7/25/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9671

15 New Messages

Digest #9671
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Cocktail maintenance utility - 50% Off today by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
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Invisible File Renameing & Get Info by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
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Mac Microsoft Word Clone What do people like? by "Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll
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Re: Mac Microsoft Word Clone What do people like? by "Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
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Re: Mac Microsoft Word Clone What do people like? by "Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll
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Re: Mac Microsoft Word Clone What do people like? by "Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll
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Re: Mac Microsoft Word Clone What do people like? by "Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger

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Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Denver Dan" denverdan22180

Howdy.

MacUpdate often runs promotional offers.

Today only the Cocktail maintenance utility is 50% off.

<https://www.macupdate.com/>

Click the Promo icon at top.

Cocktail is called a "general purpose utility" that can be used to
clean, repair, and optimize your Mac.

For group members new to Macintosh, MacUpdate is a great web site that
lists a searchable database of thousands of commercial, freeware,
shareware, nagware, postcard ware programs and updates that you can
download.

Denver Dan

Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:19 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Denver Dan" denverdan22180

Because there is an entire wide world of potential iPhone buyers out
there in countries where a minimal $199.00 USD two year contract and
monthly fees is a very expensive thing to commit to.

If you look at China's GDP (Gross Domestic Product) per capita it was
about $8,000 USD in 2011 while the USA GDP per capita the same year was
about $42,500 USD.

There may be a lot of new millionaires in China but there are a billion
people who can't afford an iPhone at current pricing but could at lower
prices.

Since significant levels of profit for smartphones comes from apps and
from ads pushed through the numbers of people using a platform are
significant.

I just read an amazing figure in HuffPost online two days ago that
there are 500,000 people in China today involved in some way in
creating apps for the iPhone. This is a very large number but in
Chinese terms. It could, however, be larger if there were more iPhones
in the hands of Chinese customers.

Denver Dan

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:04:53 -0700, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Very true, you can get an iPhone for $99 or even free, if you want to
> sign a contract and accept a older model.
>
> So, again, why would Apple need to create a new cheap iPhone model?

Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Michael, Apples does not target the masses, it targets those who want a top quality product, and don't mind paying for it.

Tony, so you want to start up the speed wars or the screen size wars, again? And most people can't see the difference in the pixel count or density. Apple has already shifted their ads to the ecosystem in the US.

What I run into mostly is users that either want OS security, or they want to be able to hack the system and write their own apps.

Brent

On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Tony wrote:

Yes. Smartphones used to be premium, super cool devices. In those days Apple ruled as it had the best smartphone by a long way.

They are fast becoming generic devices, everyone has one more or less. The iPhone is not the best phone out there, whether you look at screen density, pixel count, camera, screen size, it is not the best. It is one top end smartphone amongst others. Apple needs to stop advertising the iPhone and advertise the ecosystem.

Apples margin has declined. Actually it hasn't, what has changed is the sales mix of the current iPhone and the old models, 4 and 4S. That's a wakeup call.

As smartphones are moving to be generic, focus on the OS, that differentiation still applies

From: Michel Munger <michel@munger.ca>
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault

The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
better.

That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.

Michel

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Site: http://www.munger.ca/

Randy B. Singer said:
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
>
> > Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a
> rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase
> profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only
> available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
>
> *Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share.
> Every...Single...One.
> Any company that does not increase profits and market share has
> shareholders that will be looking for director's and officer's heads.
>
> That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products
> with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete
> on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market,
> unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
>
> Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends
> to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market
> niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance,
> Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks,
> because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage.
> But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more
> expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper
> iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle,
> Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for
> a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with
> drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap",
> and they maintained a premium profit margin.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Denver Dan" denverdan22180

Howdy.

I just learned something about invisible files and the Get Info dialog
and am sharing it.

A dot or period in the Unix system makes a file or folder invisible.

You can use Terminal to rename an invisible file and make it visible by
removing the initial period or dot.

Here's another way using Finder.

The Find command (command f) brings up a search/find dialog in a Finder
window.

In this dialog the "Kind" popup menu an have items added to it from the
"Other" list shown at bottom of the popup menu.

One of the items is File Visibility. Put a check in the check box to
promote File Visibility to the Kind popup menu for convenience.

Then you can select a folder, do a Command f to Find, and pick the File
Visibility item.

A secondary search parameter for File Visibility also appears and you
can select

Visible Items
Invisible Items
Visible or Invisible

Pick Invisible Items and the invisible icons will appear.

To remove a period or dot from an icon you can then select the
invisible file and do a Get Info command on it. In Get Info dialog use
the Name & Extension item an in the text box rename the file, or,
remove the period/dot.

The file should then become visible.

Denver Dan

Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:31 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll

Looking for opinions on which is best. Here is my research base so far:

http://voices.yahoo.com/5-free-alternatives-microsoft-word-7038118.html

http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3815575?start=0&tstart=0

http://www.pcworld.com/article/218037/microsoft_word_replacements.html

http://lifehacker.com/5867623/the-best-word-processing-app-for-windows

I want something to edit moderately complex MS-Word files in their
native format.

High end features like smart art, word art and Table of Contents and
Indexes would be nice but not necessary for all my projects.

Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger


On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Charles Carroll wrote:

> Looking for opinions on which is best.

This comes up all the time.

The OpenOffice-based siblings are closest to Word, especially if you need those advanced features.

I tested them all a few months back, and found that only NeoOffice ($5) is currently stable enough to use reliably:

http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php

However, *nothing* for the Macintosh, other than Microsoft Word itself, has all of Word's advanced features.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll

Neo will probably fit my needs for a few of my core Word documents.

I can use BootCamp for some of my advanced documents and I do most of my
new documents in the cloud with Zoho.com when they don't need extremely
advanced features.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com>wrote:

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> On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Charles Carroll wrote:
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> > Looking for opinions on which is best.
>
> This comes up all the time.
>
> The OpenOffice-based siblings are closest to Word, especially if you need
> those advanced features.
>
> I tested them all a few months back, and found that only NeoOffice ($5) is
> currently stable enough to use reliably:
>
> http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php
>
> However, *nothing* for the Macintosh, other than Microsoft Word itself,
> has all of Word's advanced features.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
>

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Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Earle Jones" earlejones501


On Jul 25, 13, at 3:42 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Charles Carroll wrote:
>
> > Looking for opinions on which is best.
>
> This comes up all the time.
>
> The OpenOffice-based siblings are closest to Word, especially if you need those advanced features.
>
> I tested them all a few months back, and found that only NeoOffice ($5) is currently stable enough to use reliably:
>
> http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php
>
> However, *nothing* for the Macintosh, other than Microsoft Word itself, has all of Word's advanced features.
>
>

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Randy: I put out a Newsletter (eight to 12 pages) monthly for the 300 residents of our retirement community. It has pictures, lots of text, tables, color and, in all modesty, it is a very nice product. We pride ourselves on the quality. Our chief editor is a perfectionist and we go through several stages of review and proofreading every month.

I use Mac "Pages" to do the layout work. I used MS Word, which is no doubt more capable with, as you say, advanced features.
What I don't like about Word is the sometimes those "advanced features" get in the way if you don't need all of them.

I am not prejudiced against MicroSoft. I prefer Excel to Mac's "Numbers."

But "Pages" does everything I ask of it.

Cheers! ...and keep up the good work,

earle
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:09 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog

This interests me because I have an old version of Office, 2007, I think. I nearly never use it but occasionally receive a Word doc that I need to open. I can open the .doc ones but not the .docx. My Office is on my old G4 and can't be used on my Mac Mini, so I have to move between the two which is a hassle. I'm trying to get software that can all be used on the Mini. Once in a blue moon I need to use Excel. Can these old Office files be opened with this NeoOffice software?

Louise

On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:42 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:

>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Charles Carroll wrote:
>
> > Looking for opinions on which is best.
>
> This comes up all the time.
>
> The OpenOffice-based siblings are closest to Word, especially if you need those advanced features.
>
> I tested them all a few months back, and found that only NeoOffice ($5) is currently stable enough to use reliably:
>
> http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php
>
> However, *nothing* for the Macintosh, other than Microsoft Word itself, has all of Word's advanced features.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>

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Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:22 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll

I spent the $10 for NeoOffice and will share my experience with group.

My experience with Pages and Numbers are decent but they seemed a
little young for me feature set.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Louise Stewart <veggie236@earthlink.net> wrote:
> This interests me because I have an old version of Office, 2007, I think. I nearly never use it but occasionally receive a Word doc that I need to open. I can open the .doc ones but not the .docx. My Office is on my old G4 and can't be used on my Mac Mini, so I have to move between the two which is a hassle. I'm trying to get software that can all be used on the Mini. Once in a blue moon I need to use Excel. Can these old Office files be opened with this NeoOffice software?
>
> Louise
>
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> On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:42 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
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>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Charles Carroll wrote:
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>> > Looking for opinions on which is best.
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>> This comes up all the time.
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>> The OpenOffice-based siblings are closest to Word, especially if you need those advanced features.
>>
>> I tested them all a few months back, and found that only NeoOffice ($5) is currently stable enough to use reliably:
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>> http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php
>>
>> However, *nothing* for the Macintosh, other than Microsoft Word itself, has all of Word's advanced features.
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>> ___________________________________________
>> Randy B. Singer
>> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>>
>> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
>> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
>> ___________________________________________
>>
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger


On Jul 25, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Earle Jones wrote:

> I use Mac "Pages" to do the layout work. I used MS Word, which is no doubt more capable with, as you say, advanced features.
> What I don't like about Word is the sometimes those "advanced features" get in the way if you don't need all of them.
>
> I am not prejudiced against MicroSoft. I prefer Excel to Mac's "Numbers."
>
> But "Pages" does everything I ask of it.

Pages is indeed a wonderful program. But the original poster stated that he needed compatibility with some of Word's more advanced features, and with some Word documents with those features. That isn't Page's strong suit.

By way of comparison, I am the head of a Mac user group for attorneys. Over 9,000 of them. Many of these folks would love to be using anything other than Word...but they can't. Only Word, for the Mac, has all of the advanced features that an attorney needs, such as document comparison, tables of authorities, collaboration, etc.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll

so I am reading this from cover to cover.

http://it-ebooks.info/book/877/
Mac OSX The Missing Manual

and perusing Randy's excellent site and advice.

WHAT FAVORITE BOOKS AND SITES DO PEOPLE RECOMMEND?

I want to become a power user (including scripting) and support my
Mom, Dad, Kids (and eventually grandkids) and nieces/nephews and BFFs
the way I have supported them in Windows so I am trying to survey all
the possibilities like I did in DOS 1-9, Windows 1.x - 7.0. Basically
know every trick in the book.

I will replace my families computers with brand new Macs running OSX
and Parallels/BootCamp over the next few years. They will count on me
to help them backup, choose programs, etc. so I am reading everything
I can to get prepared and using the heck out of mine.

I LOVE TO READ BLOGS, BOOKS AND DOWNLOAD UTILITIES AND EXPLORE! Let me
know what YOUR faves are so I can quench my thirst...

Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz

Ditto for me

From: Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com>
To: "macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com" <macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 12:47 PM
Subject: [macsupport] After 2 years of using the MacBook Retina Pro I wanted to know more

 
so I am reading this from cover to cover.

http://it-ebooks.info/book/877/
Mac OSX The Missing Manual

and perusing Randy's excellent site and advice.

WHAT FAVORITE BOOKS AND SITES DO PEOPLE RECOMMEND?

I want to become a power user (including scripting) and support my
Mom, Dad, Kids (and eventually grandkids) and nieces/nephews and BFFs
the way I have supported them in Windows so I am trying to survey all
the possibilities like I did in DOS 1-9, Windows 1.x - 7.0. Basically
know every trick in the book.

I will replace my families computers with brand new Macs running OSX
and Parallels/BootCamp over the next few years. They will count on me
to help them backup, choose programs, etc. so I am reading everything
I can to get prepared and using the heck out of mine.

I LOVE TO READ BLOGS, BOOKS AND DOWNLOAD UTILITIES AND EXPLORE! Let me
know what YOUR faves are so I can quench my thirst...

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Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Pat Taylor" pat412255

I find the Missing Manual very helpful. On Randy Singer's suggestion, I signed up for tutorials at lynda.com a couple of years ago & have learned a lot there. I just finished a course on Mountain Lion Tips & Tricks that provided some very useful information for me. I've taken courses on various of the Apple supplied applications as well as the Microsoft Office suite, iPad & iPhone. There is a $25 per month subscription fee for the service.

On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com> wrote:

> so I am reading this from cover to cover.
>
> http://it-ebooks.info/book/877/
> Mac OSX The Missing Manual
>
> and perusing Randy's excellent site and advice.
>
> WHAT FAVORITE BOOKS AND SITES DO PEOPLE RECOMMEND?
>
> I want to become a power user (including scripting) and support my
> Mom, Dad, Kids (and eventually grandkids) and nieces/nephews and BFFs
> the way I have supported them in Windows so I am trying to survey all
> the possibilities like I did in DOS 1-9, Windows 1.x - 7.0. Basically
> know every trick in the book.
>
> I will replace my families computers with brand new Macs running OSX
> and Parallels/BootCamp over the next few years. They will count on me
> to help them backup, choose programs, etc. so I am reading everything
> I can to get prepared and using the heck out of mine.
>
> I LOVE TO READ BLOGS, BOOKS AND DOWNLOAD UTILITIES AND EXPLORE! Let me
> know what YOUR faves are so I can quench my thirst...
>

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Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll

Thanks for the tip Pat!

Thanks for the commensurate Tony!

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Pat Taylor <pat412@mac.com> wrote:
> I find the Missing Manual very helpful. On Randy Singer's suggestion, I signed up for tutorials at lynda.com a couple of years ago & have learned a lot there. I just finished a course on Mountain Lion Tips & Tricks that provided some very useful information for me. I've taken courses on various of the Apple supplied applications as well as the Microsoft Office suite, iPad & iPhone. There is a $25 per month subscription fee for the service.
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com> wrote:
>
>> so I am reading this from cover to cover.
>>
>> http://it-ebooks.info/book/877/
>> Mac OSX The Missing Manual
>>
>> and perusing Randy's excellent site and advice.
>>
>> WHAT FAVORITE BOOKS AND SITES DO PEOPLE RECOMMEND?
>>
>> I want to become a power user (including scripting) and support my
>> Mom, Dad, Kids (and eventually grandkids) and nieces/nephews and BFFs
>> the way I have supported them in Windows so I am trying to survey all
>> the possibilities like I did in DOS 1-9, Windows 1.x - 7.0. Basically
>> know every trick in the book.
>>
>> I will replace my families computers with brand new Macs running OSX
>> and Parallels/BootCamp over the next few years. They will count on me
>> to help them backup, choose programs, etc. so I am reading everything
>> I can to get prepared and using the heck out of mine.
>>
>> I LOVE TO READ BLOGS, BOOKS AND DOWNLOAD UTILITIES AND EXPLORE! Let me
>> know what YOUR faves are so I can quench my thirst...
>>
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