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Re: Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault by "Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:43 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Katrin" kaekka
Ken,
did you change your password? I've had a similar problem, Apple TV couldn't connect to my WLAN anymore. I had changed my password, the new one using some special characters to make it safer. Apple TV could not handle one of them (I think it was the §-sign). All other devices, even my older ones like Time Capsule, Airport Express, iMac could though. This was a while and some updates ago, so maybe this problem doesn't even exist anymore.
Katrin
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Kenneth Silva <avlisk@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I can access both Google and YouTube on the computer. I just can't access YouTube search on my AppleTV. It doesn't like my choice of passwords.
> Ken S.
>
>
did you change your password? I've had a similar problem, Apple TV couldn't connect to my WLAN anymore. I had changed my password, the new one using some special characters to make it safer. Apple TV could not handle one of them (I think it was the §-sign). All other devices, even my older ones like Time Capsule, Airport Express, iMac could though. This was a while and some updates ago, so maybe this problem doesn't even exist anymore.
Katrin
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Yes, I can access both Google and YouTube on the computer. I just can't access YouTube search on my AppleTV. It doesn't like my choice of passwords.
> Ken S.
>
>
Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
If I could figure that I would be rich.
And has Apple actually said they are planning on making a cheap iPhone. Yeah, there are tons on articles on it, but has Apple said they were? I don't remember, and I am not going to watch the last keynote again.
If Apple didn't say it, it is rumor and I don't believe rumors.
Brent
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Tony wrote:
I don't disagree but if that is the case, why is apple supposedly looking at a cheaper iPhone ?
Sent from my iPhone 5 
On 24/07/2013, at 6:03 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> Yes, and selling lots of units at tiny profits does not add up to lots of big bucks in the end. The reason Apple is successful in that it does not use the same poor business plan that all the rest do. It is not looking for short term profits or give a hoot about market share.
>
> Attack from low-end smartphone competition.
>
> Have you noticed that all of the versions of iPhone are basically the same, where as other cell phone brands have numerous models with many different features and feature sets.
>
> If price was important, why has there not been a successful cheap knock off? The iPhone has been out for 6 years now, you'd thing if it were all about price, that someone would have come out with a cheap knock off in that time, that would sell well, let alone come near to the number of units Apple has sold.
>
> Other companies wish they had Apple's recent worst quarters profits.
>
> On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
>
> It takes profit to fund all that's necessary to make the best products.
>
> Sent from my iPad...î…
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And has Apple actually said they are planning on making a cheap iPhone. Yeah, there are tons on articles on it, but has Apple said they were? I don't remember, and I am not going to watch the last keynote again.
If Apple didn't say it, it is rumor and I don't believe rumors.
Brent
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Tony wrote:
I don't disagree but if that is the case, why is apple supposedly looking at a cheaper iPhone ?
Sent from my iPhone 5 
On 24/07/2013, at 6:03 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.
> Yes, and selling lots of units at tiny profits does not add up to lots of big bucks in the end. The reason Apple is successful in that it does not use the same poor business plan that all the rest do. It is not looking for short term profits or give a hoot about market share.
>
> Attack from low-end smartphone competition.
>
> Have you noticed that all of the versions of iPhone are basically the same, where as other cell phone brands have numerous models with many different features and feature sets.
>
> If price was important, why has there not been a successful cheap knock off? The iPhone has been out for 6 years now, you'd thing if it were all about price, that someone would have come out with a cheap knock off in that time, that would sell well, let alone come near to the number of units Apple has sold.
>
> Other companies wish they had Apple's recent worst quarters profits.
>
> On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
>
> It takes profit to fund all that's necessary to make the best products.
>
> Sent from my iPad...î…
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Very true, you can get an iPhone for $99 or even free, if you want to sign a contract and accept a older model.
So, again, why would Apple need to create a new cheap iPhone model?
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:11 AM, John Masters wrote:
Apple already sells a cheap iPhone. http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/?newsid=3460430&olo=rss
John Masters
johnmasters@me.com
On 24 Jul 2013, at 09:05, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz > wrote:
> I don't disagree but if that is the case, why is apple supposedly looking at a cheaper iPhone ?
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So, again, why would Apple need to create a new cheap iPhone model?
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:11 AM, John Masters wrote:
Apple already sells a cheap iPhone. http://www.macworld
John Masters
johnmasters@
On 24 Jul 2013, at 09:05, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.
> I don't disagree but if that is the case, why is apple supposedly looking at a cheaper iPhone ?
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:10 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Apple seldom follows conventional wisdumb. So why would they start now?
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:21 AM, Tony wrote:
They do as in past models. But as I said, why would apple be looking at lower priced new models? Assuming the rumour mill is correct
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On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:21 AM, Tony wrote:
They do as in past models. But as I said, why would apple be looking at lower priced new models? Assuming the rumour mill is correct
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
If I could figure that I would be rich.
And has Apple actually said they are planning on making a cheap iPhone. Yeah, there are tons on articles on it, but has Apple said they were? I don't remember, and I am not going to watch the last keynote again.
If Apple didn't say it, it is rumor and I don't believe rumors.
Brent
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Tony wrote:
I don't disagree but if that is the case, why is apple supposedly looking at a cheaper iPhone ?
Sent from my iPhone 5 
On 24/07/2013, at 6:03 PM, "N.A. Nada" <mailto:whodo678%40comcast.net> wrote:
> Yes, and selling lots of units at tiny profits does not add up to lots of big bucks in the end. The reason Apple is successful in that it does not use the same poor business plan that all the rest do. It is not looking for short term profits or give a hoot about market share.
>
> Attack from low-end smartphone competition.
>
> Have you noticed that all of the versions of iPhone are basically the same, where as other cell phone brands have numerous models with many different features and feature sets.
>
> If price was important, why has there not been a successful cheap knock off? The iPhone has been out for 6 years now, you'd thing if it were all about price, that someone would have come out with a cheap knock off in that time, that would sell well, let alone come near to the number of units Apple has sold.
>
> Other companies wish they had Apple's recent worst quarters profits.
>
> On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
>
> It takes profit to fund all that's necessary to make the best products.
>
> Sent from my iPad...î…
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
If I could figure that I would be rich.
And has Apple actually said they are planning on making a cheap iPhone. Yeah, there are tons on articles on it, but has Apple said they were? I don't remember, and I am not going to watch the last keynote again.
If Apple didn't say it, it is rumor and I don't believe rumors.
Brent
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Tony wrote:
I don't disagree but if that is the case, why is apple supposedly looking at a cheaper iPhone ?
Sent from my iPhone 5 
On 24/07/2013, at 6:03 PM, "N.A. Nada" <mailto:whodo678
> Yes, and selling lots of units at tiny profits does not add up to lots of big bucks in the end. The reason Apple is successful in that it does not use the same poor business plan that all the rest do. It is not looking for short term profits or give a hoot about market share.
>
> Attack from low-end smartphone competition.
>
> Have you noticed that all of the versions of iPhone are basically the same, where as other cell phone brands have numerous models with many different features and feature sets.
>
> If price was important, why has there not been a successful cheap knock off? The iPhone has been out for 6 years now, you'd thing if it were all about price, that someone would have come out with a cheap knock off in that time, that would sell well, let alone come near to the number of units Apple has sold.
>
> Other companies wish they had Apple's recent worst quarters profits.
>
> On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
>
> It takes profit to fund all that's necessary to make the best products.
>
> Sent from my iPad...î…
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:43 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
> Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
*Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share. Every...Single.
Any company that does not increase profits and market share has shareholders that will be looking for director'
That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market, unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance, Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks, because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage. But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle, Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap"
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:39 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Michel Munger" mmungermtl
The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
better.
That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
Michel
--
Site: http://www.munger.ca/
Randy B. Singer said:
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
>
> > Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a
> rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase
> profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only
> available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
>
> *Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share.
> Every...Single...One.
> Any company that does not increase profits and market share has
> shareholders that will be looking for director's and officer's heads.
>
> That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products
> with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete
> on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market,
> unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
>
> Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends
> to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market
> niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance,
> Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks,
> because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage.
> But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more
> expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper
> iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle,
> Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for
> a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with
> drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap",
> and they maintained a premium profit margin.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
better.
That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
Michel
--
Site: http://www.munger.
Randy B. Singer said:
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
>
> > Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a
> rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase
> profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only
> available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
>
> *Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share.
> Every...Single.
> Any company that does not increase profits and market share has
> shareholders that will be looking for director'
>
> That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products
> with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete
> on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market,
> unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
>
> Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends
> to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market
> niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance,
> Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks,
> because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage.
> But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more
> expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper
> iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle,
> Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for
> a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with
> drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap"
> and they maintained a premium profit margin.
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
> ____________
>
>
Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:16 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
Hi,
Apples design process has never focussed on cost. Whenever they decide
to make a new product, they always decide on what the scope of that
project is, and if it fills a niche not covered by their current
products, and if the new production would fit into their line without
fragmenting it. Then they design and build as good a product as they
can, to fit, and then at the end see what it needs to cost.
The quality of Apple products is their main discerning feature, and
personally I simply do not see them designing a cheap iPhone, simply for
cheapness sake. Its just not the way Apple does things. Also, how would
you make an iPhone cheaper ? its not like the mac mini, which is cheaper
than an iMac because it does not come with its own screen, keyboard etc.
What could be changed on an iPhone to make it cheaper, without making
the user experience worse, which they wouldn't do. Smaller screen ? No,
not for me... I'm not saying they won't find some way to take advantage
of these markets, but I would bet in a way no one is predicting.
Chris
On 25/07/13 12:39, Michel Munger wrote:
> The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
> China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
> better.
>
> That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
>
> Michel
>
Apples design process has never focussed on cost. Whenever they decide
to make a new product, they always decide on what the scope of that
project is, and if it fills a niche not covered by their current
products, and if the new production would fit into their line without
fragmenting it. Then they design and build as good a product as they
can, to fit, and then at the end see what it needs to cost.
The quality of Apple products is their main discerning feature, and
personally I simply do not see them designing a cheap iPhone, simply for
cheapness sake. Its just not the way Apple does things. Also, how would
you make an iPhone cheaper ? its not like the mac mini, which is cheaper
than an iMac because it does not come with its own screen, keyboard etc.
What could be changed on an iPhone to make it cheaper, without making
the user experience worse, which they wouldn't do. Smaller screen ? No,
not for me... I'm not saying they won't find some way to take advantage
of these markets, but I would bet in a way no one is predicting.
Chris
On 25/07/13 12:39, Michel Munger wrote:
> The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
> China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
> better.
>
> That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
>
> Michel
>
Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:24 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
Yes. Smartphones used to be premium, super cool devices. In those days Apple ruled as it had the best smartphone by a long way.
They are fast becoming generic devices, everyone has one more or less. The iPhone is not the best phone out there, whether you look at screen density, pixel count, camera, screen size, it is not the best. It is one top end smartphone amongst others. Apple needs to stop advertising the iPhone and advertise the ecosystem.
Apples margin has declined. Actually it hasn't, what has changed is the sales mix of the current iPhone and the old models, 4 and 4S. That's a wakeup call.
As smartphones are moving to be generic, focus on the OS, that differentiation still applies
From: Michel Munger <michel@munger.ca >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
better.
That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
Michel
--
Site: http://www.munger.ca/
Randy B. Singer said:
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
>
> > Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a
> rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase
> profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only
> available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
>
> *Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share.
> Every...Single...One.
> Any company that does not increase profits and market share has
> shareholders that will be looking for director's and officer's heads.
>
> That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products
> with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete
> on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market,
> unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
>
> Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends
> to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market
> niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance,
> Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks,
> because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage.
> But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more
> expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper
> iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle,
> Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for
> a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with
> drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap",
> and they maintained a premium profit margin.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
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They are fast becoming generic devices, everyone has one more or less. The iPhone is not the best phone out there, whether you look at screen density, pixel count, camera, screen size, it is not the best. It is one top end smartphone amongst others. Apple needs to stop advertising the iPhone and advertise the ecosystem.
Apples margin has declined. Actually it hasn't, what has changed is the sales mix of the current iPhone and the old models, 4 and 4S. That's a wakeup call.
As smartphones are moving to be generic, focus on the OS, that differentiation still applies
From: Michel Munger <michel@munger.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
better.
That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
Michel
--
Site: http://www.munger.
Randy B. Singer said:
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
>
> > Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a
> rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase
> profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only
> available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
>
> *Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share.
> Every...Single.
> Any company that does not increase profits and market share has
> shareholders that will be looking for director'
>
> That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products
> with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete
> on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market,
> unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
>
> Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends
> to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market
> niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance,
> Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks,
> because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage.
> But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more
> expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper
> iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle,
> Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for
> a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with
> drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap"
> and they maintained a premium profit margin.
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
> ____________
>
>
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:29 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
I expect they would use the same production line as the 4/4S, reduce a few features. The phone is becoming less important, it is the OS. Sell a lower cost phone = lower margin. After that, a new user to the ecosystem buys a few apps, buys an iPad, and that will help to lock new users in, who wil generate future revenue from the AppStore, adding another product, upgrading.
"Smaller screen ? No, "
They already have a smaller screen than the market. A small screen and on the older models a smaller screen. For cheaper models it will be the 3.5
From: Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Michel Munger <michel@munger.ca >
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
Hi,
Apples design process has never focussed on cost. Whenever they decide
to make a new product, they always decide on what the scope of that
project is, and if it fills a niche not covered by their current
products, and if the new production would fit into their line without
fragmenting it. Then they design and build as good a product as they
can, to fit, and then at the end see what it needs to cost.
The quality of Apple products is their main discerning feature, and
personally I simply do not see them designing a cheap iPhone, simply for
cheapness sake. Its just not the way Apple does things. Also, how would
you make an iPhone cheaper ? its not like the mac mini, which is cheaper
than an iMac because it does not come with its own screen, keyboard etc.
What could be changed on an iPhone to make it cheaper, without making
the user experience worse, which they wouldn't do. Smaller screen ? No,
not for me... I'm not saying they won't find some way to take advantage
of these markets, but I would bet in a way no one is predicting.
Chris
On 25/07/13 12:39, Michel Munger wrote:
> The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
> China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
> better.
>
> That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
>
> Michel
>
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"Smaller screen ? No, "
They already have a smaller screen than the market. A small screen and on the older models a smaller screen. For cheaper models it will be the 3.5
From: Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
To: macsupportcentral@
Cc: Michel Munger <michel@munger.
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
Hi,
Apples design process has never focussed on cost. Whenever they decide
to make a new product, they always decide on what the scope of that
project is, and if it fills a niche not covered by their current
products, and if the new production would fit into their line without
fragmenting it. Then they design and build as good a product as they
can, to fit, and then at the end see what it needs to cost.
The quality of Apple products is their main discerning feature, and
personally I simply do not see them designing a cheap iPhone, simply for
cheapness sake. Its just not the way Apple does things. Also, how would
you make an iPhone cheaper ? its not like the mac mini, which is cheaper
than an iMac because it does not come with its own screen, keyboard etc.
What could be changed on an iPhone to make it cheaper, without making
the user experience worse, which they wouldn't do. Smaller screen ? No,
not for me... I'm not saying they won't find some way to take advantage
of these markets, but I would bet in a way no one is predicting.
Chris
On 25/07/13 12:39, Michel Munger wrote:
> The cheaper iPhone concept is one for emerging markets. Outside of
> China, Apple's phone hasn't caught on as much and rivals have been doing
> better.
>
> That's why it would be tempting for them to launch one.
>
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:33 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
I expect, if they release a cheaper iPhone, that it will still be the most expensive in that range, but if its that much better, its a small premium worth paying. IF they show the public what the ecosystem offers. Smartphones are a one off margin, locking a user in to the overall ecosystem experience is what is needed, IMO
From: Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
> Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
*Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share. Every...Single...One.
Any company that does not increase profits and market share has shareholders that will be looking for director's and officer's heads.
That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market, unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance, Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks, because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage. But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle, Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap", and they maintained a premium profit margin.
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www..macattorney.com/ts.html
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From: Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
> Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
*Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share. Every...Single.
Any company that does not increase profits and market share has shareholders that will be looking for director'
That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market, unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance, Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks, because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage. But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle, Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap"
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www..
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
Randy, I read your website, wonderful. But as I have Mountain Lion, and being a new OSX user, I am not aware what is relevant to me. Will you be updating to 10.8 at some point?
From: Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
> Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
*Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share. Every....Single...One.
Any company that does not increase profits and market share has shareholders that will be looking for director's and officer's heads..
That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market, unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance, Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks, because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage. But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle, Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap", and they maintained a premium profit margin.
___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________
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From: Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Bloomberg: Apple Tops Estimates, Deflects Smartphone Assault
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Tony wrote:
> Yes, Apple NEVER says anything except on keynotes. So everything is a rumour. If they do provide a cheaper phone, it must be to increase profits ad market share. If this possible cheaper phone is only available in developing countries, its just to increase profits
*Every* company is all about increasing profits and market share. Every....Single.
Any company that does not increase profits and market share has shareholders that will be looking for director'
That said, Apple's business plan is to only offer up-market products with a large profit margin. By and large, Apple doesn't tend to compete on price with competitors, especially at the low end of the market, unless it is with a product with a market-changing paradigm.
Apple may or may not be considering a cheaper iPhone. Apple only tends to come out with less expensive products when they can fit into a market niche and still offer a product that is very high quality. For instance, Apple never got into the hot market a few years back for netbooks, because they couldn't offer one at its price point that wasn't garbage. But they later filled that niche (and killed it) with a much more expensive iPad. Apple offered a cheaper Mac (the Mac mini), a cheaper iPad (the iPad mini), and various cheaper models of the iPad (Shuffle, Nano, etc.) but none of these were exactly a down-market substitute for a more expensive Apple product. They instead tended to be products with drastically reduced features, yet they still weren't exactly "cheap"
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
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