7/24/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9668

Mac Support Central

15 New Messages

Digest #9668
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Re: Re-connect to AppleTV by "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
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Re: Re-connect to AppleTV by "Kenneth Silva" avliska
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Re: Re-connect to AppleTV by "Kenneth Silva" avliska
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Re: iWork by "N.A. Nada"
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Re: iWork by "Forrest Leedy" forrkazu
5.1
Re: FBI has locked my browser by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup

Messages

Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob

On 22/07/13 19:33, Kenneth Silva wrote:
> Yes, I can access both Google and YouTube on the computer. I just can't access YouTube search on my AppleTV. It doesn't like my choice of passwords.

Citing Occam's razor, are you sure you are typing the right password in ...

> Ken S.
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com> wrote:
>
>> Connect to youtube on computer to ensure username and password work in
>> general. Then start working on the Apple TV knowing the credentials are
>> tested and working.
>> On Jul 22, 2013 12:09 PM, "Ken" <avlisk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I should have said the YouTube part of the AppleTV isn't connecting. I
>>> have the other parts, such as Netflix and Computer which are still working.
>>> Ken S.
>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <avlisk@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have lost the ability to connect to my AppleTV and my brain isn't
>>> figuring out how to reconnect. It's asking for my YouTube Password and when
>>> I try, it says the account name or the password is incorrect. I've tried
>>> every Password I could think of, but no luck. It looks like Google and
>>> YouTube are the same, so I changed my Google password (because I could do
>>> that on my computer) and tried that with my AppleTV/YouTube password, but
>>> it won't accept it.
>>>> I reset the AppleTV and still no luck. What do I do now? And thank you.
>>>> Ken Silva
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:20 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kenneth Silva" avliska

Update: It's now the next day. Things are a bit different in YouTube on AppleTV. The Search and HIstory functions are now working today. But Log In still says I'm using the wrong password. I guess this is OK if everything is working except Log In. I should just ignore Log In, I guess.
Ken S.

On Jul 23, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 22/07/13 19:33, Kenneth Silva wrote:
> > Yes, I can access both Google and YouTube on the computer. I just can't access YouTube search on my AppleTV. It doesn't like my choice of passwords.
>
> Citing Occam's razor, are you sure you are typing the right password in ...
>
> > Ken S.
> >
> >
> > On Jul 22, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Connect to youtube on computer to ensure username and password work in
> >> general. Then start working on the Apple TV knowing the credentials are
> >> tested and working.
> >> On Jul 22, 2013 12:09 PM, "Ken" <avlisk@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I should have said the YouTube part of the AppleTV isn't connecting. I
> >>> have the other parts, such as Netflix and Computer which are still working.
> >>> Ken S.
> >>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <avlisk@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have lost the ability to connect to my AppleTV and my brain isn't
> >>> figuring out how to reconnect. It's asking for my YouTube Password and when
> >>> I try, it says the account name or the password is incorrect. I've tried
> >>> every Password I could think of, but no luck. It looks like Google and
> >>> YouTube are the same, so I changed my Google password (because I could do
> >>> that on my computer) and tried that with my AppleTV/YouTube password, but
> >>> it won't accept it.
> >>>> I reset the AppleTV and still no luck. What do I do now? And thank you.
> >>>> Ken Silva
>
>

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Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:56 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Ken, you don't need to log in except to view some videos and possibly a few other features. My old YouTube password no longer works either, so if you need to log in, create a new one.

On Jul 23, 2013, at 6:20 AM, Kenneth Silva wrote:

Update: It's now the next day. Things are a bit different in YouTube on AppleTV. The Search and HIstory functions are now working today. But Log In still says I'm using the wrong password. I guess this is OK if everything is working except Log In. I should just ignore Log In, I guess.
Ken S.

On Jul 23, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 22/07/13 19:33, Kenneth Silva wrote:
> > Yes, I can access both Google and YouTube on the computer. I just can't access YouTube search on my AppleTV. It doesn't like my choice of passwords.
>
> Citing Occam's razor, are you sure you are typing the right password in ...
>
> > Ken S.
> >
> >
> > On Jul 22, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Connect to youtube on computer to ensure username and password work in
> >> general. Then start working on the Apple TV knowing the credentials are
> >> tested and working.
> >> On Jul 22, 2013 12:09 PM, "Ken" <avlisk@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I should have said the YouTube part of the AppleTV isn't connecting. I
> >>> have the other parts, such as Netflix and Computer which are still working.
> >>> Ken S.
> >>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <avlisk@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have lost the ability to connect to my AppleTV and my brain isn't
> >>> figuring out how to reconnect. It's asking for my YouTube Password and when
> >>> I try, it says the account name or the password is incorrect. I've tried
> >>> every Password I could think of, but no luck. It looks like Google and
> >>> YouTube are the same, so I changed my Google password (because I could do
> >>> that on my computer) and tried that with my AppleTV/YouTube password, but
> >>> it won't accept it.
> >>>> I reset the AppleTV and still no luck. What do I do now? And thank you.
> >>>> Ken Silva
>
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:41 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kenneth Silva" avliska

Thanks, N.A. Nada. I was trying to log in because my Search and History parts of YouTube weren't working yesterday. YouTube on AppleTV doesn't like my password. I assumed it was because I had to reset Safari due to a malware/virus/trojan that attacked me, and lots of websites were then requiring me to log in again. They all worked, but AppleTV didn't. Then, I went to bed. The next day, suddenly, Search and History were again working, even though AppleTV still doesn't approve of my password. Since everything else is working, I think I'll just move on with my life and forget about the password since it isn't mattering.
Ken S.

On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:56 AM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Ken, you don't need to log in except to view some videos and possibly a few other features. My old YouTube password no longer works either, so if you need to log in, create a new one.
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2013, at 6:20 AM, Kenneth Silva wrote:
>
> Update: It's now the next day. Things are a bit different in YouTube on AppleTV. The Search and HIstory functions are now working today. But Log In still says I'm using the wrong password. I guess this is OK if everything is working except Log In. I should just ignore Log In, I guess.
> Ken S.
>
> On Jul 23, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 22/07/13 19:33, Kenneth Silva wrote:
>>> Yes, I can access both Google and YouTube on the computer. I just can't access YouTube search on my AppleTV. It doesn't like my choice of passwords.
>>
>> Citing Occam's razor, are you sure you are typing the right password in ...
>>
>>> Ken S.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Connect to youtube on computer to ensure username and password work in
>>>> general. Then start working on the Apple TV knowing the credentials are
>>>> tested and working.
>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 12:09 PM, "Ken" <avlisk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I should have said the YouTube part of the AppleTV isn't connecting. I
>>>>> have the other parts, such as Netflix and Computer which are still working.
>>>>> Ken S.
>>>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <avlisk@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have lost the ability to connect to my AppleTV and my brain isn't
>>>>> figuring out how to reconnect. It's asking for my YouTube Password and when
>>>>> I try, it says the account name or the password is incorrect. I've tried
>>>>> every Password I could think of, but no luck. It looks like Google and
>>>>> YouTube are the same, so I changed my Google password (because I could do
>>>>> that on my computer) and tried that with my AppleTV/YouTube password, but
>>>>> it won't accept it.
>>>>>> I reset the AppleTV and still no luck. What do I do now? And thank you.
>>>>>> Ken Silva
>>
>>
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

There seems to be a lot more missing that just that. The last version of Numbers on iCloud seemed a little better. This is so __basic__ feature lacking, that it is almost a joke to put it out as a public beta.

Brent

On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Jon Kreisler wrote:

I briefly tried Numbers for iCloud. The first document I tried, I
discovered a missing feature. Drop-down-menu cell formatting is not
supported. Since the spreadsheet I used depended on that option, it was
useless. Oh well. Onward and upward.

Jon

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:24 PM, bob morin <rbmorin11@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:17 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > Bob, let us know what you think of the cloud version, and be sure to
> give Apple any good or bad feedback..
> >
>
> Will do but since being retired I don't use these programs very much these
> days. I liked the ability to send document directly by e mail but later
> noticed one can do the same in the stand alone pages program.
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> The iCloud version seems to work nicely and conveniently.
>
> bob
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> bob morin
> rbmorin11@gmail.com
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:25 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Forrest Leedy" forrkazu

I agree with Brent. It seems like they are just shooting themselves in the foot by putting a dumb down beta for people to view and comment on. I sent them a reply that I hope that this is not the final version as it was really lacking a lot in both Pages and Numbers. I don't know about Keynote as I don't need this program.

Forrest

On Jul 23, 2013, at 2:53 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> There seems to be a lot more missing that just that. The last version of Numbers on iCloud seemed a little better. This is so __basic__ feature lacking, that it is almost a joke to put it out as a public beta.
>
> Brent
>
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> On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Jon Kreisler wrote:
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> I briefly tried Numbers for iCloud. The first document I tried, I
> discovered a missing feature. Drop-down-menu cell formatting is not
> supported. Since the spreadsheet I used depended on that option, it was
> useless. Oh well. Onward and upward.
>
> Jon
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> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:24 PM, bob morin <rbmorin11@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:17 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> Bob, let us know what you think of the cloud version, and be sure to
>> give Apple any good or bad feedback..
>>>
>>
>> Will do but since being retired I don't use these programs very much these
>> days. I liked the ability to send document directly by e mail but later
>> noticed one can do the same in the stand alone pages program.
>>
>> The iCloud version seems to work nicely and conveniently.
>>
>> bob
>>
>> bob morin
>> rbmorin11@gmail.com

Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Pat Taylor" pat412255

From Bloomberg, Jul 23, 2013, 2:40:42 PM
Apple Inc. (AAPL), maker of the iPhone and iPad, reported third-quarter profit and sales that beat analysts̢۪ estimates, spurring optimism that the company is weathering an attack from low-end smartphone competition.

To read the entire article, go to http://bloom.bg/1bKoJ2I
Sent from the Bloomberg iPad application. Download the free application at http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bloomberg-for-ipad/id364304764?mt=8

Sent from my iPad...

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Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Pat Taylor" pat412255

>
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> Apple Inc. (AAPL), maker of the iPhone and iPad, reported third-quarter profit and sales that beat analysts̢۪ estimates, spurring optimism that the company is weathering an attack from low-end smartphone competition.
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> To read the entire article, go to http://bloom.bg/1bKoJ2I
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Who cares! I certainly don't.

Apple's goal is not the same as the rest. Apple wants to make the best products, not sell the most units.

On Jul 23, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:

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> Apple Inc. (AAPL), maker of the iPhone and iPad, reported third-quarter profit and sales that beat analysts̢۪ estimates, spurring optimism that the company is weathering an attack from low-end smartphone competition.
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> To read the entire article, go to http://bloom.bg/1bKoJ2I
> Sent from the Bloomberg iPad application. Download the free application at http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bloomberg-for-ipad/id364304764?mt=8
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:19 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Pat Taylor" pat412255

It takes profit to fund all that's necessary to make the best products.

Sent from my iPad...

On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Who cares! I certainly don't.
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Yes, and selling lots of units at tiny profits does not add up to lots of big bucks in the end. The reason Apple is successful in that it does not use the same poor business plan that all the rest do. It is not looking for short term profits or give a hoot about market share.

Attack from low-end smartphone competition.

Have you noticed that all of the versions of iPhone are basically the same, where as other cell phone brands have numerous models with many different features and feature sets.

If price was important, why has there not been a successful cheap knock off? The iPhone has been out for 6 years now, you'd thing if it were all about price, that someone would have come out with a cheap knock off in that time, that would sell well, let alone come near to the number of units Apple has sold.

Other companies wish they had Apple's recent worst quarters profits.

On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:

It takes profit to fund all that's necessary to make the best products.

Sent from my iPad...

On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Who cares! I certainly don't.
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:07 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz

I don't disagree but if that is the case, why is apple supposedly looking at a cheaper iPhone ?

Sent from my iPhone 5 

On 24/07/2013, at 6:03 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Yes, and selling lots of units at tiny profits does not add up to lots of big bucks in the end. The reason Apple is successful in that it does not use the same poor business plan that all the rest do. It is not looking for short term profits or give a hoot about market share.
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> Attack from low-end smartphone competition.
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> Have you noticed that all of the versions of iPhone are basically the same, where as other cell phone brands have numerous models with many different features and feature sets.
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> If price was important, why has there not been a successful cheap knock off? The iPhone has been out for 6 years now, you'd thing if it were all about price, that someone would have come out with a cheap knock off in that time, that would sell well, let alone come near to the number of units Apple has sold.
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> Other companies wish they had Apple's recent worst quarters profits.
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> On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
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> It takes profit to fund all that's necessary to make the best products.
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> Sent from my iPad...
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> On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > Who cares! I certainly don't.
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> > Apple's goal is not the same as the rest. Apple wants to make the best products, not sell the most units.
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> > On Jul 23, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
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> > > To read the entire article, go to http://bloom.bg/1bKoJ2I
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"John Masters" joemastersk

Apple already sells a cheap iPhone. http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/?newsid=3460430&olo=rss

John Masters
johnmasters@me.com

On 24 Jul 2013, at 09:05, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> I don't disagree but if that is the case, why is apple supposedly looking at a cheaper iPhone ?
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5 
>
> On 24/07/2013, at 6:03 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes, and selling lots of units at tiny profits does not add up to lots of big bucks in the end. The reason Apple is successful in that it does not use the same poor business plan that all the rest do. It is not looking for short term profits or give a hoot about market share.
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> > Attack from low-end smartphone competition.
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> > Have you noticed that all of the versions of iPhone are basically the same, where as other cell phone brands have numerous models with many different features and feature sets.
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> > If price was important, why has there not been a successful cheap knock off? The iPhone has been out for 6 years now, you'd thing if it were all about price, that someone would have come out with a cheap knock off in that time, that would sell well, let alone come near to the number of units Apple has sold.
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> > On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
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Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz

They do as in past models. But as I said, why would apple be looking at lower priced new models? Assuming the rumour mill is correct

Sent from my iPhone 5 

On 24/07/2013, at 8:11 PM, John Masters <johnmasters@me.com> wrote:

> Apple already sells a cheap iPhone. http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/?newsid=3460430&olo=rss
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> John Masters
> johnmasters@me.com
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> On 24 Jul 2013, at 09:05, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
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> > I don't disagree but if that is the case, why is apple supposedly looking at a cheaper iPhone ?
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> > Sent from my iPhone 5 
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> > On 24/07/2013, at 6:03 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, and selling lots of units at tiny profits does not add up to lots of big bucks in the end. The reason Apple is successful in that it does not use the same poor business plan that all the rest do. It is not looking for short term profits or give a hoot about market share.
> > >
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> > > Have you noticed that all of the versions of iPhone are basically the same, where as other cell phone brands have numerous models with many different features and feature sets.
> > >
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> > >
> > > Other companies wish they had Apple's recent worst quarters profits.
> > >
> > > On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
> > >
> > > It takes profit to fund all that's necessary to make the best products.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad...
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> > > On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > > > Who cares! I certainly don't.
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> > > > Apple's goal is not the same as the rest. Apple wants to make the best products, not sell the most units.
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> > > > On Jul 23, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
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> > > > > From Bloomberg, Jul 23, 2013, 2:40:42 PM
> > > > > Apple Inc. (AAPL), maker of the iPhone and iPad, reported third-quarter profit and sales that beat analysts̢۪ estimates, spurring optimism that the company is weathering an attack from low-end smartphone competition.
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> > > > > To read the entire article, go to http://bloom.bg/1bKoJ2I
> > > > > Sent from the Bloomberg iPad application. Download the free application at http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bloomberg-for-ipad/id364304764?mt=8
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup


On Jul 23, 2013, at 2:42 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> On 23 July 2013 00:54, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com> wrote:
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>>
>> Oh, yes, I can certainly do that. But I would have to do it to each
>> message individually. I had some idea there could be a way to automate it
>> so that, for instance, every message in the Junk mailbox could be set to
>> full headers.
>>
>> Oh, well.
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> I thought that full headers were included by default and any recipient can
> view them at any point.
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> If you have a second email account you could easily test this.

No, my messages come with just To, CC, Bcc, Reply To, Subject, and From. I have to go to Mail.app. View menu, Message, All Headers to display all the headers. But Time Warner evidently doesn't want to do that. They want me to send it with All Headers already displayed. Fine. I just won't do it except in cases where I really want to specifically target a particular spammer.

Daly

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