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Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:41 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"caribsea@bellsouth.net" caribsea@bellsouth.net
I'd like to give a friend in England my old G4. What does she need to be able to use it there? I seem to recall having no problem using an even older Powerbook in Italy in 2001, using an adapter, I guess.
Does anyone know if there's a problem mailing it through the US Post Office?
Willi
Does anyone know if there's a problem mailing it through the US Post Office?
Willi
Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:41 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
She just needs a different mains plug/cable. The charger itself is the
same. I've got a spare cable I could send her.
I think it should be fine in the original box but how much will it cost?
Otto
(UK)
On 20 September 2013 22:41, caribsea@bellsouth.net
<caribsea@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> I'd like to give a friend in England my old G4. What does she need to be
> able to use it there? I seem to recall having no problem using an even
> older Powerbook in Italy in 2001, using an adapter, I guess.
> Does anyone know if there's a problem mailing it through the US Post
> Office?
>
same. I've got a spare cable I could send her.
I think it should be fine in the original box but how much will it cost?
Otto
(UK)
On 20 September 2013 22:41, caribsea@bellsouth.
<caribsea@bellsouth.
> I'd like to give a friend in England my old G4. What does she need to be
> able to use it there? I seem to recall having no problem using an even
> older Powerbook in Italy in 2001, using an adapter, I guess.
> Does anyone know if there's a problem mailing it through the US Post
> Office?
>
Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:09 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:41 PM, caribsea@bellsouth.
> I'd like to give a friend in England my old G4. What does she need to be able to use it there? I seem to recall having no problem using an even older Powerbook in Italy in 2001, using an adapter, I guess.
> Does anyone know if there's a problem mailing it through the US Post Office?
>
> Willi
I have shipped Apple computers overseas. They have power supplies that can take either standard 110v in the US or twice that in most of the rest of the world. Basically all you need is a plug adapter. Last November I took my MacBook Pro to Australia and the plug adapter is all I needed, just so US prongs could fit into the Aussie socket.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
This seems to be a bit of an issue for me as well.
I just tried a bunch of slightly different methods and if I don't press
hard but just do a casual up swipe, lightly pressing, it seems to work
better.
It also seems to work a bit more frequently if I press somewhat off
center.
I think you are right about the short distance drag/swipe.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:38:04 -0700, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
> I upgraded my iPhone 5 to iOS 7 yesterday. No issues at al with the
> process via WiFi.
>
> One thing that didn't seem to work as described was the Control
> Center. Supposedly dragging from the bottom of the screen does the
> trick, but I could only get it to work in about 1 out of 10 tries. I
> have the phone in an OtterBox Defender case, and thought maybe it was
> affecting the operation, so I removed it. No real difference.
>
> I finally figured out that the Control Center needs only a short
> distance for the drag - sometimes only a distance of 1/2 to 3/4 of an
> inch - not the longer one of 1/3 to 1/2 the screen height.
>
> I'm passing this along in case anyone else has the same issue.
>
> Tim
This seems to be a bit of an issue for me as well.
I just tried a bunch of slightly different methods and if I don't press
hard but just do a casual up swipe, lightly pressing, it seems to work
better.
It also seems to work a bit more frequently if I press somewhat off
center.
I think you are right about the short distance drag/swipe.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:38:04 -0700, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
> I upgraded my iPhone 5 to iOS 7 yesterday. No issues at al with the
> process via WiFi.
>
> One thing that didn't seem to work as described was the Control
> Center. Supposedly dragging from the bottom of the screen does the
> trick, but I could only get it to work in about 1 out of 10 tries. I
> have the phone in an OtterBox Defender case, and thought maybe it was
> affecting the operation, so I removed it. No real difference.
>
> I finally figured out that the Control Center needs only a short
> distance for the drag - sometimes only a distance of 1/2 to 3/4 of an
> inch - not the longer one of 1/3 to 1/2 the screen height.
>
> I'm passing this along in case anyone else has the same issue.
>
> Tim
Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
I'm glad you guys are working this stuff out so I don't have too ;)
After 2+ years w my iPhone4 I just realized how to place the text cursor where you want it. Duhhhhh. I just hold till the glass appears and move my finger to place. Duhhhhhh.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> This seems to be a bit of an issue for me as well.
>
> I just tried a bunch of slightly different methods and if I don't press
> hard but just do a casual up swipe, lightly pressing, it seems to work
> better.
>
> It also seems to work a bit more frequently if I press somewhat off
> center.
>
> I think you are right about the short distance drag/swipe.
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:38:04 -0700, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
> > I upgraded my iPhone 5 to iOS 7 yesterday. No issues at al with the
> > process via WiFi.
> >
> > One thing that didn't seem to work as described was the Control
> > Center. Supposedly dragging from the bottom of the screen does the
> > trick, but I could only get it to work in about 1 out of 10 tries. I
> > have the phone in an OtterBox Defender case, and thought maybe it was
> > affecting the operation, so I removed it. No real difference.
> >
> > I finally figured out that the Control Center needs only a short
> > distance for the drag - sometimes only a distance of 1/2 to 3/4 of an
> > inch - not the longer one of 1/3 to 1/2 the screen height.
> >
> > I'm passing this along in case anyone else has the same issue.
> >
> > Tim
>
After 2+ years w my iPhone4 I just realized how to place the text cursor where you want it. Duhhhhh. I just hold till the glass appears and move my finger to place. Duhhhhhh.
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Howdy.
>
> This seems to be a bit of an issue for me as well.
>
> I just tried a bunch of slightly different methods and if I don't press
> hard but just do a casual up swipe, lightly pressing, it seems to work
> better.
>
> It also seems to work a bit more frequently if I press somewhat off
> center.
>
> I think you are right about the short distance drag/swipe.
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:38:04 -0700, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
> > I upgraded my iPhone 5 to iOS 7 yesterday. No issues at al with the
> > process via WiFi.
> >
> > One thing that didn't seem to work as described was the Control
> > Center. Supposedly dragging from the bottom of the screen does the
> > trick, but I could only get it to work in about 1 out of 10 tries. I
> > have the phone in an OtterBox Defender case, and thought maybe it was
> > affecting the operation, so I removed it. No real difference.
> >
> > I finally figured out that the Control Center needs only a short
> > distance for the drag - sometimes only a distance of 1/2 to 3/4 of an
> > inch - not the longer one of 1/3 to 1/2 the screen height.
> >
> > I'm passing this along in case anyone else has the same issue.
> >
> > Tim
>
Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Doesn't everyone have the manual in iBooks so they can find out this stuff
sooner rather than later?
Otto
On 21 September 2013 00:26, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm glad you guys are working this stuff out so I don't have too ;)
>
> After 2+ years w my iPhone4 I just realized how to place the text cursor
> where you want it. Duhhhhh. I just hold till the glass appears and move my
> finger to place. Duhhhhhh.
>
sooner rather than later?
Otto
On 21 September 2013 00:26, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.
> I'm glad you guys are working this stuff out so I don't have too ;)
>
> After 2+ years w my iPhone4 I just realized how to place the text cursor
> where you want it. Duhhhhh. I just hold till the glass appears and move my
> finger to place. Duhhhhhh.
>
Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Sep 20, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
>
>
> I upgraded my iPhone 5 to iOS 7 yesterday. No issues at al with the process via WiFi.
>
> One thing that didn't seem to work as described was the Control Center. Supposedly dragging from the bottom of the screen does the trick, but I could only get it to work in about 1 out of 10 tries. I have the phone in an OtterBox Defender case, and thought maybe it was affecting the operation, so I removed it. No real difference.
>
> I finally figured out that the Control Center needs only a short distance for the drag - sometimes only a distance of 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch - not the longer one of 1/3 to 1/2 the screen height.
Thank you! I sure have the same issue and even the short drag doesn't work for me. I hope someone has an explanation. I can't quit anything at all! Long drag, short drag, fast drag, slow drag, drag up, drag to the side, no drags work!
Daly
Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Sep 20, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> This seems to be a bit of an issue for me as well.
>
> I just tried a bunch of slightly different methods and if I don't press
> hard but just do a casual up swipe, lightly pressing, it seems to work
> better.
>
> It also seems to work a bit more frequently if I press somewhat off
> center.
>
> I think you are right about the short distance drag/swipe.
I just tried 37 times on one icon. Short drag, long drag, hard drag, soft drag, on center, off center, doesn't matter. The thing won't go away! Very frustrating!
Daly
Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:25 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Pat Taylor" pat412255
Did you double click your Home button first to get icons of the recently used apps? If so, just put your finger on the one you want to close & swipe it up. Click your Home button once when you are done.
On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com> wrote:
> I just tried 37 times on one icon. Short drag, long drag, hard drag, soft drag, on center, off center, doesn't matter. The thing won't go away! Very frustrating!
>
> Daly
On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.
> I just tried 37 times on one icon. Short drag, long drag, hard drag, soft drag, on center, off center, doesn't matter. The thing won't go away! Very frustrating!
>
> Daly
Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
And miss making a stink for you smart guys? No way, Jose.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> Doesn't everyone have the manual in iBooks so they can find out this stuff
> sooner rather than later?
>
> Otto
>
> On 21 September 2013 00:26, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
>
> > I'm glad you guys are working this stuff out so I don't have too ;)
> >
> > After 2+ years w my iPhone4 I just realized how to place the text cursor
> > where you want it. Duhhhhh. I just hold till the glass appears and move my
> > finger to place. Duhhhhhh.
> >
>
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Doesn't everyone have the manual in iBooks so they can find out this stuff
> sooner rather than later?
>
> Otto
>
> On 21 September 2013 00:26, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
>
> > I'm glad you guys are working this stuff out so I don't have too ;)
> >
> > After 2+ years w my iPhone4 I just realized how to place the text cursor
> > where you want it. Duhhhhh. I just hold till the glass appears and move my
> > finger to place. Duhhhhhh.
> >
>
Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:49 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
>
>
> Did you double click your Home button first to get icons of the recently used apps? If so, just put your finger on the one you want to close & swipe it up. Click your Home button once when you are done.
>
Yes, that's just what I'm doing: double click the Home button, then swipe and swipe and swipe and swip and swipe.......
Daly
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.
>
>> I just tried 37 times on one icon. Short drag, long drag, hard drag, soft drag, on center, off center, doesn't matter. The thing won't go away! Very frustrating!
>>
>> Daly
>
>
>
>
Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
dbrandn
I don't use a case and dragging the Control Center is easy. I begin the swipe below the screen and it works each and every time. Almost too easy because I have activated it when I don't want too. It's all part of the learning curve I suppose. Then I tried to simulate using a case and began the swipe at the beginning of the screen, not below it --- not so easy. I rarely caught the sweet spot.
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> This seems to be a bit of an issue for me as well.
>
> I just tried a bunch of slightly different methods and if I don't press
> hard but just do a casual up swipe, lightly pressing, it seems to work
> better.
>
> It also seems to work a bit more frequently if I press somewhat off
> center.
>
> I think you are right about the short distance drag/swipe.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:38:04 -0700, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
> > I upgraded my iPhone 5 to iOS 7 yesterday. No issues at al with the
> > process via WiFi.
> >
> > One thing that didn't seem to work as described was the Control
> > Center. Supposedly dragging from the bottom of the screen does the
> > trick, but I could only get it to work in about 1 out of 10 tries. I
> > have the phone in an OtterBox Defender case, and thought maybe it was
> > affecting the operation, so I removed it. No real difference.
> >
> > I finally figured out that the Control Center needs only a short
> > distance for the drag - sometimes only a distance of 1/2 to 3/4 of an
> > inch - not the longer one of 1/3 to 1/2 the screen height.
> >
> > I'm passing this along in case anyone else has the same issue.
> >
> > Tim
>
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
>
> Howdy.
>
> This seems to be a bit of an issue for me as well.
>
> I just tried a bunch of slightly different methods and if I don't press
> hard but just do a casual up swipe, lightly pressing, it seems to work
> better.
>
> It also seems to work a bit more frequently if I press somewhat off
> center.
>
> I think you are right about the short distance drag/swipe.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:38:04 -0700, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
> > I upgraded my iPhone 5 to iOS 7 yesterday. No issues at al with the
> > process via WiFi.
> >
> > One thing that didn't seem to work as described was the Control
> > Center. Supposedly dragging from the bottom of the screen does the
> > trick, but I could only get it to work in about 1 out of 10 tries. I
> > have the phone in an OtterBox Defender case, and thought maybe it was
> > affecting the operation, so I removed it. No real difference.
> >
> > I finally figured out that the Control Center needs only a short
> > distance for the drag - sometimes only a distance of 1/2 to 3/4 of an
> > inch - not the longer one of 1/3 to 1/2 the screen height.
> >
> > I'm passing this along in case anyone else has the same issue.
> >
> > Tim
>
Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> I finally figured out that the Control Center needs only a short distance for the drag - sometimes only a distance of 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch - not the longer one of 1/3 to 1/2 the screen height.
>
> Thank you! I sure have the same issue and even the short drag doesn't work for me. I hope someone has an explanation. I can't quit anything at all! Long drag, short drag, fast drag, slow drag, drag up, drag to the side, no drags work!
> Daly
Bringing up the Control Center has nothing to do with quitting apps.
And the phone functions that can be started or quit from Control Center cn also be started and quit from Settings.
Which exactly is your problem?
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.com
>
> Thank you! I sure have the same issue and even the short drag doesn't work for me. I hope someone has an explanation. I can't quit anything at all! Long drag, short drag, fast drag, slow drag, drag up, drag to the side, no drags work!
> Daly
Bringing up the Control Center has nothing to do with quitting apps.
And the phone functions that can be started or quit from Control Center cn also be started and quit from Settings.
Which exactly is your problem?
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.
Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:10 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:02 PM, db26@cox.net wrote:
>
>
> I don't use a case and dragging the Control Center is easy. I begin the swipe below the screen and it works each and every time. Almost too easy because I have activated it when I don't want too. It's all part of the learning curve I suppose. Then I tried to simulate using a case and began the swipe at the beginning of the screen, not below it --- not so easy. I rarely caught the sweet spot.
Oh, my, I just got it. You don't swipe on the icon at the bottom of the screen. You swipe the medium-size icon of the app above it. That works. That's a HUGE change from iOS 6. No wonder so many people have trouble with it. Sweep in the large image of the app, not on the icon at the bottom of the screen.
Sheesh.
Daly
Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
I have two 3-TB Glyph drives (I think I found them at Amazon) for backup and couldn't be happier. They do cost a lot more, but that's relative. I feel very confident about them.
Daly
On Sep 20, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Jim McGarvie wrote:
>
>
> Thanks. Any particular recommendations for a 2 TB or better?
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> A USB 3.0 drive will be backwards compatible with USB 2.0
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us> wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>>
>> Apologies in advance for not trimming this message but I thought previous information might be helpful.
>>
>> Again this morning Time Machine reported "Unable to complete backup. An error occurred while creating the backup folder." When this occurred a couple of days ago Disk Utility Repair reported a good disk. This morning I tried a "Repair Disk" and it stopped quickly saying "Error: Couldn't unmount disk." So now I am running a verify.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas what could be wrong aside from a bad drive? I am about ready to order a new drive, and looking for recommendations. I would go for Thunderbolt but for the fact I might need to restore files to my mid-2010 MBP. Can that machine use a USB 3.0 drive? With 2.0 speed of course.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you might be able to offer.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:31 AM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Happened again last night. In Energy Saver I don't have "Put hard disks to sleep when possible" checked, and I do have "Enable Power Nap while plugged into a power adapter" checked, which is supposed to allow the Mac to perform Time Machine backups (and has for months).
>>>
>>> Again, the drive won't even eject. I'm performing another repair as we speak, but I think I will chicken out and look for a new external drive. Any suggestions? Again, I'm running a MBP Retina so can consider USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt, if one of those would make a big difference. Although, I don't think I could use those with my mid-2010 MBP if I needed to restore to that machine.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Mike. But when it happens to me I can't even eject the drive. I have to turn it off and suffer the ensuing scolding from OS X.
>>>>
>>>> This time I did a verify and it said I needed to do a repair. I did the repair and it reported it was OK, so we'll see.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 17, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Michael Stupinski <stupnski@tiac.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I encounter the same problem, Jim, also with a 2TB LaCie external, which is connected via Firewire to my i7 iMac running Mountain Lion. Disk Repair always reports it as OK. The first couple of times this happened, since nothing had I tried seemed to help, I erased the disk and restarted Time Machine. Each time, that fixed it for some time (although I lost all those backups).
>>>>>
>>>>> The next time it happened I ejected the backup disk, and then shut it down. Upon restarting the disk Time Machine restarted the backup and all the previous backups were still there. It still happens every week or two, but I do this every time it gives that error report and Time Machine chugs merrily on again. (Note: I have Energy Saver set to sleep hard disks when possible, and I think the disk's sleep status is involved but I haven't checked that since the method I use to correct the issue works.)
>>>>>
>>>>> ............Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Twice in the last two days I've awakened to the following Time Machine error message:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Unable to complete backup. An error occurred while creating the backup folder."
>>>>> >
>>>>> > After the first time I ran the Disk Utility's Repair Disk on it, and it verified OK. Then last night it happened again. Between I had some successful backups.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am running a young MBP Retina. It performs backups throughout the day and night, and when I am not using it I close the lid. The drive is a LaCie 2 TB USB 2.0 drive, closing in on three years old. It is used for nothing other than Time Machine backups. Is it dying? If so, what are your recommended replacements? With the new Retina I can now consider USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt, if one of those would make a big difference.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Best,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Daly
On Sep 20, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Jim McGarvie wrote:
>
>
> Thanks. Any particular recommendations for a 2 TB or better?
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@
>
>>
>> A USB 3.0 drive will be backwards compatible with USB 2.0
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>>
>> Apologies in advance for not trimming this message but I thought previous information might be helpful.
>>
>> Again this morning Time Machine reported "Unable to complete backup. An error occurred while creating the backup folder." When this occurred a couple of days ago Disk Utility Repair reported a good disk. This morning I tried a "Repair Disk" and it stopped quickly saying "Error: Couldn't unmount disk." So now I am running a verify.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas what could be wrong aside from a bad drive? I am about ready to order a new drive, and looking for recommendations. I would go for Thunderbolt but for the fact I might need to restore files to my mid-2010 MBP. Can that machine use a USB 3.0 drive? With 2.0 speed of course.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you might be able to offer.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:31 AM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.
>>
>>> Happened again last night. In Energy Saver I don't have "Put hard disks to sleep when possible" checked, and I do have "Enable Power Nap while plugged into a power adapter" checked, which is supposed to allow the Mac to perform Time Machine backups (and has for months).
>>>
>>> Again, the drive won't even eject. I'm performing another repair as we speak, but I think I will chicken out and look for a new external drive. Any suggestions? Again, I'm running a MBP Retina so can consider USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt, if one of those would make a big difference. Although, I don't think I could use those with my mid-2010 MBP if I needed to restore to that machine.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jim
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