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Sun Sep 8, 2013 8:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:06 AM, "Randy B. Singer" <randy@macattorney.
>
> On Sep 7, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Tony wrote:
>
>> Here are my thoughts. I am contemplating purchasing the MacBook Pro with Retina Display to use as my Desktop and Laptop, therefore only purchasing one computer. I plan on upgrading each component to the max. Thoughts?
>
> I'm the head of a huge Macintosh user group for attorneys (we have well over 9,000 members). The current favorite is the MacBook Air 13-inch (because of it's really light weight and speed). Most folks, when they get home or to the office, simply plug in a large monitor (I can tell you where to get a really excellent one cheaply, if you like), a mouse, and a full-size keyboard if you prefer it.
>
> The SSD in the MBA has a minimal capacity (though it may be plenty for a home user), but it's light weight and amazing speed makes it the preferred choice. If you need more storage capacity at some point, external hard drives are very reasonably priced now. You can get one and offload stuff to it if need be.
>
>>
>> Is there anything that I can do with my Windows PC that I will not be able to do with the Mac?
>
> Nothing, unless you are into something that only a tiny number of users do. There are over 66 million Mac users at this point.
> http://is.gd/
> If there is a niche, developers will exploit it.
>
> You *will* find that the same exact software titles and developers don't necessarily exist for the Mac. The Mac has its own developers and titles. So, let's say that you love Corel WordPerfect.
>
> Feel free to ask here for recommendations for software. What you will find, more than likely, is that lots of folks will tell you that there aren't a lot of choices for particular types of software for the Macintosh. You may even hear this from some less knowledgeable Mac users. The thing is...that usually isn't even close to being true.
>
> I've been keeping lists of some types of software for the Mac because of this. Windows users often went around saying that there was no accounting software for the Mac. I have a list of about 30 different accounting programs for the Mac. They used to say that there was no law office software for the Mac. I created a Web site that lists over 100 law office programs for the Mac. They used to say that there was no database software for the Mac. I have a list that shows that there are more database programs for the Mac than for Windows. Etc.
>
> The concept of there not being enough software for the a Mac is an anachronism. It just isn't at all true. (If it ever was.)
>
> Sources for Macintosh software:
>
> http://www.apple.
> The Mac App Store
>
> http://www.macupdat
> MacUpdate
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> http://www.pure-
> Pure Mac
>
> http://download.
> CNet(formerly Versiontracker.
>
> http://www.freemacw
> FreeMacWare
>
> http://www.macshare
> MacShareware.
>
> http://www.appdonke
> App Donkey
>
> http://mac.softpedi
> Mac Softpedia
>
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> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
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Sun Sep 8, 2013 8:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
Last msg sent in error.
> I'm the head of a huge Macintosh user group for attorneys (we have well over 9,000 members). The current favorite is the MacBook Air 13-inch (because of it's really light weight and speed). Most folks, when they get home or to the office, simply plug in a large monitor (I can tell you where to get a really excellent one cheaply, if you like), a mouse, and a full-size keyboard if you prefer it.
>
> The SSD in the MBA has a minimal capacity (though it may be plenty for a home user), but it's light weight and amazing speed makes it the preferred choice. If you need more storage capacity at some point, external hard drives are very reasonably priced now. You can get one and offload stuff to it if need be.
Randy --
I suspect your group has users who have moved from an MBAir to a Retina MBPro, with a larger SSD, and 8 or 16 GB of RAM. Have you seen comments/comparisons with regard to speed?
The Pro is, of course, heavier....
> I'm the head of a huge Macintosh user group for attorneys (we have well over 9,000 members). The current favorite is the MacBook Air 13-inch (because of it's really light weight and speed). Most folks, when they get home or to the office, simply plug in a large monitor (I can tell you where to get a really excellent one cheaply, if you like), a mouse, and a full-size keyboard if you prefer it.
>
> The SSD in the MBA has a minimal capacity (though it may be plenty for a home user), but it's light weight and amazing speed makes it the preferred choice. If you need more storage capacity at some point, external hard drives are very reasonably priced now. You can get one and offload stuff to it if need be.
Randy --
I suspect your group has users who have moved from an MBAir to a Retina MBPro, with a larger SSD, and 8 or 16 GB of RAM. Have you seen comments/comparison
The Pro is, of course, heavier....
Sun Sep 8, 2013 8:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:06 AM, Randy B Singer wrote:
> Most folks, when they get home or to the office, simply plug in a large monitor (I can tell you where to get a really excellent one cheaply, if you like), a mouse, and a full-size keyboard if you prefer it.
I'll pick up on that. My medical group has been adopted electronic medical records. (I'd hoped this would propel us from the 19th to 21st century, but in some ways I think we've been pushed back to the 12th: many nights I toil away in my office like a Cistercian Monk, copying bits of info from fuzzy bitmapped pdfs of faxed-in lab reports because the labs don't support the Health Information Exchange mandates of the Affordable care act). I need to wrestle those scanned pdfs around the screen in order to enter their data via the input interface behind them; hard to do on my 15" Retina Display MacBook Pro when I'm in our remote location where I don't have my gorgeous Apple Cinema Display.
I could "save" $200 but still pay $800 for a refurbed Cinema or Thunderbolt Display, but I'd like to spend less on a "widescreen&qu
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Sun Sep 8, 2013 8:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Welcome to Macintosh Tony.
1. You can run Windows on a Macintosh if you feel you need to. Some
folks who change to Macintosh will do that. There are multiple ways to
run Windows on a Mac. One is Apple's Boot Camp utility that comes with
all Macs.
2. Macintosh is going through a major shift in the technology of
peripherals, storage, and cable and port technology. This is happening
via the newish Thunderbolt technology developed jointly by Apple and
Intel. Before buying peripherals, externals, external DVD burners,
external hard drives, RAID boxes, etc., you need to inform yourself on
Thunderbolt.
All current Mac models except the MacPro tower have a Thunderbolt
port. A new MacPro tower is due out probably in November which will
have 6 Thunderbolt ports.
Current Thunderbolt is AKA Thunderbolt 1 and the new MacPro tower will
have Thunderbolt 2. Thunderbolt 1 speed is determined by the chip in
the computer which currently runs data transfer at 10 Gbps in both
directions. Thunderbolt 2 will double that speed but new cables will
not be needed to achieve that speed.
A single Thunderbolt cable can carry USB, FireWire, HDMI, Ethernet,
audio, video, PCI Express, and other signals simultaneously. The
proper adapter is needed at one end - for example to convert from
Thunderbolt to USB.
One Thunderbolt port can support up to 6 external devices.
3. Apple's web site has help topics for new Macintosh users who have
converted from Windows.
4. At this time, I know of zero viruses for Mac OS X system although I
have heard of several theoretical viruses. At this time, there are
approximately 28 to 30 known Trojan Horses for Mac OS X but most are
very difficult to find and require you to help in the download and
install of them.
5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
users to do some things differently.
6. Some useful web sites:
Apple in the USA
<http://www.apple.com/>
<http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/>
MacUpdate
-a site listing thousands of Macintosh programs you can download
including freeware, shareware, postcard ware, commercial ware.
<https://www.macupdate.com/>
The Tao of Mac
-a site listing many Macintosh centric acronyms and terms along with
Mac oriented books and sites.
<http://the.taoofmac.com/space/meta/Acronyms>
Other World Computing
-an online retail site with hundreds of products for Macintosh and good
tech support and How To lists. I trust these folks and so do others in
this Yahoo Group. There are many other online sites to buy Mac
products.
<http://eshop.macsales.com/>
Good luck!
Denver Dan
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 14:31:47 -0700 (PDT), Tony wrote:
> I apologize to the Group for failing to place a topic in the Subject
> line of my original posting.
>
> So far, it is a pretty overwhelming vote to select a Mac instead of a
> PC. As I said in my original posting, I plan on upgrading where I
> possibly can, such as Hard Drive & Processor. Is there anything else
> that you would suggest?
>
> Also, is there any accessory or external drive you would recommend,
> possibly a DVD Drive, etc.
>
> Again, I appreciate the comments.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
> From: OBrien <bco@hiwaay.net>
> To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] (unknown)
>
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 08:50:13 -0700 (PDT), Tony wrote:
>> Is there anything that I can do with my Windows PC that I will not
>> be able to do with the Mac?
>
> I can't think of anything. Like what, for example?
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
> O'Brien ––– –... .-. .. . -.
Welcome to Macintosh Tony.
1. You can run Windows on a Macintosh if you feel you need to. Some
folks who change to Macintosh will do that. There are multiple ways to
run Windows on a Mac. One is Apple's Boot Camp utility that comes with
all Macs.
2. Macintosh is going through a major shift in the technology of
peripherals, storage, and cable and port technology. This is happening
via the newish Thunderbolt technology developed jointly by Apple and
Intel. Before buying peripherals, externals, external DVD burners,
external hard drives, RAID boxes, etc., you need to inform yourself on
Thunderbolt.
All current Mac models except the MacPro tower have a Thunderbolt
port. A new MacPro tower is due out probably in November which will
have 6 Thunderbolt ports.
Current Thunderbolt is AKA Thunderbolt 1 and the new MacPro tower will
have Thunderbolt 2. Thunderbolt 1 speed is determined by the chip in
the computer which currently runs data transfer at 10 Gbps in both
directions. Thunderbolt 2 will double that speed but new cables will
not be needed to achieve that speed.
A single Thunderbolt cable can carry USB, FireWire, HDMI, Ethernet,
audio, video, PCI Express, and other signals simultaneously. The
proper adapter is needed at one end - for example to convert from
Thunderbolt to USB.
One Thunderbolt port can support up to 6 external devices.
3. Apple's web site has help topics for new Macintosh users who have
converted from Windows.
4. At this time, I know of zero viruses for Mac OS X system although I
have heard of several theoretical viruses. At this time, there are
approximately 28 to 30 known Trojan Horses for Mac OS X but most are
very difficult to find and require you to help in the download and
install of them.
5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
users to do some things differently.
6. Some useful web sites:
Apple in the USA
<http://www.apple.
<http://www.apple.
MacUpdate
-a site listing thousands of Macintosh programs you can download
including freeware, shareware, postcard ware, commercial ware.
<https://www.
The Tao of Mac
-a site listing many Macintosh centric acronyms and terms along with
Mac oriented books and sites.
<http://the.taoofmac
Other World Computing
-an online retail site with hundreds of products for Macintosh and good
tech support and How To lists. I trust these folks and so do others in
this Yahoo Group. There are many other online sites to buy Mac
products.
<http://eshop.
Good luck!
Denver Dan
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 14:31:47 -0700 (PDT), Tony wrote:
> I apologize to the Group for failing to place a topic in the Subject
> line of my original posting.
>
> So far, it is a pretty overwhelming vote to select a Mac instead of a
> PC. As I said in my original posting, I plan on upgrading where I
> possibly can, such as Hard Drive & Processor. Is there anything else
> that you would suggest?
>
> Also, is there any accessory or external drive you would recommend,
> possibly a DVD Drive, etc.
>
> Again, I appreciate the comments.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
> From: OBrien <bco@hiwaay.net>
> To: macsupportcentral@
> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] (unknown)
>
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 08:50:13 -0700 (PDT), Tony wrote:
>> Is there anything that I can do with my Windows PC that I will not
>> be able to do with the Mac?
>
> I can't think of anything. Like what, for example?
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
> O'Brien ––– –... .-. .. . -.
Sun Sep 8, 2013 11:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Dan,
I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is skewed?
I have found the two to be similar in most things, with vocabulary the biggest difference. Once you understand what the other OS calls something, you then use help to find where it is. There may be a different number of steps to the conclusion, but the process is pretty much the same. So you can see, I don't understand your comment below.
Brent
On Sep 8, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
users to do some things differently.
I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is skewed?
I have found the two to be similar in most things, with vocabulary the biggest difference. Once you understand what the other OS calls something, you then use help to find where it is. There may be a different number of steps to the conclusion, but the process is pretty much the same. So you can see, I don't understand your comment below.
Brent
On Sep 8, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
users to do some things differently.
Sun Sep 8, 2013 11:47 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Larry's Mail" lpyle@pacbell.net
I have both since I use a lot of control software written for the PC. I use the MAC for anything else that I can find the software I need. I spend about 80% more time doing maintenance on the PC than on the Mac. The Mac just runs and does what it is supposed to do. The PC has developed problems that require a lot of drastic action to fix..
Larry, AD6ST
Larry, AD6ST
Sun Sep 8, 2013 3:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
I agree with everything you say. Until 2001 I used a PC at work. I bought
my first Mac in 2001 and for the next 8 years carried on using a PC at work
and a Mac at home. For the last 4 years I've been Mac-only, with occasional
looks at Windows and Linux on friends' computers. As a user I found far
more similarities than differences.
I have seen the document vs. application-centric description elsewhere but
don't see that myself. I used them in much the same way when doing similar
work. Perhaps Dan could give a specific example?
Otto
On 8 September 2013 19:42, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dan,
>
> I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a little
> time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean by the below or
> a brief explanation, since my point of view is skewed?
>
> I have found the two to be similar in most things, with vocabulary the
> biggest difference. Once you understand what the other OS calls something,
> you then use help to find where it is. There may be a different number of
> steps to the conclusion, but the process is pretty much the same. So you
> can see, I don't understand your comment below.
>
>
my first Mac in 2001 and for the next 8 years carried on using a PC at work
and a Mac at home. For the last 4 years I've been Mac-only, with occasional
looks at Windows and Linux on friends' computers. As a user I found far
more similarities than differences.
I have seen the document vs. application-
don't see that myself. I used them in much the same way when doing similar
work. Perhaps Dan could give a specific example?
Otto
On 8 September 2013 19:42, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>
>
> Dan,
>
> I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a little
> time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean by the below or
> a brief explanation, since my point of view is skewed?
>
> I have found the two to be similar in most things, with vocabulary the
> biggest difference. Once you understand what the other OS calls something,
> you then use help to find where it is. There may be a different number of
> steps to the conclusion, but the process is pretty much the same. So you
> can see, I don't understand your comment below.
>
>
Sun Sep 8, 2013 3:49 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim McGarvie" jgarv2002
I've only been using a Mac for a little less than three years, and this is the first I've heard of document- versus application-centric. But If I understand those terms correctly, one of the most obvious differences puzzled me when I first started out. I opened an app in the dock--Acrobat I think it was--and nothing seemed to happen. It took a while before I noticed the Acrobat menu at the top of the screen, and the rest is history.
On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with everything you say. Until 2001 I used a PC at work. I bought my first Mac in 2001 and for the next 8 years carried on using a PC at work and a Mac at home. For the last 4 years I've been Mac-only, with occasional looks at Windows and Linux on friends' computers. As a user I found far more similarities than differences.
>
> I have seen the document vs. application-centric description elsewhere but don't see that myself. I used them in much the same way when doing similar work. Perhaps Dan could give a specific example?
>
> Otto
>
> On 8 September 2013 19:42, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dan,
>
> I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is skewed?
>
> I have found the two to be similar in most things, with vocabulary the biggest difference. Once you understand what the other OS calls something, you then use help to find where it is. There may be a different number of steps to the conclusion, but the process is pretty much the same. So you can see, I don't understand your comment below.
>
>
>
>
On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
>
> I agree with everything you say. Until 2001 I used a PC at work. I bought my first Mac in 2001 and for the next 8 years carried on using a PC at work and a Mac at home. For the last 4 years I've been Mac-only, with occasional looks at Windows and Linux on friends' computers. As a user I found far more similarities than differences.
>
> I have seen the document vs. application-
>
> Otto
>
> On 8 September 2013 19:42, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>
>
> Dan,
>
> I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is skewed?
>
> I have found the two to be similar in most things, with vocabulary the biggest difference. Once you understand what the other OS calls something, you then use help to find where it is. There may be a different number of steps to the conclusion, but the process is pretty much the same. So you can see, I don't understand your comment below.
>
>
>
>
Sun Sep 8, 2013 4:19 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Patsy Price" beyondwords2
Brent wrote:
>I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a
>little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean
>by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is
>skewed?
about what Denver Dan wrote:
>5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
>to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
>users to do some things differently.
I can think of one thing. As a Mac user from way back (1987) I have
always had lots of windows open. Right now I have 21 windows open in
3 programs (plus a few tabs in my browser windows). Sometimes I have
up to 50 windows open at one time. When I must use my partner's
Windows machine, it wants to put everything for one application in
one window. So when I close that window, the whole application shuts
down. Aargh! Once upon a time I figured out how to convince it to
open separate windows, at least in Word. But I don't remember how.
The two approaches may be merging. I've noticed that in some of my
current Mac applications I may get new tabs instead of new windows
unless I say to do otherwise. But closing the last window still
doesn't close the application, thank goodness. I don't know what
happens in recent versions of Windows.
Patsy
>I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a
>little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean
>by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is
>skewed?
about what Denver Dan wrote:
>5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
>to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
>users to do some things differently.
I can think of one thing. As a Mac user from way back (1987) I have
always had lots of windows open. Right now I have 21 windows open in
3 programs (plus a few tabs in my browser windows). Sometimes I have
up to 50 windows open at one time. When I must use my partner'
Windows machine, it wants to put everything for one application in
one window. So when I close that window, the whole application shuts
down. Aargh! Once upon a time I figured out how to convince it to
open separate windows, at least in Word. But I don't remember how.
The two approaches may be merging. I've noticed that in some of my
current Mac applications I may get new tabs instead of new windows
unless I say to do otherwise. But closing the last window still
doesn't close the application, thank goodness. I don't know what
happens in recent versions of Windows.
Patsy
Sun Sep 8, 2013 9:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
I used Windows XP and the next version for 5 years, and _I did not notice_ a one window per app view. But then again, like I said, I did not notice.
Yes, I keep hearing about tabs as a new feature on new or future apps on a Mac, and as long as I can rip off the tabs to create new windows, I will be fine with it. If I can not rip off the tags, they "Lucy will have some 'splaining to do."
I almost never, other than streaming video, use any app in full screen. I often am taking info from one app to another, and full screen slows that down.
Let's see what Dan has to say, and if he means the same as you have explained. I'm just curious, but use what works for you. Some people are "mousers" and other are "key strokers", use what works for you. As situations change, at least you know you have options.
Brent
On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Patsy Price wrote:
Brent wrote:
>I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a
>little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean
>by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is
>skewed?
about what Denver Dan wrote:
>5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
>to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
>users to do some things differently.
I can think of one thing. As a Mac user from way back (1987) I have
always had lots of windows open. Right now I have 21 windows open in
3 programs (plus a few tabs in my browser windows). Sometimes I have
up to 50 windows open at one time. When I must use my partner's
Windows machine, it wants to put everything for one application in
one window. So when I close that window, the whole application shuts
down. Aargh! Once upon a time I figured out how to convince it to
open separate windows, at least in Word. But I don't remember how.
The two approaches may be merging. I've noticed that in some of my
current Mac applications I may get new tabs instead of new windows
unless I say to do otherwise. But closing the last window still
doesn't close the application, thank goodness. I don't know what
happens in recent versions of Windows.
Patsy
Yes, I keep hearing about tabs as a new feature on new or future apps on a Mac, and as long as I can rip off the tabs to create new windows, I will be fine with it. If I can not rip off the tags, they "Lucy will have some 'splaining to do."
I almost never, other than streaming video, use any app in full screen. I often am taking info from one app to another, and full screen slows that down.
Let's see what Dan has to say, and if he means the same as you have explained. I'm just curious, but use what works for you. Some people are "mousers" and other are "key strokers"
Brent
On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Patsy Price wrote:
Brent wrote:
>I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a
>little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean
>by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is
>skewed?
about what Denver Dan wrote:
>5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
>to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
>users to do some things differently.
I can think of one thing. As a Mac user from way back (1987) I have
always had lots of windows open. Right now I have 21 windows open in
3 programs (plus a few tabs in my browser windows). Sometimes I have
up to 50 windows open at one time. When I must use my partner'
Windows machine, it wants to put everything for one application in
one window. So when I close that window, the whole application shuts
down. Aargh! Once upon a time I figured out how to convince it to
open separate windows, at least in Word. But I don't remember how.
The two approaches may be merging. I've noticed that in some of my
current Mac applications I may get new tabs instead of new windows
unless I say to do otherwise. But closing the last window still
doesn't close the application, thank goodness. I don't know what
happens in recent versions of Windows.
Patsy
Sun Sep 8, 2013 9:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz
I dont follow this thread, for example this quote " Once upon a time I figured out how to convince it to
open separate windows, at least in Word. But I don't remember how."
Open a Word doc, either in Word or double clicking the document. Do that over and over anmd you will have one instance of Word, with mutliple documents also open. I can go to the Wiondows tab on Word and see the list of open docs. If I click the taskbar tab in Windows, thye bottom bar, I see a tab for Word, click that I see a list of the open docs.
If I open one, its full window, if in the Window tab in Word I take the Side by Sside option each doc is in its own Window
Seems that its the same in Mac and Windows, more an issue if a user isn't familiar with the function?
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From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net>
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Mac vs PC
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I used Windows XP and the next version for 5 years, and _I did not notice_ a one window per app view. But then again, like I said, I did not notice.�
Yes, I keep hearing about tabs as a new feature on new or future apps on a Mac, and as long as I can rip off the tabs to create new windows, I will be fine with it. If I can not rip off the tags, they "Lucy will have some 'splaining to do."
I almost never, other than streaming video, use any app in full screen. I often am taking info from one app to another, and full screen slows that down.
Let's see what Dan has to say, and if he means the same as you have explained. I'm just curious, but use what works for you. Some people are "mousers" and other are "key strokers", use what works for you. As situations change, at least you know you have options.
Brent
On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Patsy Price wrote:
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Brent wrote:
>I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a
>little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean
>by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is
>skewed?
about what Denver Dan wrote:
>5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
>to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
>users to do some things differently.
I can think of one thing. As a Mac user from way back (1987) I have
always had lots of windows open. Right now I have 21 windows open in
3 programs (plus a few tabs in my browser windows). Sometimes I have
up to 50 windows open at one time. When I must use my partner's
Windows machine, it wants to put everything for one application in
one window. So when I close that window, the whole application shuts
down. Aargh! Once upon a time I figured out how to convince it to
open separate windows, at least in Word. But I don't remember how.
The two approaches may be merging. I've noticed that in some of my
current Mac applications I may get new tabs instead of new windows
unless I say to do otherwise. But closing the last window still
doesn't close the application, thank goodness. I don't know what
happens in recent versions of Windows.
Patsy
open separate windows, at least in Word. But I don't remember how."
Open a Word doc, either in Word or double clicking the document. Do that over and over anmd you will have one instance of Word, with mutliple documents also open. I can go to the Wiondows tab on Word and see the list of open docs. If I click the taskbar tab in Windows, thye bottom bar, I see a tab for Word, click that I see a list of the open docs.
If I open one, its full window, if in the Window tab in Word I take the Side by Sside option each doc is in its own Window
Seems that its the same in Mac and Windows, more an issue if a user isn't familiar with the function?
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From: N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
To: macsupportcentral@
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Mac vs PC
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I used Windows XP and the next version for 5 years, and _I did not notice_ a one window per app view. But then again, like I said, I did not notice.�
Yes, I keep hearing about tabs as a new feature on new or future apps on a Mac, and as long as I can rip off the tabs to create new windows, I will be fine with it. If I can not rip off the tags, they "Lucy will have some 'splaining to do."
I almost never, other than streaming video, use any app in full screen. I often am taking info from one app to another, and full screen slows that down.
Let's see what Dan has to say, and if he means the same as you have explained. I'm just curious, but use what works for you. Some people are "mousers" and other are "key strokers"
Brent
On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Patsy Price wrote:
�
Brent wrote:
>I have spent the majority of my time on a Mac, but I have spent a
>little time in Windows. Could you give an example of what you mean
>by the below or a brief explanation, since my point of view is
>skewed?
about what Denver Dan wrote:
>5. Macintosh tends to be a document centric system while Windows tends
>to be an application centric system and this change requires Windows
>users to do some things differently.
I can think of one thing. As a Mac user from way back (1987) I have
always had lots of windows open. Right now I have 21 windows open in
3 programs (plus a few tabs in my browser windows). Sometimes I have
up to 50 windows open at one time. When I must use my partner'
Windows machine, it wants to put everything for one application in
one window. So when I close that window, the whole application shuts
down. Aargh! Once upon a time I figured out how to convince it to
open separate windows, at least in Word. But I don't remember how.
The two approaches may be merging. I've noticed that in some of my
current Mac applications I may get new tabs instead of new windows
unless I say to do otherwise. But closing the last window still
doesn't close the application, thank goodness. I don't know what
happens in recent versions of Windows.
Patsy
Sun Sep 8, 2013 11:29 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Yes, I looked at that article from encase-forensic-blog and was lost, too. I am not comfortable with Terminal and it seems like it would be a big lesson to learn how to do the Form Values editing. More than deleting the 300 items and re-entering the 200 items. You accumulated them one at a time.
But that is a decision that you will have to make. And looking at it from the other side, with 200 items to retain, or 100 items to delete, you have more incentive to learn the editing, than most.
Brent
On Sep 7, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Patsy Price wrote:
Thanks for looking for a solution Brent. I looked, too.
I'm pretty sure what I want is in Form Values found in Library ->
Safari. But it's gibberish. Today I found lots of discussions about
decrypting the Form Values and extracting information, but the
discussions were difficult for me to follow and most didn't deal with
editing the Form Values. Finally I may have found something, but my
brain isn't ready for it today:
<http://encase-forensic-blog.guidancesoftware.com/2013/06/safari-form-values-decryptor.html>
And I may never be ready for it. I've stayed away from Terminal for
good reason. But it's nice to know it might be possible to mess with
the form values if it's really, really important.
I decided to delete all my autofill items in Safari for Freecycle and
to start over. I hope it won't be too much work to add back in all
the items I want.
BTW, I'm glad to hear you've joined your local Freecycle group. Have fun there!
Patsy
But that is a decision that you will have to make. And looking at it from the other side, with 200 items to retain, or 100 items to delete, you have more incentive to learn the editing, than most.
Brent
On Sep 7, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Patsy Price wrote:
Thanks for looking for a solution Brent. I looked, too.
I'm pretty sure what I want is in Form Values found in Library ->
Safari. But it's gibberish. Today I found lots of discussions about
decrypting the Form Values and extracting information, but the
discussions were difficult for me to follow and most didn't deal with
editing the Form Values. Finally I may have found something, but my
brain isn't ready for it today:
<http://encase-
And I may never be ready for it. I've stayed away from Terminal for
good reason. But it's nice to know it might be possible to mess with
the form values if it's really, really important.
I decided to delete all my autofill items in Safari for Freecycle and
to start over. I hope it won't be too much work to add back in all
the items I want.
BTW, I'm glad to hear you've joined your local Freecycle group. Have fun there!
Patsy
Sun Sep 8, 2013 12:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Patsy Price" beyondwords2
I had hoped for a way to edit Safari's auto-fill items for the
Calgary Freecycle group that I moderate. I found the Form Values in
Library -> Safari, but they're encrypted. Instructions for decrypting
and extracting info, not even editing, look daunting. It's not worth
learning how to decrypt and then edit.
Brent wrote:
>Yes, I looked at that article from encase-forensic-blog and was
>lost, too. I am not comfortable with Terminal and it seems like it
>would be a big lesson to learn how to do the Form Values editing.
>More than deleting the 300 items and re-entering the 200 items. You
>accumulated them one at a time.
>
>But that is a decision that you will have to make. And looking at it
>from the other side, with 200 items to retain, or 100 items to
>delete, you have more incentive to learn the editing, than most.
Yesterday I deleted all my autofill items in Safari for Freecycle and
started adding them back in one at a time. It's not too bad--starting
clean is much better than dealing with all the junk that was there
before. And the real incentive: not to make any typos! Safari
autofill never forgets. ;-)
Thank you Brent, for accompanying me for a part of this journey.
Patsy
Calgary Freecycle group that I moderate. I found the Form Values in
Library -> Safari, but they're encrypted. Instructions for decrypting
and extracting info, not even editing, look daunting. It's not worth
learning how to decrypt and then edit.
Brent wrote:
>Yes, I looked at that article from encase-forensic-
>lost, too. I am not comfortable with Terminal and it seems like it
>would be a big lesson to learn how to do the Form Values editing.
>More than deleting the 300 items and re-entering the 200 items. You
>accumulated them one at a time.
>
>But that is a decision that you will have to make. And looking at it
>from the other side, with 200 items to retain, or 100 items to
>delete, you have more incentive to learn the editing, than most.
Yesterday I deleted all my autofill items in Safari for Freecycle and
started adding them back in one at a time. It's not too bad--starting
clean is much better than dealing with all the junk that was there
before. And the real incentive: not to make any typos! Safari
autofill never forgets. ;-)
Thank you Brent, for accompanying me for a part of this journey.
Patsy
Sun Sep 8, 2013 12:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bekah" bekalex
I was one of the people nodding and nodding during the recent discussion of spam. I never joined in because my problems were exactly the same - a recent sudden radical increase in the amount of spam I was getting. And not all of it was caught in the Mac junk folder. That lasted maybe a week or so (I can't remember now).
Update - about 3 days ago I experienced a sudden radical decrease in the amount of spam I get. It went from a few hundred a day (at the max) to maybe 20 now. (I get 2 or 3 hundred emails a day, fwiw. and that's not changed.) I have no idea what caused the sudden change - I did nothing except mark a few strays as junk. I suspect that someone somewhere in my provider's realm took off their spam-catcher, saw the results and put on a new one. That's all I can think. It's now less than it was prior to the surge upwards.
Bekah
Update - about 3 days ago I experienced a sudden radical decrease in the amount of spam I get. It went from a few hundred a day (at the max) to maybe 20 now. (I get 2 or 3 hundred emails a day, fwiw. and that's not changed.) I have no idea what caused the sudden change - I did nothing except mark a few strays as junk. I suspect that someone somewhere in my provider'
Bekah
Sun Sep 8, 2013 12:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Looking back on the volume of spam over the last 15 years, it comes and goes in waves. Part of it is the campaigns the spammers run, and part of it as the filters at the servers make advances.
20 a day is a lot, and to get "a few hundred a day (at the max)" at your daily volume of email is incredibly horrible. I would agree with your comment about your ISPs filtering being temporarily off-line.
I have been at the 200 - 300 emails a day in the past, and my max at that time was 10 - 20 spam a day, but that was years ago.
If I were to move to another email app, instead of trying to copy over all of my Rules, I would just copy over the ones that move things into my personal email folder or mailboxes. I would skip 90% of the Rules to catch spam. In fact, I might start testing that by slowly turning them off.
Brent
On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Bekah wrote:
I was one of the people nodding and nodding during the recent discussion of spam. I never joined in because my problems were exactly the same - a recent sudden radical increase in the amount of spam I was getting. And not all of it was caught in the Mac junk folder. That lasted maybe a week or so (I can't remember now).
Update - about 3 days ago I experienced a sudden radical decrease in the amount of spam I get. It went from a few hundred a day (at the max) to maybe 20 now. (I get 2 or 3 hundred emails a day, fwiw. and that's not changed.) I have no idea what caused the sudden change - I did nothing except mark a few strays as junk. I suspect that someone somewhere in my provider's realm took off their spam-catcher, saw the results and put on a new one. That's all I can think. It's now less than it was prior to the surge upwards.
Bekah
20 a day is a lot, and to get "a few hundred a day (at the max)" at your daily volume of email is incredibly horrible. I would agree with your comment about your ISPs filtering being temporarily off-line.
I have been at the 200 - 300 emails a day in the past, and my max at that time was 10 - 20 spam a day, but that was years ago.
If I were to move to another email app, instead of trying to copy over all of my Rules, I would just copy over the ones that move things into my personal email folder or mailboxes. I would skip 90% of the Rules to catch spam. In fact, I might start testing that by slowly turning them off.
Brent
On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Bekah wrote:
I was one of the people nodding and nodding during the recent discussion of spam. I never joined in because my problems were exactly the same - a recent sudden radical increase in the amount of spam I was getting. And not all of it was caught in the Mac junk folder. That lasted maybe a week or so (I can't remember now).
Update - about 3 days ago I experienced a sudden radical decrease in the amount of spam I get. It went from a few hundred a day (at the max) to maybe 20 now. (I get 2 or 3 hundred emails a day, fwiw. and that's not changed.) I have no idea what caused the sudden change - I did nothing except mark a few strays as junk. I suspect that someone somewhere in my provider'
Bekah
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