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Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:44 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Lucky you.
On Sep 11, 2013, at 5:12 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
What security breach? Merchants take phone orders all the time, no physical card. I charge well into six figures a year, never a problem.
On Sep 11, 2013 1:44 AM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
You and Jim, probably hit it on the head.
Apple is probably still working on the security issues of fingerprint scanning. They first try it, totally within their control, and then allow 3rd-party access. Look at GateKeeper, someone stole a developer's key, to get around the security. Do you want a 3rd party having access to your fingerprints? How would you reset your fingerprints?
Bob. please explain this sentence, "I also store all my cards on my phone as my phone, unlike my wife's, can be read by any store scanner if the store isn't equipped with NFC." Are you saying you have images of your cards on your phone, and stores accept the images? If they do, wow, what a security breach! No hologram, no magnetic strip to verify the card. No impression of the card to verify that you presented it.
Brent
On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
No Fingerprint scanner on any Android. My Samsung uses NFC and pass code to unlock its use. VERY HANDY to pay with my phone, just tap it on the reader. No card to swipe or sign. Hope fingerprint scanner is more secure than pass code, wonder what is holding Apple back. My wife's LG also has this capability, as do most Android phones. I also store all my cards on my phone as my phone, unlike my wife's, can be read by any store scanner if the store isn't equipped with NFC. I literally do not carry a wallet anymore, just my phone. My phone case has a slot where I carry my driver license and concealed carry permit. Those are the only two things I need. And I slip a $20 bill in there just in case I need cash.
On Tuesday, September 10, 2013, Jim Saklad wrote:
> Fingerprint sensor, my anticipation was great. Saw potential for iPhone as a true wallet replacement. Sad to see it can only be used in iTunes.
>
> I wanted to be able to use my iPhone as a credit card JUST LIKE MY SAMSUNG.
> Maybe Apple can work this out next year. And hopefully a decent sized screen, are least 5".
So I presume your Samsung allows 3rd-party app programmers access to the fingerprint reader.
How are 3rd-parties prevented from storing, re-using, or selling your fingerprint?
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-Bob
On Sep 11, 2013, at 5:12 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
What security breach? Merchants take phone orders all the time, no physical card. I charge well into six figures a year, never a problem.
On Sep 11, 2013 1:44 AM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.
You and Jim, probably hit it on the head.
Apple is probably still working on the security issues of fingerprint scanning. They first try it, totally within their control, and then allow 3rd-party access. Look at GateKeeper, someone stole a developer'
Bob. please explain this sentence, "I also store all my cards on my phone as my phone, unlike my wife's, can be read by any store scanner if the store isn't equipped with NFC." Are you saying you have images of your cards on your phone, and stores accept the images? If they do, wow, what a security breach! No hologram, no magnetic strip to verify the card. No impression of the card to verify that you presented it.
Brent
On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
No Fingerprint scanner on any Android. My Samsung uses NFC and pass code to unlock its use. VERY HANDY to pay with my phone, just tap it on the reader. No card to swipe or sign. Hope fingerprint scanner is more secure than pass code, wonder what is holding Apple back. My wife's LG also has this capability, as do most Android phones. I also store all my cards on my phone as my phone, unlike my wife's, can be read by any store scanner if the store isn't equipped with NFC. I literally do not carry a wallet anymore, just my phone. My phone case has a slot where I carry my driver license and concealed carry permit. Those are the only two things I need. And I slip a $20 bill in there just in case I need cash.
On Tuesday, September 10, 2013, Jim Saklad wrote:
> Fingerprint sensor, my anticipation was great. Saw potential for iPhone as a true wallet replacement. Sad to see it can only be used in iTunes.
>
> I wanted to be able to use my iPhone as a credit card JUST LIKE MY SAMSUNG.
> Maybe Apple can work this out next year. And hopefully a decent sized screen, are least 5".
So I presume your Samsung allows 3rd-party app programmers access to the fingerprint reader.
How are 3rd-parties prevented from storing, re-using, or selling your fingerprint?
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-Bob
Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:50 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
I agree to the extent I don't use my phone as a credit card. I do have the information there, since I used to travel for work, but it is in an encrypted password vault that can remotely be deleted.
When I talk to senior older than me and they just want a phone to make calls and hold contacts (Because their memory doesn't seem to remember numbers like they used to.) and maybe text with the kids. I tell them to only use as much technology as they are comfortable with. No one going to make them use Facebook or Twitter.
You last comment hit the nail on the head, it is a tool, not a way of life. At least not for our generation.
Brent
On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:46 AM, <jsm5320432@yahoo.com> <jsm5320432@yahoo.com> wrote:
I will probably stay with my 4s for now as I'm very satisfied with it. Never been a big fan of "all my credit card information is on this phone" approach. Until the security challenges have been well tested by more than just the company selling the phone, I'll stay away from that approach.
As for the camera, I rarely use mine now. Mainly it is a phone, a calendar, a place to keep songs and a few other convenience apps. Its a tool not a way of life for me.
When I talk to senior older than me and they just want a phone to make calls and hold contacts (Because their memory doesn't seem to remember numbers like they used to.) and maybe text with the kids. I tell them to only use as much technology as they are comfortable with. No one going to make them use Facebook or Twitter.
You last comment hit the nail on the head, it is a tool, not a way of life. At least not for our generation.
Brent
On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:46 AM, <jsm5320432@yahoo.
I will probably stay with my 4s for now as I'm very satisfied with it. Never been a big fan of "all my credit card information is on this phone" approach. Until the security challenges have been well tested by more than just the company selling the phone, I'll stay away from that approach.
As for the camera, I rarely use mine now. Mainly it is a phone, a calendar, a place to keep songs and a few other convenience apps. Its a tool not a way of life for me.
Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> The reason that Apple is in it's current situation is that Jobs did not worry about market share or reputation for being behind.
>
> If they are behind, why is everyone, especially Samsung trying to copy them? Why are they the ones to change the way we listen to and buy music? Why do they have such a large percentage with basically one model of phone? Why does their basically one model of tablet have so much of the market?
>
> And market share, who cares! They have a large portion of that in everything but computers, and they are number two there, with tons of people switching over every day. You included by your own admission. What do you want to go back to them competing on monitor size or speed? Oh, right, that is what the competition is doing with phones and tablets.
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> Apple focuses on ease of use and experience, not market share. They focus on an integrated package of hardware and software that seamlessly works with other items.
Don't leave out the fact that with it's "failed" policies, Apple is BY FAR the most valuable tech company on the planet, and even after this morning's 5.5% stock drop, it is STILL worth over $30 BILLION more than "all sectors #2", Exxon-Mobil.
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> If they are behind, why is everyone, especially Samsung trying to copy them? Why are they the ones to change the way we listen to and buy music? Why do they have such a large percentage with basically one model of phone? Why does their basically one model of tablet have so much of the market?
>
> And market share, who cares! They have a large portion of that in everything but computers, and they are number two there, with tons of people switching over every day. You included by your own admission. What do you want to go back to them competing on monitor size or speed? Oh, right, that is what the competition is doing with phones and tablets.
>
> Apple focuses on ease of use and experience, not market share. They focus on an integrated package of hardware and software that seamlessly works with other items.
Don't leave out the fact that with it's "failed" policies, Apple is BY FAR the most valuable tech company on the planet, and even after this morning'
Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
But all it does is unlock, and for app purchases
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From: Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com>
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] New iPhones
>> How are 3rd-parties prevented from storing, re-using, or selling your fingerprint?
>
> Thats a good point, particularly where Androids are susceptible to malware.
>
> The Fingerprint sensor is just a gimmick, adds a minor efficiency gain to those that lock phones. Its good marketing, and for some, a nice feature, so it is a nice wee innovation.
As at least one publication has pointed out, solid fingerprint technology make a device much more useful in business/government use.
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From: Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] New iPhones
>> How are 3rd-parties prevented from storing, re-using, or selling your fingerprint?
>
> Thats a good point, particularly where Androids are susceptible to malware.
>
> The Fingerprint sensor is just a gimmick, adds a minor efficiency gain to those that lock phones. Its good marketing, and for some, a nice feature, so it is a nice wee innovation.
As at least one publication has pointed out, solid fingerprint technology make a device much more useful in business/government use.
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.
Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
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From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] New iPhones
The reason that Apple is in it's current situation is that Jobs did not worry about market share or reputation for being behind.
Yes. I agree.
If they are behind, why is everyone, especially Samsung trying to copy them? Why are they the ones to change the way we listen to and buy music? Why do they have such a large percentage with basically one model of phone? Why does their basically one model of tablet have so much of the market?
They all copy each other, many of the iOS featues are old Android featues, no issues with that, many companies add to the evolvement, the others copy.
And market share, who cares! They have a large portion of that in everything but computers, and they are number two there, with tons of people switching over every day. You included by your own admission. What do you want to go back to them competing on monitor size or speed? Oh, right, that is what the competition is doing with phones and tablets.
I dont care about market share nor do I care about how much money Apple makes. My point is that many facets that the public enjoy are not with Apple, such as screen size, OS features, that are now standard elsewhere and not offered by Apple. In any case to me the 4S to the 5S are little different, so I focus on iOS and give up on the generic models of the iPhone. But as stated the board told TC he needs to innovate, so they either want market share of more profits or higher share price. I'm not a recent concert, got first iPhone with the 4, then 4S, then 5, and have iPad 1, then 2, then 3
Apple focuses on ease of use and experience, not market share. They focus on an integrated package of hardware and software that seamlessly works with other items.
Integration is great, could not agree more
Competition and different innovations by other companies is good, but no one else carries it off a seamlessly as Apple. Hell, the iPhone was not the first cellular phone. It was just one that packaged all those features together. It had one more ingredient that the others didn't, and that was the distortion field. Steve Jobs is one of the best pitchmen since P. T. Barnum, Zig Ziglar, Charles Ponzi or Bernie Madoff.
I agree, but very slow to adopt the new featues available elsewhere that then become standard. However I do see iOS7 as a good catchup, and these days IMO its the OS and not the phone that matters
As a recent convert, you may not realize that Apple has always been slow to adopt, but fast to abandon. Always. They find interesting new technology and study it, look for ways to implement it, look for its pit falls or abuses, and ways to improve it. They they adopt it before it becomes an industry trend. If you don't believe me, we can start with the mouse.
I agree. I feel the current adoption is slow, just my opinion.
Things have not slowed since Jobs died. He formed a team that thinks like he did. They look at problems the same way he did. They innovate the same way he did. They work form the results backwards to what it takes to implement it.
And the reason the world economy is so messed up right now is that the investors and boards have had their way in looking for short term profits. Look at countries that have recovered from economic decimation. Japan business reward their employees for following long term plans, not making a quarterly profit. Has the employee or executive meet the plan to position the company for the next step in the plan?
Brent
On Sep 11, 2013, at 3:29 AM, Tony wrote:
I hear your points Brent, and they are good ones. I feel that the board telling TC that they want innovation is aimed at market share, and/or avoiding a reputation of being behind. I personally feel that the innovations made by other phones are good, and while I don't expect anyone else to immediately bring that out, over time they should. No one invented all the features we see in cars, as a new one was found (auto transmission, electric windows, more recently ABS, Traction Control) they all brought these into production. I feel Apple is lacking in not adopting new features brought out by others, or adopted in others. Larger screen option is one many want. Samsungs Air Gestures are a useful feature. The 4S had the best camera, now many others have superior cameras. This is why I have given up on the iPhone, its iOS I want, whether thats with a 4S, 5, 5C, or 5S makes little difference, they are all very much the same.
But I am assuming that post SJ, things slowed, maybe a concern not to add too much after his passing, board has spoken, so I am expecting a bit of a push. iPhone doesn't have to have the best in any one category, as long as it has the features that many want, it will sell due to the brand. Others like Samsung need the best and most features, as they do not have the "name"
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From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] New iPhones
Actually, I find the fingerprint sensor quite nice, and I yawned at the camera upgrade. But since my budget is tight, and my iPhone 4S is only 14 months old, I won't be upgrading.
Although I use a password vault app, I would like my stuff to be a bit more secure. But I find a 4-digit password a pain to use and ridiculously easy to by pass.
Most updates are eye-candy. I'd love to have the ability to use Airdrop on my MBP, but it is one model too old. Not a deal killer or one to make me upgrade.
The instruction to innovate just goes to show how short sighted the board is. These innovations do not happen over night, no matter what anyone demands. Apple currently only needs stocks to reward employees. They don't need it to attract investors or funding, so I think the push to pay dividends counter intuitive to their operations. It only rewards bad habits by investors to expect immediate, constant, and increasing rewards.
Like Tim Cook said at the end of the presentation, they decide on what they want achieve or experience they want to provide, and then they go about developing the means to accomplish it. Hell, they are still working on and extending the secret plans that Steve started and developed with the help of this crew. I'd be more concerned that Tim is up to the Jobs, pun intended. Those are some awfully big shoes to fill, but he did have a good teacher.
Brent
On Sep 10, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Tony wrote:
Underwhelming.
Faster CPU and 64 bit? You will see little real world difference
Camera upgrade, very good
Fingerprint Sensor? Yawn
iOS7, yes a great upgrade but we get that free for iPhone 4 and up.
As board told TC to innovate, next year will be the year that Apple's iPhone takes the world by storm, there will be the larger option and real innovation. I hope for useful and reliable gestures
Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I think there are some significant new things in the iPhone 5S.
64-bit A7 processor AND 64-bit OS 7 lay the groundwork for use of more
than 4 GB of RAM in the future. In turn this will mean faster apps and
apps that can do a lot more.
Just as the iPhone 5 model really improved the camera the 5S takes it
farther. This is important because iPhones are now the more frequently
used camera in the world or very close to that mark. A better camera
in low and mixed lighting conditions is a good thing.
The Fingerprint sensor does more than just unlock the phone. It also
lets the owner authenticate App Store and iTunes purchases with a touch
instead of typing in passwords. I hope it also means a major reduction
in stolen iPhones. On the Washington, D.C. regional Metro subway
system the iPhone is the most frequently stolen thing.
I'm looking forward to trying the new feature of iOS 7 and have read
several long reviews with video demos of it. The new Control Center
looks good.
With the two new phones, Apple stock dropped more than 5% today because
the market is always disappointed when Apple doesn't announce a new
magic ray gun, or a beam-me-up-Scotty transporter.
Denver Dan
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:58:04 +0000, Tony wrote:
> Underwhelming.
>
> Faster CPU and 64 bit? You will see little real world difference
> Camera upgrade, very good
> Fingerprint Sensor? Yawn
>
> iOS7, yes a great upgrade but we get that free for iPhone 4 and up.
>
> As board told TC to innovate, next year will be the year that Apple's
> iPhone takes the world by storm, there will be the larger option and
> real innovation. I hope for useful and reliable gestures
I think there are some significant new things in the iPhone 5S.
64-bit A7 processor AND 64-bit OS 7 lay the groundwork for use of more
than 4 GB of RAM in the future. In turn this will mean faster apps and
apps that can do a lot more.
Just as the iPhone 5 model really improved the camera the 5S takes it
farther. This is important because iPhones are now the more frequently
used camera in the world or very close to that mark. A better camera
in low and mixed lighting conditions is a good thing.
The Fingerprint sensor does more than just unlock the phone. It also
lets the owner authenticate App Store and iTunes purchases with a touch
instead of typing in passwords. I hope it also means a major reduction
in stolen iPhones. On the Washington, D.C. regional Metro subway
system the iPhone is the most frequently stolen thing.
I'm looking forward to trying the new feature of iOS 7 and have read
several long reviews with video demos of it. The new Control Center
looks good.
With the two new phones, Apple stock dropped more than 5% today because
the market is always disappointed when Apple doesn't announce a new
magic ray gun, or a beam-me-up-Scotty transporter.
Denver Dan
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:58:04 +0000, Tony wrote:
> Underwhelming.
>
> Faster CPU and 64 bit? You will see little real world difference
> Camera upgrade, very good
> Fingerprint Sensor? Yawn
>
> iOS7, yes a great upgrade but we get that free for iPhone 4 and up.
>
> As board told TC to innovate, next year will be the year that Apple's
> iPhone takes the world by storm, there will be the larger option and
> real innovation. I hope for useful and reliable gestures
Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 11 September 2013 02:23, Bob Cook <cookrd1@discoveryowners.com> wrote:
> Fingerprint sensor, my anticipation was great. Saw potential for iPhone as
> a true wallet replacement. Sad to see it can only be used in iTunes.
> I wanted to be able to use my iPhone as a credit card JUST LIKE MY
> SAMSUNG.
> Maybe Apple can work this out next year. And hopefully a decent sized
> screen, are least 5".
>
At least 5"? It's funny that when the first iPhone came out, all the tech
"experts" said that no one wanted a HUGE thing like that for a phone
(remember how tiny they were getting?).
If you want more than a 5" display, don't you actually want a tablet?
Otto
> Fingerprint sensor, my anticipation was great. Saw potential for iPhone as
> a true wallet replacement. Sad to see it can only be used in iTunes.
> I wanted to be able to use my iPhone as a credit card JUST LIKE MY
> SAMSUNG.
> Maybe Apple can work this out next year. And hopefully a decent sized
> screen, are least 5".
>
At least 5"? It's funny that when the first iPhone came out, all the tech
"experts" said that no one wanted a HUGE thing like that for a phone
(remember how tiny they were getting?).
If you want more than a 5" display, don't you actually want a tablet?
Otto
Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Adding to Jim's comments, many Mac users do not use any AV software. They sometimes slow the Macs down with no real benefit.
If you are interested, here is a URL to a review of many of the top AV apps for Mac. I will add that the site is intended for serious security techs, and can scare the crap out of the average user.
http://www.thesafemac.com/mac-anti-virus-testing-01-2013/
One other thing that you should seriously look at and that is GateKeeper. Most suggest that you set it to Mac App Store only, as recently someone managed to get a developer's ID and circumvent the process. Apple revoked the wayward ID. You can set GateKeeper at Sys Prefs > General (tab) > Allow applications downloaded from: If this is grey out, click on the lock at the bottom left and enter your Admin password to unlock.
Since you are setting up this Mac, the one time work around for an app download not from the Mac App Store is:
Right-click on app > Open > agree
Sorry about the stuck disc, and welcome aboard.
Brent
On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> I have set the firewall up and apart from that I have not put any internet security on the new Mac. I have bought the 2014 Kapersky Software for the two remaining Windows tower and laptop. The package includes a Mac version DVD as well. Perhaps you good people can advise me on what you think needs to be done on the security issues. From my initial use of the Mac system it seems to me there is 99% less pop ups and general annoyance than on the Windows platform.
A current iMac that is on the internet with no specific anti-malware software is probably a little safer than a Windows machine fully loaded with the best available anti-malware programs.
You can, of course, still be caught by phishing exploits, and you can still do dumb things like download software from an un-approved site, and bypas the OS's safeguards to install it anyway.
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If you are interested, here is a URL to a review of many of the top AV apps for Mac. I will add that the site is intended for serious security techs, and can scare the crap out of the average user.
http://www.thesafem
One other thing that you should seriously look at and that is GateKeeper. Most suggest that you set it to Mac App Store only, as recently someone managed to get a developer'
Since you are setting up this Mac, the one time work around for an app download not from the Mac App Store is:
Right-click on app > Open > agree
Sorry about the stuck disc, and welcome aboard.
Brent
On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> I have set the firewall up and apart from that I have not put any internet security on the new Mac. I have bought the 2014 Kapersky Software for the two remaining Windows tower and laptop. The package includes a Mac version DVD as well. Perhaps you good people can advise me on what you think needs to be done on the security issues. From my initial use of the Mac system it seems to me there is 99% less pop ups and general annoyance than on the Windows platform.
A current iMac that is on the internet with no specific anti-malware software is probably a little safer than a Windows machine fully loaded with the best available anti-malware programs.
You can, of course, still be caught by phishing exploits, and you can still do dumb things like download software from an un-approved site, and bypas the OS's safeguards to install it anyway.
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Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Michel,
Neither you nor I know his needs, so it is an option that he should look at. Granted it might be a 2 second look, but it is still a valid option, and only he can say if it works for him.
When I make significant buying decisions, I can't remember all the possible options, so I lay out a spreadsheet, with as many options as I think even modestly relevant. For computers and such, I include the software that I think I need or might have to upgrade and accessories. Then I start adding pros, cons, prices and options or alternatives. Usually one starts to stand out, and sometimes it is not the one I first thought of. Sometimes I walk away from the purchase all together as there are not enough pros to justify make the expenditure. This works great in combating the distortion effect.
The last time I bought a vehicle, I did basically the same thing when it was time to buy. I did my window shopping and research, until I knew the exact make and model I wanted. I walked in and handed a salesmen a list ranking all the options in the order of desire and asked him if he had one that matched the order of the list. If not then I moved to the next dealer. I got a lot of BS trying to change my mind, but I finally found what I wanted, with one exception, color. I drove off in it, an hour later.
All the suggestions I have seen so far have all been the salesmen trying to change the customer's mind, or what that individual wanted, none knowing the OP's needs, because he has not entirely expressed them. Thankfully, many include their reasoning as to why that was their choice.
Brent
On Sep 11, 2013, at 4:58 AM, Michel Munger wrote:
I do not recommend that. If you want mobility, choose a MacBook Air instead.
The iPad is very neat in its first year, but it doesn't age well. After
a few years and a few OS updates, it becomes very slow. It doesn't have
expandability for external USB devices. Typing also is much slower on a
tablet than on a MacBook Air.
Michel
N.A. Nada said:
> Then why not look at an iPad for your mobile, instead of a laptop?
Neither you nor I know his needs, so it is an option that he should look at. Granted it might be a 2 second look, but it is still a valid option, and only he can say if it works for him.
When I make significant buying decisions, I can't remember all the possible options, so I lay out a spreadsheet, with as many options as I think even modestly relevant. For computers and such, I include the software that I think I need or might have to upgrade and accessories. Then I start adding pros, cons, prices and options or alternatives. Usually one starts to stand out, and sometimes it is not the one I first thought of. Sometimes I walk away from the purchase all together as there are not enough pros to justify make the expenditure. This works great in combating the distortion effect.
The last time I bought a vehicle, I did basically the same thing when it was time to buy. I did my window shopping and research, until I knew the exact make and model I wanted. I walked in and handed a salesmen a list ranking all the options in the order of desire and asked him if he had one that matched the order of the list. If not then I moved to the next dealer. I got a lot of BS trying to change my mind, but I finally found what I wanted, with one exception, color. I drove off in it, an hour later.
All the suggestions I have seen so far have all been the salesmen trying to change the customer'
Brent
On Sep 11, 2013, at 4:58 AM, Michel Munger wrote:
I do not recommend that. If you want mobility, choose a MacBook Air instead.
The iPad is very neat in its first year, but it doesn't age well. After
a few years and a few OS updates, it becomes very slow. It doesn't have
expandability for external USB devices. Typing also is much slower on a
tablet than on a MacBook Air.
Michel
N.A. Nada said:
> Then why not look at an iPad for your mobile, instead of a laptop?
Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Thank you, Chris. I especially agree with you on that it is everyone's personal choice.
I disagree with you that they don't slow down, but it is because most of us load it up with stuff and never remove it. All those little sub-programs to watch and monitor things eventually slow it down. And that goes for iPads and Macs. So it is a problem that can be resolved, if the user thinks about it.
Brent
On Sep 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Hi,
On 11/09/13 12:58, Michel Munger wrote:
> I do not recommend that. If you want mobility, choose a MacBook Air instead.
>
> The iPad is very neat in its first year, but it doesn't age well. After
> a few years and a few OS updates, it becomes very slow.
Nonsense. Mine certainly hasn't. No issues with the various iOS updates,
which included the jump from 5 to 6.
Devices don't get slower over time, as long as they still work, they
work exactly as fast as they did before hand. Yes, they are slower than
that latest and greatest, which get faster over time, but if yours was
fast enough for you when you got it, there is no reason to expect that
to change. Eventually you might find some applications start to require
more and more horsepower to run, as this tends to be the way things go,
but that is not unique to iPads, the same could be said for any
application on a Mac as well. Most though don't need the full power of
the device they are running on, so this is only a problem for the few
that push the cpu power to the limits, which is a small fraction.
It doesn't have
> expandability for external USB devices.
Correct there.
Typing also is much slower on a
> tablet than on a MacBook Air.
That is completely a personal thing. I can type just fine on a iPad, not
quite as fast as a full keyboard, but more that adequate for most things.
I am not saying you are wrong in that an iPad will not for everyone one
be an acceptable substitute for a laptop, but for many it will (and
does) work just fine for what they want from it. Everyone needs to
decide this for themselves, not go on someone else's personal opinions.
Chris
>
> Michel
>
>
> N.A. Nada said:
>> Then why not look at an iPad for your mobile, instead of a laptop?
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I disagree with you that they don't slow down, but it is because most of us load it up with stuff and never remove it. All those little sub-programs to watch and monitor things eventually slow it down. And that goes for iPads and Macs. So it is a problem that can be resolved, if the user thinks about it.
Brent
On Sep 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Hi,
On 11/09/13 12:58, Michel Munger wrote:
> I do not recommend that. If you want mobility, choose a MacBook Air instead.
>
> The iPad is very neat in its first year, but it doesn't age well. After
> a few years and a few OS updates, it becomes very slow.
Nonsense. Mine certainly hasn't. No issues with the various iOS updates,
which included the jump from 5 to 6.
Devices don't get slower over time, as long as they still work, they
work exactly as fast as they did before hand. Yes, they are slower than
that latest and greatest, which get faster over time, but if yours was
fast enough for you when you got it, there is no reason to expect that
to change. Eventually you might find some applications start to require
more and more horsepower to run, as this tends to be the way things go,
but that is not unique to iPads, the same could be said for any
application on a Mac as well. Most though don't need the full power of
the device they are running on, so this is only a problem for the few
that push the cpu power to the limits, which is a small fraction.
It doesn't have
> expandability for external USB devices.
Correct there.
Typing also is much slower on a
> tablet than on a MacBook Air.
That is completely a personal thing. I can type just fine on a iPad, not
quite as fast as a full keyboard, but more that adequate for most things.
I am not saying you are wrong in that an iPad will not for everyone one
be an acceptable substitute for a laptop, but for many it will (and
does) work just fine for what they want from it. Everyone needs to
decide this for themselves, not go on someone else's personal opinions.
Chris
>
> Michel
>
>
> N.A. Nada said:
>> Then why not look at an iPad for your mobile, instead of a laptop?
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Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
Hi,
On 11 Sep 2013, at 08:31 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
> Thank you, Chris. I especially agree with you on that it is everyone's personal choice.
>
> I disagree with you that they don't slow down, but it is because most of us load it up with stuff and never remove it. All those little sub-programs to watch and monitor things eventually slow it down. And that goes for iPads and Macs. So it is a problem that can be resolved, if the user thinks about it.
Maybe i am being a tad pedantic, but technically the machine itself cannot slow down. Thats simply impossible. The system inside will be running at the same clock rate as it was the day you got it. What you describe is something else, which is when you ask a machine to do too many things at once.
Here, the situation is very different between iOS and OSX, as multitasking is one area that differs very significantly between the two. iOS in many regards does not really have true multitasking. You can only ever have one application running at once, and any others that might be 'running' at the same time, are actually put into a kind of hibernated state. So what you describe, clogging a machine up with too many open applications is a lot harder to do with iOS than it is with OSX. I personally have never experienced any obvious slow down on my iPAd because I had too much running at once, and on occasionally I have had quite a lot going... Even if you think you do, its trivial to close them down, so really this is not a point that should be brought up I think against iOS. If anything, its better than OSX in this regard.
Chris
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 11/09/13 12:58, Michel Munger wrote:
>> I do not recommend that. If you want mobility, choose a MacBook Air instead.
>>
>> The iPad is very neat in its first year, but it doesn't age well. After
>> a few years and a few OS updates, it becomes very slow.
>
> Nonsense. Mine certainly hasn't. No issues with the various iOS updates,
> which included the jump from 5 to 6.
>
> Devices don't get slower over time, as long as they still work, they
> work exactly as fast as they did before hand. Yes, they are slower than
> that latest and greatest, which get faster over time, but if yours was
> fast enough for you when you got it, there is no reason to expect that
> to change. Eventually you might find some applications start to require
> more and more horsepower to run, as this tends to be the way things go,
> but that is not unique to iPads, the same could be said for any
> application on a Mac as well. Most though don't need the full power of
> the device they are running on, so this is only a problem for the few
> that push the cpu power to the limits, which is a small fraction.
>
> It doesn't have
>> expandability for external USB devices.
>
> Correct there.
>
> Typing also is much slower on a
>> tablet than on a MacBook Air.
>
> That is completely a personal thing. I can type just fine on a iPad, not
> quite as fast as a full keyboard, but more that adequate for most things.
>
> I am not saying you are wrong in that an iPad will not for everyone one
> be an acceptable substitute for a laptop, but for many it will (and
> does) work just fine for what they want from it. Everyone needs to
> decide this for themselves, not go on someone else's personal opinions.
>
> Chris
>
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> N.A. Nada said:
>>> Then why not look at an iPad for your mobile, instead of a laptop?
>>
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On 11 Sep 2013, at 08:31 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.
> Thank you, Chris. I especially agree with you on that it is everyone'
>
> I disagree with you that they don't slow down, but it is because most of us load it up with stuff and never remove it. All those little sub-programs to watch and monitor things eventually slow it down. And that goes for iPads and Macs. So it is a problem that can be resolved, if the user thinks about it.
Maybe i am being a tad pedantic, but technically the machine itself cannot slow down. Thats simply impossible. The system inside will be running at the same clock rate as it was the day you got it. What you describe is something else, which is when you ask a machine to do too many things at once.
Here, the situation is very different between iOS and OSX, as multitasking is one area that differs very significantly between the two. iOS in many regards does not really have true multitasking. You can only ever have one application running at once, and any others that might be 'running&#
Chris
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 11/09/13 12:58, Michel Munger wrote:
>> I do not recommend that. If you want mobility, choose a MacBook Air instead.
>>
>> The iPad is very neat in its first year, but it doesn't age well. After
>> a few years and a few OS updates, it becomes very slow.
>
> Nonsense. Mine certainly hasn't. No issues with the various iOS updates,
> which included the jump from 5 to 6.
>
> Devices don't get slower over time, as long as they still work, they
> work exactly as fast as they did before hand. Yes, they are slower than
> that latest and greatest, which get faster over time, but if yours was
> fast enough for you when you got it, there is no reason to expect that
> to change. Eventually you might find some applications start to require
> more and more horsepower to run, as this tends to be the way things go,
> but that is not unique to iPads, the same could be said for any
> application on a Mac as well. Most though don't need the full power of
> the device they are running on, so this is only a problem for the few
> that push the cpu power to the limits, which is a small fraction.
>
> It doesn't have
>> expandability for external USB devices.
>
> Correct there.
>
> Typing also is much slower on a
>> tablet than on a MacBook Air.
>
> That is completely a personal thing. I can type just fine on a iPad, not
> quite as fast as a full keyboard, but more that adequate for most things.
>
> I am not saying you are wrong in that an iPad will not for everyone one
> be an acceptable substitute for a laptop, but for many it will (and
> does) work just fine for what they want from it. Everyone needs to
> decide this for themselves, not go on someone else's personal opinions.
>
> Chris
>
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> N.A. Nada said:
>>> Then why not look at an iPad for your mobile, instead of a laptop?
>>
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Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> I disagree with you that they don't slow down, but it is because most of us load it up with stuff and never remove it. All those little sub-programs to watch and monitor things eventually slow it down. And that goes for iPads and Macs. So it is a problem that can be resolved, if the user thinks about it.
>
> Maybe I am being a tad pedantic, but technically the machine itself cannot slow down. That's simply impossible. The system inside will be running at the same clock rate as it was the day you got it. What you describe is something else, which is when you ask a machine to do too many things at once.
1. Yes, you are being a tad pedantic. The common meaning of a phrase like "the system slows down" is pretty clear to most users.
2. Modern processors -- at least the ones currently used in iMacs and MacBooks -- DO have the capability of adjusting their clocks upwards and downwards.
>
> Maybe I am being a tad pedantic, but technically the machine itself cannot slow down. That's simply impossible. The system inside will be running at the same clock rate as it was the day you got it. What you describe is something else, which is when you ask a machine to do too many things at once.
1. Yes, you are being a tad pedantic. The common meaning of a phrase like "the system slows down" is pretty clear to most users.
2. Modern processors -- at least the ones currently used in iMacs and MacBooks -- DO have the capability of adjusting their clocks upwards and downwards.
Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
This is a weird issue in Pages and a significant feature that is
missing or doesn't work.
Fortunately there are multiple work arounds for changing case and other
editing functions.
Try WordService first and see what you think of it.
WordService
This a a great free Service utility.
Download from: <https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/10523/wordservice>
and visit the maker's web site also.
WordService provides 37 editing functions such as changing case,
sentence case, Initial caps, straight and smart quotes, removing line
endings and beginnings and attachments and links , sorting lines,
various date and time formats, paths, and more.
WordService works with a variety of Macintosh programs as a Service
including TextEdit, Pages, Mail, Stickies, Safari, and more.
After downloading, decompress the downloaded file and add the utility
within named
WordService.service
to your User Account/Library/Services folder.
Then restart your Mac or log out of your user account and log back in.
You may need to check something and turn on some of the 37 features by
checking on the check boxes in
System Preferences >Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts tab, then select
Services in left column.
Then scroll through the items in the right window pane and check on
some or all of the new Services added by WordService.
The reason for this is that some of these services may have shortcut
commands that conflict with other shortcut commands. You may need to
experiment with changing the shortcut if you use one that you need that
conflicts.
Then open Pages, open a document with text, select some text, choose
the Pages menu and pick Services and you should see the WordService
items you checked to turn on in Keyboard Shortcuts.
Same Services will work in many applications including the GyazMail
email program I'm using to write this message.
Good luck.
Denver Dan
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:02:58 -0400, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> I have a fairly simple question regarding Pages and formatting text.
>>
>> Where text is all in capitals is there a way to then highlight all
>> the text in all-caps and change it to all small letters?
>>
>> I tried what Pages help advises but that doesn't change anything.
>
> That, and much, MUCH more: TextSoap:
> <http://www.unmarked.com/textsoap/>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad
This is a weird issue in Pages and a significant feature that is
missing or doesn't work.
Fortunately there are multiple work arounds for changing case and other
editing functions.
Try WordService first and see what you think of it.
WordService
This a a great free Service utility.
Download from: <https://www.
and visit the maker's web site also.
WordService provides 37 editing functions such as changing case,
sentence case, Initial caps, straight and smart quotes, removing line
endings and beginnings and attachments and links , sorting lines,
various date and time formats, paths, and more.
WordService works with a variety of Macintosh programs as a Service
including TextEdit, Pages, Mail, Stickies, Safari, and more.
After downloading, decompress the downloaded file and add the utility
within named
WordService.
to your User Account/Library/
Then restart your Mac or log out of your user account and log back in.
You may need to check something and turn on some of the 37 features by
checking on the check boxes in
System Preferences >Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts tab, then select
Services in left column.
Then scroll through the items in the right window pane and check on
some or all of the new Services added by WordService.
The reason for this is that some of these services may have shortcut
commands that conflict with other shortcut commands. You may need to
experiment with changing the shortcut if you use one that you need that
conflicts.
Then open Pages, open a document with text, select some text, choose
the Pages menu and pick Services and you should see the WordService
items you checked to turn on in Keyboard Shortcuts.
Same Services will work in many applications including the GyazMail
email program I'm using to write this message.
Good luck.
Denver Dan
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:02:58 -0400, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> I have a fairly simple question regarding Pages and formatting text.
>>
>> Where text is all in capitals is there a way to then highlight all
>> the text in all-caps and change it to all small letters?
>>
>> I tried what Pages help advises but that doesn't change anything.
>
> That, and much, MUCH more: TextSoap:
> <http://www.unmarked
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad
Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"David Brostoff" dcbrostoff
On Sep 11, 2013, at 04:04 , Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I don't think anyone is saying that closing *any* window also closes the app, just that using the red button to close the *last/only* window does also close the app. I'm still not clear if ctrl-w works in exactly the same way as the red button, though.
Command + W is just a shortcut for clicking the red button--the end result is the same.
David
> I don't think anyone is saying that closing *any* window also closes the app, just that using the red button to close the *last/only* window does also close the app. I'm still not clear if ctrl-w works in exactly the same way as the red button, though.
Command + W is just a shortcut for clicking the red button--the end result is the same.
David
Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
The red button is the app. Thats the red X Looking at Excel and Word now which have a number of docs open, there is the red X on the top right corner, and below that, a smaller uncoloured x which is to close the app.
Does that help? The red X will close everything as thats Word, not the last open document. The current active document is the small x
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Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Mac vs PC
I don't think anyone is saying that closing *any* window also closes the app, just that using the red button to close the *last/only* window does also close the app. I'm still not clear if ctrl-w works in exactly the same way as the red button, though.
Otto
On 11 September 2013 11:04, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>I run Word at work, usually 4-6 docs open. They sit on the taskbar. If I close one of these, say the one I am in, that doc closes, Word and the other open docs doesn't. If I go to the taskbar, the 5 docs show in a list, I can close one and all the others and Word remain open. Works justlike tabs in a browser, one browser session with multiple tabs open, you can close any one of them and the browser stays open.
>
>
>I think the issue that closing a doc in Windows closes everything, the other open docs and the application, is clearly incorrect.
Does that help? The red X will close everything as thats Word, not the last open document. The current active document is the small x
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From: Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
To: "macsupportcentral@
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Mac vs PC
I don't think anyone is saying that closing *any* window also closes the app, just that using the red button to close the *last/only* window does also close the app. I'm still not clear if ctrl-w works in exactly the same way as the red button, though.
Otto
On 11 September 2013 11:04, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.
>
>
>I run Word at work, usually 4-6 docs open. They sit on the taskbar. If I close one of these, say the one I am in, that doc closes, Word and the other open docs doesn't. If I go to the taskbar, the 5 docs show in a list, I can close one and all the others and Word remain open. Works justlike tabs in a browser, one browser session with multiple tabs open, you can close any one of them and the browser stays open.
>
>
>I think the issue that closing a doc in Windows closes everything, the other open docs and the application, is clearly incorrect.
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