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Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barbara Adamski" bkadamski
Weird.
I just reset Airport Extreme and was able to ignore the double NAT and have it go green.
Now that I know what I'm doing, is it better to have double NAT or "connection unknown"?
As for the Apple TV issue, I took it in, and they ended up giving me a new one. It lost its connection in the store as well.
Thanks for all your help!
b
On 2013-04-29, at 2:13 PM, Barb Adamski <adamski@telus.net > wrote:
> No worries. But it won't change back to green. The Internet is still working, though, and I'm at the Genius Bar figuring out the Apple TV issue--I hope!
>
> Barb Adamski
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 2013-04-29, at 1:02 PM, Pat Taylor <pat412@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > You
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I just reset Airport Extreme and was able to ignore the double NAT and have it go green.
Now that I know what I'm doing, is it better to have double NAT or "connection unknown"
As for the Apple TV issue, I took it in, and they ended up giving me a new one. It lost its connection in the store as well.
Thanks for all your help!
b
On 2013-04-29, at 2:13 PM, Barb Adamski <adamski@telus.
> No worries. But it won't change back to green. The Internet is still working, though, and I'm at the Genius Bar figuring out the Apple TV issue--I hope!
>
> Barb Adamski
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 2013-04-29, at 1:02 PM, Pat Taylor <pat412@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > You
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to read it on a computer.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...> wrote:
>
> Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> copy of the book you paid for.
> > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@...>
> > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> >
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...
> > <mailto:tjod%40runbox.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from one
> > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > >
> >
> > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is protected by
> > DRM.
> >
> > ob
> >
> >
> > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@...>
> > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from one
> > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> >
> > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@...>
> > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> >
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...
> > <mailto:jrswebhome%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not open
> > on the iPhone4.
> > >
> >
> > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> >
> > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But damn I
> > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> >
> > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > do use the ePub format.
> >
> > bob
> >
> > bob morin
> > rbmorin11@... <mailto:rbmorin11%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@...>
> > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> >
> > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not open
> > on the iPhone4.
> >
> > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> >
> > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > read their books on them?
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> copy of the book you paid for.
> > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> >
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...
> > <mailto:tjod%
> >
> > > Calibre http://calibre-
> > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from one
> > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > >
> >
> > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is protected by
> > DRM.
> >
> > ob
> >
> >
> > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@
> > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > Calibre http://calibre-
> > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from one
> > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> >
> > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> >
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
> > <mailto:jrswebho
> >
> > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not open
> > on the iPhone4.
> > >
> >
> > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> >
> > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But damn I
> > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> >
> > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > do use the ePub format.
> >
> > bob
> >
> > bob morin
> > rbmorin11@..
> >
> >
> > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebho
> > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> >
> > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not open
> > on the iPhone4.
> >
> > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> >
> > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > read their books on them?
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Agreed.
And you may not have noticed, but this issue has come up here, several times before, for several years.
You basically have two choices, live with it or ask Apple to refund the purchase.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to read it on a computer.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...> wrote:
>
> Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> copy of the book you paid for.
> > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@...>
> > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> >
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...
> > <mailto:tjod%40runbox.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from one
> > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > >
> >
> > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is protected by
> > DRM.
> >
> > ob
> >
> >
> > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@...>
> > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from one
> > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> >
> > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@...>
> > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> >
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...
> > <mailto:jrswebhome%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not open
> > on the iPhone4.
> > >
> >
> > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> >
> > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But damn I
> > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> >
> > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > do use the ePub format.
> >
> > bob
> >
> > bob morin
> > rbmorin11@... <mailto:rbmorin11%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@...>
> > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> >
> > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not open
> > on the iPhone4.
> >
> > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> >
> > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > read their books on them?
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
And you may not have noticed, but this issue has come up here, several times before, for several years.
You basically have two choices, live with it or ask Apple to refund the purchase.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to read it on a computer.
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> copy of the book you paid for.
> > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> >
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...
> > <mailto:tjod%
> >
> > > Calibre http://calibre-
> > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from one
> > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > >
> >
> > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is protected by
> > DRM.
> >
> > ob
> >
> >
> > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@
> > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > Calibre http://calibre-
> > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from one
> > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> >
> > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> >
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
> > <mailto:jrswebho
> >
> > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not open
> > on the iPhone4.
> > >
> >
> > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> >
> > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But damn I
> > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> >
> > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > do use the ePub format.
> >
> > bob
> >
> > bob morin
> > rbmorin11@..
> >
> >
> > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebho
> > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> >
> > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not open
> > on the iPhone4.
> >
> > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> >
> > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > read their books on them?
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:53 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"bob morin" rbmorin2002
On Apr 29, 2013, at 5:52 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.
> Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to read it on a computer.
>
I agree, I did so but no longer remember how. I will never buy a book again from apple i tunes.
bob
bob morin
rbmorin11@gmail.
Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue
Worth a read, depending on how strongly you feel about the subject:
https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/apple-and-ebooks-ibookstore-drm-and-how-to-remove-it/
> N.A. Nada <mailto:whodo678@comcast.net >
> April 29, 2013 4:36 PM
> Agreed.
>
> And you may not have noticed, but this issue has come up here, several
> times before, for several years.
>
> You basically have two choices, live with it or ask Apple to refund
> the purchase.
>
> Brent
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
>
> Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> read it on a computer.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@yahoo.com >
> April 29, 2013 3:52 PM
>
> Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> read it on a computer.
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:macsupportcentral%40yahoogroups.com>, Tim O'Donoghue
> <tjod@...> wrote:
> >
> > Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> > copy of the book you paid for.
> > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@...>
> > > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...
> > > <mailto:tjod%40runbox.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions
> from one
> > > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is
> protected by
> > > DRM.
> > >
> > > ob
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@...>
> > > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from
> one
> > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > >
> > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@...>
> > > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...
> > > <mailto:jrswebhome%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> open
> > > on the iPhone4.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> > >
> > > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But
> damn I
> > > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> > >
> > > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > > do use the ePub format.
> > >
> > > bob
> > >
> > > bob morin
> > > rbmorin11@... <mailto:rbmorin11%40gmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@...>
> > > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> > >
> > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> open
> > > on the iPhone4.
> > >
> > > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > > read their books on them?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
https://apprenticea
> N.A. Nada <mailto:whodo678@comcast.
> April 29, 2013 4:36 PM
> Agreed.
>
> And you may not have noticed, but this issue has come up here, several
> times before, for several years.
>
> You basically have two choices, live with it or ask Apple to refund
> the purchase.
>
> Brent
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
>
> Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> read it on a computer.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@yahoo.
> April 29, 2013 3:52 PM
>
> Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> read it on a computer.
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
> <mailto:macsuppo
> <tjod@...
> >
> > Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> > copy of the book you paid for.
> > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...
> > > <mailto:tjod%
> > >
> > > > Calibre http://calibre-
> > > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions
> from one
> > > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is
> protected by
> > > DRM.
> > >
> > > ob
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@
> > > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > > Calibre http://calibre-
> > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from
> one
> > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > >
> > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
> > > <mailto:jrswebho
> > >
> > > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> open
> > > on the iPhone4.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> > >
> > > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But
> damn I
> > > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> > >
> > > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > > do use the ePub format.
> > >
> > > bob
> > >
> > > bob morin
> > > rbmorin11@..
> > >
> > >
> > > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebho
> > > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> > >
> > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> open
> > > on the iPhone4.
> > >
> > > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > > read their books on them?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
For private use, I have not problem with changing media.
I'll look into it later.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
Worth a read, depending on how strongly you feel about the subject:
https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/apple-and-ebooks-ibookstore-drm-and-how-to-remove-it/
> N.A. Nada <mailto:whodo678@comcast.net >
> April 29, 2013 4:36 PM
> Agreed.
>
> And you may not have noticed, but this issue has come up here, several
> times before, for several years.
>
> You basically have two choices, live with it or ask Apple to refund
> the purchase.
>
> Brent
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
>
> Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> read it on a computer.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@yahoo.com >
> April 29, 2013 3:52 PM
>
> Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> read it on a computer.
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:macsupportcentral%40yahoogroups.com>, Tim O'Donoghue
> <tjod@...> wrote:
> >
> > Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> > copy of the book you paid for.
> > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@...>
> > > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...
> > > <mailto:tjod%40runbox.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions
> from one
> > > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is
> protected by
> > > DRM.
> > >
> > > ob
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@...>
> > > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from
> one
> > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > >
> > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@...>
> > > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...
> > > <mailto:jrswebhome%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> open
> > > on the iPhone4.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> > >
> > > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But
> damn I
> > > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> > >
> > > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > > do use the ePub format.
> > >
> > > bob
> > >
> > > bob morin
> > > rbmorin11@... <mailto:rbmorin11%40gmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@...>
> > > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> > >
> > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> open
> > > on the iPhone4.
> > >
> > > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > > read their books on them?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'll look into it later.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
Worth a read, depending on how strongly you feel about the subject:
https://apprenticea
> N.A. Nada <mailto:whodo678@comcast.
> April 29, 2013 4:36 PM
> Agreed.
>
> And you may not have noticed, but this issue has come up here, several
> times before, for several years.
>
> You basically have two choices, live with it or ask Apple to refund
> the purchase.
>
> Brent
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
>
> Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> read it on a computer.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@yahoo.
> April 29, 2013 3:52 PM
>
> Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> read it on a computer.
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
> <mailto:macsuppo
> <tjod@...
> >
> > Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> > copy of the book you paid for.
> > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...
> > > <mailto:tjod%
> > >
> > > > Calibre http://calibre-
> > > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions
> from one
> > > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is
> protected by
> > > DRM.
> > >
> > > ob
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@
> > > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > > Calibre http://calibre-
> > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from
> one
> > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > >
> > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
> > > <mailto:jrswebho
> > >
> > > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> open
> > > on the iPhone4.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> > >
> > > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But
> damn I
> > > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> > >
> > > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > > do use the ePub format.
> > >
> > > bob
> > >
> > > bob morin
> > > rbmorin11@..
> > >
> > >
> > > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebho
> > > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> > >
> > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> open
> > > on the iPhone4.
> > >
> > > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > > read their books on them?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
If I buy a book, then I'll experiment anytime. Downloaded Requiem. It failed like all the others to remove DRM from my iBook.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@...> wrote:
>
> Worth a read, depending on how strongly you feel about the subject:
> https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/apple-and-ebooks-ibookstore-drm-and-how-to-remove-it/
>
> > N.A. Nada <mailto:whodo678@...>
> > April 29, 2013 4:36 PM
> > Agreed.
> >
> > And you may not have noticed, but this issue has come up here, several
> > times before, for several years.
> >
> > You basically have two choices, live with it or ask Apple to refund
> > the purchase.
> >
> > Brent
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
> >
> > Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> > have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> > read it on a computer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Group FAQ:
> > <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@...>
> > April 29, 2013 3:52 PM
> >
> > Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> > have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> > read it on a computer.
> >
> > --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:macsupportcentral%40yahoogroups.com>, Tim O'Donoghue
> > <tjod@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> > > copy of the book you paid for.
> > > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@>
> > > > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@
> > > > <mailto:tjod%40runbox.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > > > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions
> > from one
> > > > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is
> > protected by
> > > > DRM.
> > > >
> > > > ob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@>
> > > > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > > > Calibre http://calibre-ebook.com/ has the ability, with plug-ins, to
> > > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from
> > one
> > > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > > >
> > > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin11@>
> > > > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
> > > > <mailto:jrswebhome%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> > open
> > > > on the iPhone4.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > > > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > > > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > > > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> > > >
> > > > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > > > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > > > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > > > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > > > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > > > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But
> > damn I
> > > > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > > > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > > > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> > > >
> > > > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > > > do use the ePub format.
> > > >
> > > > bob
> > > >
> > > > bob morin
> > > > rbmorin11@ <mailto:rbmorin11%40gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebhome@>
> > > > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> > > >
> > > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> > open
> > > > on the iPhone4.
> > > >
> > > > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > > > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > > > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > > > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > > > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > > > read their books on them?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Worth a read, depending on how strongly you feel about the subject:
> https://apprenticea
>
> > N.A. Nada <mailto:whodo678
> > April 29, 2013 4:36 PM
> > Agreed.
> >
> > And you may not have noticed, but this issue has come up here, several
> > times before, for several years.
> >
> > You basically have two choices, live with it or ask Apple to refund
> > the purchase.
> >
> > Brent
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:52 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
> >
> > Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> > have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> > read it on a computer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------
> >
> > Group FAQ:
> > <http://www.macsuppo
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebho
> > April 29, 2013 3:52 PM
> >
> > Apple DRM books are locked and there is nothing to unlock them that I
> > have seen. It's the stupidest system to buy a book and not be able to
> > read it on a computer.
> >
> > --- In macsupportcentral@
> > <mailto:macsuppo
> > <tjod@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Look for a plug-in that will help you remove the DRM and have a backup
> > > copy of the book you paid for.
> > > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > > > April 29, 2013 1:52 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@
> > > > <mailto:tjod%
> > > >
> > > > > Calibre http://calibre-
> > > > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions
> > from one
> > > > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have calibre - tells me it can't read the book as it is
> > protected by
> > > > DRM.
> > > >
> > > > ob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim O'Donoghue <mailto:tjod@
> > > > April 29, 2013 1:42 PM
> > > > Calibre http://calibre-
> > > > perform many operations on ebooks. I use it to do conversions from
> > one
> > > > format to other formats. Worth a look.
> > > >
> > > > bob morin <mailto:rbmorin1
> > > > April 29, 2013 1:25 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 1:13 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
> > > > <mailto:jrswebho
> > > >
> > > > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> > open
> > > > on the iPhone4.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shortly after Mtn Lion came out I bought Peachpit express users book
> > > > for this OS from iTunes as an ibook. I downloaded it to my iMac. Was
> > > > dismayed that I couldn't read it except to view the cover. I later
> > > > bought the paper back edition of the book.
> > > >
> > > > Long time later I got a Nook to read ePub format of e books which I
> > > > could buy from Barnes and Noble or check out from our local library.
> > > > One day I placed the above book from my iTunes onto my desktop. I
> > > > found a program likely in the app store which removed the DRM from
> > > > that. I was then able to get the DRM less book into my Nook and am
> > > > able to read it there. That was some months ago I did that. But
> > damn I
> > > > can't remember what program I used and the process which I used. My
> > > > excuse is that it was months ago. I have another excuse also. I am
> > > > sure I still have the program on my computer among the hundred also.
> > > >
> > > > But the point is there is a way of removing DRM and read iBooks which
> > > > do use the ePub format.
> > > >
> > > > bob
> > > >
> > > > bob morin
> > > > rbmorin11@ <mailto:rbmorin1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HAL9000 <mailto:jrswebho
> > > > April 29, 2013 11:13 AM
> > > >
> > > > there just no way to view DRM iBooks other than to have to fork out
> > > > money for a tablet? I've tried reading DRM restricted iBooks on my
> > > > iPhone4, but they always cause problems. I had to completely wipe the
> > > > iPhone and restore manually to remove a free iBook that would not
> > open
> > > > on the iPhone4.
> > > >
> > > > This is not about books in general, I am only talking about DRM
> > > > restricted iBooks sold at the Apple Store. I have no problem reading
> > > > Kindle books, or Amazon books on my iPhone4, but the iBook experience
> > > > on my iPhone4 was ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > Why the heck will Apple not allow us to read these books on an iMac
> > > > screen? We've paid $ for these computers, why won't Apple allow us to
> > > > read their books on them?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
Yes, these messages appear in Mail.app (4.6) on my Mac mini (10.6.8).
As an added data point: these MAY have been the messages I read using my iPhone... not sure.
Dave
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> In Mail.app on your Mac.
>
> I have seen similar on a iDevice in Mail, but never on a
> Mac.
>
> Open one of the emails and check the long headers. Otherwise
> I have no clue.
>
> Brent
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Dave C wrote:
>
> This issue is, of course, in Mail application.
>
> Dave
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Dave C wrote:
>
> > This has been happening occasionally during the last
> few months but has stepped up the last few days.
> >
> > These are the recent empty messages in my Trash folder:
>
> >
> > http://www.tinyuploads.com/images/Nh0xne.jpg
> >
> > If these are truly empty -- no header, etc. (I compared
> these to a "real" message in TextEdit) -- how do they make
> their way into my mailbox? What identifies them as email
> messages?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> >
> > Mail 4.6
> > OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> > 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750
> GB
>
>
>
>
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As an added data point: these MAY have been the messages I read using my iPhone... not sure.
Dave
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> In Mail.app on your Mac.
>
> I have seen similar on a iDevice in Mail, but never on a
> Mac.
>
> Open one of the emails and check the long headers. Otherwise
> I have no clue.
>
> Brent
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Dave C wrote:
>
> This issue is, of course, in Mail application.
>
> Dave
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Dave C wrote:
>
> > This has been happening occasionally during the last
> few months but has stepped up the last few days.
> >
> > These are the recent empty messages in my Trash folder:
>
> >
> > http://www.tinyuplo
> >
> > If these are truly empty -- no header, etc. (I compared
> these to a "real" message in TextEdit) -- how do they make
> their way into my mailbox? What identifies them as email
> messages?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> >
> > Mail 4.6
> > OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> > 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750
> GB
>
>
>
>
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barbara Adamski" bkadamski
I get these. They're dated 1966 or something like that. Totally bizarre.
b
On 2013-04-29, at 4:27 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Yes, these messages appear in Mail.app (4.6) on my Mac mini (10.6.8).
>
> As an added data point: these MAY have been the messages I read using my iPhone... not sure.
>
> Dave
>
> --- On Mon, 4/29/13, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>
> > In Mail.app on your Mac.
> >
> > I have seen similar on a iDevice in Mail, but never on a
> > Mac.
> >
> > Open one of the emails and check the long headers. Otherwise
> > I have no clue.
> >
> > Brent
>
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Dave C wrote:
> >
> > This issue is, of course, in Mail application.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Dave C wrote:
> >
> > > This has been happening occasionally during the last
> > few months
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b
On 2013-04-29, at 4:27 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.
> Yes, these messages appear in Mail.app (4.6) on my Mac mini (10.6.8).
>
> As an added data point: these MAY have been the messages I read using my iPhone... not sure.
>
> Dave
>
> --- On Mon, 4/29/13, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>
> > In Mail.app on your Mac.
> >
> > I have seen similar on a iDevice in Mail, but never on a
> > Mac.
> >
> > Open one of the emails and check the long headers. Otherwise
> > I have no clue.
> >
> > Brent
>
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Dave C wrote:
> >
> > This issue is, of course, in Mail application.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Dave C wrote:
> >
> > > This has been happening occasionally during the last
> > few months
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Dave,
I was just trying to clarify that they were on the Mac and so (OS X) Mail.app, which is different from (iOS) Mail.app, as your screen shot suggested.
I don't think I can tell you what they are, but I can possibly tell you what they are not.
You seem to have identified them as from a POP email account. If so they should show in their entirety on the Mac. If they were from a IMAP account they should still show in their entirety. But if you moved them to the Trash, what was not synced with the Mac, they would not show.
When you read them on the iPhone, did you use Mail.app or did you view them by webmail at Yahoo?
Open one up and read the long headers. That will identify them faster than I can.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Dave C wrote:
Yes, these messages appear in Mail.app (4.6) on my Mac mini (10.6.8).
As an added data point: these MAY have been the messages I read using my iPhone... not sure.
Dave
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> In Mail.app on your Mac.
>
> I have seen similar on a iDevice in Mail, but never on a
> Mac.
>
> Open one of the emails and check the long headers. Otherwise
> I have no clue.
>
> Brent
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Dave C wrote:
>
> This issue is, of course, in Mail application.
>
> Dave
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Dave C wrote:
>
> > This has been happening occasionally during the last
> few months but has stepped up the last few days.
> >
> > These are the recent empty messages in my Trash folder:
>
> >
> > http://www.tinyuploads.com/images/Nh0xne.jpg
> >
> > If these are truly empty -- no header, etc. (I compared
> these to a "real" message in TextEdit) -- how do they make
> their way into my mailbox? What identifies them as email
> messages?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> >
> > Mail 4.6
> > OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> > 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750
> GB
>
>
>
>
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I was just trying to clarify that they were on the Mac and so (OS X) Mail.app, which is different from (iOS) Mail.app, as your screen shot suggested.
I don't think I can tell you what they are, but I can possibly tell you what they are not.
You seem to have identified them as from a POP email account. If so they should show in their entirety on the Mac. If they were from a IMAP account they should still show in their entirety. But if you moved them to the Trash, what was not synced with the Mac, they would not show.
When you read them on the iPhone, did you use Mail.app or did you view them by webmail at Yahoo?
Open one up and read the long headers. That will identify them faster than I can.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Dave C wrote:
Yes, these messages appear in Mail.app (4.6) on my Mac mini (10.6.8).
As an added data point: these MAY have been the messages I read using my iPhone... not sure.
Dave
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> In Mail.app on your Mac.
>
> I have seen similar on a iDevice in Mail, but never on a
> Mac.
>
> Open one of the emails and check the long headers. Otherwise
> I have no clue.
>
> Brent
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Dave C wrote:
>
> This issue is, of course, in Mail application.
>
> Dave
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Dave C wrote:
>
> > This has been happening occasionally during the last
> few months but has stepped up the last few days.
> >
> > These are the recent empty messages in my Trash folder:
>
> >
> > http://www.tinyuplo
> >
> > If these are truly empty -- no header, etc. (I compared
> these to a "real" message in TextEdit) -- how do they make
> their way into my mailbox? What identifies them as email
> messages?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> >
> > Mail 4.6
> > OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> > 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750
> GB
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
The date in the screen shot Dave posted, was that they were received in the last few days, not in 1966.
BTW, there was no internet in 1966.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Barbara Adamski wrote:
I get these. They're dated 1966 or something like that. Totally bizarre.
b
On 2013-04-29, at 4:27 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Yes, these messages appear in Mail.app (4.6) on my Mac mini (10.6.8).
>
> As an added data point: these MAY have been the messages I read using my iPhone... not sure.
>
> Dave
>
> --- On Mon, 4/29/13, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>
> > In Mail.app on your Mac.
> >
> > I have seen similar on a iDevice in Mail, but never on a
> > Mac.
> >
> > Open one of the emails and check the long headers. Otherwise
> > I have no clue.
> >
> > Brent
>
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Dave C wrote:
> >
> > This issue is, of course, in Mail application.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Dave C wrote:
> >
> > > This has been happening occasionally during the last
> > few months
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BTW, there was no internet in 1966.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Barbara Adamski wrote:
I get these. They're dated 1966 or something like that. Totally bizarre.
b
On 2013-04-29, at 4:27 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.
> Yes, these messages appear in Mail.app (4.6) on my Mac mini (10.6.8).
>
> As an added data point: these MAY have been the messages I read using my iPhone... not sure.
>
> Dave
>
> --- On Mon, 4/29/13, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>
> > In Mail.app on your Mac.
> >
> > I have seen similar on a iDevice in Mail, but never on a
> > Mac.
> >
> > Open one of the emails and check the long headers. Otherwise
> > I have no clue.
> >
> > Brent
>
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Dave C wrote:
> >
> > This issue is, of course, in Mail application.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Dave C wrote:
> >
> > > This has been happening occasionally during the last
> > few months
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." joan05061
What is an iPhone hot spot?
Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Also know as tethering. It is a way to allow other devices to connect to the internet through your iPhone. Some cellular providers charge an extra few to do this.
On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
What is an iPhone hot spot?
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On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
What is an iPhone hot spot?
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
>>> On 28 April 2013 13:47, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why not start with the VNC client built in to OSX ;) Its called "screen
>>>> Sharing" and once you have enabled it on a machine, as above, that machine
>>>> should then appear on other machines in the "shared" section in Finder.
>>>> Just click on "share screen" at the top.
>>>>
>>>> I use exactly this to administer my Mac Mini, which is only connected to
>>>> my TV via HDMI, from my MacBook Pro. No other screen, keyboard or mouseâˆ'.
>>>> Works a charm. No need to pay for a client ...
>>
>> But isn't that just valid for computers and devices on your local network?
>
> Yes and no.... It works best for OSX to OSX and in this case if you enable 'back to my mac' in your iCloud preferences (assuming you use it of course), it will work across any network. For my use case i don't need to do this often, but it is useful now and then.
But, say I'm connecting to a Mac system 450 miles away. What do I tell them to do, and what do I do, to connect these two macs with me controlling their screen. Honestly, I've never done this before.
Daly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> But isn't that just valid for computers and devices on your local network?
>
> Yes and no.... It works best for OSX to OSX and in this case if you enable 'back to my mac' in your iCloud preferences (assuming you use it of course), it will work across any network. For my use case i don't need to do this often, but it is useful now and then.
But, say I'm connecting to a Mac system 450 miles away. What do I tell them to do, and what do I do, to connect these two macs with me controlling their screen. Honestly, I've never done this before.
Daly
Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:39 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Daly, you know Jancie. The first time I used screen share was with her, 600 miles away.
I forget how it was done, but I believe the shared Mac has to turn on System Prefs/ Sharing/ Screen Sharing, and you may or may not need a password depending on how the shared Mac's owner sets it up. No need for a VNC, IIRC.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>>> On 28 April 2013 13:47, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why not start with the VNC client built in to OSX ;) Its called "screen
>>>> Sharing" and once you have enabled it on a machine, as above, that machine
>>>> should then appear on other machines in the "shared" section in Finder.
>>>> Just click on "share screen" at the top.
>>>>
>>>> I use exactly this to administer my Mac Mini, which is only connected to
>>>> my TV via HDMI, from my MacBook Pro. No other screen, keyboard or mouseâˆ'.
>>>> Works a charm. No need to pay for a client ...
>>
>> But isn't that just valid for computers and devices on your local network?
>
> Yes and no.... It works best for OSX to OSX and in this case if you enable 'back to my mac' in your iCloud preferences (assuming you use it of course), it will work across any network. For my use case i don't need to do this often, but it is useful now and then.
But, say I'm connecting to a Mac system 450 miles away. What do I tell them to do, and what do I do, to connect these two macs with me controlling their screen. Honestly, I've never done this before.
Daly
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I forget how it was done, but I believe the shared Mac has to turn on System Prefs/ Sharing/ Screen Sharing, and you may or may not need a password depending on how the shared Mac's owner sets it up. No need for a VNC, IIRC.
Brent
On Apr 29, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>>> On 28 April 2013 13:47, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> But isn't that just valid for computers and devices on your local network?
>
> Yes and no.... It works best for OSX to OSX and in this case if you enable 'back to my mac' in your iCloud preferences (assuming you use it of course), it will work across any network. For my use case i don't need to do this often, but it is useful now and then.
But, say I'm connecting to a Mac system 450 miles away. What do I tell them to do, and what do I do, to connect these two macs with me controlling their screen. Honestly, I've never done this before.
Daly
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