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Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Charles Lenington" fooltouse2
When did apple revert to older #'s on a mac? I tried to install on my
mini but no such version.
Maybe I'll go to one of the "iPhone" lists and ask there, because there
is no question about OS X.x.x + iPhone in this thread.
mini but no such version.
Maybe I'll go to one of the "iPhone" lists and ask there, because there
is no question about OS X.x.x + iPhone in this thread.
Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Charles,
Are you talking about iOS or OS X? One runs on iPhones, the other on Macs.
iOS 7 is now out for iPhones but the next OS X, 10.9, is not yet available.
Otto
On 25 September 2013 21:35, Charles Lenington <macsonly@brightok.net> wrote:
> When did apple revert to older #'s on a mac? I tried to install on my
> mini but no such version.
> Maybe I'll go to one of the "iPhone" lists and ask there, because there
> is no question about OS X.x.x + iPhone in this thread.
>
Are you talking about iOS or OS X? One runs on iPhones, the other on Macs.
iOS 7 is now out for iPhones but the next OS X, 10.9, is not yet available.
Otto
On 25 September 2013 21:35, Charles Lenington <macsonly@brightok.
> When did apple revert to older #'s on a mac? I tried to install on my
> mini but no such version.
> Maybe I'll go to one of the "iPhone" lists and ask there, because there
> is no question about OS X.x.x + iPhone in this thread.
>
Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Charles Lenington" fooltouse2
On 9/25/13 4:57 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
>
> Charles,
>
> Are you talking about iOS or OS X? One runs on iPhones, the other on
> Macs. iOS 7 is now out for iPhones but the next OS X, 10.9, is not yet
> available.
>
> Otto
>
> On 25 September 2013 21:35, Charles Lenington <macsonly@brightok.net
> <mailto:macsonly@brightok.net>> wrote:
>
> When did apple revert to older #'s on a mac? I tried to install on my
> mini but no such version.
> Maybe I'll go to one of the "iPhone" lists and ask there, because there
> is no question about OS X.x.x + iPhone in this thread.
>
>
>
>
That's what's confusing me. I thought this was an "Mac" list (and how
the Iphone interfaces with the mac) support list. Not a general iPhone
instruction/discussion list.
>
>
> Charles,
>
> Are you talking about iOS or OS X? One runs on iPhones, the other on
> Macs. iOS 7 is now out for iPhones but the next OS X, 10.9, is not yet
> available.
>
> Otto
>
> On 25 September 2013 21:35, Charles Lenington <macsonly@brightok.
> <mailto:macsonly@brightok.
>
> When did apple revert to older #'s on a mac? I tried to install on my
> mini but no such version.
> Maybe I'll go to one of the "iPhone" lists and ask there, because there
> is no question about OS X.x.x + iPhone in this thread.
>
>
>
>
That's what's confusing me. I thought this was an "Mac" list (and how
the Iphone interfaces with the mac) support list. Not a general iPhone
instruction/
Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Charles.
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I read your message earlier but could not understand what you were
talking about. What do you mean by "older #'s on a mac?"
Denver Dan
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:42:14 -0500, Charles Lenington wrote:
> On 9/25/13 4:57 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>>
>>
>> Charles,
>>
>> Are you talking about iOS or OS X? One runs on iPhones, the other on
>> Macs. iOS 7 is now out for iPhones but the next OS X, 10.9, is not yet
>> available.
>>
>> Otto
>>
>> On 25 September 2013 21:35, Charles Lenington <macsonly@brightok.net
>> <mailto:macsonly@brightok.net>> wrote:
>>
>> When did apple revert to older #'s on a mac? I tried to install on my
>> mini but no such version.
>> Maybe I'll go to one of the "iPhone" lists and ask there, because there
>> is no question about OS X.x.x + iPhone in this thread.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's what's confusing me. I thought this was an "Mac" list (and how
> the Iphone interfaces with the mac) support list. Not a general iPhone
> instruction/discussion list.
The following Group Description and information is on the About screen
when you log into the group with your web browser.
Group Description
Welcome to Mac Support Central!
This is a user-to-user support mailing list and Web group for Mac
computers, iPhone, iPod, iPad and other Apple products. Anything
related to their use is on-topic here.
Your moderators:
Michel Munger (Owner)
Dave Kelly
Doug Yelmen
Otto Nikolaus
Pat Osborne
Denver Dan
- - - - -
I read your message earlier but could not understand what you were
talking about. What do you mean by "older #'s on a mac?"
Denver Dan
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:42:14 -0500, Charles Lenington wrote:
> On 9/25/13 4:57 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>>
>>
>> Charles,
>>
>> Are you talking about iOS or OS X? One runs on iPhones, the other on
>> Macs. iOS 7 is now out for iPhones but the next OS X, 10.9, is not yet
>> available.
>>
>> Otto
>>
>> On 25 September 2013 21:35, Charles Lenington <macsonly@brightok.
>> <mailto:macsonly@brightok.
>>
>> When did apple revert to older #'s on a mac? I tried to install on my
>> mini but no such version.
>> Maybe I'll go to one of the "iPhone" lists and ask there, because there
>> is no question about OS X.x.x + iPhone in this thread.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's what's confusing me. I thought this was an "Mac" list (and how
> the Iphone interfaces with the mac) support list. Not a general iPhone
> instruction/
Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:47 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Sep 23, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> Every time this question comes up, I wonder: am I the only one who's uncomfortable with the notion that a company founded on intuitive user interface is now asking us to equate up with off?
>> Dane
>
> So far, I think that you are the only one who has.
> If it helps, think of picking that app up off the tray.
> Just the way you remove things from the Dock in MacOS X.
> ''&#
That was just the tip of the iceberg. Dane is not alone. The "computer for the rest of us" has become monstrously mysterious with lots of processes running invisible, full of iCould requirements, hugely changed interfaces including almost unreadable fonts/background combinations.
The interface feels to me something like a visit to a Museum of Modern Art where you kind of have to focus in and figure out what they are trying to tell you. And I'm MUCH older now than when I started so enthusiastically with Mac and started a vibrant consulting side business.
It is now so complex and mysterious that I've lost interest. I"m sure the younger members will take to it. (Actually I'm NOT sure evan about that.)
I think the younger members will feel much freer to switch to Samsung, or whatever. iCloud, horrific iOS user interface (grey on grey, REALLY, even worse than the earlier iCal, which was bad enough. In iCal there is not even any differentiation between dates in the previous/next months - it's all grey on grey. This is all "modern art," not user interface.
I'm about done.
I feel so bad about it.
All these years I haVe helped people move to Mac, and now I think it's no better than the competition. In some ways, worse. Apple appears to me all about style and the user is the loser. Well, there's still the virus advantage, but I truly think that advantage is eroding.
End of rant for the evening.
Daly
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Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:10 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> The "computer for the rest of us" has become monstrously mysterious with lots of processes running invisible, full of iCould requirements, hugely changed interfaces including almost unreadable fonts/background combinations.
>
> The interface feels to me something like a visit to a Museum of Modern Art where you kind of have to focus in and figure out what they are trying to tell you. And I'm MUCH older now than when I started so enthusiastically with Mac and started a vibrant consulting side business.
>
> It is now so complex and mysterious that I've lost interest. I"m sure the younger members will take to it. (Actually I'm NOT sure evan about that.)
>
> I think the younger members will feel much freer to switch to Samsung, or whatever. iCloud, horrific iOS user interface (grey on grey, REALLY, even worse than the earlier iCal, which was bad enough. In iCal there is not even any differentiation between dates in the previous/next months - it's all grey on grey. This is all "modern art," not user interface.
>
> I'm about done.
G'bye now.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.com
>
> The interface feels to me something like a visit to a Museum of Modern Art where you kind of have to focus in and figure out what they are trying to tell you. And I'm MUCH older now than when I started so enthusiastically with Mac and started a vibrant consulting side business.
>
> It is now so complex and mysterious that I've lost interest. I"m sure the younger members will take to it. (Actually I'm NOT sure evan about that.)
>
> I think the younger members will feel much freer to switch to Samsung, or whatever. iCloud, horrific iOS user interface (grey on grey, REALLY, even worse than the earlier iCal, which was bad enough. In iCal there is not even any differentiation between dates in the previous/next months - it's all grey on grey. This is all "modern art," not user interface.
>
> I'm about done.
G'bye now.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.
Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
When was the last time Apple said anything like "computer for the rest of us" in an ad? I don't know that it was said more than once, when the Mac was first introduced. Maybe one print ad about the same time, some 30 years ago.
I agree that some of the icons and color choices seem like they are from the MoMA, but then again I have worked for years with Danes, as in Danish people, and like simple and clean Danish and Japanese furniture.
What I don't like is that some of the visuals don't work well on the tiny screen of a iPhone when viewed by old eyes. The Settings icon is not recognizable, the teeth of the gears are too small and not enough contrast between the grays used. The scrub bar, elapsed time and time remaining, when listening to audiobooks are so small and faint in color as to be invisible. These might be fine on the iPad, but they draw wind on the iPhone. The Timer in Clock.app is the worst example. Open the Timer and put your iPhone at 3 feet and that is about what I see in bed at night with my glasses off. In iOS 6 all I needed to read it was to squint a little. In iOS 7, forget it, come completely awake and put on the glasses.
I agree, you delete by sliding to the right, but to quit is upwards? And my 4S is having problems recognizing some of the gestures, like Spotlight or Control Panel. Or maybe I have not found their sweet spots yet.
Brent
On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
On Sep 23, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> Every time this question comes up, I wonder: am I the only one who's uncomfortable with the notion that a company founded on intuitive user interface is now asking us to equate up with off?
>> Dane
>
> So far, I think that you are the only one who has.
> If it helps, think of picking that app up off the tray.
> Just the way you remove things from the Dock in MacOS X.
> ''''
That was just the tip of the iceberg. Dane is not alone. The "computer for the rest of us" has become monstrously mysterious with lots of processes running invisible, full of iCould requirements, hugely changed interfaces including almost unreadable fonts/background combinations.
The interface feels to me something like a visit to a Museum of Modern Art where you kind of have to focus in and figure out what they are trying to tell you. And I'm MUCH older now than when I started so enthusiastically with Mac and started a vibrant consulting side business.
It is now so complex and mysterious that I've lost interest. I"m sure the younger members will take to it. (Actually I'm NOT sure evan about that.)
I think the younger members will feel much freer to switch to Samsung, or whatever. iCloud, horrific iOS user interface (grey on grey, REALLY, even worse than the earlier iCal, which was bad enough. In iCal there is not even any differentiation between dates in the previous/next months - it's all grey on grey. This is all "modern art," not user interface.
I'm about done.
I feel so bad about it.
All these years I haVe helped people move to Mac, and now I think it's no better than the competition. In some ways, worse. Apple appears to me all about style and the user is the loser. Well, there's still the virus advantage, but I truly think that advantage is eroding.
End of rant for the evening.
Daly
> macsupportcentral-digest@yahoogroups.com
> macsupportcentral-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
I agree that some of the icons and color choices seem like they are from the MoMA, but then again I have worked for years with Danes, as in Danish people, and like simple and clean Danish and Japanese furniture.
What I don't like is that some of the visuals don't work well on the tiny screen of a iPhone when viewed by old eyes. The Settings icon is not recognizable, the teeth of the gears are too small and not enough contrast between the grays used. The scrub bar, elapsed time and time remaining, when listening to audiobooks are so small and faint in color as to be invisible. These might be fine on the iPad, but they draw wind on the iPhone. The Timer in Clock.app is the worst example. Open the Timer and put your iPhone at 3 feet and that is about what I see in bed at night with my glasses off. In iOS 6 all I needed to read it was to squint a little. In iOS 7, forget it, come completely awake and put on the glasses.
I agree, you delete by sliding to the right, but to quit is upwards? And my 4S is having problems recognizing some of the gestures, like Spotlight or Control Panel. Or maybe I have not found their sweet spots yet.
Brent
On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
On Sep 23, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> Every time this question comes up, I wonder: am I the only one who's uncomfortable with the notion that a company founded on intuitive user interface is now asking us to equate up with off?
>> Dane
>
> So far, I think that you are the only one who has.
> If it helps, think of picking that app up off the tray.
> Just the way you remove things from the Dock in MacOS X.
> ''&#
That was just the tip of the iceberg. Dane is not alone. The "computer for the rest of us" has become monstrously mysterious with lots of processes running invisible, full of iCould requirements, hugely changed interfaces including almost unreadable fonts/background combinations.
The interface feels to me something like a visit to a Museum of Modern Art where you kind of have to focus in and figure out what they are trying to tell you. And I'm MUCH older now than when I started so enthusiastically with Mac and started a vibrant consulting side business.
It is now so complex and mysterious that I've lost interest. I"m sure the younger members will take to it. (Actually I'm NOT sure evan about that.)
I think the younger members will feel much freer to switch to Samsung, or whatever. iCloud, horrific iOS user interface (grey on grey, REALLY, even worse than the earlier iCal, which was bad enough. In iCal there is not even any differentiation between dates in the previous/next months - it's all grey on grey. This is all "modern art," not user interface.
I'm about done.
I feel so bad about it.
All these years I haVe helped people move to Mac, and now I think it's no better than the competition. In some ways, worse. Apple appears to me all about style and the user is the loser. Well, there's still the virus advantage, but I truly think that advantage is eroding.
End of rant for the evening.
Daly
> macsupportcentral-
> macsupportcentral-
>
Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Engberg" mrbyte
On Sep 25, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.
>
> On Sep 23, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>>> Every time this question comes up, I wonder: am I the only one who's uncomfortable with the notion that a company founded on intuitive user interface is now asking us to equate up with off?
>>> Dane
>>
>> So far, I think that you are the only one who has.
>> If it helps, think of picking that app up off the tray.
>> Just the way you remove things from the Dock in MacOS X.
>> ''&#
> That was just the tip of the iceberg. Dane is not alone. The "computer for the rest of us" has become monstrously mysterious with lots of processes running invisible, full of iCould requirements, hugely changed interfaces including almost unreadable fonts/background combinations.
>
> The interface feels to me something like a visit to a Museum of Modern Art where you kind of have to focus in and figure out what they are trying to tell you. And I'm MUCH older now than when I started so enthusiastically with Mac and started a vibrant consulting side business.
>
> It is now so complex and mysterious that I've lost interest. I"m sure the younger members will take to it. (Actually I'm NOT sure evan about that.)
>
> I think the younger members will feel much freer to switch to Samsung, or whatever. iCloud, horrific iOS user interface (grey on grey, REALLY, even worse than the earlier iCal, which was bad enough. In iCal there is not even any differentiation between dates in the previous/next months - it's all grey on grey. This is all "modern art," not user interface.
>
> I'm about done.
>
> I feel so bad about it.
>
> All these years I haVe helped people move to Mac, and now I think it's no better than the competition. In some ways, worse. Apple appears to me all about style and the user is the loser. Well, there's still the virus advantage, but I truly think that advantage is eroding.
>
>
> End of rant for the evening.
>
> Daly
>
>
Well said, Daly. I second your sentiments! I'm really concerned with the direction we seem to be going.
John Engberg
Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
I dont really follow this. iOS 7 has a different look, but its still the same, age old iOS, but with a slightly different look. What was there before is still there, plus some useful features that don''t overcrowd it. Moving apps up to turn them off, is that really that big a deal? Its much better then holding one app for 2-3 seconds then touching the wee red x on each one to remove it. Its simpler and faster, is that not good?
________________________________
From: John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.net>
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] iO7 & Closing Apps
On Sep 25, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> On Sep 23, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>>> Every time this question comes up, I wonder: am I the only one who's uncomfortable with the notion that a company founded on intuitive user interface is now asking us to equate up with off?
>>> Dane
>>
>> So far, I think that you are the only one who has.
>> If it helps, think of picking that app up off the tray.
>> Just the way you remove things from the Dock in MacOS X.
>> ''''
> That was just the tip of the iceberg. Dane is not alone. The "computer for the rest of us" has become monstrously mysterious with lots of processes running invisible, full of iCould requirements, hugely changed interfaces including almost unreadable fonts/background combinations.
>
> The interface feels to me something like a visit to a Museum of Modern Art where you kind of have to focus in and figure out what they are trying to tell you. And I'm MUCH older now than when I started so enthusiastically with Mac and started a vibrant consulting side business.
>
> It is now so complex and mysterious that I've lost interest. I"m sure the younger members will take to it. (Actually I'm NOT sure evan about that.)
>
> I think the younger members will feel much freer to switch to Samsung, or whatever. iCloud, horrific iOS user interface (grey on grey, REALLY, even worse than the earlier iCal, which was bad enough. In iCal there is not even any differentiation between dates in the previous/next months - it's all grey on grey. This is all "modern art," not user interface.
>
> I'm about done.
>
> I feel so bad about it.
>
> All these years I haVe helped people move to Mac, and now I think it's no better than the competition. In some ways, worse. Apple appears to me all about style and the user is the loser. Well, there's still the virus advantage, but I truly think that advantage is eroding.
>
>
> End of rant for the evening.
>
> Daly
>
>
Well said, Daly. I second your sentiments! I'm really concerned with the direction we seem to be going.
John Engberg
____________
From: John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] iO7 & Closing Apps
On Sep 25, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.
>
> On Sep 23, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>>> Every time this question comes up, I wonder: am I the only one who's uncomfortable with the notion that a company founded on intuitive user interface is now asking us to equate up with off?
>>> Dane
>>
>> So far, I think that you are the only one who has.
>> If it helps, think of picking that app up off the tray.
>> Just the way you remove things from the Dock in MacOS X.
>> ''&#
> That was just the tip of the iceberg. Dane is not alone. The "computer for the rest of us" has become monstrously mysterious with lots of processes running invisible, full of iCould requirements, hugely changed interfaces including almost unreadable fonts/background combinations.
>
> The interface feels to me something like a visit to a Museum of Modern Art where you kind of have to focus in and figure out what they are trying to tell you. And I'm MUCH older now than when I started so enthusiastically with Mac and started a vibrant consulting side business.
>
> It is now so complex and mysterious that I've lost interest. I"m sure the younger members will take to it. (Actually I'm NOT sure evan about that.)
>
> I think the younger members will feel much freer to switch to Samsung, or whatever. iCloud, horrific iOS user interface (grey on grey, REALLY, even worse than the earlier iCal, which was bad enough. In iCal there is not even any differentiation between dates in the previous/next months - it's all grey on grey. This is all "modern art," not user interface.
>
> I'm about done.
>
> I feel so bad about it.
>
> All these years I haVe helped people move to Mac, and now I think it's no better than the competition. In some ways, worse. Apple appears to me all about style and the user is the loser. Well, there's still the virus advantage, but I truly think that advantage is eroding.
>
>
> End of rant for the evening.
>
> Daly
>
>
Well said, Daly. I second your sentiments! I'm really concerned with the direction we seem to be going.
John Engberg
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