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- Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Dane Robison
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- Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Tod Hopkins
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- Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Terry Pogue
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- Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Chris Jones
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- Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Rob Frankel
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- Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Denver Dan
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- Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Curby Keith
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- Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Jim Saklad
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- Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Harry Flaxman
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- Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives? From: Harry Flaxman
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- Re: NEED ADVICE - WHICH IPAD TO BUY AS I CAN'T DECIDE From: ed-reiff
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- Software update advice From: Ken
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- Re: Software update advice From: Tod Hopkins
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- Re: Software update advice From: Terry Pogue
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Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com macdane1
Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:02 am (PDT)
Or does Apple use optical drives crappily? Or what?
I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to
take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because,
well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up
as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up
another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no
longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any
trouble reading them.
I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no
message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's
windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB
drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering
what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years
old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a
matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that
things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other
ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has
outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at
the same time.
Thanks!
Dane
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Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:32 am (PDT)
It's not a scientific observation, but my personal observation is that MacBook drives have problems or fail at a higher rates than desktop drives, but that's to be expected and does not seem worse than Windows laptops. In theory, any drive in the hostile environment of a laptop will have a higher failure rate due to heat, physical shock, and environmental contaminants. And specific drives in specific models (or any machine) have higher failure rates or are less "flexible" than others.
And yes, the age of the drive matters as does the particular stock, and these are related. As stocks change to make them cheaper and "faster" this changes the read/write characteristics of the disc subtly. Drives often need firmware adjustment to except these newer stocks and older drives don't get these adjustments. Also, older drives become less accomodating over time as they wear and become dirtier.
Cheers,
tod
On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Dane Robison wrote:
> Or does Apple use optical drives crappily? Or what?
>
> I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to
> take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because,
> well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up
> as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up
> another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no
> longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any
> trouble reading them.
>
> I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no
> message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
>
> Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's
> windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB
> drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering
> what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
>
> Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years
> old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a
> matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that
> things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other
> ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has
> outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at
> the same time.
>
> Thanks!
> Dane
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Terry Pogue" tpogue@comcast.net terrypogue_2000
Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:36 am (PDT)
Or are they just doing away with optical drives. I think so.
Terry
Sent from my iPadHD
On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Dane Robison <macdane@mac.com > wrote:
> Or does Apple use optical drives crappily? Or what?
>
> I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to
> take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because,
> well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up
> as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up
> another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no
> longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any
> trouble reading them.
>
> I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no
> message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
>
> Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's
> windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB
> drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering
> what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
>
> Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years
> old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a
> matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that
> things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other
> ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has
> outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at
> the same time.
>
> Thanks!
> Dane
>
>
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Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk bobstermcbob
Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:37 am (PDT)
Hi,
I don't know how often you use your drive, but I use my optical drive so
infrequently, that each time I do I invariably find it does not work,
just through dust build up... Sticking in a cleaning disk and giving it
a through clean has always fixed the problem.....
Chris
On 22/03/12 13:02, Dane Robison wrote:
> Or does Apple use optical drives crappily? Or what?
>
> I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to
> take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because,
> well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up
> as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up
> another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no
> longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any
> trouble reading them.
>
> I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no
> message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
>
> Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's
> windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB
> drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering
> what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
>
> Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years
> old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a
> matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that
> things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other
> ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has
> outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at
> the same time.
>
> Thanks!
> Dane
>
>
> --------------------- --------- ------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral. >com/policies/
>
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Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Rob Frankel" rob@robfrankel.com robfrankeldotcom
Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:49 am (PDT)
FYI, when my kids' black MacBooks' optical drives began failing some
years ago -- after the warranty had expired -- we took the machines
back to the Apple store, where the Genius bar quietly took them into
the back and replaced them at no charge.
The subsequent rumor was that a large number of MacBooks did indeed
have faulty drives, but Apple never issued a public recall. Seems
they pretty much left it to the squeaky wheels who made noise about
it.
This happened to two of the three black MacBooks we owned and have
since replaced.
At 9:02 AM -0400 3/22/12, Dane Robison wrote thusly:
>Or does Apple use optical drives crappily? Or what?
>
>I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to
>take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because,
>well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up
>as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up
>another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no
>longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any
>trouble reading them.
>
>I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no
>message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
>
>Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's
>windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB
>drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering
>what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
>
>Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years
>old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a
>matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that
>things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other
>ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has
>outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at
>the same time.
>
>Thanks!
>Dane
>
--
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Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:56 am (PDT)
Howdy.
I think Apple uses sub standard and unreliable slot loading optical
drives in laptops and iMacs.
I've had a number of friends and neighbors, a personal experience, and
read of many people here on this group with slot loading drive
problems. We've discussed this here several times in the past.
However, note please, that I have a 1st generation MacPro tower and the
original equipment tray loading optical drive is still working just
fine after burning and reading many, many, many discs.
I suggest folks with these problems should leave a message with Apple
Feedback.
<http://www.apple.com/feedback/ >
Denver Dan
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:02:45 -0400, Dane Robison wrote:
> Or does Apple use optical drives crappily? Or what?
>
> I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to
> take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because,
> well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up
> as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up
> another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no
> longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any
> trouble reading them.
>
> I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no
> message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
>
> Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's
> windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB
> drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering
> what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
>
> Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years
> old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a
> matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that
> things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other
> ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has
> outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at
> the same time.
>
> Thanks!
> Dane
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Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Curby Keith" clkeith50@yahoo.com clkeith50
Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:13 am (PDT)
I have several (7) Mac Minis here and the only one that MIGHT have a working drive is the old G4 Mini that is too slow to use. I've replaced most of them with LG external drives that can be bought on Ebay for $40. The Firewire models are getting hard to find, though.
Curby
Del City, OK
>____________________ _________ ___
> From: Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net >
>To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [macsupport] Apple uses crappy optical drives?
>
>
>
>Howdy.
>
>I think Apple uses sub standard and unreliable slot loading optical
>drives in laptops and iMacs.
>
>I've had a number of friends and neighbors, a personal experience, and
>read of many people here on this group with slot loading drive
>problems. We've discussed this here several times in the past.
>
>However, note please, that I have a 1st generation MacPro tower and the
>original equipment tray loading optical drive is still working just
>fine after burning and reading many, many, many discs.
>
>I suggest folks with these problems should leave a message with Apple
>Feedback.
>
><http://www.apple.com/feedback/ >
>
>Denver Dan
>
>On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:02:45 -0400, Dane Robison wrote:
>> Or does Apple use optical drives crappily? Or what?
>>
>> I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to
>> take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because,
>> well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up
>> as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up
>> another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no
>> longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any
>> trouble reading them.
>>
>> I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no
>> message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
>>
>> Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's
>> windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB
>> drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering
>> what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
>>
>> Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years
>> old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a
>> matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that
>> things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other
>> ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has
>> outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at
>> the same time.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dane
>
>
>
>
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Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:34 pm (PDT)
Strange.
For several years now I have had the free version of Osirix (<http://www.osirix-viewer.com/ >) on my Macs, and I try always to get a CD of my "films" when I get any study done. Also for friends' studies.
To date, I have never had a problem reading the CD's and importing the images into Osirix. Currently using a late-2008-model Macbook Pro.
That said, I have gotten the impression that the single weakest component of a recent Mac is the optical drive, and I have no problem with Apple no longer putting them in their portable computers.
> I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because, well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any trouble reading them.
>
> I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
>
> Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
>
> Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at the same time.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com hflaxman001
Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:26 pm (PDT)
On 3/22/2012 12:13 PM, Curby Keith wrote:
> I have several (7) Mac Minis here and the only one that MIGHT have a working drive is the old G4 Mini that is too slow to use. I've replaced most of them with LG external drives that can be bought on Ebay for $40. The Firewire models are getting hard to find, though.
>
> Curby
> Del City, OK
>
>
>
>
>> _____________________ _________ __
>> From: Denver Dan<denver.dan@verizon.net >
>> To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Apple uses crappy optical drives?
>>
>>
>>
>> Howdy.
>>
>> I think Apple uses sub standard and unreliable slot loading optical
>> drives in laptops and iMacs.
>>
>> I've had a number of friends and neighbors, a personal experience, and
>> read of many people here on this group with slot loading drive
>> problems. We've discussed this here several times in the past.
>>
>> However, note please, that I have a 1st generation MacPro tower and the
>> original equipment tray loading optical drive is still working just
>> fine after burning and reading many, many, many discs.
>>
>> I suggest folks with these problems should leave a message with Apple
>> Feedback.
>>
>> <http://www.apple.com/feedback/ >
>>
>> Denver Dan
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:02:45 -0400, Dane Robison wrote:
>>> Or does Apple use optical drives crappily? Or what?
>>>
>>> I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to
>>> take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because,
>>> well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up
>>> as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up
>>> another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no
>>> longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any
>>> trouble reading them.
>>>
>>> I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no
>>> message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
>>>
>>> Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's
>>> windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB
>>> drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering
>>> what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
>>>
>>> Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years
>>> old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a
>>> matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that
>>> things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other
>>> ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has
>>> outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Dane
I've had 2 iMacs with slot-loaders, 1 tray loading Powermac, and
whatever tray loaders came with the G4's and G3's over the years. I had
an instance of 1 tray loader misbehaving on me and replaced during that
period of time. I'd say maybe 7 years of using tray loading drives.
I don't see the rhyme or reason to it at this point.
Harry
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Re: Apple uses crappy optical drives?
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com hflaxman001
Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:29 pm (PDT)
On 3/22/2012 5:25 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
> On 3/22/2012 12:13 PM, Curby Keith wrote:
>> I have several (7) Mac Minis here and the only one that MIGHT have a
>> working drive is the old G4 Mini that is too slow to use. I've
>> replaced most of them with LG external drives that can be bought on
>> Ebay for $40. The Firewire models are getting hard to find, though.
>>
>> Curby
>> Del City, OK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> _____________________ _________ __
>>> From: Denver Dan<denver.dan@verizon.net >
>>> To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Apple uses crappy optical drives?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Howdy.
>>>
>>> I think Apple uses sub standard and unreliable slot loading optical
>>> drives in laptops and iMacs.
>>>
>>> I've had a number of friends and neighbors, a personal experience, and
>>> read of many people here on this group with slot loading drive
>>> problems. We've discussed this here several times in the past.
>>>
>>> However, note please, that I have a 1st generation MacPro tower and the
>>> original equipment tray loading optical drive is still working just
>>> fine after burning and reading many, many, many discs.
>>>
>>> I suggest folks with these problems should leave a message with Apple
>>> Feedback.
>>>
>>> <http://www.apple.com/feedback/ >
>>>
>>> Denver Dan
>>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:02:45 -0400, Dane Robison wrote:
>>>> Or does Apple use optical drives crappily? Or what?
>>>>
>>>> I had a CAT scan yesterday and they gave me a CD full of results to
>>>> take elsewhere. When I got home I figured I'd save a copy because,
>>>> well, it's cool stuff. I put the CD in my unibody MBP and it showed up
>>>> as a blank CD-R. Hmm. After driving back to the hospital to pick up
>>>> another disc this morning, same thing. I'm aware that my MBP can no
>>>> longer burn discs of any type, but to my knowledge I've never had any
>>>> trouble reading them.
>>>>
>>>> I grabbed my daughter's black MacBook and it spit the disc out with no
>>>> message whatsoever. My wife's white MacBook? Same thing.
>>>>
>>>> Before getting really pissed at the hospital, I tried a friend's
>>>> windows laptop and it loaded right up. We copied the files to a USB
>>>> drive and everything's great now. Well, except that I'm wondering
>>>> what's up with the superdrives in all of our Macs.
>>>>
>>>> Mine is almost 3 years old; the other two are probably 4-ish years
>>>> old. The windows laptop is less than a year old. Could this be a
>>>> matter of MacBooks having a longer useful life than PCs (so that
>>>> things like optical drives begin to fail), or are there any other
>>>> ideas floating around out there? I think every recent Mac I've had has
>>>> outlived its optical drive, which is cool but a pain in the butt at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Dane
>
> I've had 2 iMacs with slot-loaders, 1 tray loading Powermac, and
> whatever tray loaders came with the G4's and G3's over the years. I had
> an instance of 1 tray loader misbehaving on me and replaced during that
> period of time. I'd say maybe 7 years of using tray loading drives.
>
> I don't see the rhyme or reason to it at this point.
>
> Harry
>
>
>> --------------------- --------- ------
>>
>>
Whoops!! The misbehaving 'tray' should have been 'slot'!
My mistake!
Harry
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Re: NEED ADVICE - WHICH IPAD TO BUY AS I CAN'T DECIDE
Posted by: "ed-reiff" ed@reiff.com ed-reiff
Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:35 am (PDT)
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , James Robertson <jamesrob@..com .> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jim Robertson wrote:
>
> > That leaves the screen, and for that, there's nothing that replaces comparing with your own peepers :-)
>
> I spent about 15 minutes this morning looking at an iPad 2 and "new iPad" right next to each other: playing the same videos, reading the same eBooks, looking at the same pictures and web pages and email messages on both simultaneously.
>
> I could tell that the new iPad had a higher resolution screen, but in the end I don't think it was anything approaching a game changer. I think you could make a case for buying a higher RAM level in an iPad 2 for the same price. If you'll be downloading files and are in an area where you'll have reliable LTE that would be a major point in favor of the new model.
>
> Jim Robertson
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
You can get a refurbished IPad 2 from Apple for almost half the price of an IPad3. Look at the differences and if they are not a "game changer" for you, go for the better price. You will also have to decide if you wil need and want to pay for a data plan or wifi will be enough.
Ed
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Software update advice
Posted by: "Ken" avlisk@cox.net avliska
Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:40 am (PDT)
About 5 or 6 weeks ago, there was chatter about various Apple software updates causing operation problems. I thought I'd wait for things to settle down and sort out before updating.
My auto updater asks me now if I want to update iTunes, Airport, and MacOS. What was the advice decided upon for which ones to update and which ones to avoid at that time? Have things settled down and sorted out their issues? Should I go ahead and update them all at this time? Thanks, folks.
Ken Silva
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Re: Software update advice
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:21 am (PDT)
If you run a critical system, such as professional video editing suite, graphics workstation, or server, it is commonly advised to wait a week (at least) before installing updates. This is just a precaution. When bugs do arise, they generally apply to just such uncommon uses, plus, "down time" is expensive. Many also recommend using combo updaters only rather than Software update.
If you delay, you need to monitor resources that use systems the same way you do, or there is no point. For instance, I would never catch the important bugs unless I monitored "editing" lists. Macsupportcentral does not "see" the bugs that are important to me.
For everyone else, eh... Frankly, I manage roughly seven professional Macs and I have never advised my users to intentionally delay running updates. However, as a practical matter, I do not advise rushing them either and since they are an interruption to working routines, so they are generally delayed in any case.
The only updates I do not delay are "security" updates. Everything else waits at least until it is not interrupting my workflow. Only once have I have intentionally "skipped" an update because of problems discovered that I knew would affect my systems.
Cheers,
tod
On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Ken wrote:
> About 5 or 6 weeks ago, there was chatter about various Apple software updates causing operation problems. I thought I'd wait for things to settle down and sort out before updating.
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> My auto updater asks me now if I want to update iTunes, Airport, and MacOS. What was the advice decided upon for which ones to update and which ones to avoid at that time? Have things settled down and sorted out their issues? Should I go ahead and update them all at this time? Thanks, folks.
> Ken Silva
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>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Software update advice
Posted by: "Terry Pogue" tpogue@comcast.net terrypogue_2000
Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:56 am (PDT)
I always wait at least a week before installing iTunes. That is the one program I use all the times..books and movies. I hate having problems when they change the way I organize and load audiobooks on my iDevices so I just wait to make sure all is well and the audiobook groups aren't squealing about some change or little problem. It's never been a serious problem just a precaution. The other programs I use a lot is the Adobe Creative Suite but I've never had a problem with the CS stuff so that us always updated as soon as I hear it's ready.
Terry
Sent from my iPadHD
On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Tod Hopkins <hoplist@hillmanncarr.com > wrote:
> If you run a critical system, such as professional video editing suite, graphics workstation, or server, it is commonly advised to wait a week (at least) before installing updates. This is just a precaution. When bugs do arise, they generally apply to just such uncommon uses, plus, "down time" is expensive. Many also recommend using combo updaters only rather than Software update.
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> If you delay, you need to monitor resources that use systems the same way you do, or there is no point. For instance, I would never catch the important bugs unless I monitored "editing" lists. Macsupportcentral does not "see" the bugs that are important to me.
>
> For everyone else, eh... Frankly, I manage roughly seven professional Macs and I have never advised my users to intentionally delay running updates. However, as a practical matter, I do not advise rushing them either and since they are an interruption to working routines, so they are generally delayed in any case.
>
> The only updates I do not delay are "security" updates. Everything else waits at least until it is not interrupting my workflow. Only once have I have intentionally "skipped" an update because of problems discovered that I knew would affect my systems.
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> Cheers,
> tod
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> On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Ken wrote:
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>> About 5 or 6 weeks ago, there was chatter about various Apple software updates causing operation problems. I thought I'd wait for things to settle down and sort out before updating.
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>> My auto updater asks me now if I want to update iTunes, Airport, and MacOS. What was the advice decided upon for which ones to update and which ones to avoid at that time? Have things settled down and sorted out their issues? Should I go ahead and update them all at this time? Thanks, folks.
>> Ken Silva
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Re: Securing Wifi connections
Posted by: "Tight Guy" jcrowe@jcrowe.net jcrowe1950
Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:32 am (PDT)
Hi Folks,
I'd use this service over doing nothing. It will provide a modicum of privacy for people using lightly or totally unprotected wireless networks in public places. It does do logging and tracking of activities at some level though. If you are a real stickler for privacy and anonymity, then you might want to opt for a more privacy oriented VPN service. VPN clients are freely available and in fact are built in on the iOS devices. I use Viscosity which goes for $9. VPN services, typically located overseas, that do no logging cost from $5 to $10 a month. Setup is actually pretty simple too. If anybody is interested, I'll post some details of how I set up my VPN service.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , Tod Hopkins <hoplist@...com > wrote:
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> Looks nice. Would be awesome if they also anonymized the connections! I mean if your going to route through a proxy you might as well kill two birds with one stone. Well, they can't anonymize the fact that you are using the service, because they must measure your usage, but they could anonymize the activity.
For anybody who is using this service, look at your IP address before and after you crank up the VPN. It should look to the outside world as if your IP address is the address of the VPN server you are connected to. That should make your connection somewhat anonymous.
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> Cheers,
> tod
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> On Mar 20, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
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> > Sometimes it was hard to find a cheap or free VPN client; sometimes the client went away; sometimes it was a hassle to set up.
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> > I just encountered a MacWorld article on a service that makes it easy (and secure) on both Macs and iDevices:
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> > <http://www.macworld.com/article/ >1165985/cloak_ secures_your_ internet_ traffic_without_ the_hassle. html
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> > I set it up on laptop, iPhone and iPad in a matter of about 5 minutes.
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Re: Randy?
Posted by: "Henry Kalir" kalirhe@umdnj.edu snookey1000
Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:42 am (PDT)
Hope you had a GREAT vacation, and thanks for all your contributions to this list!
Henry
On 03/21/12, "Randy B. Singer" <randy@macattorney.com > wrote:
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> On Mar 21, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
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> > Has anyone heard from Randy Singer lately? It's been about 10 days
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> > I dropped him a note.
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> > Is he on vacation?
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> Yep...I was!
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> I'm back. 8-)
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> Thanks for noticing that I was gone.
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Re: Randy?
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:22 am (PDT)
On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Henry Kalir wrote:
> Hope you had a GREAT vacation,
Thank you! Actually I just went to see my aged mom in So. Cal.
> and thanks for all your contributions to this list!
It is always my pleasure. I'm glad that I can contribute something
of value occasionally.
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Re: Randy?
Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net mstupinski
Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:43 pm (PDT)
In addition to adding my thanks to those voiced by Henry,
congratulations on:
1. Traveling to spend time with your mom
2. Taking a break from the list to make it quality time.
......Mike
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> Thank you! Actually I just went to see my aged mom in So. Cal.
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>> and thanks for all your contributions to this list!
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> It is always my pleasure. I'm glad that I can contribute something
> of value occasionally.
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Re: iPad Trade In Program from Apple
Posted by: "Dean" W5GXL.Dean@gmail.com w5gxl_dean
Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:43 am (PDT)
It is true
I just traded in my IPad 1 for a new IPad 2
The IPad 2 was $100 off and I got $230 for my IPad 1
My old IPad was 4 years old and I wondered how much longer the battery would last.
I had an IPad 1 64 with 3G on AT&T. I picked up the IPad 2 e/w the same.
I was very happy.
Dean W5GXL
On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:06 PM, chas wrote:
> I see some advert on tv last night about a Gazelle.com who wants to buy your
> iPad ????
>
> no idea what it is about. hearing that short of screen niceness, you are as
> well off to use or buy a G3 or iPad2 instead. unless you are a gamer or deep
> pocket faddist.
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> fwiw
> chas
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> On 3/16/12 8:54 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> > Howdy.
> >
> > I just heard a radio story this morning that Apple may be offering up to
> > $300 on a trade in but I haven't seen any details on this and haven't had
> > time to check.
> >
> > Worth looking into though.
> >
> > Denver Dan
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Re: iPad Trade In Program from Apple
Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com boulware0224
Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:52 am (PDT)
Um the iPad 1 3G came out April 2010 unless you had it 2 years prior to launch.
Sent from a mobile device, please ignore any auto corrected or
typographical errors.
On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:44, Dean <W5GXL.Dean@gmail.com > wrote:
> It is true
> I just traded in my IPad 1 for a new IPad 2
> The IPad 2 was $100 off and I got $230 for my IPad 1
> My old IPad was 4 years old and I wondered how much longer the battery would last.
> I had an IPad 1 64 with 3G on AT&T. I picked up the IPad 2 e/w the same.
> I was very happy.
> Dean W5GXL
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> On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:06 PM, chas wrote:
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>> I see some advert on tv last night about a Gazelle.com who wants to buy your
>> iPad ????
>>
>> no idea what it is about. hearing that short of screen niceness, you are as
>> well off to use or buy a G3 or iPad2 instead. unless you are a gamer or deep
>> pocket faddist.
>>
>> fwiw
>> chas
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>> On 3/16/12 8:54 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>>> Howdy.
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>>> I just heard a radio story this morning that Apple may be offering up to
>>> $300 on a trade in but I haven't seen any details on this and haven't had
>>> time to check.
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iTunes Artwork Screen Saver
Posted by: "The Wizard who eats Gizards" THEWIZARDOFAZ@COX.NET wizardofaz2002
Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:38 am (PDT)
I use iTunes a lot for listening to lower quality files, like mp3 at less than 320mps that won't be very high quality if I burned them to disc. Anyway, if you go into the system preferences area where you set the desktop and screensaver, you will find a surprise. If you select iTunes Artwork as the screen saver you'll find a feature that most don't know is there. As you mouse over each album art cover, the image gets a little play symbol, the > symbol. You can choose music to listen to by just clicking an album cover! Cool.
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Fly by iPhone - Griffin HELO TC
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:08 am (PDT)
Howdy.
A slight departure from the mundane according to Griffin Tech - and fun
toys. :-)
You can get their flying remote control helicopter, the HELO TC, and
fly it with your iPhone.
<http://www.griffintechnology. >com/helo- tc-touch- controlled- toy-helicopter
I am imagining driving you car by iPhone in a few weeks!
Denver Dan
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mac.com email on a pre 10.7 Mac after converting to iCloud
Posted by: "N.A, Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:52 am (PDT)
Well, the shoe is on the other foot, ouch, and the answer is not
obvious.
My MBP running 10.7.3 had to go in for repairs, so I'm having to use
my Quickilver G4 running 10.5.8 for a few days. I could not get
Mail.app to access my mac.com account. I had already converted my
MobileMe account to iCloud. I could reach my email at icloud.com, so
that was a temporary work-around, but I don't like web mail.
I thought that I would share with the solution I have found.
https://discussions.apple.com/ thread/3803694? tstart=0
I had been directed to delete my mac.com account in Mail, and recreate
it, but before I did, I archived all of the Inbox and then moved my
mac.com account into a new folder On My Mac. This turned out to be
unnecessary, but it is better to be backed up than sorry. And
recreating it automatically does not work.
I then manually recreated the mac.com account in Mail. Do not use the
automatic feature and do not use the auto-fill information. Use the
information given in the discussion cited above.
I also did some more housekeeping. I went into Keychain Access and
looked for all the items for mac.com or me.com. I had recently changed
my password so I had a lot of items with red x's. I deleted all the
certificates and will allow them to repopulate. I then checked all of
the passwords. You can see the date it was last changed, but you may
want to open them up and check the password anyway.
I also had a few issues to resolve on syncing, even though I have
converted to iCloud and they are no longer sync'd through MobileMe. It
still wanted me to resolve these conflicts, even though it no longer
seems to sync with this old Mac.
So I did lose the ability to sync iCal, Contacts and Notes with this
pre-10.7 Mac, but email to mac.com or me.com is still available. Now
to go fix the G4 Dual Audio for mac.com.
Brent
PS, since I set it up as mac.com, if you look in the Mail Account
information for this account, it shows the email address as both
mac.com and me.com in one line. It collapses the outgoing mail server
section, but you have to enter most of the information when you set it
up.
Enjoy!
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Instructions appear in Czechoslovakian
Posted by: "fussyoldfart" fussyoldfart@gmail.com fussyoldfart
Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:13 pm (PDT)
What has happened is that just once I went exploring in OS X to find an accented character for a Czechoslovakian given name. This was several years ago so I have no idea how to get back to it nor what I did when I was there. Now when I want to install something, like a new app, the "click here" sort of instructions appear in what I suspect is Czech. Oh, one more thing, font names and types also seem to be in a foreign language which is probably Czech. Other than that everything is normal.
Does anyone know how I can get things back into English? It will be some configuration or preferences file I guess, but where?
Darrell
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Re: Instructions appear in Czechoslovakian
Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net barryaus
Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:55 pm (PDT)
At 2:13 AM +0000 3/23/12, fussyoldfart wrote:
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>What has happened is that just once I went exploring in OS X to find
>an accented character for a Czechoslovakian given name. This was
>several years ago so I have no idea how to get back to it nor what I
>did when I was there. Now when I want to install something, like a
>new app, the "click here" sort of instructions appear in what I
>suspect is Czech. Oh, one more thing, font names and types also seem
>to be in a foreign language which is probably Czech. Other than that
>everything is normal.
>
>Does anyone know how I can get things back into English? It will be
>some configuration or preferences file I guess, but where?
You did not say what version of the OS you are using, but in Snow
Leopard it is the Language and Text pref pane. In earlier versions it
is the keyboard pane. Go here and select English. If you do not have
Old Glory in the menu bar (assuming you are American) then in the
Input Sources tab hit that check box. You can check many languages so
you can then select the one you want by clicking on the flag (unless
you use Spell Catcher, in which case it is a yellow check mark)
In the first tab (again speaking vis a vis Snow Leopard) sort the
languages so that English is the first one.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
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