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Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler
I have a previous generation AirPort Extreme (flat-top). The latest
versions of AirPort Utility (6.2, 6.3) seem to have an issue updating the
firmware for this AirPort Extreme. It seems to download the latest firmware
version without any problems, but it then hangs "Preparing Firmware Update".
I managed to get around the problem by using an older version of AirPort
Utility (5.6) to perform the firmware update. 5.6 worked like a champ,
whereas 6.2 and 6.3.1 hung.
If anyone else is experiencing this issue, I suggest trying to obtain a
copy of AirPort Utility 5.6, if you don't already have it and use it for
updating the firmware.
Jon
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versions of AirPort Utility (6.2, 6.3) seem to have an issue updating the
firmware for this AirPort Extreme. It seems to download the latest firmware
version without any problems, but it then hangs "Preparing Firmware Update"
I managed to get around the problem by using an older version of AirPort
Utility (5.6) to perform the firmware update. 5.6 worked like a champ,
whereas 6.2 and 6.3.1 hung.
If anyone else is experiencing this issue, I suggest trying to obtain a
copy of AirPort Utility 5.6, if you don't already have it and use it for
updating the firmware.
Jon
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:08 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"J." epsongroups
1Password "recommends" Dropbox and indicates that [[one of] their staff
has managed to also use/sync via iCloud. Apparently there has been an
update to how to sync via Dropbox, as DB has increased the security of
their servers. The programmer at 1Password has apparently figured out,
but not published how to sync various devices on iCloud, so obviously it
can be done, though perhaps not as easily as the Dropbox method (how-to
is published on the 1Password website www.agilebits.com ). 1Password
has been quick to reply to tech support questions and good all-round
with support.
Go here to get some answers:
http://help.agilebits.com/1Password3/faqs.html
One poster indicated that each device needs a 1Password license.
The FAQ answers as follows:
One user on one OS on as many computers as they want - 1 license.
Additional OS requires a separate licence for each OS.
So if you are a Mac user, that's 1 licence. If you have an additional
Windows, iOS or Android device, that's both another app and another
licence for each OS.
Family licenses are also available.
Read the details here:
http://help.agilebits.com/1Password3/how_many_licenses.html
Personally, I do use 1Password on my Macs, and have other devices, but
have not seen fit to sync between them at this time, don't need it. For
what it's worth, I don't trust banking information to be stored anywhere
in the cloud or sky or elsewhere.
You may be more trusting...
has managed to also use/sync via iCloud. Apparently there has been an
update to how to sync via Dropbox, as DB has increased the security of
their servers. The programmer at 1Password has apparently figured out,
but not published how to sync various devices on iCloud, so obviously it
can be done, though perhaps not as easily as the Dropbox method (how-to
is published on the 1Password website www.agilebits.
has been quick to reply to tech support questions and good all-round
with support.
Go here to get some answers:
http://help.
One poster indicated that each device needs a 1Password license.
The FAQ answers as follows:
One user on one OS on as many computers as they want - 1 license.
Additional OS requires a separate licence for each OS.
So if you are a Mac user, that's 1 licence. If you have an additional
Windows, iOS or Android device, that's both another app and another
licence for each OS.
Family licenses are also available.
Read the details here:
http://help.
Personally, I do use 1Password on my Macs, and have other devices, but
have not seen fit to sync between them at this time, don't need it. For
what it's worth, I don't trust banking information to be stored anywhere
in the cloud or sky or elsewhere.
You may be more trusting...
Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
I agree with Jim, if it is free, then the user is the product.
The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.
If they are harvesting info from a password manager, I would worry.
I am fighting with Keeper by Callpod. They changed from a purchased app to a subscription service, and they want everything done through their server. I'm grandfathered into the purchased app, and I don't trust anyone else's server. That is just me. They tell me I don't have to use their server, but I keep finding my stuff on it. I'm looking at changing apps.
Brent
On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> Even if I didn't already use 1Password, I would not entirely trust a password manager that was *free*.
>
> The rule of thumb is that "If the app you just bought was free, the product being sold is *YOU*."
Cute. Well, I agree. 1Password works incredibly well. (I'm a convert from WebConfidential.) I did have to pay for my iPhone version of 1Password. Maybe they have changed their policy since then. Anyway, it's been worth it. If I add or change a password on my Mac, the change shows up right away on the iPhone. It's been valuable numerous times.
Daly
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The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.
If they are harvesting info from a password manager, I would worry.
I am fighting with Keeper by Callpod. They changed from a purchased app to a subscription service, and they want everything done through their server. I'm grandfathered into the purchased app, and I don't trust anyone else's server. That is just me. They tell me I don't have to use their server, but I keep finding my stuff on it. I'm looking at changing apps.
Brent
On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> Even if I didn't already use 1Password, I would not entirely trust a password manager that was *free*.
>
> The rule of thumb is that "If the app you just bought was free, the product being sold is *YOU*."
Cute. Well, I agree. 1Password works incredibly well. (I'm a convert from WebConfidential.
Daly
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"ed-reiff" ed-reiff
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>The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the >developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid >version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.--- In >macsupportcentral@
There is plenty of free sfw out there that is written by honest people that are not trying to harm you or steal your information. There are also plenty sfw companies that charge you and also use your data. It is all a "risk, reward" thing, every time you get into a car, bus, train plane, etc. you take a chance of bad thins happening to you. You could not leave your house and avoid that sort or thing, just as you can not use clouds, free software, etc. for fear of losing some privacy or account information or whatever. It is a scary world out there, but don't to too careful or you will miss a lot. Just my opinion.
Ed
>
> I agree with Jim, if it is free, then the user is the product.
>
> The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.
>
> If they are harvesting info from a password manager, I would worry.
>
> I am fighting with Keeper by Callpod. They changed from a purchased app to a subscription service, and they want everything done through their server. I'm grandfathered into the purchased app, and I don't trust anyone else's server. That is just me. They tell me I don't have to use their server, but I keep finding my stuff on it. I'm looking at changing apps.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
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> > Even if I didn't already use 1Password, I would not entirely trust a password manager that was *free*.
> >
> > The rule of thumb is that "If the app you just bought was free, the product being sold is *YOU*."
>
> Cute. Well, I agree. 1Password works incredibly well. (I'm a convert from WebConfidential.
>
> Daly
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:19 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
Hi,
On 20 Aug 2013, at 11:16 PM, "ed-reiff"; <ed@reiff.com> wrote:
>
> .
>> The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the >developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid >version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.--- In >macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
> There is plenty of free sfw out there that is written by honest people that are not trying to harm you or steal your information. There are also plenty sfw companies that charge you and also use your data. It is all a "risk, reward" thing, every time you get into a car, bus, train plane, etc. you take a chance of bad thins happening to you. You could not leave your house and avoid that sort or thing, just as you can not use clouds, free software, etc. for fear of losing some privacy or account information or whatever. It is a scary world out there, but don't to too careful or you will miss a lot. Just my opinion.
And one i share. If anyone thinks just because you have paid for an application, it is necessarily going to behave any better than a free one, is deluding themselves. Yes, there is a lot of crap in the application store, but if you look elsewhere you will find a class of free applications that i would argue are the safest of the lot. Open Source software, where every single line of code is open for pier review from anyone who wants to. Trust me, any application behaving badly with private user data in this world would be killed off at birth. Frankly i would trust these before any closed source application, free or otherwise.
> Ed
>
>
>>
>> I agree with Jim, if it is free, then the user is the product.
>>
>> The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.
>>
>> If they are harvesting info from a password manager, I would worry.
>>
>> I am fighting with Keeper by Callpod. They changed from a purchased app to a subscription service, and they want everything done through their server. I'm grandfathered into the purchased app, and I don't trust anyone else's server. That is just me. They tell me I don't have to use their server, but I keep finding my stuff on it. I'm looking at changing apps.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>>
>>> Even if I didn't already use 1Password, I would not entirely trust a password manager that was *free*.
>>>
>>> The rule of thumb is that "If the app you just bought was free, the product being sold is *YOU*."
>>
>> Cute. Well, I agree. 1Password works incredibly well. (I'm a convert from WebConfidential.) I did have to pay for my iPhone version of 1Password. Maybe they have changed their policy since then. Anyway, it's been worth it. If I add or change a password on my Mac, the change shows up right away on the iPhone. It's been valuable numerous times.
>>
>> Daly
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>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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On 20 Aug 2013, at 11:16 PM, "ed-reiff"
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> .
>> The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the >developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid >version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.--- In >macsupportcentral@
> There is plenty of free sfw out there that is written by honest people that are not trying to harm you or steal your information. There are also plenty sfw companies that charge you and also use your data. It is all a "risk, reward" thing, every time you get into a car, bus, train plane, etc. you take a chance of bad thins happening to you. You could not leave your house and avoid that sort or thing, just as you can not use clouds, free software, etc. for fear of losing some privacy or account information or whatever. It is a scary world out there, but don't to too careful or you will miss a lot. Just my opinion.
And one i share. If anyone thinks just because you have paid for an application, it is necessarily going to behave any better than a free one, is deluding themselves. Yes, there is a lot of crap in the application store, but if you look elsewhere you will find a class of free applications that i would argue are the safest of the lot. Open Source software, where every single line of code is open for pier review from anyone who wants to. Trust me, any application behaving badly with private user data in this world would be killed off at birth. Frankly i would trust these before any closed source application, free or otherwise.
> Ed
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>>
>> I agree with Jim, if it is free, then the user is the product.
>>
>> The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.
>>
>> If they are harvesting info from a password manager, I would worry.
>>
>> I am fighting with Keeper by Callpod. They changed from a purchased app to a subscription service, and they want everything done through their server. I'm grandfathered into the purchased app, and I don't trust anyone else's server. That is just me. They tell me I don't have to use their server, but I keep finding my stuff on it. I'm looking at changing apps.
>>
>> Brent
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>>
>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>>
>>> Even if I didn't already use 1Password, I would not entirely trust a password manager that was *free*.
>>>
>>> The rule of thumb is that "If the app you just bought was free, the product being sold is *YOU*."
>>
>> Cute. Well, I agree. 1Password works incredibly well. (I'm a convert from WebConfidential.
>>
>> Daly
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>>> The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the >developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid >version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.
>>
>> There is plenty of free sfw out there that is written by honest people that are not trying to harm you or steal your information. There are also plenty sfw companies that charge you and also use your data. It is all a "risk, reward" thing, every time you get into a car, bus, train plane, etc. you take a chance of bad thins happening to you. You could not leave your house and avoid that sort or thing, just as you can not use clouds, free software, etc. for fear of losing some privacy or account information or whatever. It is a scary world out there, but don't to too careful or you will miss a lot. Just my opinion.
>
> And one i share. If anyone thinks just because you have paid for an application, it is necessarily going to behave any better than a free one, is deluding themselves. Yes, there is a lot of crap in the application store, but if you look elsewhere you will find a class of free applications that i would argue are the safest of the lot. Open Source software, where every single line of code is open for pier review from anyone who wants to. Trust me, any application behaving badly with private user data in this world would be killed off at birth. Frankly i would trust these before any closed source application, free or otherwise.
The cliché the "You get what you pay for" is certainly not always true.
What is rather more assured is that "You DON'T get what you DON'T pay for...."
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>>
>> There is plenty of free sfw out there that is written by honest people that are not trying to harm you or steal your information. There are also plenty sfw companies that charge you and also use your data. It is all a "risk, reward" thing, every time you get into a car, bus, train plane, etc. you take a chance of bad thins happening to you. You could not leave your house and avoid that sort or thing, just as you can not use clouds, free software, etc. for fear of losing some privacy or account information or whatever. It is a scary world out there, but don't to too careful or you will miss a lot. Just my opinion.
>
> And one i share. If anyone thinks just because you have paid for an application, it is necessarily going to behave any better than a free one, is deluding themselves. Yes, there is a lot of crap in the application store, but if you look elsewhere you will find a class of free applications that i would argue are the safest of the lot. Open Source software, where every single line of code is open for pier review from anyone who wants to. Trust me, any application behaving badly with private user data in this world would be killed off at birth. Frankly i would trust these before any closed source application, free or otherwise.
The cliché the "You get what you pay for" is certainly not always true.
What is rather more assured is that "You DON'T get what you DON'T pay for...."
--
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
Hi,
On 21 Aug 2013, at 12:30 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com > wrote:
>>>> The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the >developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid >version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.
>>>
>>> There is plenty of free sfw out there that is written by honest people that are not trying to harm you or steal your information. There are also plenty sfw companies that charge you and also use your data. It is all a "risk, reward" thing, every time you get into a car, bus, train plane, etc. you take a chance of bad thins happening to you. You could not leave your house and avoid that sort or thing, just as you can not use clouds, free software, etc. for fear of losing some privacy or account information or whatever. It is a scary world out there, but don't to too careful or you will miss a lot. Just my opinion.
>>
>> And one i share. If anyone thinks just because you have paid for an application, it is necessarily going to behave any better than a free one, is deluding themselves. Yes, there is a lot of crap in the application store, but if you look elsewhere you will find a class of free applications that i would argue are the safest of the lot. Open Source software, where every single line of code is open for pier review from anyone who wants to. Trust me, any application behaving badly with private user data in this world would be killed off at birth. Frankly i would trust these before any closed source application, free or otherwise.
>
> The cliché the "You get what you pay for" is certainly not always true.
>
> What is rather more assured is that "You DON'T get what you DON'T pay for...."
That last quote doesn't really make sense to me. The way i read it it is suggesting free applications, where you don't pay for anything, cannot then provide any useful functionality. Take Handbrake for instance. I don't pay for an mp4 ripper, but i do get probably the best one out there ...
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On 21 Aug 2013, at 12:30 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is plenty of free sfw out there that is written by honest people that are not trying to harm you or steal your information. There are also plenty sfw companies that charge you and also use your data. It is all a "risk, reward" thing, every time you get into a car, bus, train plane, etc. you take a chance of bad thins happening to you. You could not leave your house and avoid that sort or thing, just as you can not use clouds, free software, etc. for fear of losing some privacy or account information or whatever. It is a scary world out there, but don't to too careful or you will miss a lot. Just my opinion.
>>
>> And one i share. If anyone thinks just because you have paid for an application, it is necessarily going to behave any better than a free one, is deluding themselves. Yes, there is a lot of crap in the application store, but if you look elsewhere you will find a class of free applications that i would argue are the safest of the lot. Open Source software, where every single line of code is open for pier review from anyone who wants to. Trust me, any application behaving badly with private user data in this world would be killed off at birth. Frankly i would trust these before any closed source application, free or otherwise.
>
> The cliché the "You get what you pay for" is certainly not always true.
>
> What is rather more assured is that "You DON'T get what you DON'T pay for...."
That last quote doesn't really make sense to me. The way i read it it is suggesting free applications, where you don't pay for anything, cannot then provide any useful functionality. Take Handbrake for instance. I don't pay for an mp4 ripper, but i do get probably the best one out there ...
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>>> And one I share. If anyone thinks just because you have paid for an application, it is necessarily going to behave any better than a free one, is deluding themselves. Yes, there is a lot of crap in the application store, but if you look elsewhere you will find a class of free applications that i would argue are the safest of the lot. Open Source software, where every single line of code is open for pier review from anyone who wants to. Trust me, any application behaving badly with private user data in this world would be killed off at birth. Frankly i would trust these before any closed source application, free or otherwise.
>>
>> The cliché the "You get what you pay for" is certainly not always true.
>>
>> What is rather more assured is that "You DON'T get what you DON'T pay for...."
>
> That last quote doesn't really make sense to me. The way I read it it is suggesting free applications, where you don't pay for anything, cannot then provide any useful functionality. Take Handbrake for instance. I don't pay for an mp4 ripper, but i do get probably the best one out there ...
Not "cannot" -- there aren't any absolutes here.
Think in likelihoods.
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>>
>> The cliché the "You get what you pay for" is certainly not always true.
>>
>> What is rather more assured is that "You DON'T get what you DON'T pay for...."
>
> That last quote doesn't really make sense to me. The way I read it it is suggesting free applications, where you don't pay for anything, cannot then provide any useful functionality. Take Handbrake for instance. I don't pay for an mp4 ripper, but i do get probably the best one out there ...
Not "cannot" -- there aren't any absolutes here.
Think in likelihoods.
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
On 21 Aug 2013, at 01:21 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.
>>>
>>>
>>> The cliché the "You get what you pay for" is certainly not always true.
>>>
>>> What is rather more assured is that "You DON'T get what you DON'T pay for...."
>>
>> That last quote doesn't really make sense to me. The way I read it it is suggesting free applications, where you don't pay for anything, cannot then provide any useful functionality. Take Handbrake for instance. I don't pay for an mp4 ripper, but i do get probably the best one out there ...
>
> Not "cannot" -- there aren't any absolutes here.
> Think in likelihoods.
Still feel the quote doesn't make sense, but lets leave it there ...
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Like I said, not all are trying to steal your info, some are trying to hook you into buying their other apps. And many of the free apps I have looked at have not been worth their cost, even though they are free.
A few have been fine, but a lot have been crapware. Some are looking for in-app sales.
And again, the exception is very, very rare.
Brent
- Who often looks into the mouths of gift horses.
On Aug 20, 2013, at 3:16 PM, ed-reiff wrote:
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>The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the >developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid >version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.--- In >macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
There is plenty of free sfw out there that is written by honest people that are not trying to harm you or steal your information. There are also plenty sfw companies that charge you and also use your data. It is all a "risk, reward" thing, every time you get into a car, bus, train plane, etc. you take a chance of bad thins happening to you. You could not leave your house and avoid that sort or thing, just as you can not use clouds, free software, etc. for fear of losing some privacy or account information or whatever. It is a scary world out there, but don't to too careful or you will miss a lot. Just my opinion.
Ed
>
> I agree with Jim, if it is free, then the user is the product.
>
> The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.
>
> If they are harvesting info from a password manager, I would worry.
>
> I am fighting with Keeper by Callpod. They changed from a purchased app to a subscription service, and they want everything done through their server. I'm grandfathered into the purchased app, and I don't trust anyone else's server. That is just me. They tell me I don't have to use their server, but I keep finding my stuff on it. I'm looking at changing apps.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
> > Even if I didn't already use 1Password, I would not entirely trust a password manager that was *free*.
> >
> > The rule of thumb is that "If the app you just bought was free, the product being sold is *YOU*."
>
> Cute. Well, I agree. 1Password works incredibly well. (I'm a convert from WebConfidential.) I did have to pay for my iPhone version of 1Password. Maybe they have changed their policy since then. Anyway, it's been worth it. If I add or change a password on my Mac, the change shows up right away on the iPhone. It's been valuable numerous times.
>
> Daly
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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A few have been fine, but a lot have been crapware. Some are looking for in-app sales.
And again, the exception is very, very rare.
Brent
- Who often looks into the mouths of gift horses.
On Aug 20, 2013, at 3:16 PM, ed-reiff wrote:
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>The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the >developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid >version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.--- In >macsupportcentral@
There is plenty of free sfw out there that is written by honest people that are not trying to harm you or steal your information. There are also plenty sfw companies that charge you and also use your data. It is all a "risk, reward" thing, every time you get into a car, bus, train plane, etc. you take a chance of bad thins happening to you. You could not leave your house and avoid that sort or thing, just as you can not use clouds, free software, etc. for fear of losing some privacy or account information or whatever. It is a scary world out there, but don't to too careful or you will miss a lot. Just my opinion.
Ed
>
> I agree with Jim, if it is free, then the user is the product.
>
> The sentence maybe cute, but the logic and the sentiment behind it is not. What is the developers motivation behind a free app? It is either to hook you into buying their paid version, or they are harvesting information. The exceptions are very, very rare.
>
> If they are harvesting info from a password manager, I would worry.
>
> I am fighting with Keeper by Callpod. They changed from a purchased app to a subscription service, and they want everything done through their server. I'm grandfathered into the purchased app, and I don't trust anyone else's server. That is just me. They tell me I don't have to use their server, but I keep finding my stuff on it. I'm looking at changing apps.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
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>
> On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
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> > Even if I didn't already use 1Password, I would not entirely trust a password manager that was *free*.
> >
> > The rule of thumb is that "If the app you just bought was free, the product being sold is *YOU*."
>
> Cute. Well, I agree. 1Password works incredibly well. (I'm a convert from WebConfidential.
>
> Daly
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:49 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Ah! Now Chris, you have given a good example of one of the rare free apps, the exception that I had mentioned. The beneficial good free app.
Brent
On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
<snip> The way i read it it is suggesting free applications, where you don't pay for anything, cannot then provide any useful functionality. Take Handbrake for instance. I don't pay for an mp4 ripper, but i do get probably the best one out there ...
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Brent
On Aug 20, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
<snip> The way i read it it is suggesting free applications, where you don't pay for anything, cannot then provide any useful functionality. Take Handbrake for instance. I don't pay for an mp4 ripper, but i do get probably the best one out there ...
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:34 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dolores" djdesideri
I intend to buy a new 27" iMac and spent some time talking to a salesman at the Apple store. This clarified some points and left me more confused about other decisions.
I want to add some extra hard drive but the jump seems to be from 1 TB to 3 TB. Three TB sounds like overkill. I have 292 GB on my current computer and am always adding more music, photos, and images.
Do I want to add more RAM?
I am also wondering about Time Machine and my Airport Express. Will I be able to use
my current equipment with a new 27" 1 or 3 TB computer? I have Air Port Express and a Seagate hard drive [1000 GB] or will I need to move up to the wireless system?
I want to add some extra hard drive but the jump seems to be from 1 TB to 3 TB. Three TB sounds like overkill. I have 292 GB on my current computer and am always adding more music, photos, and images.
Do I want to add more RAM?
I am also wondering about Time Machine and my Airport Express. Will I be able to use
my current equipment with a new 27" 1 or 3 TB computer? I have Air Port Express and a Seagate hard drive [1000 GB] or will I need to move up to the wireless system?
Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
If the AirPort Express is working fine, I see no reason to get another
Wi-Fi router yet.
The backup space you need is dictated by how much data you have. 1 TB is
fine for up to 500 GB or so, assuming you are using Time Machine.
How long did it take to build up 292 GB and what is the expected rate of
growth in the next few years?
I wouldn't worry about RAM. See how much you actually use first, because
ordering extra RAM in a new Mac is very expensive. In any case, iMacs now
come with 8 GB which should be enough for most users. If that *does* become
insufficient in the future, you can fit 3rd party RAM yourself.
Can you wait until the iMac gets 802.11AC Wi-Fi? It can't be far away and
you want to be as future-proof as possible.
Otto
On 20 August 2013 18:34, Dolores <djdesi98@gmail.com > wrote:
> I intend to buy a new 27" iMac and spent some time talking to a salesman
> at the Apple store. This clarified some points and left me more confused
> about other decisions.
>
> I want to add some extra hard drive but the jump seems to be from 1 TB to
> 3 TB. Three TB sounds like overkill. I have 292 GB on my current computer
> and am always adding more music, photos, and images.
>
> Do I want to add more RAM?
>
> I am also wondering about Time Machine and my Airport Express. Will I be
> able to use
> my current equipment with a new 27" 1 or 3 TB computer? I have Air Port
> Express and a Seagate hard drive [1000 GB] or will I need to move up to the
> wireless system?
>
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Wi-Fi router yet.
The backup space you need is dictated by how much data you have. 1 TB is
fine for up to 500 GB or so, assuming you are using Time Machine.
How long did it take to build up 292 GB and what is the expected rate of
growth in the next few years?
I wouldn't worry about RAM. See how much you actually use first, because
ordering extra RAM in a new Mac is very expensive. In any case, iMacs now
come with 8 GB which should be enough for most users. If that *does* become
insufficient in the future, you can fit 3rd party RAM yourself.
Can you wait until the iMac gets 802.11AC Wi-Fi? It can't be far away and
you want to be as future-proof as possible.
Otto
On 20 August 2013 18:34, Dolores <djdesi98@gmail.
> I intend to buy a new 27" iMac and spent some time talking to a salesman
> at the Apple store. This clarified some points and left me more confused
> about other decisions.
>
> I want to add some extra hard drive but the jump seems to be from 1 TB to
> 3 TB. Three TB sounds like overkill. I have 292 GB on my current computer
> and am always adding more music, photos, and images.
>
> Do I want to add more RAM?
>
> I am also wondering about Time Machine and my Airport Express. Will I be
> able to use
> my current equipment with a new 27" 1 or 3 TB computer? I have Air Port
> Express and a Seagate hard drive [1000 GB] or will I need to move up to the
> wireless system?
>
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:16 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Pat Taylor" pat412255
That's what I'm waiting for here. I have it on my new Macbook Air & am sure happy with it. I also bought the new Time Capsule when it was released & it works fine with the older models of Express & Extreme that I use to extend my network.
On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com > wrote:
> Can you wait until the iMac gets 802.11AC Wi-Fi? It can't be far away and
> you want to be as future-proof as possible.
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On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
> Can you wait until the iMac gets 802.11AC Wi-Fi? It can't be far away and
> you want to be as future-proof as possible.
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
In Snow Leopard, Mail (4.6) still has the Bounce menu item. But I do not see it listed as a filter action.
Is there some way to automate bouncing a message based on a sender's address?
I'm open to other ways to do this. I am not open to questions re. my desire to do so.
Thanks,
Dave
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
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Is there some way to automate bouncing a message based on a sender's address?
I'm open to other ways to do this. I am not open to questions re. my desire to do so.
Thanks,
Dave
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
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