8/21/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9714

Mac Support Central

15 New Messages

Digest #9714
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Re: No "Unread" Counter on Mail Dock Icon by "Michael Stupinski" mstupinski
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Re: No "Unread" Counter on Mail Dock Icon by "Michael Stupinski" mstupinski
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Re: Bouncing mail with a filter? by "Bill Castine" wcastine
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Re: Bouncing mail with a filter? by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
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Re: Bouncing mail with a filter? by "Bill Castine" wcastine
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Re: Bouncing mail with a filter? by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
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Re: Bouncing mail with a filter? by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
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Re: Cloud storage by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
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DNS IP when on a Network by "Bill B." kernos501
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Re: DNS IP when on a Network by "Bill Boulware" boulware0224
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Re: DNS IP when on a Network by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

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Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:10 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Alan Fry" alanjohnfry


On 21 Aug 201312:43, at 12:43, <stupnski@tiac.net> <stupnski@tiac.net> wrote:

> For some time now (months?) my dock icon for Mail has no longer shown how many unread emails I have. My 'Dock Unread Count' under the General preferences for Mail is set for 'All Mailboxes.&#39;
>
> Any suggestions on getting the counter showing?
>

I read somewhere some time ago that the problem can be solved by closing Mail and then deleting any files in '~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData' with the name 'Envelope Index' (also any with suffixes -shtm or -wal).

On re-launch, Mail then recreates the files, which may take some time depending how big the Mail Boxes are. Mail's Dock Icon should then show the number of unread messages in the top right hand corner.

I have no first hand experience, so do take care. Maybe you could find some support for this procedure by a Google search?

Alan

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Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:54 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Michael Stupinski" mstupinski

The only thing I found via Google search that looked promising was just what you provided, Alan. I quit Mail, trashed the folders recommended and restarted Mail. That gave me a dialog which indicated messages were being imported, but when action stopped the icon still showed no unread messages (there actually were several when I started this process although, of course, the icon hadn't shown them) and I ended up with five "Envelope Index" folders:
Envelope Index
Envelope Index-shm
Envelope Index-T0x7fc8140b8230.tmp.uEWPZQ-shm
Envelope Index-T0x7fc8140b8230.tmp.uEWPZQ-wal
Envelope Index-wal

.............Mike

On Aug 21, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Alan Fry <ajf@afco.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
> On 21 Aug 201312:43, at 12:43, <stupnski@tiac.net> <stupnski@tiac.net> wrote:
>
>> For some time now (months?) my dock icon for Mail has no longer shown how many unread emails I have. My 'Dock Unread Count' under the General preferences for Mail is set for 'All Mailboxes.&#39;
>>
>> Any suggestions on getting the counter showing?
>>
>
> I read somewhere some time ago that the problem can be solved by closing Mail and then deleting any files in '~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData' with the name 'Envelope Index' (also any with suffixes -shtm or -wal).
>
> On re-launch, Mail then recreates the files, which may take some time depending how big the Mail Boxes are. Mail's Dock Icon should then show the number of unread messages in the top right hand corner.
>
> I have no first hand experience, so do take care. Maybe you could find some support for this procedure by a Google search?
>
> Alan
>
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:33 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Alan Fry" alanjohnfry

Mike -- I'm sorry that didn't work and hope the two new and strange-looking 'Envelope Indexes' don't cause any trouble!

I cannot run 10.8.4 on this MacPro so don't have the same Mail setup you have. But I think there is in 'System Preferences>Notifications>;Mail' a checkbox for 'Badge app icon'. I believe it should be ticked and I wonder if yours is?

Alan

On 21 Aug 201317:54, at 17:54, Michael Stupinski wrote:

> The only thing I found via Google search that looked promising was just what you provided, Alan. I quit Mail, trashed the folders recommended and restarted Mail. That gave me a dialog which indicated messages were being imported, but when action stopped the icon still showed no unread messages (there actually were several when I started this process although, of course, the icon hadn't shown them) and I ended up with five "Envelope Index" folders:
> Envelope Index
> Envelope Index-shm
> Envelope Index-T0x7fc8140b8230.tmp.uEWPZQ-shm
> Envelope Index-T0x7fc8140b8230.tmp.uEWPZQ-wal
> Envelope Index-wal
>

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Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Michael Stupinski" mstupinski

No problem, Alan. Your advice was actually spot on and, as for the two strange indexes, I deleted them with no resulting problem. (They were quite small temporary files.)

I was sure I had checked the 'Badge app icon' and that it was checked, because I saw that advice elsewhere, before you made your suggestion. When I checked it just now, however, it was unchecked, as was the 'Play sound when receiving notifications&#39; box. I wonder if rebuilding the indexes reset these preferences.

Anyway, after checking (or rechecking?) these boxes my counter is back.

.........Mike

On Aug 21, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Alan Fry <ajf@afco.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Mike -- I'm sorry that didn't work and hope the two new and strange-looking 'Envelope Indexes' don't cause any trouble!
>
> I cannot run 10.8.4 on this MacPro so don't have the same Mail setup you have. But I think there is in 'System Preferences>Notifications>;Mail' a checkbox for 'Badge app icon'. I believe it should be ticked and I wonder if yours is?
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 21 Aug 201317:54, at 17:54, Michael Stupinski wrote:
>
>> The only thing I found via Google search that looked promising was just what you provided, Alan. I quit Mail, trashed the folders recommended and restarted Mail. That gave me a dialog which indicated messages were being imported, but when action stopped the icon still showed no unread messages (there actually were several when I started this process although, of course, the icon hadn't shown them) and I ended up with five "Envelope Index" folders:
>> Envelope Index
>> Envelope Index-shm
>> Envelope Index-T0x7fc8140b8230.tmp.uEWPZQ-shm
>> Envelope Index-T0x7fc8140b8230.tmp.uEWPZQ-wal
>> Envelope Index-wal
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:32 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Bill Castine" wcastine

I enjoyed the "Bounce" button also and found a piece of software to restore its function and an icon in Mail's toolbar:

http://download.cnet.com/Restore-Bounce-Mail-Button-To-Lions-Mail/3000-20429_4-75629050.html

It works with OSX 10.8.4 as well.

Note: This is one example of free software that works and just may be worth more than it costs!

Bill C.

On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:51 AM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Apple dropped bouncing email, because it did not work at what it was meant to do. Make the spam sender think that the e-ddress was no good.
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Dave C wrote:
>
> In Snow Leopard, Mail (4.6) still has the Bounce menu item. But I do not see it listed as a filter action.
>
> Is there some way to automate bouncing a message based on a sender's address?
>
> I'm open to other ways to do this. I am not open to questions re. my desire to do so.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB

Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:56 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

Yes, but is it better to bounce an unwanted email or simply to delete it?

Otto

On 21 August 2013 14:32, Bill Castine <bill.castine@gmail.com> wrote:

> I enjoyed the "Bounce" button also and found a piece of software to
> restore its function and an icon in Mail's toolbar:
>
>
> http://download.cnet.com/Restore-Bounce-Mail-Button-To-Lions-Mail/3000-20429_4-75629050.html
>
> It works with OSX 10.8.4 as well.
>
> Note: This is one example of free software that works and just may be
> worth more than it costs!
>

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Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:32 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Bill Castine" wcastine

That is open to debate. Apple apparently decided it was better to delete than to bounce and, consquently, removed the option. Personally, I still like to bounce occasionally so I chose to install the software.

Bill C.

On Aug 21, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Yes, but is it better to bounce an unwanted email or simply to delete it?
>
> Otto
>
> On 21 August 2013 14:32, Bill Castine <bill.castine@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I enjoyed the "Bounce" button also and found a piece of software to
> > restore its function and an icon in Mail's toolbar:
> >
> >
> > http://download.cnet.com/Restore-Bounce-Mail-Button-To-Lions-Mail/3000-20429_4-75629050.html
> >
> > It works with OSX 10.8.4 as well.
> >
> > Note: This is one example of free software that works and just may be
> > worth more than it costs!
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:14 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> Bill Castine wrote:
>> I enjoyed the "Bounce" button also and found a piece of software to restore its function and an icon in Mail's toolbar.
>>
>> Note: This is one example of free software that works and just may be worth more than it costs!

>
> Yes, but is it better to bounce an unwanted email or simply to delete it?
> Otto

The ostensible purpose of bouncing an email message is to convince the sender that the addressee doesn't exist, so that your address will be removed from their future mailings.

But, on the one hand, it assumes the spammer pays any attention at all to the bounce, rather than freely spamming addresses without regard for their validity, since it costs nothing to do so.

And on the other, is it even possible to bounce a message from WITHIN a mail program without indirectly confirming the validity of he address?

I delete.
Well, I mark it as spam using SpamSieve and delete.

Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

On 21 August 2013 17:14, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com> wrote:

>
> The ostensible purpose of bouncing an email message is to convince the
> sender that the addressee doesn't exist, so that your address will be
> removed from their future mailings.
>
> But, on the one hand, it assumes the spammer pays any attention at all to
> the bounce, rather than freely spamming addresses without regard for their
> validity, since it costs nothing to do so.
>
> And on the other, is it even possible to bounce a message from WITHIN a
> mail program without indirectly confirming the validity of he address?
>
> I delete.
> Well, I mark it as spam using SpamSieve and delete.
>

I do the same, except I use the spam filters in Mail and Gmail.

My suspicion is that once an email has passed through your email provider
to your client, it's already too late for a bounce to convince the spammer
that the address is invalid.

Otto

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Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:

cheeky_chas

Can I ask a (perhaps naive) question on this topic?

If the surveillance we hear about is true, also the fact that we are told if you do bad things on the internet you will be found………….why is it that spammers cannot be found and their spamming stopped or curtailed?

Charles.

On 21 Aug 2013, at 17:21, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 21 August 2013 17:14, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > The ostensible purpose of bouncing an email message is to convince the
> > sender that the addressee doesn't exist, so that your address will be
> > removed from their future mailings.
> >
> > But, on the one hand, it assumes the spammer pays any attention at all to
> > the bounce, rather than freely spamming addresses without regard for their
> > validity, since it costs nothing to do so.
> >
> > And on the other, is it even possible to bounce a message from WITHIN a
> > mail program without indirectly confirming the validity of he address?
> >
> > I delete.
> > Well, I mark it as spam using SpamSieve and delete.
> >
>
> I do the same, except I use the spam filters in Mail and Gmail.
>
> My suspicion is that once an email has passed through your email provider
> to your client, it's already too late for a bounce to convince the spammer
> that the address is invalid.
>
> Otto
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:51 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Dave C" davec2468

Would you please start another thread?

It is common practice to respect the OP by not hijacking a thread by asking questions instead of answering the original.

Dave

Sent from my phone.
Please forgive auto-fill errors and typos.

On 21 Aug 2013, at 09:42 AM, ck368@me.com wrote:

If the surveillance we hear about is true, also the fact that we are told if you do bad things on the internet you will be found………….why is it that spammers cannot be found and their spamming stopped or curtailed?

Charles.

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Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:00 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

>> Ah! Now Chris, you have given a good example of one of the rare free apps, the exception that I had mentioned. The beneficial good free app.
>
> VLC? Audacity? Max? Burn?
> Otto

True, not all free or inexpensive stuff is bad.

Ever hear the story about the fellow who answered the ad for a "1965 Corvette in like-new condition" for $50?

He phoned in his interest, he went to the house, the woman took him out to a wonderfully-equipped hobbyist's garage, and there it was, actually in like-new condition, very well cared for.

He paid her the $50, received a receipt and the title, and only then asked why she was selling it so inexpensively.

She said her husband had run off with his secretary two weeks ago, and had just left a phone message: "Need money. Sell the 'Vette. Send me half."

Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:00 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Bill B." kernos501

How do I find out what DNS server I'm using when on a Netwok via a router? When looking at DNS in Network Advanced I just get the local 10.0.1.1 IP

Bill

Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:02 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Bill Boulware" boulware0224

Go to your router (likely that address) and log in - all of the settings
will be there.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Bill B. <bill501@mindspring.com> wrote:

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>
>
> How do I find out what DNS server I'm using when on a Netwok via a router?
> When looking at DNS in Network Advanced I just get the local 10.0.1.1 IP
>
> Bill
>
>

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Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:07 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

Strange. I have DNS Server IPs set in the router and those settings show in
Network > Advanced > DNS, along with the router's name under Search Domain.
These are greyed out, of course. I see the local IP address under Advanced
> TCP/IP.

Otto
OS X 10.8.4

On 21 August 2013 19:00, Bill B. <bill501@mindspring.com> wrote:

> How do I find out what DNS server I'm using when on a Netwok via a router?
> When looking at DNS in Network Advanced I just get the local 10.0.1.1 IP
>

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