8/11/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9699

15 New Messages

Digest #9699
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Re: Mavericks and USB 3.0 by "Michael King" prudencehalliwell507
2b
Re: Mavericks and USB 3.0 by "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler
2c
Re: Mavericks and USB 3.0 by "Michael King" prudencehalliwell507
3a
Question for Randy by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
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Re: Question for Randy by "Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
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Re: Time Machine problem by "Paul" hlecptr
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Re: Time Machine problem by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
4c
Re: Time Machine problem by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
5a
Re: Digest Number 9698 by "George Robertson" haydn46
5b
Re: Digest Number 9698 by "Pat Osborne" pako98_2000

Messages

Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:55 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"James Robertson" jamesrob328i

Unlike my kids, I'm not "all thumbs" (or perhaps "thumbtastic" is a better word for the ability to type at a gazillion words per minute on the iPhone virtual keyboard). Consequently, when I communicate with them, even though I've conceded that email is (for them) so "last century," I still prefer, when possible, to use the computer's Mac OS Messages app. Problem is, the Messages app SENDS the iMessage every time I enter a carriage return (another legacy element from a bygone communications era--I mean, who BOTHERS with such quaint things as formatting? After all, if you can't say it in 128 characters, what's the use??!!

(that last bit is NOT me thinking)

The result is that my kids all too often get messages from me that consist solely of "Hi" because the <return> key sends the incomplete message.

I've discovered that if I dictate the message, I can say "new line" while dictating, but if I want to use two other archaic conventions (white space between paragraphs, and paragraphs themselves) the dictation entry screen in Messages won't DISPLAY the carriage returns until I can see the text itself (by turning the speech-to-text mode off and on by rapid "<function&gt;<function&gt;" keytaps). Because I type passably well in QWERTY, I'm hoping there's a way of formatting my messages without having to do alternate between keyboard and microphone.

Anyone know if there is a way?

--
Jim Robertson
__o
_-\<,_
(*)/ (*)
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My other car is an S-Works Roubaix

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Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:37 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

Yes, in this case CR = <send>.

You can insert a newline using <ctrl><send> or <option><send>. I think most
word processor apps work in a similar way: <send> starts a new para and you
need to use <option><send> for a newline.

Otto

On 11 August 2013 13:55, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net> wrote:

> Unlike my kids, I'm not "all thumbs" (or perhaps "thumbtastic&quot; is a better
> word for the ability to type at a gazillion words per minute on the iPhone
> virtual keyboard). Consequently, when I communicate with them, even though
> I've conceded that email is (for them) so "last century," I still prefer,
> when possible, to use the computer's Mac OS Messages app. Problem is, the
> Messages app SENDS the iMessage every time I enter a carriage return
> (another legacy element from a bygone communications era--I mean, who
> BOTHERS with such quaint things as formatting? After all, if you can't say
> it in 128 characters, what's the use??!!
>
> (that last bit is NOT me thinking)
>
> The result is that my kids all too often get messages from me that consist
> solely of "Hi" because the <return> key sends the incomplete message.
>
> I've discovered that if I dictate the message, I can say "new line" while
> dictating, but if I want to use two other archaic conventions (white space
> between paragraphs, and paragraphs themselves) the dictation entry screen
> in Messages won't DISPLAY the carriage returns until I can see the text
> itself (by turning the speech-to-text mode off and on by rapid
> "<function&gt;<function&gt;" keytaps). Because I type passably well in QWERTY,
> I'm hoping there's a way of formatting my messages without having to do
> alternate between keyboard and microphone.
>
> Anyone know if there is a way?
>

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Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:02 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Dave Clark" dave24c

But where and how does the user get these commands on an iPhone?

Dave Clark
Sent from my iPhone
949-639-9418

On Aug 11, 2013, at 6:36 AM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Yes, in this case CR = <send>.
>
> You can insert a newline using <ctrl><send> or <option><send>. I think most
> word processor apps work in a similar way: <send> starts a new para and you
> need to use <option><send> for a newline.
>
> Otto
>
>
> On 11 August 2013 13:55, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> Unlike my kids, I'm not "all thumbs" (or perhaps "thumbtastic&quot; is a better
>> word for the ability to type at a gazillion words per minute on the iPhone
>> virtual keyboard). Consequently, when I communicate with them, even though
>> I've conceded that email is (for them) so "last century," I still prefer,
>> when possible, to use the computer's Mac OS Messages app. Problem is, the
>> Messages app SENDS the iMessage every time I enter a carriage return
>> (another legacy element from a bygone communications era--I mean, who
>> BOTHERS with such quaint things as formatting? After all, if you can't say
>> it in 128 characters, what's the use??!!
>>
>> (that last bit is NOT me thinking)
>>
>> The result is that my kids all too often get messages from me that consist
>> solely of "Hi" because the <return> key sends the incomplete message.
>>
>> I've discovered that if I dictate the message, I can say "new line" while
>> dictating, but if I want to use two other archaic conventions (white space
>> between paragraphs, and paragraphs themselves) the dictation entry screen
>> in Messages won't DISPLAY the carriage returns until I can see the text
>> itself (by turning the speech-to-text mode off and on by rapid
>> "<function&gt;<function&gt;" keytaps). Because I type passably well in QWERTY,
>> I'm hoping there's a way of formatting my messages without having to do
>> alternate between keyboard and microphone.
>>
>> Anyone know if there is a way?
>
>
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>
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Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"James Robertson" jamesrob328i


On Aug 11, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Dave Clark <dc1999@gmail.com> wrote:

> But where and how does the user get these commands on an iPhone?

My dilemma isn't relevant to the iPhone, where on the "Messages"; composition screen, there's a "return" virtual button bottom right, and a separate "Send" virtual button to the right of the text entry panel. So, it's easy to create new lines and paragraphs on the device assuming one can "thumb" proficiently.

--
Jim Robertson
__o
_-\<,_
(*)/ (*)
```````````````````````````````````````````````````````
My other car is an S-Works Roubaix

Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"James Robertson" jamesrob328i


On Aug 11, 2013, at 6:36 AM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:

> You can insert a newline using <ctrl><send> or <option><send>. I think most
> word processor apps work in a similar way

I thought I'd tried that, familiar as I am with many word processors. Guess I hadn't.

Thanks so much!

--
Jim Robertson
__o
_-\<,_
(*)/ (*)
```````````````````````````````````````````````````````
My other car is an S-Works Roubaix

Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:17 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Michael King" prudencehalliwell507

All I can say is USB 3.0 works fine in Mavericks.
Mike
On 8/11/13, 6:15 AM, "Jon Kreisler" <jonkreisler@gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone heard if Mavericks includes native drivers for USB 3.0? I have
> refrained from buying a USB 3 expansion card because you needed to rely on
> third-party drivers. They have been slow to non-responsive to updates for
> newer OS X releases.
>
> TIA
> Jon
>

Michael King
2.3GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro (Retina) •
10.9 Mavericks

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Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler

Have you tried an external USB 3 disk?

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Michael King <Mking8@gmail.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> All I can say is USB 3.0 works fine in Mavericks.
> Mike
>
> On 8/11/13, 6:15 AM, "Jon Kreisler" <jonkreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone heard if Mavericks includes native drivers for USB 3.0? I have
> > refrained from buying a USB 3 expansion card because you needed to rely
> on
> > third-party drivers. They have been slow to non-responsive to updates for
> > newer OS X releases.
> >
> > TIA
> > Jon
> >
>
> Michael King
> 2.3GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro (Retina) •
> 10.9 Mavericks
>
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>
>
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Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Michael King" prudencehalliwell507

Yes and I seems to be working as it should. I have a 2 TB USB 3.0 Drive and
it is doing fine.
Mike
On 8/11/13, 11:11 AM, "Jon Kreisler" <jonkreisler@gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you tried an external USB 3 disk?
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Michael King <Mking8@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>

Michael King
2.3GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro (Retina) •
10.9 Mavericks

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Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:46 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

I have just received an email notice for TechTool Pro 7. I'm sure others will be seeing this soon, and seeing advertising.

Randy: I'm sure you have a well-considered opinion about software like this in general, and TechTool Pro in particular. Since many of us may soon be contemplating these products, could you tell us your thoughts about their applicability at this stage of development of the MacOS, about their usefulness, about who should consider buying them, if anyone....

Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:02 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger


On Aug 11, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:

> I have just received an email notice for TechTool Pro 7. I'm sure others will be seeing this soon, and seeing advertising.
>
> Randy: I'm sure you have a well-considered opinion about software like this in general, and TechTool Pro in particular. Since many of us may soon be contemplating these products, could you tell us your thoughts about their applicability at this stage of development of the MacOS, about their usefulness, about who should consider buying them, if anyone....

TechTool Pro has lots of features, just about none of which I consider important. The one feature that it has that I find sometimes important is to repair your disk's directory when Disk Utility is unable to. Fortunately that's a rare occurrence these days, and I don't think that it's common enough that you should purchase a utility to anticipate that eventuality. If you do ever need such a utility, Disk Warrior is a far superior choice.

The thing is, OS X 10.9 Mavericks will be out in the next month or two. It's impossible to say at this point what software utilities, if any at all, Mavericks will require.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:47 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Paul" hlecptr



Well I think I have Time Machine and Time Capsule working properly now. I found out there was a reset button on the back of Time Capsule so I pushed that then I re-downloaded Airport Utility. From there I was able to open Time Capsule and delete all prior backups. This gave me 2 TB of space rather than the 34.7 GB it previously said I had.

It is backing up now and estimates it will take about four days to back up the approx 488 GB on my hard drive.

Thanks,

Paul

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@...> wrote:
>
> > I'm having a problem with Time Machine. It keeps telling me I have only 34.7 GB available on a 2 TB drive and that I cannot do any more back ups. I have deleted all backups but I still keep getting this message.
>
> How are you deleting backups?
> Opening the backup drive in Finder, and dragging to the Trash?
>
> Have you *emptied* the Trash (if you don't, all the files and data are still there on the drive)?
>
> > In addition to deleting the backups, I have unplugged/replugged Time Machine, rebooted my iMac, and done clean ups using Disk Utility. I've also tried some suggestions I found using Google but nothing has worked so far.
>
> I presume this is an external drive.
> Is it dedicated ONLY to Time Machine backups?
> How is it connected: Firewire, USB, Ethernet, or Wifi?
> Do you get an error message?
> If so, what exactly does it say?
>
> In System Preference -- Time Machine you will note that it states,
> "The oldest backups are deleted when your disk becomes full"
>
> So Time Machine, in normal operation, should *never* run out of space. That said, it seems to work best if it has 2-3 times the space on the Time Machine drive than there is data on the drive(s) being backed up.
>
> How large is the amount of data being backed up?
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@...
>

Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:01 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> It is backing up now and estimates it will take about four days to back up the approx 488 GB on my hard drive.

1.5 MB/sec ?
Ouch?
Even for Wifi TM backup, that seems slow.

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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.com

Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:22 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

On 11 August 2013 23:01, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com> wrote:

>
> 1.5 MB/sec ?
> Ouch?
> Even for Wifi TM backup, that seems slow.
>

Agreed. For the first backup, I'd connect with ethernet.

Also, I hope there's nothing in the now-deleted backups that were, or might
be, wanted. I don't have much faith in any backup system that requires a
complete wipeout to get it going again.

Otto

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Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"George Robertson" haydn46


If anybody has earned the right to step outside the strict confines of macsupport&#39;s rules, it would be Denver Dan, who has helped so many of us immeasurably over so many years. My understanding of the Mac has increased, thanks to him. I'll happily read anything he wants to say.

George Robertson

Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:33 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Pat Osborne" pako98_2000

George Robertson <mailto:gcrobert@shaw.ca>
August 11, 2013 6:24 PM
> If anybody has earned the right to step outside the strict confines of
> macsupport&#39;s rules, it would be Denver Dan, who has helped so many of
> us immeasurably over so many years. My understanding of the Mac has
> increased, thanks to him. I'll happily read anything he wants to say.
Well said, George, well said! Thank YOU!
--
Pat

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