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Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:17 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog
Thanks. I should just buy the new version you link below. It would simplify things and I need simple. :-)
On Jul 26, 2013, at 1:40 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Louise Stewart wrote:
>
> > This interests me because I have an old version of Office, 2007, I think. I nearly never use it but occasionally receive a Word doc that I need to open. I can open the .doc ones but not the .docx. My Office is on my old G4 and can't be used on my Mac Mini, so I have to move between the two which is a hassle. I'm trying to get software that can all be used on the Mini. Once in a blue moon I need to use Excel. Can these old Office files be opened with this NeoOffice software?
>
> For the Macintosh, there was Office 2004, 2008 and 2011. You must have Office 2004, because Office 2008 and 2011 can both natively handle the newer XML-based file formats.
>
> You can open the newer XML-based file formats with your older version of Office using this free translator from Microsoft:
>
> Open XML File Format Converter (free)
> http://is.gd/0HsbnG
>
> All of the OpenOffice-based siblings (NeoOffice, Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc.) can also open Microsoft's XML-based file formats.
>
> By the way, you can get a brand new copy of Microsoft Office cheaper than you might think.
>
> Office for Mac Home and Student 2011 (Download)
> $89
> http://www.softwarespeedy.com/office-for-mac-home-and-student-2011-download/
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
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On Jul 26, 2013, at 1:40 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Louise Stewart wrote:
>
> > This interests me because I have an old version of Office, 2007, I think. I nearly never use it but occasionally receive a Word doc that I need to open. I can open the .doc ones but not the .docx. My Office is on my old G4 and can't be used on my Mac Mini, so I have to move between the two which is a hassle. I'm trying to get software that can all be used on the Mini. Once in a blue moon I need to use Excel. Can these old Office files be opened with this NeoOffice software?
>
> For the Macintosh, there was Office 2004, 2008 and 2011. You must have Office 2004, because Office 2008 and 2011 can both natively handle the newer XML-based file formats.
>
> You can open the newer XML-based file formats with your older version of Office using this free translator from Microsoft:
>
> Open XML File Format Converter (free)
> http://is.gd/
>
> All of the OpenOffice-based siblings (NeoOffice, Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc.) can also open Microsoft'
>
> By the way, you can get a brand new copy of Microsoft Office cheaper than you might think.
>
> Office for Mac Home and Student 2011 (Download)
> $89
> http://www.software
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
> ____________
>
>
Pet portrait are always great gifts. See samples at https://www.
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:47 am (PDT) . Posted by:
cheeky_chas
My son's computer is almost three years old, he uses it in Mac and Windows via Boot Camp.
It is now saying no bootable device which I understand is a bootcamp/windows problem.
However, we cannot get it to start up in any useful form by using any of the usual keyboard combinations. The furthest we can get is that it is looks on the internet for help and then shows a picture of apple support and a code -2003F.
We have tried all we can think of, has anyone other ideas before we think of taking this to a genius at an Apple store.
Thank you.
Charles.
It is now saying no bootable device which I understand is a bootcamp/windows problem.
However, we cannot get it to start up in any useful form by using any of the usual keyboard combinations. The furthest we can get is that it is looks on the internet for help and then shows a picture of apple support and a code -2003F.
We have tried all we can think of, has anyone other ideas before we think of taking this to a genius at an Apple store.
Thank you.
Charles.
Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
I am unsure what keyboard options you tried, did you hold Option to get the Startup Manager? I feel that either the Mac or OSX is corrupt, or boot header if Mac uses this, or more likely the hard drive has failed. Using Startup manager you can at least see if he hard disk is visible.
From: "ck368@me.com" <ck368@me.com>
To: "macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com " <macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013 2:47 AM
Subject: [macsupport] MacBookPro will not start
My son's computer is almost three years old, he uses it in Mac and Windows via Boot Camp..
It is now saying no bootable device which I understand is a bootcamp/windows problem.
However, we cannot get it to start up in any useful form by using any of the usual keyboard combinations. The furthest we can get is that it is looks on the internet for help and then shows a picture of apple support and a code -2003F.
We have tried all we can think of, has anyone other ideas before we think of taking this to a genius at an Apple store.
Thank you.
Charles.
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From: "ck368@me.com" <ck368@me.com>
To: "macsupportcentral@
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013 2:47 AM
Subject: [macsupport] MacBookPro will not start
My son's computer is almost three years old, he uses it in Mac and Windows via Boot Camp..
It is now saying no bootable device which I understand is a bootcamp/windows problem.
However, we cannot get it to start up in any useful form by using any of the usual keyboard combinations. The furthest we can get is that it is looks on the internet for help and then shows a picture of apple support and a code -2003F.
We have tried all we can think of, has anyone other ideas before we think of taking this to a genius at an Apple store.
Thank you.
Charles.
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:33 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
It helps to know what model MacBook Pro it is.
It helps to know what version of Mac OS X it is running.
If it is running Mac OS X 10.7 Lion or 10.8 Mountain Lion have you
tried booting it in Recovery partition/mode?
If you have a Mac OS X system book DVD or flash/thumb drive, have you
tried booting from that?
What are the "usual keyboard combinations" that you have tried?
If you press the Option key during boot, are you presented with icons
for each of the bootable systems available?
Have you tried the DOCS boot command key combo? Boot and press Delete
Option Command Shift which instructs Mac to boot from any other
available system.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:47:00 +0100, ck368@me.com wrote:
> My son's computer is almost three years old, he uses it in Mac and
> Windows via Boot Camp.
>
> It is now saying no bootable device which I understand is a
> bootcamp/windows problem.
>
> However, we cannot get it to start up in any useful form by using
> any of the usual keyboard combinations. The furthest we can get is
> that it is looks on the internet for help and then shows a picture of
> apple support and a code -2003F.
>
> We have tried all we can think of, has anyone other ideas before we
> think of taking this to a genius at an Apple store.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Charles.
It helps to know what model MacBook Pro it is.
It helps to know what version of Mac OS X it is running.
If it is running Mac OS X 10.7 Lion or 10.8 Mountain Lion have you
tried booting it in Recovery partition/mode?
If you have a Mac OS X system book DVD or flash/thumb drive, have you
tried booting from that?
What are the "usual keyboard combinations" that you have tried?
If you press the Option key during boot, are you presented with icons
for each of the bootable systems available?
Have you tried the DOCS boot command key combo? Boot and press Delete
Option Command Shift which instructs Mac to boot from any other
available system.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:47:00 +0100, ck368@me.com wrote:
> My son's computer is almost three years old, he uses it in Mac and
> Windows via Boot Camp.
>
> It is now saying no bootable device which I understand is a
> bootcamp/windows problem.
>
> However, we cannot get it to start up in any useful form by using
> any of the usual keyboard combinations. The furthest we can get is
> that it is looks on the internet for help and then shows a picture of
> apple support and a code -2003F.
>
> We have tried all we can think of, has anyone other ideas before we
> think of taking this to a genius at an Apple store.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Charles.
Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Hi, Tony.
I am a long time Apple user, but I have also used Windows PCs and Android tables for work. I loved my Palm Treo. I prefer Apple products, but I can use most. Competition and and variety of platforms enriches us all. My suggestions to use the one you are comfortable with and satisfies your needs. One size has never fit all... well.
My last comment in the prior post was in relations to Apple vs Android preferences, and you hit in on the head with your reply.
Apple is currently advertising that good feelings when using an iPhone, in the US. No specs, no direct reference to features, just good feelings.
Brent
On Jul 26, 2013, at 1:24 AM, Tony wrote:
Hi Brent
I am not a long time Apple user, so bear with me. My first experience was my iPhone 4. 4S, then 5. Add to that my Apple TV3. My iMac. And we ha ve two iPhones and iPads. Two of my three daughters now have an iPhone, the third will next release. So while I am free to criticise Apple, which is fair, same applies to other platforms. None of them are perfect. None of them.
Speed wars.
Apple used to win them, not any more. Not that this matters as Apples SoC is superior, so there is no need to go for a 1.9GHZ quad as others are heading towards. I don't recall mentioning or implying speed in my post
Density Wars
Screen wars do matter, at least as far as the general user wants. 4.5 seems to be the minimum for a smartphone these days. I fully agree that density is a marketing ploy, once you get past eye capabililty, density is of no consequence.
I've not seen any Apple ads Down Under that ignore the iPhone and focus on the ecosystem, if that's where its going, yay. There is no gain in pushing the iPhone as its just another top end phone, no more. Its not special. Its just a good phone, like others.
I don't follow the last comment. I say that genuinely. Apple users can jailbreak, Androiders can root, not that many do at all. And the instances of malware/viruses on the average Android user is quite minimal.
I do see where you are coming from, but the average user, Apple, or possibly soon to be Apple, doesn't. Like me, they don't., but they will if they go Apple, they will see the restrictions and the benefits. Once they are a user and learn. That's why advertising the iPhone is a waste, advertise the ecosystem.
From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
Michael, Apples does not target the masses, it targets those who want a top quality product, and don't mind paying for it.
Tony, so you want to start up the speed wars or the screen size wars, again? And most people can't see the difference in the pixel count or density. Apple has already shifted their ads to the ecosystem in the US.
What I run into mostly is users that either want OS security, or they want to be able to hack the system and write their own apps.
Brent
On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Tony wrote:
Yes. Smartphones used to be premium, super cool devices. In those days Apple ruled as it had the best smartphone by a long way..
They are fast becoming generic devices, everyone has one more or less. The iPhone is not the best phone out there, whether you look at screen density, pixel count, camera, screen size, it is not the best. It is one top end smartphone amongst others. Apple needs to stop advertising the iPhone and advertise the ecosystem.
Apples margin has declined. Actually it hasn't, what has changed is the sales mix of the current iPhone and the old models, 4 and 4S. That's a wakeup call.
As smartphones are moving to be generic, focus on the OS, that differentiation still applies
From: Michel Munger <michel@munger.ca >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
better.
That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
Michel
--
Site: http://www.munger.ca/
Randy B. Singer said:
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
>
> > Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a
> rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase
> profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only
> available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
>
> *Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share.
> Every...Single...One.
> Any company that does not increase profits and market share has
> shareholders that will be looking for director's and officer's heads.
>
> That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products
> with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete
> on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market,
> unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
>
> Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends
> to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market
> niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance,
> Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks,
> because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage.
> But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more
> expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper
> iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle,
> Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for
> a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with
> drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap",
> and they maintained a premium profit margin.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
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I am a long time Apple user, but I have also used Windows PCs and Android tables for work. I loved my Palm Treo. I prefer Apple products, but I can use most. Competition and and variety of platforms enriches us all. My suggestions to use the one you are comfortable with and satisfies your needs. One size has never fit all... well.
My last comment in the prior post was in relations to Apple vs Android preferences, and you hit in on the head with your reply.
Apple is currently advertising that good feelings when using an iPhone, in the US. No specs, no direct reference to features, just good feelings.
Brent
On Jul 26, 2013, at 1:24 AM, Tony wrote:
Hi Brent
I am not a long time Apple user, so bear with me. My first experience was my iPhone 4. 4S, then 5. Add to that my Apple TV3. My iMac. And we ha ve two iPhones and iPads. Two of my three daughters now have an iPhone, the third will next release. So while I am free to criticise Apple, which is fair, same applies to other platforms. None of them are perfect. None of them.
Speed wars.
Apple used to win them, not any more. Not that this matters as Apples SoC is superior, so there is no need to go for a 1.9GHZ quad as others are heading towards. I don't recall mentioning or implying speed in my post
Density Wars
Screen wars do matter, at least as far as the general user wants. 4.5 seems to be the minimum for a smartphone these days. I fully agree that density is a marketing ploy, once you get past eye capabililty, density is of no consequence.
I've not seen any Apple ads Down Under that ignore the iPhone and focus on the ecosystem, if that's where its going, yay. There is no gain in pushing the iPhone as its just another top end phone, no more. Its not special. Its just a good phone, like others.
I don't follow the last comment. I say that genuinely. Apple users can jailbreak, Androiders can root, not that many do at all. And the instances of malware/viruses on the average Android user is quite minimal.
I do see where you are coming from, but the average user, Apple, or possibly soon to be Apple, doesn't. Like me, they don't., but they will if they go Apple, they will see the restrictions and the benefits. Once they are a user and learn. That's why advertising the iPhone is a waste, advertise the ecosystem.
From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
Michael, Apples does not target the masses, it targets those who want a top quality product, and don't mind paying for it.
Tony, so you want to start up the speed wars or the screen size wars, again? And most people can't see the difference in the pixel count or density. Apple has already shifted their ads to the ecosystem in the US.
What I run into mostly is users that either want OS security, or they want to be able to hack the system and write their own apps.
Brent
On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Tony wrote:
Yes. Smartphones used to be premium, super cool devices. In those days Apple ruled as it had the best smartphone by a long way..
They are fast becoming generic devices, everyone has one more or less. The iPhone is not the best phone out there, whether you look at screen density, pixel count, camera, screen size, it is not the best. It is one top end smartphone amongst others. Apple needs to stop advertising the iPhone and advertise the ecosystem.
Apples margin has declined. Actually it hasn't, what has changed is the sales mix of the current iPhone and the old models, 4 and 4S. That's a wakeup call.
As smartphones are moving to be generic, focus on the OS, that differentiation still applies
From: Michel Munger <michel@munger.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
better.
That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
Michel
--
Site: http://www.munger.
Randy B. Singer said:
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
>
> > Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a
> rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase
> profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only
> available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
>
> *Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share.
> Every...Single.
> Any company that does not increase profits and market share has
> shareholders that will be looking for director'
>
> That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products
> with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete
> on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market,
> unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
>
> Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends
> to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market
> niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance,
> Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks,
> because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage.
> But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more
> expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper
> iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle,
> Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for
> a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with
> drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap"
> and they maintained a premium profit margin.
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
> ____________
>
>
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:27 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
Good feelings in the ads, that's great. Others have to advertise the model xyz and model 123 as that's all they an offer. Apple can advertise the brand as they have an iconic brand, great to hear .
While I do have a few niggles Apple does tick many more boxes for me, and the key ones ( apart from screen envy off course!! :-). )
Sent from my iPhone 5
On 27/07/2013, at 12:50 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> Hi, Tony.
>
> I am a long time Apple user, but I have also used Windows PCs and Android tables for work. I loved my Palm Treo. I prefer Apple products, but I can use most. Competition and and variety of platforms enriches us all. My suggestions to use the one you are comfortable with and satisfies your needs. One size has never fit all... well.
>
> My last comment in the prior post was in relations to Apple vs Android preferences, and you hit in on the head with your reply.
>
> Apple is currently advertising that good feelings when using an iPhone, in the US. No specs, no direct reference to features, just good feelings.
>
> Brent
>
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 1:24 AM, Tony wrote:
>
> Hi Brent
>
> I am not a long time Apple user, so bear with me. My first experience was my iPhone 4. 4S, then 5. Add to that my Apple TV3. My iMac. And we ha ve two iPhones and iPads. Two of my three daughters now have an iPhone, the third will next release. So while I am free to criticise Apple, which is fair, same applies to other platforms. None of them are perfect. None of them.
>
> Speed wars.
>
> Apple used to win them, not any more. Not that this matters as Apples SoC is superior, so there is no need to go for a 1.9GHZ quad as others are heading towards. I don't recall mentioning or implying speed in my post
>
> Density Wars
>
> Screen wars do matter, at least as far as the general user wants. 4.5 seems to be the minimum for a smartphone these days. I fully agree that density is a marketing ploy, once you get past eye capabililty, density is of no consequence.
>
> I've not seen any Apple ads Down Under that ignore the iPhone and focus on the ecosystem, if that's where its going, yay. There is no gain in pushing the iPhone as its just another top end phone, no more. Its not special. Its just a good phone, like others.
>
> I don't follow the last comment. I say that genuinely. Apple users can jailbreak, Androiders can root, not that many do at all. And the instances of malware/viruses on the average Android user is quite minimal.
>
> I do see where you are coming from, but the average user, Apple, or possibly soon to be Apple, doesn't. Like me, they don't., but they will if they go Apple, they will see the restrictions and the benefits. Once they are a user and learn. That's why advertising the iPhone is a waste, advertise the ecosystem.
>
>
>
>
> From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net >
> To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
>
> Michael, Apples does not target the masses, it targets those who want a top quality product, and don't mind paying for it.
>
> Tony, so you want to start up the speed wars or the screen size wars, again? And most people can't see the difference in the pixel count or density. Apple has already shifted their ads to the ecosystem in the US.
>
> What I run into mostly is users that either want OS security, or they want to be able to hack the system and write their own apps.
>
> Brent
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Tony wrote:
>
> Yes. Smartphones used to be premium, super cool devices. In those days Apple ruled as it had the best smartphone by a long way..
>
> They are fast becoming generic devices, everyone has one more or less. The iPhone is not the best phone out there, whether you look at screen density, pixel count, camera, screen size, it is not the best. It is one top end smartphone amongst others. Apple needs to stop advertising the iPhone and advertise the ecosystem.
>
> Apples margin has declined. Actually it hasn't, what has changed is the sales mix of the current iPhone and the old models, 4 and 4S. That's a wakeup call.
>
> As smartphones are moving to be generic, focus on the OS, that differentiation still applies
>
> From: Michel Munger <michel@munger.ca >
> To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
>
> The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
> China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
> better.
>
> That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
>
> Michel
>
> --
> Site: http://www.munger.ca/
>
> Randy B. Singer said:
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a
>> rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase
>> profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only
>> available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
>>
>> *Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share.
>> Every...Single...One.
>> Any company that does not increase profits and market share has
>> shareholders that will be looking for director's and officer's heads.
>>
>> That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products
>> with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete
>> on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market,
>> unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
>>
>> Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends
>> to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market
>> niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance,
>> Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks,
>> because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage.
>> But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more
>> expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper
>> iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle,
>> Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for
>> a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with
>> drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap",
>> and they maintained a premium profit margin.
>>
>> ___________________________________________
>> Randy B. Singer
>> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>>
>> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
>> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
>> ___________________________________________
>
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While I do have a few niggles Apple does tick many more boxes for me, and the key ones ( apart from screen envy off course!! :-). )
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On 27/07/2013, at 12:50 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.
> Hi, Tony.
>
> I am a long time Apple user, but I have also used Windows PCs and Android tables for work. I loved my Palm Treo. I prefer Apple products, but I can use most. Competition and and variety of platforms enriches us all. My suggestions to use the one you are comfortable with and satisfies your needs. One size has never fit all... well.
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> My last comment in the prior post was in relations to Apple vs Android preferences, and you hit in on the head with your reply.
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> Apple is currently advertising that good feelings when using an iPhone, in the US. No specs, no direct reference to features, just good feelings.
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> Brent
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> On Jul 26, 2013, at 1:24 AM, Tony wrote:
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> Hi Brent
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> I am not a long time Apple user, so bear with me. My first experience was my iPhone 4. 4S, then 5. Add to that my Apple TV3. My iMac. And we ha ve two iPhones and iPads. Two of my three daughters now have an iPhone, the third will next release. So while I am free to criticise Apple, which is fair, same applies to other platforms. None of them are perfect. None of them.
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> Speed wars.
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> Apple used to win them, not any more. Not that this matters as Apples SoC is superior, so there is no need to go for a 1.9GHZ quad as others are heading towards. I don't recall mentioning or implying speed in my post
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> Density Wars
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> Screen wars do matter, at least as far as the general user wants. 4.5 seems to be the minimum for a smartphone these days. I fully agree that density is a marketing ploy, once you get past eye capabililty, density is of no consequence.
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> I've not seen any Apple ads Down Under that ignore the iPhone and focus on the ecosystem, if that's where its going, yay. There is no gain in pushing the iPhone as its just another top end phone, no more. Its not special. Its just a good phone, like others.
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> I don't follow the last comment. I say that genuinely. Apple users can jailbreak, Androiders can root, not that many do at all. And the instances of malware/viruses on the average Android user is quite minimal.
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> I do see where you are coming from, but the average user, Apple, or possibly soon to be Apple, doesn't. Like me, they don't., but they will if they go Apple, they will see the restrictions and the benefits. Once they are a user and learn. That's why advertising the iPhone is a waste, advertise the ecosystem.
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> From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> To: macsupportcentral@
> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
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> Michael, Apples does not target the masses, it targets those who want a top quality product, and don't mind paying for it.
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> Tony, so you want to start up the speed wars or the screen size wars, again? And most people can't see the difference in the pixel count or density. Apple has already shifted their ads to the ecosystem in the US.
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> What I run into mostly is users that either want OS security, or they want to be able to hack the system and write their own apps.
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> Brent
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> On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Tony wrote:
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> Yes. Smartphones used to be premium, super cool devices. In those days Apple ruled as it had the best smartphone by a long way..
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> They are fast becoming generic devices, everyone has one more or less. The iPhone is not the best phone out there, whether you look at screen density, pixel count, camera, screen size, it is not the best. It is one top end smartphone amongst others. Apple needs to stop advertising the iPhone and advertise the ecosystem.
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> Apples margin has declined. Actually it hasn't, what has changed is the sales mix of the current iPhone and the old models, 4 and 4S. That's a wakeup call.
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> As smartphones are moving to be generic, focus on the OS, that differentiation still applies
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> From: Michel Munger <michel@munger.
> To: macsupportcentral@
> Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
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> The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
> China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
> better.
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> That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
>
> Michel
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> --
> Site: http://www.munger.
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> Randy B. Singer said:
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
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>>> Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a
>> rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase
>> profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only
>> available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
>>
>> *Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share.
>> Every...Single.
>> Any company that does not increase profits and market share has
>> shareholders that will be looking for director'
>>
>> That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products
>> with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete
>> on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market,
>> unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
>>
>> Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends
>> to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market
>> niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance,
>> Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks,
>> because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage.
>> But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more
>> expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper
>> iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle,
>> Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for
>> a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with
>> drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap"
>> and they maintained a premium profit margin.
>>
>> ____________
>> Randy B. Singer
>> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>>
>> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
>> http://www.macattor
>> ____________
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