I meant Mail Preferences, of corse.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "caribsea@..." <caribsea@...> wrote:
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> I don't know if it's Mail itself or something with at&t/bellsouth but I haven't been getting email in Mail. I receive email to my gmail.com address and email to my bellsouth does arrive in AT&T Webmail. In System Preferences>Accounts, my passwords have disappeared from both accounts and when I type them in, they disappear when I leave the page. I'm totally baffled. I hope somebody has a suggestion.
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> Willi
> OS X Lion
> iMac mid 2010 21.5"
> iPad2
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Re: Stumped by Mac Mail

Tue Jul 2, 2013 9:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, caribsea@bellsouth.net wrote:

> I don't know if it's Mail itself or something with at&t/bellsouth but I haven't been getting email in Mail.

See:

<https://kb.mediatemple.net/questions/230/Common+issues+with+Apple+Mail#gs/-not-receiving-email-->

http://support.apple.com/kb/ts3276

If all else fails, you can ask for help here:

<https://discussions.apple.com/community/mac_os/os_x_mountain_lion?view=discussions#/?tagSet=1466>

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Re: Need to clean up space on C drive

Tue Jul 2, 2013 9:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Patti A Robertson" parpiano

Thanks for that - always something new to learn in computer-land!

Patti

On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:23 PM, "Randy B. Singer" <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

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> On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Patti A Robertson wrote:
>
>> Randy, how does this information apply to SSD drives? Is it the same?
>
> No, it isn't the same at all. I need to update my Web site with regard to SSD's.
>
> You should *never* run a defragmentation program on an SSD. First, it will have no positive effect, because SSD's, even if the data on them is fragmented, aren't negatively effected by fragmentation because addressing is virtually instantaneous since there is no physical read/write head.
>
> Second, the process of defragmentation involves *a lot* of reading, copying, writing, and erasing of data. The media in an SSD is good for a limited number of write/erase cycles. Defragmentation would decrease the life span of your SSD. (Though, in practice, the life span of the latest SSD's is way longer than one is likely to ever have a given drive in service.) Even if lifespan is not in practice a concern, SSD's slow down as the number of write/erase cycles increase. So you definitely want to limit the number of write/erase cycles on your SSD.
>
> See:
>
> http://helpdeskgeek.com/featured-posts/should-you-defrag-an-ssd/
>
> "For avoidance of doubt, we strongly recommend that you don't try to defragment your SSD-based volumes. The fragmentation issue on SSDs is internal to their implementation, and defragmenting the filesystem would only make matters worse."
> http://www.coriolis-systems.com/blog/2009/04/real-world-fragmentation.php
>
> I know that someone will bring up hybrid-drives. I don't have specific information on them, but I strongly advice that you not use any disk utilities on a hybrid-drive that don't specifically say that they are for hybrid-drives. And to my knowledge, the only utility that says that it will specifically work with hybrid-drives on Macs is Apple's Disk Utility.
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Re: Need to clean up space on C drive

Tue Jul 2, 2013 11:33 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> Randy, which way are you arguing pro or con? That defraging does or does not need to be done manually?

Let me guess.
You're having trouble getting to Randy's website.
I am reasonably confident that "English as a second language" is NOT your problem.

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Re: Need to clean up space on C drive

Tue Jul 2, 2013 11:46 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Christopher Collins" cjc1959au

You can only have SSD drives if you stutter Patti! ;) LOL!

SSD=Solid State Drive

cjc

On 03/07/2013, at 1:43 PM, Patti A Robertson <pattiandken@charter.net> wrote:

> Randy, how does this information apply to SSD drives? Is it the same?
>
> I know you're right about the hard drive issue because I've experienced it, followed your recommendations and gotten things running smoothly again.
>
> Now I have a new machine (10 months old) and just wondered how SSD drives differ from hard drives. I'm obviously an amateur here…
>
> Patti
>
> On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:49 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>
>>> To *your* perspective the system is a 'fragmented mess'. To the system
>>> though its fine.
>>
>> Once again, you need to read my Web site and follow the links to citations there.
>>
>> This is an old and outdated argument. No authority espouses it anymore. All one has to do is hang out on a large Macintosh discussion list to hear regularly from folks whose drives are obviously getting on the too full side (but which appear to have lots of free total space available) and they are encountering flaky behavior because that free space isn't available to the OS because it is all fragmented.
>>
>> Arguing this topic is ludicrous. It's like arguing that the world is flat. As a quote says on my Web site, some folks just won't listen on this topic. So I won't try to change your mind. I just invite everyone to have a look at my Web site and the links offered there:
>>
>> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
>> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
>> Item #6 and Note#1
>>
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Sharing internet connection

Tue Jul 2, 2013 10:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Dave C" davec2468

In System Prefs > Sharing I have "Internet Sharing" checked and "To computers using: Airport" checked (although it's grayed-out).

The problem is that in order to share, Airport must be turned on, but when I turn it on the Mac defaults (I presume) to the Airport connection in the building rather than the Ethernet (the Airport is weak and slow -- the reason I prefer the Ethernet connection).

How do I get the Mac to get its internet access from Ethernet and share the bandwidth via Airport?

Seems a conundrum...

Thanks,
Dave

OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB

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Re: Sharing internet connection

Tue Jul 2, 2013 11:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Sys Prefs/ Network, create a location with Ethernet on top and WiFi below.

Then wire it (internet source) <--- Ethernet ---> to WAN port Airport LAN port <--- Ethernet ---> Mac (with WiFi turned off).

WiFi does tend to be slower than wired Ethernet, but is there something else that is slowing your WiFi? Like an old Airport BS or another WiFi device? the ABS will slow to the slowest item on the network.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Dave C wrote:

In System Prefs > Sharing I have "Internet Sharing" checked and "To computers using: Airport" checked (although it's grayed-out).

The problem is that in order to share, Airport must be turned on, but when I turn it on the Mac defaults (I presume) to the Airport connection in the building rather than the Ethernet (the Airport is weak and slow -- the reason I prefer the Ethernet connection).

How do I get the Mac to get its internet access from Ethernet and share the bandwidth via Airport?

Seems a conundrum...

Thanks,
Dave

OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB

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Re: Sharing internet connection

Tue Jul 2, 2013 11:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

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Re: Sharing internet connection

Tue Jul 2, 2013 11:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

>> In System Prefs > Sharing I have "Internet Sharing" checked and "To computers using: Airport" checked (although it's grayed-out).
>>
>> The problem is that in order to share, Airport must be turned on, but when I turn it on the Mac defaults (I presume) to the Airport connection in the building rather than the Ethernet (the Airport is weak and slow -- the reason I prefer the Ethernet connection).
>>
>> How do I get the Mac to get its internet access from Ethernet and share the bandwidth via Airport?
>
> Sys Prefs/ Network, create a location with Ethernet on top and WiFi below.
>
> Then wire it (internet source) <--- Ethernet ---> to WAN port Airport LAN port <--- Ethernet ---> Mac (with WiFi turned off).
>
> WiFi does tend to be slower than wired Ethernet, but is there something else that is slowing your WiFi? Like an old Airport BS or another WiFi device? the ABS will slow to the slowest item on the network.

I didn't see any reference to an Airport Base Station, so I presume he is referring to the Airport ability of the Mac itself.

On the other hand, it should be possible, in System Preferences -- Network, to set up an ethernet network designated as the primary net connection, and still have Airport turned on.

I'm not sure whether some "ad hoc network" will have to be set up with the Mac as source.

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Re: Sharing internet connection

Wed Jul 3, 2013 12:23 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Dave C" davec2468

> (internet source) <--- Ethernet ---> to WAN port Airport LAN port <--- Ethernet ---> Mac (with WiFi turned off).

Maybe I misunderstand how this Sharing thing works...

My Ethernet connection in my Mac is routed to the Airport antenna *inside the Mac* and broadcast from there. No Airport BS needed.(?)

Other (remote) Mac (or iDevice) just turns on WiFi and picks up the shared signal from the host Mac.(?)

At least that's how I pictured it...

Wrong?

Thanks,
Dave

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Re: Sharing internet connection

Wed Jul 3, 2013 1:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Jim,

you are correct. I missed understood Dave, he did not say he had an Airport BS.

Dave,

you mentioned that a part was greyed out, which means it is not available to you in that configuration. Also Airport does not mean WiFi or WiFi network.

I had assumed you had an Airport Base Station, a separate piece of hardware.

Are you are trying to make a Wireless Network with the Mac, separate from another WiFi network in the building? If so, follow the below:

- Sys Prefs> Networks, turn on WiFi, check Show WiFi status in menu bar
- click Advanced, check Require administrator authorization to: Create computer-to-computer networks
- Click WiFi in menu bar, scroll to bottom of list, click Create Network, proceed

You then need to use the Sharing Prefs to allow or dis-allow certain things to be done through the Mac. Sharing Prefs do not turn on the ability to create a WiFi network from the Mac.

Brent

On Jul 3, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Dave C wrote:

> (internet source) <--- Ethernet ---> to WAN port Airport LAN port <--- Ethernet ---> Mac (with WiFi turned off).

Maybe I misunderstand how this Sharing thing works...

My Ethernet connection in my Mac is routed to the Airport antenna *inside the Mac* and broadcast from there. No Airport BS needed.(?)

Other (remote) Mac (or iDevice) just turns on WiFi and picks up the shared signal from the host Mac.(?)

At least that's how I pictured it...

Wrong?

Thanks,
Dave

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I question the need to defrag

Wed Jul 3, 2013 1:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

This is a new thread taken from the old one: Re: [macsupport] Need to clean up space on C drive
---

Randy,

While I hold you in respect for many things related to Macs, I still disagree with you on defragmentation. And as a lawyer, I expected better reasoning than your repetitive reference to your web site, and what I found there.

The arguments you laid out in Item #6, all reference a HFS+ formatted hard drive. OS X 10.6 and beyond use a different formatting don't they? All of the references are relating to HFS+ formatting and are dated between 2002 and 2007 by people I do not recognize let alone recognize as experts, with the one exception of MicroMat Tech3, who has an axe to grind, or is that software to sell.

One article was not available at the referenced URL, so I searched for the title, and found

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10328197-263.html

from 2007, and again referring to HFS+, but stating:

"According Apple's advice, there are two scenarios under which you might need to defragment your drive:
You have many large files (such as digital videos)
Your disk is low on space (i.e. more than 90% full)"

And I agree with those reasons to defrag. Or better yet, in the case of digital video work, a creating a dedicated scratch partition. In the case of low free space, defraging is only short term solution, and increasing internal storage or getting external storage are better in the long term. And in a reply to another list member you stated it is better not to defrag a SSD. As I understand it, your reasoning there is correct.

The OP of the thread, "Need to clean up space on C drive", did not make clear what OS he is running, but it appears to be 10.7.4 or later since he is using a MBP with Retina display. This makes it unlikely he is using a HFS+ formatted disk. He gave no indication of what he is doing with his Mac, so the assumption that he needs a large free space for digital video or other work, or that he is low on space is not discernible. That he is running low on free space is possible, but not indicated.

It is more likely from his choice of subject line, that he is trying to carry over an old Windows habit, by the use of the term "C drive". But that he has a Retina display, it is also possible that he has a SSD, for which defragging is not recommended.

I'm sorry, Randy, but on this subject, I find your argument weak. Like I began, I hold you in respect in many things related to Macs, but not this. The intro to your web site suggests it is time to update it. You last updated the copyright 3 years ago and state that it is about OS X 10.2 - 10.6. There have been lots of changes since the Intel-Macs.

Charles stated he wants to do is to remove large files and clean up. Cleaning up usually does not make that much space and as you and I know can cause other problems, like Adobe's insistence of keeping all the language files. To locate large files, that is easy, open a new window, click on the hard drive, put it into list view and sort by descending size.

Randy, your little finger knows more about Macs than I do, but your argument on defragging does not hold water.

Humbly,

Brent

- Keep It Simple, Sam!

On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:

> Randy, which way are you arguing pro or con? That defraging does or does not need to be done manually?

This is at least the 6th time that I've said this...read what it has to say on my Web site. All will be answered there. From there you can make up your own mind. That's why I created the site.

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
Item #6 and Note #1

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Re: I question the need to defrag

Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:33 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger

On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:06 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:

> The arguments you laid out in Item #6, all reference a HFS+ formatted hard drive. OS X 10.6 and beyond use a different formatting don't they?

Nope. They use the same exact formatting. "HFS+" = "Mac OS Extended" and that's what is used right up to today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HFS%2B

So all of the references on my Web site still apply. And more to the point, Mac users still have problems if their computers become too fragmented, and those problems are still remedied by defragmenting their hard drive. I believe that you have already heard from a couple of users who have testified to that in this very discussion thread.

> Randy, your little finger knows more about Macs than I do, but your argument on defragging does not hold water.

I guess that it might seem that way if you are going on the fallacious assumption that Apple changed their file system. They didn't.(And of course, there would have to be some additional evidence that something about any new file system was significantly different and that it changes things.)

You may want to do a Google search for newer articles that say that the older articles that I cited are now wrong. Be prepared for a long search...you won't find any.

(It's moments like these that make me want to take down my Web sites and just say "f_ck it!" It took me months to create that site. I haven't made a cent from it, in fact I pay to keep it up. Yet there are regularly people who want to give me grief and tell me how wrong this or that bit of information on the site is, without a single citation of their own, nothing to back up their argument, just "I don't believe it." I'd be thrilled to have input from folks with conflicting information if they could offer a good explanation backed up with several authoritative citations. I'd simply add that information to the site. But the people who pull stuff from their behinds and just want to argue need to get a life.)

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Re: Playing .wma Music Files?

Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

On 2 July 2013 23:32, Carol <botteron@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>
> Thank you, but that doesn't work either. Maybe the Mac doesn't read files
> correctly from a PC formatted thumb drive?
>

It won't be that. USB flash drives (and CF/SD cards) are formatted as FAT
by default. This is readable (and writable) on any Mac. Even if yours is
formatted as NTFS (the current MS format), it would still be readable.

You can check the format using Applications > Utilities > Disk Utility.

Otto

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Re: Playing .wma Music Files?

Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:47 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

On 3 July 2013 01:23, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

>
> Microsoft also loves proprietary file formats.
>

Yes. I remember some weird format that was used within an AVI container
that you couldn't read on a Mac whatever you did, and it was *not*
DRM-protected.

But DRM seems the most likely reason with a WMA file, and this would not be
readable even on another PC without the DRM "key".

MP3 is the most universal compressed format so that is what I would ask
for.

Otto

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