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Mon Sep 2, 2013 3:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll
It is my personal email account. And except for responding to specific
people's statements on this thread about things I mentioned, I have nothing
more to say.
On Sep 2, 2013 6:00 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Charles,
>
> Since you are speaking of commercial email for a commercial site, your
> issues are very different than what the OP, James Robertson is
> experiencing, or likely to encounter.
>
> May I politely, suggest you start your own thread on the subject with a
> different subject line, so as not to confuse the OP's thread?
>
> "5,000 pieces of SPAM a week" is more spam than many company email servers
> deal with in a week. That is more like a large corporation.
>
> What works or needs to be considered by a commercial e-ddress, does not
> necessarily apply to a individual's e-ddress.
>
> Brent
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Charles Carroll wrote:
>
> I inspected messages in the Gmail SPAM label often and just never found
> false positives.
>
> They just have a great algorithm and large user base so they identify SPAM
> very well without dropping good mail into SPAM folder.
>
> Whereas my previous experience was a lot of legit mail ended up in my SPAM
> folder many pieces a day. Even mail from people who write we frequently
> ended up there. Just really bad algorithms.
>
> I get about 5,000 pieces of SPAM a week, so systems that accidentally put
> legit mail in my SPAM folder make me have to do a lot of speed reading to
> find legit mails. I prefer a system that gets it right -- and the systems I
> tried even after training still had a LOT of false positives.
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:53 PM, David Brostoff <davbro@earthlink.net >
> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:37 , Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
> >
> >> I used "training"; software over the years and several different
> >> server/client tools for email. I was unimpressed by the work involved
> > that
> >> still resulted in false positives that meant I had to inspect my SPAM
> for
> >> legit mail which defeats the point since my email address I have had
> > since
> >> 1996 gets such a high volume.
> >
> > Sorry if I am not understanding, but whatever type of spam filter is
> > employed, you will always have to inspect a spam folder for false
> positives.
> >
> > In any event, how is Gmail different in that respect?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
>
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people's statements on this thread about things I mentioned, I have nothing
more to say.
On Sep 2, 2013 6:00 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.
> **
>
>
> Charles,
>
> Since you are speaking of commercial email for a commercial site, your
> issues are very different than what the OP, James Robertson is
> experiencing, or likely to encounter.
>
> May I politely, suggest you start your own thread on the subject with a
> different subject line, so as not to confuse the OP's thread?
>
> "5,000 pieces of SPAM a week" is more spam than many company email servers
> deal with in a week. That is more like a large corporation.
>
> What works or needs to be considered by a commercial e-ddress, does not
> necessarily apply to a individual&#
>
> Brent
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Charles Carroll wrote:
>
> I inspected messages in the Gmail SPAM label often and just never found
> false positives.
>
> They just have a great algorithm and large user base so they identify SPAM
> very well without dropping good mail into SPAM folder.
>
> Whereas my previous experience was a lot of legit mail ended up in my SPAM
> folder many pieces a day. Even mail from people who write we frequently
> ended up there. Just really bad algorithms.
>
> I get about 5,000 pieces of SPAM a week, so systems that accidentally put
> legit mail in my SPAM folder make me have to do a lot of speed reading to
> find legit mails. I prefer a system that gets it right -- and the systems I
> tried even after training still had a LOT of false positives.
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:53 PM, David Brostoff <davbro@earthlink.
> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:37 , Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
> >
> >> I used "training"
> >> server/client tools for email. I was unimpressed by the work involved
> > that
> >> still resulted in false positives that meant I had to inspect my SPAM
> for
> >> legit mail which defeats the point since my email address I have had
> > since
> >> 1996 gets such a high volume.
> >
> > Sorry if I am not understanding, but whatever type of spam filter is
> > employed, you will always have to inspect a spam folder for false
> positives.
> >
> > In any event, how is Gmail different in that respect?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 5:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> Take a look at the below. Gmail's filters can't do any better with out stopping too much of the good email. Mail's filters have caught nearly 40% of the spam that got through my ISP, and they all use spam filter's to lower their overhead.
Since I'm the OP here, I'll summarize my own realizations a bit :-)
First, I learned that I shouldn'
Actually, I THINK I knew it wasn't quite that simple. After all, clicking links while browsing doesn't send my email address anywhere. In THAT sense, the realization that my wife is seeing the same phenomenon could - I guess - be reassuring.
Second, following the advice of people who usually know what they're talking about in all things Mac (Chris Breen from Macworld, David Pogue, and Randy Singer), I installed Spamsieve. I can tell already that the spam spigot has been wrenched almost closed (just now something got through extolling my financial prowess and congratulating me on my willingness to invest in real estate in an unnamed foreign country).
So it looks as though I won't have to pay Google to comb my mail for keywords while NSA distributed processing farms check Google's work (not that I'm so naive as to believe that the NSA isn't doing it even without the benefit of blanket surveilance of everything that goes through Google's mail servers).
Bottom Line: Spamsieve appears to be qualitatively superior to Mail.app'
--
Jim Robertson
__o
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(*)/ (*)
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My other car is an S-Works Roubaix
Mon Sep 2, 2013 7:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:37 PM, James Robertson wrote:
> Bottom Line: Spamsieve appears to be qualitatively superior to Mail.app'
SpamSieve keeps meticulous statistics of its efforts. (Click on SpamSieve in the Dock and then hit Command-2.)
Right now, for me, it is reporting that it has been 99.7% accurate.
It's created about 10,000 blocklist rules and about 30,000 whitelist rules in the past 4.5 years. Yet it doesn't seem to have impacted Mail's performance a bit.
Every now and then the spammers come up with something new and cute to try and mess up user's anti-spam filters, and a spam message will squeak through. With SpamSieve it's not a problem. You just mark that message as spam and all similar messages are blocked forever more.
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
Mon Sep 2, 2013 7:25 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave Clark" dave24c
On my MacBookPro, OS X 10.8.4, the spam-junk button seems to be greyed out. Is the something one must activate in preferences or elsewhere?
My gmail accounts have virtually zero spam, but my hosted GoDaddy account gets several per day and I'd like to push the Execute button on all of them.
Dave Clark
Sent from my iPhone
949-639-9418
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:37 PM, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>> Take a look at the below. Gmail's filters can't do any better with out stopping too much of the good email. Mail's filters have caught nearly 40% of the spam that got through my ISP, and they all use spam filter's to lower their overhead.
>
> Since I'm the OP here, I'll summarize my own realizations a bit :-)
>
> First, I learned that I shouldn't have been so critical of myself. What motivated me to embark on this project was an alarming increase in the amount of spam I'm receiving, most of it vaguely salacious; I'm old enough to remember when "porn" meant one of those ASCII print-outs of Cheryl Tiegs from a DEC line printer, and all this recent stuff has been ASCII character groupings that sometimes could be regrouped into sexual themes. I thought I must have clicked somewhere I shouldn't have while wandering a bit aimlessly from Google News early in the morning. However, when my wife asked me why I was spending so much of my holiday weekend reading "Take Control" books, I told her about the recent deluge, and she replied that she's GETTING THE SAME STUFF, SO IF I FOUND A SOLUTION PLEASE PUT IN ON HER MACBOOK PRO, TOO.
>
> Actually, I THINK I knew it wasn't quite that simple. After all, clicking links while browsing doesn't send my email address anywhere. In THAT sense, the realization that my wife is seeing the same phenomenon could - I guess - be reassuring.
>
> Second, following the advice of people who usually know what they're talking about in all things Mac (Chris Breen from Macworld, David Pogue, and Randy Singer), I installed Spamsieve. I can tell already that the spam spigot has been wrenched almost closed (just now something got through extolling my financial prowess and congratulating me on my willingness to invest in real estate in an unnamed foreign country).
>
> So it looks as though I won't have to pay Google to comb my mail for keywords while NSA distributed processing farms check Google's work (not that I'm so naive as to believe that the NSA isn't doing it even without the benefit of blanket surveilance of everything that goes through Google's mail servers).
>
> Bottom Line: Spamsieve appears to be qualitatively superior to Mail.app's Junk Mail filter, right out of the box.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jim Robertson
> __o
> _-\<,_
> (*)/ (*)
> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> My other car is an S-Works Roubaix
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My gmail accounts have virtually zero spam, but my hosted GoDaddy account gets several per day and I'd like to push the Execute button on all of them.
Dave Clark
Sent from my iPhone
949-639-9418
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:37 PM, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>
>> Take a look at the below. Gmail's filters can't do any better with out stopping too much of the good email. Mail's filters have caught nearly 40% of the spam that got through my ISP, and they all use spam filter's to lower their overhead.
>
> Since I'm the OP here, I'll summarize my own realizations a bit :-)
>
> First, I learned that I shouldn'
>
> Actually, I THINK I knew it wasn't quite that simple. After all, clicking links while browsing doesn't send my email address anywhere. In THAT sense, the realization that my wife is seeing the same phenomenon could - I guess - be reassuring.
>
> Second, following the advice of people who usually know what they're talking about in all things Mac (Chris Breen from Macworld, David Pogue, and Randy Singer), I installed Spamsieve. I can tell already that the spam spigot has been wrenched almost closed (just now something got through extolling my financial prowess and congratulating me on my willingness to invest in real estate in an unnamed foreign country).
>
> So it looks as though I won't have to pay Google to comb my mail for keywords while NSA distributed processing farms check Google's work (not that I'm so naive as to believe that the NSA isn't doing it even without the benefit of blanket surveilance of everything that goes through Google's mail servers).
>
> Bottom Line: Spamsieve appears to be qualitatively superior to Mail.app'
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jim Robertson
> __o
> _-\<,
> (*)/ (*)
> ````````````
> My other car is an S-Works Roubaix
>
>
>
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>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 8:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Sep 2, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Dave Clark <dc1999@gmail.
> On my MacBookPro, OS X 10.8.4, the spam-junk button seems to be greyed out. Is the something one must activate in preferences or elsewhere?
Perhaps you've added the Junk Mail "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" buttons using View>Customize Toolbar but turned off Junk Mail Filtering in Preferences?
If you have real spam problems I'd not bother with Mail's built in filter and just go get SpamSieve. It's been the easiest-to-implemen
--
Jim Robertson
__o
_-\<,
(*)/ (*)
````````````
My other car is an S-Works Roubaix
Mon Sep 2, 2013 4:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
I've done a quite extensive update to my Web site:
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
I'd appreciate it if folks had a look at it and let me know if they see any mistakes, if they can find any broken links, or if there are things left out that folks would like to see.
Thanks!
___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
I'd appreciate it if folks had a look at it and let me know if they see any mistakes, if they can find any broken links, or if there are things left out that folks would like to see.
Thanks!
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
Mon Sep 2, 2013 4:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue
Hi Randy;
Thanks for the update. I've used your site as a guide for issues over
the years and it's always been clear and helpful. The only change I
would suggest is to place the warning against defragging SSD drives
earlier in the the defrag step. Folks have a tendency not to read all
the way to the end when they think they've found an answer, and it's
better IMO, to have the warning earlier rather than later.
Thanks again for a very helpful site.
Tim
> Randy B. Singer <mailto:randy@macattorney.com >
> September 2, 2013 4:38 PM
>
> I've done a quite extensive update to my Web site:
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
>
> I'd appreciate it if folks had a look at it and let me know if they
> see any mistakes, if they can find any broken links, or if there are
> things left out that folks would like to see.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thanks for the update. I've used your site as a guide for issues over
the years and it's always been clear and helpful. The only change I
would suggest is to place the warning against defragging SSD drives
earlier in the the defrag step. Folks have a tendency not to read all
the way to the end when they think they've found an answer, and it's
better IMO, to have the warning earlier rather than later.
Thanks again for a very helpful site.
Tim
> Randy B. Singer <mailto:randy@macattorney.
> September 2, 2013 4:38 PM
>
> I've done a quite extensive update to my Web site:
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
>
> I'd appreciate it if folks had a look at it and let me know if they
> see any mistakes, if they can find any broken links, or if there are
> things left out that folks would like to see.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
> ____________
>
>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 5:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Pat Taylor" pat412255
Thanks for all of your effort with this site; I've used it extensively over the years. I checked all of the various links & found these that would not open for me:
http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000410.php
http://www.macfixitforums.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/570817/site_id
/1#import
or
http://tinyurl.com/yuqn4
http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/03/01/a-faster-way-to-speed-up-mailapp/
http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/03/03/scripts-to-automate-the-mailapp-envelope-
speed-trick/
http://www.macfixitforums.com/php/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum38&Number=570817&Forum=&Words=MicroMat %20strongly%20recommends%20that%20you%20always%20leave%20at%20least%2015%5C%25&Match=
Entire%20 Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=3months&Main=570808&Search=true#Post570817
or
http://tinyurl.com/yuqn4
http://www.macfixitforums.com/php/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=techissues&Number=620840&page=0&view=
collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1
I didn't list the ArsTechnica site because I'm not registered there. Again, THANKS!
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:38 PM, "Randy B. Singer" <randy@macattorney.com > wrote:
> I've done a quite extensive update to my Web site:
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
>
> I'd appreciate it if folks had a look at it and let me know if they see any mistakes, if they can find any broken links, or if there are things left out that folks would like to see.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
http://www.unsanity
http://www.macfixit
/1#import
or
http://tinyurl.
http://www.hawkwing
http://www.hawkwing
speed-trick/
http://www.macfixit
Entire%20 Phrase&Searchpage=
or
http://tinyurl.
http://www.macfixit
collapsed&sb=
I didn't list the ArsTechnica site because I'm not registered there. Again, THANKS!
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:38 PM, "Randy B. Singer" <randy@macattorney.
> I've done a quite extensive update to my Web site:
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
>
> I'd appreciate it if folks had a look at it and let me know if they see any mistakes, if they can find any broken links, or if there are things left out that folks would like to see.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
> ____________
>
>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 7:09 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Sep 2, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
> I checked all of the various links & found these that would not open for me:
Thanks! I'll see if I can find updated links.
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
Tue Sep 3, 2013 12:26 am (PDT) . Posted by:
cheeky_chas
Randy
Under 3/ caches there is a sentence:
So it is a good idea to every rare now and then use a utility that clears the system caches, and/or your Internet browser caches.
I think the word ''rare'' may be redundant?
Thanks again for all the work you do for us.
Charles.
On 3 Sep 2013, at 00:38, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com > wrote:
> I've done a quite extensive update to my Web site:
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
>
> I'd appreciate it if folks had a look at it and let me know if they see any mistakes, if they can find any broken links, or if there are things left out that folks would like to see.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Under 3/ caches there is a sentence:
So it is a good idea to every rare now and then use a utility that clears the system caches, and/or your Internet browser caches.
I think the word ''rare&#
Thanks again for all the work you do for us.
Charles.
On 3 Sep 2013, at 00:38, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.
> I've done a quite extensive update to my Web site:
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
>
> I'd appreciate it if folks had a look at it and let me know if they see any mistakes, if they can find any broken links, or if there are things left out that folks would like to see.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
> ____________
>
>
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 5:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"paul smith" waldonny
Hmmm, I just followed those instructions, and was NOT offered the option to set up a "standard"; account as described. only a "for business" account.
--
PSmith
MacBook Pro w/ OS 10.8.4, iPhone 4S 64 GB & iPad 4th gen. 32 GB w/ iOS 6.1.3
On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.com > wrote:
> OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> but if you only need one account this still works.
>
> http://www.techwalls.com/register-free-google-apps-standard-account-single-user/
>
> -Dane
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MacBook Pro w/ OS 10.8.4, iPhone 4S 64 GB & iPad 4th gen. 32 GB w/ iOS 6.1.3
On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.
> OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> but if you only need one account this still works.
>
> http://www.techwall
>
> -Dane
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 6:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Gijzette Strickland" gijzette
Jim,
Here is how I do it. I setup a standard free GMail account. I then have all
my email coming into one GMail inbox, including the email from my domain
using the GMail fetcher https://support.google.com/mail/answer/21289?hl=en.
When I compose an email I can then pick which account to send from.
I hope that helps.
On Monday, September 2, 2013, Jim McGarvie wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> Since I've hijacked this thread I have changed the subject.
>
> I am interested in the ability to sync my email folders between Mac Mail
> on my MBP and my iDevices, ala Exchange Server but without the cost. A good
> IMAP email service like Gmail would do what I want, I'm sure. But I have
> googled Gmail and domains and it appears it is now difficult if not
> impossible to get a free account with my own domain. Are you one of the
> lucky ones grandfathered in?
>
> My domain host is Earthlink and although they don't seem to advertise it,
> I am using IMAP with them. But I am continually deleting messages to remain
> within their 1 GB limit, and they are not very user-friendly.
>
> I want messages from me to come from my domain address, not a Gmail addy.
>
> If Gmail can do what I want can you point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
>
> > And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.comso
> > my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>
>
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harbor a teddy bear - which is perhaps why they are thoroughly mature and
well-adjusted." ~~Joseph Lempa.
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Here is how I do it. I setup a standard free GMail account. I then have all
my email coming into one GMail inbox, including the email from my domain
using the GMail fetcher https://support.
When I compose an email I can then pick which account to send from.
I hope that helps.
On Monday, September 2, 2013, Jim McGarvie wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> Since I've hijacked this thread I have changed the subject.
>
> I am interested in the ability to sync my email folders between Mac Mail
> on my MBP and my iDevices, ala Exchange Server but without the cost. A good
> IMAP email service like Gmail would do what I want, I'm sure. But I have
> googled Gmail and domains and it appears it is now difficult if not
> impossible to get a free account with my own domain. Are you one of the
> lucky ones grandfathered in?
>
> My domain host is Earthlink and although they don't seem to advertise it,
> I am using IMAP with them. But I am continually deleting messages to remain
> within their 1 GB limit, and they are not very user-friendly.
>
> I want messages from me to come from my domain address, not a Gmail addy.
>
> If Gmail can do what I want can you point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 7:07 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim McGarvie" jgarv2002
I tried that, and even though it is recent (July 23) that loophole has already been plugged by Google. Step 5 no longer offers "Sign up for Google Apps Standard" only "Sign up for Google Apps", which takes one to Google Apps Business.
Thanks though.
Jim
On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.com > wrote:
> OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> but if you only need one account this still works.
>
> http://www.techwalls.com/register-free-google-apps-standard-account-single-user/
>
> -Dane
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.com > wrote:
>
> > FWIW - it seems I remember hearing that after the 30 day free trial of
> > google apps expired it would convert to a free account but I've never tried
> > that either.
> >
> > -Dane
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.com > wrote:
> >
> >> Google no longer offers the free level of Google Apps. It's $5 per month
> >> or $50 per year. If your needs are minimal you could look at Zoho which is
> >> free for 3 users / 5gb each. I've not tried zoho mail but do like some of
> >> their other services.
> >>
> >> -Dane
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Actually I have my own domain, as reflected by my email address: @
> >>> mcgarvie.us.
> >>>
> >>> I'll check out the link. Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 2, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Well you will need to buy your own domain since @EarthLink.com is not
> >>> your
> >>> > domain.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> http://smarterware.org/3628/host-your-domain-email-at-gmail-without-forwarding
> >>> > is a good a starting point as any.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> **
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi Charles,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Since I've hijacked this thread I have changed the subject.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I am interested in the ability to sync my email folders between Mac
> >>> Mail
> >>> >> on my MBP and my iDevices, ala Exchange Server but without the cost.
> >>> A good
> >>> >> IMAP email service like Gmail would do what I want, I'm sure. But I
> >>> have
> >>> >> googled Gmail and domains and it appears it is now difficult if not
> >>> >> impossible to get a free account with my own domain. Are you one of
> >>> the
> >>> >> lucky ones grandfathered in?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My domain host is Earthlink and although they don't seem to advertise
> >>> it,
> >>> >> I am using IMAP with them. But I am continually deleting messages to
> >>> remain
> >>> >> within their 1 GB limit, and they are not very user-friendly.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I want messages from me to come from my domain address, not a Gmail
> >>> addy.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If Gmail can do what I want can you point me in the right direction?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Jim
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Sep 2, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain
> >>> @learnasp.comso
> >>> >>> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
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Thanks though.
Jim
On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.
> OK I googled it and letting a trial account expire does not seem to work
> but if you only need one account this still works.
>
> http://www.techwall
>
> -Dane
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.
>
> > FWIW - it seems I remember hearing that after the 30 day free trial of
> > google apps expired it would convert to a free account but I've never tried
> > that either.
> >
> > -Dane
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Dane Reugger <dane@downtownpc.
> >
> >> Google no longer offers the free level of Google Apps. It's $5 per month
> >> or $50 per year. If your needs are minimal you could look at Zoho which is
> >> free for 3 users / 5gb each. I've not tried zoho mail but do like some of
> >> their other services.
> >>
> >> -Dane
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.
> >>
> >>> Actually I have my own domain, as reflected by my email address: @
> >>> mcgarvie.us.
> >>>
> >>> I'll check out the link. Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 2, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
> >>>
> >>> > Well you will need to buy your own domain since @EarthLink.com is not
> >>> your
> >>> > domain.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> http://smarterware.
> >>> > is a good a starting point as any.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.
> >>> >
> >>> >> **
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi Charles,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Since I've hijacked this thread I have changed the subject.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I am interested in the ability to sync my email folders between Mac
> >>> >> on my MBP and my iDevices, ala Exchange Server but without the cost.
> >>> A good
> >>> >> IMAP email service like Gmail would do what I want, I'm sure. But I
> >>> have
> >>> >> googled Gmail and domains and it appears it is now difficult if not
> >>> >> impossible to get a free account with my own domain. Are you one of
> >>> the
> >>> >> lucky ones grandfathered in?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My domain host is Earthlink and although they don't seem to advertise
> >>> it,
> >>> >> I am using IMAP with them. But I am continually deleting messages to
> >>> remain
> >>> >> within their 1 GB limit, and they are not very user-friendly.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I want messages from me to come from my domain address, not a Gmail
> >>> addy.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If Gmail can do what I want can you point me in the right direction?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Jim
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Sep 2, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain
> >>> @learnasp.comso
> >>> >>> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Mon Sep 2, 2013 7:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim McGarvie" jgarv2002
Thanks, Gijzette, I'll give that a try.
On Sep 2, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Gijzette Strickland <gsstrickland@gmail.com > wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Here is how I do it. I setup a standard free GMail account. I then have all
> my email coming into one GMail inbox, including the email from my domain
> using the GMail fetcher https://support.google.com/mail/answer/21289?hl=en.
> When I compose an email I can then pick which account to send from.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> On Monday, September 2, 2013, Jim McGarvie wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> Since I've hijacked this thread I have changed the subject.
>>
>> I am interested in the ability to sync my email folders between Mac Mail
>> on my MBP and my iDevices, ala Exchange Server but without the cost. A good
>> IMAP email service like Gmail would do what I want, I'm sure. But I have
>> googled Gmail and domains and it appears it is now difficult if not
>> impossible to get a free account with my own domain. Are you one of the
>> lucky ones grandfathered in?
>>
>> My domain host is Earthlink and although they don't seem to advertise it,
>> I am using IMAP with them. But I am continually deleting messages to remain
>> within their 1 GB limit, and they are not very user-friendly.
>>
>> I want messages from me to come from my domain address, not a Gmail addy.
>>
>> If Gmail can do what I want can you point me in the right direction?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
>>
>>> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.comso
>>> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/macsupportcentral/files/faq.htm >
>>
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>>
>>
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> OOAK Miniature Bears and Friends
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> http://twitter.com/ElfinBears
> "It is astonishing how many thoroughly mature, well-adjusted grown-ups
> harbor a teddy bear - which is perhaps why they are thoroughly mature and
> well-adjusted." ~~Joseph Lempa.
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On Sep 2, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Gijzette Strickland <gsstrickland@
> Jim,
>
> Here is how I do it. I setup a standard free GMail account. I then have all
> my email coming into one GMail inbox, including the email from my domain
> using the GMail fetcher https://support.
> When I compose an email I can then pick which account to send from.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> On Monday, September 2, 2013, Jim McGarvie wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> Since I've hijacked this thread I have changed the subject.
>>
>> I am interested in the ability to sync my email folders between Mac Mail
>> on my MBP and my iDevices, ala Exchange Server but without the cost. A good
>> IMAP email service like Gmail would do what I want, I'm sure. But I have
>> googled Gmail and domains and it appears it is now difficult if not
>> impossible to get a free account with my own domain. Are you one of the
>> lucky ones grandfathered in?
>>
>> My domain host is Earthlink and although they don't seem to advertise it,
>> I am using IMAP with them. But I am continually deleting messages to remain
>> within their 1 GB limit, and they are not very user-friendly.
>>
>> I want messages from me to come from my domain address, not a Gmail addy.
>>
>> If Gmail can do what I want can you point me in the right direction?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
>>
>>> And it does support domain mail -- i.e. I own the domain @learnasp.comso
>>> my mail from there is managed by gmail even without a gmail address.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------
>>
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>> <http://tech.
>>
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>>
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> OOAK Miniature Bears and Friends
> http://www.elfinbea
> http://twitter.
> "It is astonishing how many thoroughly mature, well-adjusted grown-ups
> harbor a teddy bear - which is perhaps why they are thoroughly mature and
> well-adjusted.
>
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