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Mon Sep 2, 2013 12:53 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"David Brostoff" dcbrostoff
On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:37 , Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
> I used "training"; software over the years and several different
> server/client tools for email. I was unimpressed by the work involved that
> still resulted in false positives that meant I had to inspect my SPAM for
> legit mail which defeats the point since my email address I have had since
> 1996 gets such a high volume.
Sorry if I am not understanding, but whatever type of spam filter is employed, you will always have to inspect a spam folder for false positives.
In any event, how is Gmail different in that respect?
David
> I used "training"
> server/client tools for email. I was unimpressed by the work involved that
> still resulted in false positives that meant I had to inspect my SPAM for
> legit mail which defeats the point since my email address I have had since
> 1996 gets such a high volume.
Sorry if I am not understanding, but whatever type of spam filter is employed, you will always have to inspect a spam folder for false positives.
In any event, how is Gmail different in that respect?
David
Mon Sep 2, 2013 1:07 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll
I inspected messages in the Gmail SPAM label often and just never found
false positives.
They just have a great algorithm and large user base so they identify SPAM
very well without dropping good mail into SPAM folder.
Whereas my previous experience was a lot of legit mail ended up in my SPAM
folder many pieces a day. Even mail from people who write we frequently
ended up there. Just really bad algorithms.
I get about 5,000 pieces of SPAM a week, so systems that accidentally put
legit mail in my SPAM folder make me have to do a lot of speed reading to
find legit mails. I prefer a system that gets it right -- and the systems I
tried even after training still had a LOT of false positives.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:53 PM, David Brostoff <davbro@earthlink.net > wrote:
> **
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:37 , Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
>
> > I used "training"; software over the years and several different
> > server/client tools for email. I was unimpressed by the work involved
> that
> > still resulted in false positives that meant I had to inspect my SPAM for
> > legit mail which defeats the point since my email address I have had
> since
> > 1996 gets such a high volume.
>
> Sorry if I am not understanding, but whatever type of spam filter is
> employed, you will always have to inspect a spam folder for false positives.
>
> In any event, how is Gmail different in that respect?
>
> David
>
>
>
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false positives.
They just have a great algorithm and large user base so they identify SPAM
very well without dropping good mail into SPAM folder.
Whereas my previous experience was a lot of legit mail ended up in my SPAM
folder many pieces a day. Even mail from people who write we frequently
ended up there. Just really bad algorithms.
I get about 5,000 pieces of SPAM a week, so systems that accidentally put
legit mail in my SPAM folder make me have to do a lot of speed reading to
find legit mails. I prefer a system that gets it right -- and the systems I
tried even after training still had a LOT of false positives.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:53 PM, David Brostoff <davbro@earthlink.
> **
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:37 , Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
>
> > I used "training"
> > server/client tools for email. I was unimpressed by the work involved
> that
> > still resulted in false positives that meant I had to inspect my SPAM for
> > legit mail which defeats the point since my email address I have had
> since
> > 1996 gets such a high volume.
>
> Sorry if I am not understanding, but whatever type of spam filter is
> employed, you will always have to inspect a spam folder for false positives.
>
> In any event, how is Gmail different in that respect?
>
> David
>
>
>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 2:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Showalter" jshowalt94127
I have a gmail account that I use very infrequently. Whenever I do use it, it seems like I get several spam messages from google itself. And I still get spam messages that gmail doesn't catch, a lot.
My regular ISP, Earthlink, catches most of the spam coming to my mindspring.com account. When it misses one I forward the message to their junkmail processor and never see them again.
On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:29 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> And I avoid gmail, because I don't think my ISP needs to review my email. I'm not talking about Prism.
>
> You aren't willing to turn on the filters, but you are willing to allow others to read your email. If you had turned it on long ago, the filters would have learned and we would not be having this discussion.
>
> Brent
> - You know what Ben Franklin said about liberties and security.
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Charles Carroll wrote:
>
> For all those suggesting "training"; that is very time consuming compared to
> Gmail that works well.
>
> For 5+ years it seems to catch every SPAM that comes to me and place in
> SPAM without sticking my good stuff in SPAM even on the groups where I get
> 500-1000 pieces of mail a day from - I am on many groups.
>
> I just mention it before people start spending money and time on something
> where a FREE and no time option exists.
>
> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.com so
> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Charles Lenington <macsonly@brightok.net >wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > On 9/1/13 11:38 AM, James Robertson wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 1, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Jim Hamm <machamm@gmail.com > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here<
> > http://www.maclife.com/article/columns/maclife_101_how_filter_spam_apple_mail
> >>
> >>> is
> >>> an articles to read that should help....Jim
> >>
> >> Thanks for the link! I should have mentioned in my original post that I
> > DO have Apple's "Junk Mail Filter" turned on using mostly the default
> > configuration; actually, I'm one level up from the defaults: if Mail.app
> > catches something, I have it divert the message to the Junk folder, but
> > there's still a steady stream (I'd guess more than 20 messages per day) of
> > this stuff that reaches my inbox NOT caught either by my ISP or by the
> > Mail.app Junk filter.
> >>
> >> Basically, your suggestion boils down to "spend some time TRAINING
> > Mail.app's junk filter. If that works, I'll be a happy camper. However, so
> > far as I know, the results of that training are not available to me; i.e.,
> > even if doing this keeps my inbox more clean, I won't know what is telling
> > the Mail.app junk filter to divert the spam (my ISP's "spamassassin" adds a
> > few lines to the mail header that report how it compiles its score.
> >>
> >> I get enough of this crap that it shouldn't take long to figure out
> > whether alerting Mail.app message by message helps.
> >>
> >> My sense is that the stuff must be pretty carefully crafted in order to
> > avoid triggering server-side recognition my my ISP's "spamassassin"
> > program. I'm reading about spamsieve now, to get a sense whether that might
> > be a useful "escalation of force" tool.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > My isp uses Powered by Proofpoint Protection Server
> >
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proofpoint,_Inc.
> >
> > It still misses some. I even train FF and it misses the misses. I think
> > the spammers change daily.
> >
> >
> >
>
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My regular ISP, Earthlink, catches most of the spam coming to my mindspring.com account. When it misses one I forward the message to their junkmail processor and never see them again.
On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:29 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> And I avoid gmail, because I don't think my ISP needs to review my email. I'm not talking about Prism.
>
> You aren't willing to turn on the filters, but you are willing to allow others to read your email. If you had turned it on long ago, the filters would have learned and we would not be having this discussion.
>
> Brent
> - You know what Ben Franklin said about liberties and security.
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Charles Carroll wrote:
>
> For all those suggesting "training"
> Gmail that works well.
>
> For 5+ years it seems to catch every SPAM that comes to me and place in
> SPAM without sticking my good stuff in SPAM even on the groups where I get
> 500-1000 pieces of mail a day from - I am on many groups.
>
> I just mention it before people start spending money and time on something
> where a FREE and no time option exists.
>
> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.com so
> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Charles Lenington <macsonly@brightok.
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > On 9/1/13 11:38 AM, James Robertson wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 1, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Jim Hamm <machamm@gmail.
> >>
> >>> Here<
> > http://www.maclife.
> >>
> >>> is
> >>> an articles to read that should help....Jim
> >>
> >> Thanks for the link! I should have mentioned in my original post that I
> > DO have Apple's "Junk Mail Filter" turned on using mostly the default
> > configuration; actually, I'm one level up from the defaults: if Mail.app
> > catches something, I have it divert the message to the Junk folder, but
> > there's still a steady stream (I'd guess more than 20 messages per day) of
> > this stuff that reaches my inbox NOT caught either by my ISP or by the
> > Mail.app Junk filter.
> >>
> >> Basically, your suggestion boils down to "spend some time TRAINING
> > Mail.app'
> > far as I know, the results of that training are not available to me; i.e.,
> > even if doing this keeps my inbox more clean, I won't know what is telling
> > the Mail.app junk filter to divert the spam (my ISP's "spamassassin&
> > few lines to the mail header that report how it compiles its score.
> >>
> >> I get enough of this crap that it shouldn'
> > whether alerting Mail.app message by message helps.
> >>
> >> My sense is that the stuff must be pretty carefully crafted in order to
> > avoid triggering server-side recognition my my ISP's "spamassassin&
> > program. I'm reading about spamsieve now, to get a sense whether that might
> > be a useful "escalation of force" tool.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > My isp uses Powered by Proofpoint Protection Server
> >
> >> http://en.wikipedia
> >
> > It still misses some. I even train FF and it misses the misses. I think
> > the spammers change daily.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 2:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Charles,
Take a look at the below. Gmail's filters can't do any better with out stopping too much of the good email. Mail's filters have caught nearly 40% of the spam that got through my ISP, and they all use spam filter's to lower their overhead.
Look at the the analysis of the how and why of each spam. I have 6 e-ddresses and use an alias of one for resumes, so say 7 accounts. Note that I received several spam that were redistributed by lists I am on and one was from harvesting one of those lists.
Otto's claim of 1 or 2 a week, and all this spam filter discussion made me look at what got by my ISP's filters, and got caught by the other filters I use.
Looks like I am even with Otto, if I were to turn off Mail's filters, or I have about half that I either manually have to deal with or create a Rule for. Even counting in the dups mentioned below, were both in the same ball park.
I know his is an estimate, and mine is a small sample, so I will only say there are close to being the same.
Brent
Date acct caught by
8/30 list manually (3 dups, counted as 1, since it was sent to the list and not individuals on the list),
from member of another list's computer got hacked, & sent to the list by a bot
This is very, very rare on this by-invitation only list. (We've had only maybe a dozen plus in 12 years.)
8/27 W Rule former co-worker, gone off the deep end
8/23 J Rule my user name incorrect, got by Facebook's filters, sex
8/17 R manually sex
8/13 J Mail's filter got by Linkedin's filters
8/5 J Rule got by Facebook's filters, sex
7/18 list manually sent to macsupportcentral list
7/16 J Mail's filter also sent to other macsupportcentral members
7/14 J Mail's filters wrong user name, political
7/14 W Mail's filters former co-worker's email Facebook account got hacked
7/12 C manually my eddy not included, but in my C mailbox, fake job offer.
Total spam in 60 days, 11 (3 dups, counted as 1)
caught by the Mail's filters 4
caught by My Rules 3
caught manually 4 (3 dups, counted as 1)
3 of the above were repeats from a bot using a spoofed e-ddress.
1 from a hacked Facebook account
3 got past Facebook or Linkedin filters
4 were sent to a list and redistributed to list members (3 dups)
1 was using eddys harvested from macsupportcentral
2 were to a _very_ old, but corrupted user name, some one is still selling a very old list of targets
3 were caught by Rules,
1 created to 86 a former co-worker's rants, or
2 using a very old target list using a corrupted user name (from Facebook for "companionship"), those old lists never die
4 of 11 were caught by Mail's filters.
Of the manually caught, 2 of 4 went to a list and was redistributed
Of the manually caught, 1 was sent to the eddy on my resume, as was obviously "companionship".
Of the manually caught, 1, I assume was sent to my resume eddy, but was hidden, for a fake job offer.
All of the manually caught were obvious spam in 2 seconds. None showed any pattern, other than the 2 using a very old corrupted user name and from Facebook.
I have many accounts, 2 are used on lists. I get about 1000 - 1500 non-work related emails a month.
On Sep 2, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
I've been using Gmail for almost 8 years and also found that I get hardly
any spam, maybe 1 or 2 per week at most.
Otto
On 2 September 2013 11:57, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
> For all those suggesting "training"; that is very time consuming compared to
> Gmail that works well.
>
> For 5+ years it seems to catch every SPAM that comes to me and place in
> SPAM without sticking my good stuff in SPAM even on the groups where I get
> 500-1000 pieces of mail a day from - I am on many groups.
>
> I just mention it before people start spending money and time on something
> where a FREE and no time option exists.
>
>
> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.com so
> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Take a look at the below. Gmail's filters can't do any better with out stopping too much of the good email. Mail's filters have caught nearly 40% of the spam that got through my ISP, and they all use spam filter's to lower their overhead.
Look at the the analysis of the how and why of each spam. I have 6 e-ddresses and use an alias of one for resumes, so say 7 accounts. Note that I received several spam that were redistributed by lists I am on and one was from harvesting one of those lists.
Otto's claim of 1 or 2 a week, and all this spam filter discussion made me look at what got by my ISP's filters, and got caught by the other filters I use.
Looks like I am even with Otto, if I were to turn off Mail's filters, or I have about half that I either manually have to deal with or create a Rule for. Even counting in the dups mentioned below, were both in the same ball park.
I know his is an estimate, and mine is a small sample, so I will only say there are close to being the same.
Brent
Date acct caught by
8/30 list manually (3 dups, counted as 1, since it was sent to the list and not individuals on the list),
from member of another list's computer got hacked, & sent to the list by a bot
This is very, very rare on this by-invitation only list. (We've had only maybe a dozen plus in 12 years.)
8/27 W Rule former co-worker, gone off the deep end
8/23 J Rule my user name incorrect, got by Facebook'
8/17 R manually sex
8/13 J Mail's filter got by Linkedin'
8/5 J Rule got by Facebook'
7/18 list manually sent to macsupportcentral list
7/16 J Mail's filter also sent to other macsupportcentral members
7/14 J Mail's filters wrong user name, political
7/14 W Mail's filters former co-worker'
7/12 C manually my eddy not included, but in my C mailbox, fake job offer.
Total spam in 60 days, 11 (3 dups, counted as 1)
caught by the Mail's filters 4
caught by My Rules 3
caught manually 4 (3 dups, counted as 1)
3 of the above were repeats from a bot using a spoofed e-ddress.
1 from a hacked Facebook account
3 got past Facebook or Linkedin filters
4 were sent to a list and redistributed to list members (3 dups)
1 was using eddys harvested from macsupportcentral
2 were to a _very_ old, but corrupted user name, some one is still selling a very old list of targets
3 were caught by Rules,
1 created to 86 a former co-worker'
2 using a very old target list using a corrupted user name (from Facebook for "companionship
4 of 11 were caught by Mail's filters.
Of the manually caught, 2 of 4 went to a list and was redistributed
Of the manually caught, 1 was sent to the eddy on my resume, as was obviously "companionship
Of the manually caught, 1, I assume was sent to my resume eddy, but was hidden, for a fake job offer.
All of the manually caught were obvious spam in 2 seconds. None showed any pattern, other than the 2 using a very old corrupted user name and from Facebook.
I have many accounts, 2 are used on lists. I get about 1000 - 1500 non-work related emails a month.
On Sep 2, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
I've been using Gmail for almost 8 years and also found that I get hardly
any spam, maybe 1 or 2 per week at most.
Otto
On 2 September 2013 11:57, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
> For all those suggesting "training"
> Gmail that works well.
>
> For 5+ years it seems to catch every SPAM that comes to me and place in
> SPAM without sticking my good stuff in SPAM even on the groups where I get
> 500-1000 pieces of mail a day from - I am on many groups.
>
> I just mention it before people start spending money and time on something
> where a FREE and no time option exists.
>
>
> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.com so
> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 2:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Most apps that learn will continue to learn as you continue to use them.
On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:21 AM, James Robertson wrote:
<snip>
I read glowing reviews about spamsieve (but it does require at least some training).
Just in the 24 hours since I started marking some of the incoming messages that are obvious spam but not caught by my isp as "Junk" using Mail.app, the program seems to have improved a BIT at catching them.
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On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:21 AM, James Robertson wrote:
<snip>
I read glowing reviews about spamsieve (but it does require at least some training).
Just in the 24 hours since I started marking some of the incoming messages that are obvious spam but not caught by my isp as "Junk" using Mail.app, the program seems to have improved a BIT at catching them.
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 2:33 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll
Between 4-5pm on a Holiday like today I got 49 pieces of SPAM that
went into my SPAM folder. There were no legit mails in that set
either.
In the past I used to have to deal with a lot of SPAM that was in my
legit InBox (I usually had to mark over 100 pieces of SPAM manually
many days) and I had to look through over 1,500 pieces of SPAM a day
and typically found 6-12 legit emails in there. IN MY EXPERIENCE with
GMail it has been well over a year (maybe several years) since I saw
any legit mail in the SPAM folder and if I had to mark 2 dozen pieces
of mail as SPAM a month it would be an excessive month.
While others may get different results back in the days when I used
Barracuda and MailWasher and in my corporate Outlook accounts I do not
get as good a results.
While others may get worse or better results I am telling you based on
my experience with a high volume mail account (mine) and almost no
tranining GMail catches my SPAM very well and does not mis-categorize
my legit mail. Those who have different experience are welcome to
comment but I am sharing my experience with the service.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:15 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> Charles,
>
> Take a look at the below. Gmail's filters can't do any better with out stopping too much of the good email. Mail's filters have caught nearly 40% of the spam that got through my ISP, and they all use spam filter's to lower their overhead.
>
> Look at the the analysis of the how and why of each spam. I have 6 e-ddresses and use an alias of one for resumes, so say 7 accounts. Note that I received several spam that were redistributed by lists I am on and one was from harvesting one of those lists.
>
> Otto's claim of 1 or 2 a week, and all this spam filter discussion made me look at what got by my ISP's filters, and got caught by the other filters I use.
>
> Looks like I am even with Otto, if I were to turn off Mail's filters, or I have about half that I either manually have to deal with or create a Rule for. Even counting in the dups mentioned below, were both in the same ball park.
>
> I know his is an estimate, and mine is a small sample, so I will only say there are close to being the same.
>
> Brent
>
> Date acct caught by
> 8/30 list manually (3 dups, counted as 1, since it was sent to the list and not individuals on the list),
> from member of another list's computer got hacked, & sent to the list by a bot
> This is very, very rare on this by-invitation only list. (We've had only maybe a dozen plus in 12 years.)
> 8/27 W Rule former co-worker, gone off the deep end
> 8/23 J Rule my user name incorrect, got by Facebook's filters, sex
> 8/17 R manually sex
> 8/13 J Mail's filter got by Linkedin's filters
> 8/5 J Rule got by Facebook's filters, sex
> 7/18 list manually sent to macsupportcentral list
> 7/16 J Mail's filter also sent to other macsupportcentral members
> 7/14 J Mail's filters wrong user name, political
> 7/14 W Mail's filters former co-worker's email Facebook account got hacked
> 7/12 C manually my eddy not included, but in my C mailbox, fake job offer.
>
>
> Total spam in 60 days, 11 (3 dups, counted as 1)
> caught by the Mail's filters 4
> caught by My Rules 3
> caught manually 4 (3 dups, counted as 1)
>
> 3 of the above were repeats from a bot using a spoofed e-ddress.
> 1 from a hacked Facebook account
> 3 got past Facebook or Linkedin filters
> 4 were sent to a list and redistributed to list members (3 dups)
> 1 was using eddys harvested from macsupportcentral
> 2 were to a _very_ old, but corrupted user name, some one is still selling a very old list of targets
>
> 3 were caught by Rules,
> 1 created to 86 a former co-worker's rants, or
> 2 using a very old target list using a corrupted user name (from Facebook for "companionship"), those old lists never die
> 4 of 11 were caught by Mail's filters.
> Of the manually caught, 2 of 4 went to a list and was redistributed
> Of the manually caught, 1 was sent to the eddy on my resume, as was obviously "companionship".
> Of the manually caught, 1, I assume was sent to my resume eddy, but was hidden, for a fake job offer.
> All of the manually caught were obvious spam in 2 seconds. None showed any pattern, other than the 2 using a very old corrupted user name and from Facebook.
>
> I have many accounts, 2 are used on lists. I get about 1000 - 1500 non-work related emails a month.
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
> I've been using Gmail for almost 8 years and also found that I get hardly
> any spam, maybe 1 or 2 per week at most.
>
> Otto
>
> On 2 September 2013 11:57, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
>
>> For all those suggesting "training"; that is very time consuming compared to
>> Gmail that works well.
>>
>> For 5+ years it seems to catch every SPAM that comes to me and place in
>> SPAM without sticking my good stuff in SPAM even on the groups where I get
>> 500-1000 pieces of mail a day from - I am on many groups.
>>
>> I just mention it before people start spending money and time on something
>> where a FREE and no time option exists.
>>
>>
>> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.com so
>> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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went into my SPAM folder. There were no legit mails in that set
either.
In the past I used to have to deal with a lot of SPAM that was in my
legit InBox (I usually had to mark over 100 pieces of SPAM manually
many days) and I had to look through over 1,500 pieces of SPAM a day
and typically found 6-12 legit emails in there. IN MY EXPERIENCE with
GMail it has been well over a year (maybe several years) since I saw
any legit mail in the SPAM folder and if I had to mark 2 dozen pieces
of mail as SPAM a month it would be an excessive month.
While others may get different results back in the days when I used
Barracuda and MailWasher and in my corporate Outlook accounts I do not
get as good a results.
While others may get worse or better results I am telling you based on
my experience with a high volume mail account (mine) and almost no
tranining GMail catches my SPAM very well and does not mis-categorize
my legit mail. Those who have different experience are welcome to
comment but I am sharing my experience with the service.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:15 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> Charles,
>
> Take a look at the below. Gmail's filters can't do any better with out stopping too much of the good email. Mail's filters have caught nearly 40% of the spam that got through my ISP, and they all use spam filter's to lower their overhead.
>
> Look at the the analysis of the how and why of each spam. I have 6 e-ddresses and use an alias of one for resumes, so say 7 accounts. Note that I received several spam that were redistributed by lists I am on and one was from harvesting one of those lists.
>
> Otto's claim of 1 or 2 a week, and all this spam filter discussion made me look at what got by my ISP's filters, and got caught by the other filters I use.
>
> Looks like I am even with Otto, if I were to turn off Mail's filters, or I have about half that I either manually have to deal with or create a Rule for. Even counting in the dups mentioned below, were both in the same ball park.
>
> I know his is an estimate, and mine is a small sample, so I will only say there are close to being the same.
>
> Brent
>
> Date acct caught by
> 8/30 list manually (3 dups, counted as 1, since it was sent to the list and not individuals on the list),
> from member of another list's computer got hacked, & sent to the list by a bot
> This is very, very rare on this by-invitation only list. (We've had only maybe a dozen plus in 12 years.)
> 8/27 W Rule former co-worker, gone off the deep end
> 8/23 J Rule my user name incorrect, got by Facebook'
> 8/17 R manually sex
> 8/13 J Mail's filter got by Linkedin'
> 8/5 J Rule got by Facebook'
> 7/18 list manually sent to macsupportcentral list
> 7/16 J Mail's filter also sent to other macsupportcentral members
> 7/14 J Mail's filters wrong user name, political
> 7/14 W Mail's filters former co-worker'
> 7/12 C manually my eddy not included, but in my C mailbox, fake job offer.
>
>
> Total spam in 60 days, 11 (3 dups, counted as 1)
> caught by the Mail's filters 4
> caught by My Rules 3
> caught manually 4 (3 dups, counted as 1)
>
> 3 of the above were repeats from a bot using a spoofed e-ddress.
> 1 from a hacked Facebook account
> 3 got past Facebook or Linkedin filters
> 4 were sent to a list and redistributed to list members (3 dups)
> 1 was using eddys harvested from macsupportcentral
> 2 were to a _very_ old, but corrupted user name, some one is still selling a very old list of targets
>
> 3 were caught by Rules,
> 1 created to 86 a former co-worker'
> 2 using a very old target list using a corrupted user name (from Facebook for "companionship
> 4 of 11 were caught by Mail's filters.
> Of the manually caught, 2 of 4 went to a list and was redistributed
> Of the manually caught, 1 was sent to the eddy on my resume, as was obviously "companionship
> Of the manually caught, 1, I assume was sent to my resume eddy, but was hidden, for a fake job offer.
> All of the manually caught were obvious spam in 2 seconds. None showed any pattern, other than the 2 using a very old corrupted user name and from Facebook.
>
> I have many accounts, 2 are used on lists. I get about 1000 - 1500 non-work related emails a month.
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
> I've been using Gmail for almost 8 years and also found that I get hardly
> any spam, maybe 1 or 2 per week at most.
>
> Otto
>
> On 2 September 2013 11:57, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
>
>> For all those suggesting "training"
>> Gmail that works well.
>>
>> For 5+ years it seems to catch every SPAM that comes to me and place in
>> SPAM without sticking my good stuff in SPAM even on the groups where I get
>> 500-1000 pieces of mail a day from - I am on many groups.
>>
>> I just mention it before people start spending money and time on something
>> where a FREE and no time option exists.
>>
>>
>> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.com so
>> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 2:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
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> - You know what Ben Franklin said about liberties and security.
"If it's on the internet, it must be true."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 3:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Charles,
Since you are speaking of commercial email for a commercial site, your issues are very different than what the OP, James Robertson is experiencing, or likely to encounter.
May I politely, suggest you start your own thread on the subject with a different subject line, so as not to confuse the OP's thread?
"5,000 pieces of SPAM a week" is more spam than many company email servers deal with in a week. That is more like a large corporation.
What works or needs to be considered by a commercial e-ddress, does not necessarily apply to a individual's e-ddress.
Brent
On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Charles Carroll wrote:
I inspected messages in the Gmail SPAM label often and just never found
false positives.
They just have a great algorithm and large user base so they identify SPAM
very well without dropping good mail into SPAM folder.
Whereas my previous experience was a lot of legit mail ended up in my SPAM
folder many pieces a day. Even mail from people who write we frequently
ended up there. Just really bad algorithms.
I get about 5,000 pieces of SPAM a week, so systems that accidentally put
legit mail in my SPAM folder make me have to do a lot of speed reading to
find legit mails. I prefer a system that gets it right -- and the systems I
tried even after training still had a LOT of false positives.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:53 PM, David Brostoff <davbro@earthlink.net > wrote:
> **
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:37 , Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
>
>> I used "training"; software over the years and several different
>> server/client tools for email. I was unimpressed by the work involved
> that
>> still resulted in false positives that meant I had to inspect my SPAM for
>> legit mail which defeats the point since my email address I have had
> since
>> 1996 gets such a high volume.
>
> Sorry if I am not understanding, but whatever type of spam filter is
> employed, you will always have to inspect a spam folder for false positives.
>
> In any event, how is Gmail different in that respect?
>
> David
>
>
>
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Since you are speaking of commercial email for a commercial site, your issues are very different than what the OP, James Robertson is experiencing, or likely to encounter.
May I politely, suggest you start your own thread on the subject with a different subject line, so as not to confuse the OP's thread?
"5,000 pieces of SPAM a week" is more spam than many company email servers deal with in a week. That is more like a large corporation.
What works or needs to be considered by a commercial e-ddress, does not necessarily apply to a individual&#
Brent
On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Charles Carroll wrote:
I inspected messages in the Gmail SPAM label often and just never found
false positives.
They just have a great algorithm and large user base so they identify SPAM
very well without dropping good mail into SPAM folder.
Whereas my previous experience was a lot of legit mail ended up in my SPAM
folder many pieces a day. Even mail from people who write we frequently
ended up there. Just really bad algorithms.
I get about 5,000 pieces of SPAM a week, so systems that accidentally put
legit mail in my SPAM folder make me have to do a lot of speed reading to
find legit mails. I prefer a system that gets it right -- and the systems I
tried even after training still had a LOT of false positives.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:53 PM, David Brostoff <davbro@earthlink.
> **
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:37 , Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
>
>> I used "training"
>> server/client tools for email. I was unimpressed by the work involved
> that
>> still resulted in false positives that meant I had to inspect my SPAM for
>> legit mail which defeats the point since my email address I have had
> since
>> 1996 gets such a high volume.
>
> Sorry if I am not understanding, but whatever type of spam filter is
> employed, you will always have to inspect a spam folder for false positives.
>
> In any event, how is Gmail different in that respect?
>
> David
>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 3:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Then how do you know that you get "5,000 pieces of SPAM a week"? Especially if Gmail is doing such a great job for you?
How much total email do you get in a week?
I would not expect a personal spam filter app to work well on corporate Outlook accounts. It is not made for a corporate environment.
I know I just posted it, and you have not had time to read it, but may I politely suggest that you start a new thread if you are having a problem with spam on a company or corporate email setting. That would stop confusing the OP's thread with stuff that does not apply to his situation or that of most of the list members.
Brent
On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Charles Carroll wrote:
Between 4-5pm on a Holiday like today I got 49 pieces of SPAM that
went into my SPAM folder. There were no legit mails in that set
either.
In the past I used to have to deal with a lot of SPAM that was in my
legit InBox (I usually had to mark over 100 pieces of SPAM manually
many days) and I had to look through over 1,500 pieces of SPAM a day
and typically found 6-12 legit emails in there. IN MY EXPERIENCE with
GMail it has been well over a year (maybe several years) since I saw
any legit mail in the SPAM folder and if I had to mark 2 dozen pieces
of mail as SPAM a month it would be an excessive month.
While others may get different results back in the days when I used
Barracuda and MailWasher and in my corporate Outlook accounts I do not
get as good a results.
While others may get worse or better results I am telling you based on
my experience with a high volume mail account (mine) and almost no
tranining GMail catches my SPAM very well and does not mis-categorize
my legit mail. Those who have different experience are welcome to
comment but I am sharing my experience with the service.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:15 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> Charles,
>
> Take a look at the below. Gmail's filters can't do any better with out stopping too much of the good email. Mail's filters have caught nearly 40% of the spam that got through my ISP, and they all use spam filter's to lower their overhead.
>
> Look at the the analysis of the how and why of each spam. I have 6 e-ddresses and use an alias of one for resumes, so say 7 accounts. Note that I received several spam that were redistributed by lists I am on and one was from harvesting one of those lists.
>
> Otto's claim of 1 or 2 a week, and all this spam filter discussion made me look at what got by my ISP's filters, and got caught by the other filters I use.
>
> Looks like I am even with Otto, if I were to turn off Mail's filters, or I have about half that I either manually have to deal with or create a Rule for. Even counting in the dups mentioned below, were both in the same ball park.
>
> I know his is an estimate, and mine is a small sample, so I will only say there are close to being the same.
>
> Brent
>
> Date acct caught by
> 8/30 list manually (3 dups, counted as 1, since it was sent to the list and not individuals on the list),
> from member of another list's computer got hacked, & sent to the list by a bot
> This is very, very rare on this by-invitation only list. (We've had only maybe a dozen plus in 12 years.)
> 8/27 W Rule former co-worker, gone off the deep end
> 8/23 J Rule my user name incorrect, got by Facebook's filters, sex
> 8/17 R manually sex
> 8/13 J Mail's filter got by Linkedin's filters
> 8/5 J Rule got by Facebook's filters, sex
> 7/18 list manually sent to macsupportcentral list
> 7/16 J Mail's filter also sent to other macsupportcentral members
> 7/14 J Mail's filters wrong user name, political
> 7/14 W Mail's filters former co-worker's email Facebook account got hacked
> 7/12 C manually my eddy not included, but in my C mailbox, fake job offer.
>
>
> Total spam in 60 days, 11 (3 dups, counted as 1)
> caught by the Mail's filters 4
> caught by My Rules 3
> caught manually 4 (3 dups, counted as 1)
>
> 3 of the above were repeats from a bot using a spoofed e-ddress.
> 1 from a hacked Facebook account
> 3 got past Facebook or Linkedin filters
> 4 were sent to a list and redistributed to list members (3 dups)
> 1 was using eddys harvested from macsupportcentral
> 2 were to a _very_ old, but corrupted user name, some one is still selling a very old list of targets
>
> 3 were caught by Rules,
> 1 created to 86 a former co-worker's rants, or
> 2 using a very old target list using a corrupted user name (from Facebook for "companionship"), those old lists never die
> 4 of 11 were caught by Mail's filters.
> Of the manually caught, 2 of 4 went to a list and was redistributed
> Of the manually caught, 1 was sent to the eddy on my resume, as was obviously "companionship".
> Of the manually caught, 1, I assume was sent to my resume eddy, but was hidden, for a fake job offer.
> All of the manually caught were obvious spam in 2 seconds. None showed any pattern, other than the 2 using a very old corrupted user name and from Facebook.
>
> I have many accounts, 2 are used on lists. I get about 1000 - 1500 non-work related emails a month.
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
> I've been using Gmail for almost 8 years and also found that I get hardly
> any spam, maybe 1 or 2 per week at most.
>
> Otto
>
> On 2 September 2013 11:57, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
>
>> For all those suggesting "training"; that is very time consuming compared to
>> Gmail that works well.
>>
>> For 5+ years it seems to catch every SPAM that comes to me and place in
>> SPAM without sticking my good stuff in SPAM even on the groups where I get
>> 500-1000 pieces of mail a day from - I am on many groups.
>>
>> I just mention it before people start spending money and time on something
>> where a FREE and no time option exists.
>>
>>
>> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.com so
>> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>>
>
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How much total email do you get in a week?
I would not expect a personal spam filter app to work well on corporate Outlook accounts. It is not made for a corporate environment.
I know I just posted it, and you have not had time to read it, but may I politely suggest that you start a new thread if you are having a problem with spam on a company or corporate email setting. That would stop confusing the OP's thread with stuff that does not apply to his situation or that of most of the list members.
Brent
On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Charles Carroll wrote:
Between 4-5pm on a Holiday like today I got 49 pieces of SPAM that
went into my SPAM folder. There were no legit mails in that set
either.
In the past I used to have to deal with a lot of SPAM that was in my
legit InBox (I usually had to mark over 100 pieces of SPAM manually
many days) and I had to look through over 1,500 pieces of SPAM a day
and typically found 6-12 legit emails in there. IN MY EXPERIENCE with
GMail it has been well over a year (maybe several years) since I saw
any legit mail in the SPAM folder and if I had to mark 2 dozen pieces
of mail as SPAM a month it would be an excessive month.
While others may get different results back in the days when I used
Barracuda and MailWasher and in my corporate Outlook accounts I do not
get as good a results.
While others may get worse or better results I am telling you based on
my experience with a high volume mail account (mine) and almost no
tranining GMail catches my SPAM very well and does not mis-categorize
my legit mail. Those who have different experience are welcome to
comment but I am sharing my experience with the service.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:15 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> Charles,
>
> Take a look at the below. Gmail's filters can't do any better with out stopping too much of the good email. Mail's filters have caught nearly 40% of the spam that got through my ISP, and they all use spam filter's to lower their overhead.
>
> Look at the the analysis of the how and why of each spam. I have 6 e-ddresses and use an alias of one for resumes, so say 7 accounts. Note that I received several spam that were redistributed by lists I am on and one was from harvesting one of those lists.
>
> Otto's claim of 1 or 2 a week, and all this spam filter discussion made me look at what got by my ISP's filters, and got caught by the other filters I use.
>
> Looks like I am even with Otto, if I were to turn off Mail's filters, or I have about half that I either manually have to deal with or create a Rule for. Even counting in the dups mentioned below, were both in the same ball park.
>
> I know his is an estimate, and mine is a small sample, so I will only say there are close to being the same.
>
> Brent
>
> Date acct caught by
> 8/30 list manually (3 dups, counted as 1, since it was sent to the list and not individuals on the list),
> from member of another list's computer got hacked, & sent to the list by a bot
> This is very, very rare on this by-invitation only list. (We've had only maybe a dozen plus in 12 years.)
> 8/27 W Rule former co-worker, gone off the deep end
> 8/23 J Rule my user name incorrect, got by Facebook'
> 8/17 R manually sex
> 8/13 J Mail's filter got by Linkedin'
> 8/5 J Rule got by Facebook'
> 7/18 list manually sent to macsupportcentral list
> 7/16 J Mail's filter also sent to other macsupportcentral members
> 7/14 J Mail's filters wrong user name, political
> 7/14 W Mail's filters former co-worker'
> 7/12 C manually my eddy not included, but in my C mailbox, fake job offer.
>
>
> Total spam in 60 days, 11 (3 dups, counted as 1)
> caught by the Mail's filters 4
> caught by My Rules 3
> caught manually 4 (3 dups, counted as 1)
>
> 3 of the above were repeats from a bot using a spoofed e-ddress.
> 1 from a hacked Facebook account
> 3 got past Facebook or Linkedin filters
> 4 were sent to a list and redistributed to list members (3 dups)
> 1 was using eddys harvested from macsupportcentral
> 2 were to a _very_ old, but corrupted user name, some one is still selling a very old list of targets
>
> 3 were caught by Rules,
> 1 created to 86 a former co-worker'
> 2 using a very old target list using a corrupted user name (from Facebook for "companionship
> 4 of 11 were caught by Mail's filters.
> Of the manually caught, 2 of 4 went to a list and was redistributed
> Of the manually caught, 1 was sent to the eddy on my resume, as was obviously "companionship
> Of the manually caught, 1, I assume was sent to my resume eddy, but was hidden, for a fake job offer.
> All of the manually caught were obvious spam in 2 seconds. None showed any pattern, other than the 2 using a very old corrupted user name and from Facebook.
>
> I have many accounts, 2 are used on lists. I get about 1000 - 1500 non-work related emails a month.
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
> I've been using Gmail for almost 8 years and also found that I get hardly
> any spam, maybe 1 or 2 per week at most.
>
> Otto
>
> On 2 September 2013 11:57, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
>
>> For all those suggesting "training"
>> Gmail that works well.
>>
>> For 5+ years it seems to catch every SPAM that comes to me and place in
>> SPAM without sticking my good stuff in SPAM even on the groups where I get
>> 500-1000 pieces of mail a day from - I am on many groups.
>>
>> I just mention it before people start spending money and time on something
>> where a FREE and no time option exists.
>>
>>
>> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.com so
>> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 3:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
I'd like to meet that Benjamin Franklin and shake his hand.
On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> - You know what Ben Franklin said about liberties and security.
"If it's on the internet, it must be true."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
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"If it's on the internet, it must be true."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 1:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim McGarvie" jgarv2002
That looks like what I'm looking for. I'll check it out. Thanks Dane.
Jim
On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.com > wrote:
> OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> but if you only need one account this still works.
>
> http://www.techwalls.com/register-free-google-apps-standard-account-single-user/
>
> -Dane
>
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Jim
On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.
> OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> but if you only need one account this still works.
>
> http://www.techwall
>
> -Dane
>
>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 2:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dane Reugger" dar2112
I forgot about Outlook.com. If you want to go the Microsoft route
Outlook.com will host your domain with 50-100 users. I've not tried it it
but I I've seen several users who are happy doing this. Personally I'm
happy with my [grandfathered] Gmail account but will try Outlook.com when I
get around to it.
-Dane
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us > wrote:
> That looks like what I'm looking for. I'll check it out. Thanks Dane.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.com > wrote:
>
> > OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> > but if you only need one account this still works.
> >
> >
> http://www.techwalls.com/register-free-google-apps-standard-account-single-user/
> >
> > -Dane
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> >
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Outlook.com will host your domain with 50-100 users. I've not tried it it
but I I've seen several users who are happy doing this. Personally I'm
happy with my [grandfathered] Gmail account but will try Outlook.com when I
get around to it.
-Dane
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.
> That looks like what I'm looking for. I'll check it out. Thanks Dane.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.
>
> > OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> > but if you only need one account this still works.
> >
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 3:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
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Thanks, I think I like the sound of Google more than I do Outlook.
On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.com > wrote:
> I forgot about Outlook.com. If you want to go the Microsoft route
> Outlook.com will host your domain with 50-100 users. I've not tried it it
> but I I've seen several users who are happy doing this. Personally I'm
> happy with my [grandfathered] Gmail account but will try Outlook.com when I
> get around to it.
>
> -Dane
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us > wrote:
>
> > That looks like what I'm looking for. I'll check it out. Thanks Dane.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.com > wrote:
> >
> > > OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> > > but if you only need one account this still works.
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.techwalls.com/register-free-google-apps-standard-account-single-user/
> > >
> > > -Dane
> > >
> > >
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> I forgot about Outlook.com. If you want to go the Microsoft route
> Outlook.com will host your domain with 50-100 users. I've not tried it it
> but I I've seen several users who are happy doing this. Personally I'm
> happy with my [grandfathered] Gmail account but will try Outlook.com when I
> get around to it.
>
> -Dane
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.
>
> > That looks like what I'm looking for. I'll check it out. Thanks Dane.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.
> >
> > > OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> > > but if you only need one account this still works.
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.techwall
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 1:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
Your welcome. Anytime.
I'm glad you chose Canon for your scanner. In the past I spent two weeks dealing with HP tech support on an issue w their drivers and OSX. I saw that despite their claim, they lied to me over and over about OSX compatibility. I was never able to get my HP scanner/printer to work w OSX. I bought a Canon scanner/printer and it worked first time every time with OSX. HP is garbage. Since 2000, HP has lost half it's value. I'll be waving goodbye when it gets dismantled.
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I'm glad you chose Canon for your scanner. In the past I spent two weeks dealing with HP tech support on an issue w their drivers and OSX. I saw that despite their claim, they lied to me over and over about OSX compatibility. I was never able to get my HP scanner/printer to work w OSX. I bought a Canon scanner/printer and it worked first time every time with OSX. HP is garbage. Since 2000, HP has lost half it's value. I'll be waving goodbye when it gets dismantled.
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 2:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Julian Thomas"
On 2Sep 2013, at 4:59 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.
> I'm glad you chose Canon for your scanner. In the past I spent two weeks dealing with HP tech support on an issue w their drivers and OSX.
I won't use HP these days because of the driver quality issue [although a postscript driver should work adequately for most printers].
I'm happy with an older Epson.
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