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Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> Apple's Mail stores the emails as individual entries.
> In my case, I can browse under:
>
> /Users/jimdoc/
>
> and find messages in the subdirectories.
Jim, when I followed that path on my own iMac to my POP account folder, inside that were .mbox files for my Inbox, Junk, Sent messages, Drafts, and Deleted (but none for the 25 or so mail folders I have created "On My Mac").
When I click on INBOX.mbox, I see inside it an Info.plist files and a folder with this name:
498E9770-2920-
Inside it is a folder called Data. Inside that are ten folders whose names are single digits from 0 to 9. And each of them contains one or more numbered folders. And each of those contains one or more numbered folders. If I open one of those there will be two folders, "Attachments&q
This is so different from what you describe that I wonder if Mail has changed is storage system between Lion and Mountain Lion? I'm running Mail version 5.3 (1283).
Daly
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:31 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> Apple's Mail stores the emails as individual entries.
>> In my case, I can browse under:
>>
>> /Users/jimdoc/Library/Mail/V2/AosIMAP-jimdoc/
>>
>> and find messages in the subdirectories.
>
> Jim, when I followed that path on my own iMac to my POP account folder, inside that were .mbox files for my Inbox, Junk, Sent messages, Drafts, and Deleted (but none for the 25 or so mail folders I have created "On My Mac").
My "On My Mac" stuff is located under:
/Users/jimdoc/Library/Mail/V2/Mailboxes/
> When I click on INBOX.mbox, I see inside it an Info.plist files and a folder with this name:
> 498E9770-2920-40F2-940C-75785FAF0502
>
> Inside it is a folder called Data. Inside that are ten folders whose names are single digits from 0 to 9. And each of them contains one or more numbered folders. And each of those contains one or more numbered folders. If I open one of those there will be two folders, "Attachments" and "Messages," both of which are empty.
>
> This is so different from what you describe that I wonder if Mail has changed is storage system between Lion and Mountain Lion? I'm running Mail version 5.3 (1283).
Please don't get the idea that I *understand* any of this weird file structure.
I have only rummaged around in it looking for stuff a couple of years before *you* decided to rummage around in it looking for stuff....
I have no idea why Mail does this so complexly. What you describe is what I see. The only occasions I have had to delve into these is when I wanted to edit the mailings I received from TidBits, and once I found their subfolder, I had little difficulty finding the correct individual message, by date.
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.com
>> In my case, I can browse under:
>>
>> /Users/jimdoc/
>>
>> and find messages in the subdirectories.
>
> Jim, when I followed that path on my own iMac to my POP account folder, inside that were .mbox files for my Inbox, Junk, Sent messages, Drafts, and Deleted (but none for the 25 or so mail folders I have created "On My Mac").
My "On My Mac" stuff is located under:
/Users/jimdoc/
> When I click on INBOX.mbox, I see inside it an Info.plist files and a folder with this name:
> 498E9770-2920-
>
> Inside it is a folder called Data. Inside that are ten folders whose names are single digits from 0 to 9. And each of them contains one or more numbered folders. And each of those contains one or more numbered folders. If I open one of those there will be two folders, "Attachments&q
>
> This is so different from what you describe that I wonder if Mail has changed is storage system between Lion and Mountain Lion? I'm running Mail version 5.3 (1283).
Please don't get the idea that I *understand* any of this weird file structure.
I have only rummaged around in it looking for stuff a couple of years before *you* decided to rummage around in it looking for stuff....
I have no idea why Mail does this so complexly. What you describe is what I see. The only occasions I have had to delve into these is when I wanted to edit the mailings I received from TidBits, and once I found their subfolder, I had little difficulty finding the correct individual message, by date.
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.
Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:58 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> > I forgot to say that I believe Apple's Mail.app for Mac does not store the emails as individual entries, but all as a total database. And that might explain why deletions take so much time.
> >
> > Hopefully, someone with a better understanding on Mail.app can help.
> > Brent
>
> Apple's Mail stores the emails as individual entries.
> In my case, I can browse under:
>
> /Users/jimdoc/
>
> and find messages in the subdirectories.
>
> I have even used TextWrangler to edit and re-save individual email messages.
>
>
I believe though, that Micro$oft Entourage did file them all in one database. Not sure, though, of its replacement of Outlook (or Look Out!) as a Windows-using friend of mine said years ago). The disadvantage of that is that this humongous file gets backed up in Time Machine every time it is changed.
>
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Smith" jimmacsmith
And I thought I was the only one.
My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.com
On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.net > wrote:
> I'm using the original white buttonless mouse that came with my iMac which I purchased in 2010. For the past several months it has been losing its connection for a few seconds and then reconnecting. It often happens when I install recharged batteries, but happens other times as well. Eventually, it settles down and works pretty much OK until the batteries wear down.
>
> The last time I installed freshly charged batteries, the mouse threw its usual tantrum and then would not connect at all. I brought it over to my son's Mac where it worked just fine. So I plugged in my old hockie puck mouse and worked with it last night and again this morning.
>
> Just now I unplugged the mouse and turned on my wireless one again. It works fine.
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> Is this possibly a bluetooth problem? How can I test? There aren't any other bluetooth items in the house.
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> Debby
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My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.
On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.
> I'm using the original white buttonless mouse that came with my iMac which I purchased in 2010. For the past several months it has been losing its connection for a few seconds and then reconnecting. It often happens when I install recharged batteries, but happens other times as well. Eventually, it settles down and works pretty much OK until the batteries wear down.
>
> The last time I installed freshly charged batteries, the mouse threw its usual tantrum and then would not connect at all. I brought it over to my son's Mac where it worked just fine. So I plugged in my old hockie puck mouse and worked with it last night and again this morning.
>
> Just now I unplugged the mouse and turned on my wireless one again. It works fine.
>
> Is this possibly a bluetooth problem? How can I test? There aren't any other bluetooth items in the house.
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> Debby
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Engberg" mrbyte
It's the wireless batteries, guys. Read this stuff.
http://store.apple.com/us/question/answers/product/MB829LL/A/will-the-magic-mouse-run-on-rechargeable-batteries-like-lithium-batteries/QA4DCAK92ADTJHKFP
John Engberg
On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.com > wrote:
> And I thought I was the only one.
>
> My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
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> Jim Smith
> www.rvcarelogbook.com
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> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.net > wrote:
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>> I'm using the original white buttonless mouse that came with my iMac which I purchased in 2010. For the past several months it has been losing its connection for a few seconds and then reconnecting. It often happens when I install recharged batteries, but happens other times as well. Eventually, it settles down and works pretty much OK until the batteries wear down.
>>
>> The last time I installed freshly charged batteries, the mouse threw its usual tantrum and then would not connect at all. I brought it over to my son's Mac where it worked just fine. So I plugged in my old hockie puck mouse and worked with it last night and again this morning.
>>
>> Just now I unplugged the mouse and turned on my wireless one again. It works fine.
>>
>> Is this possibly a bluetooth problem? How can I test? There aren't any other bluetooth items in the house.
>>
>> Debby
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On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.
> And I thought I was the only one.
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> My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
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> Jim Smith
> www.rvcarelogbook.
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> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.
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>> I'm using the original white buttonless mouse that came with my iMac which I purchased in 2010. For the past several months it has been losing its connection for a few seconds and then reconnecting. It often happens when I install recharged batteries, but happens other times as well. Eventually, it settles down and works pretty much OK until the batteries wear down.
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>> The last time I installed freshly charged batteries, the mouse threw its usual tantrum and then would not connect at all. I brought it over to my son's Mac where it worked just fine. So I plugged in my old hockie puck mouse and worked with it last night and again this morning.
>>
>> Just now I unplugged the mouse and turned on my wireless one again. It works fine.
>>
>> Is this possibly a bluetooth problem? How can I test? There aren't any other bluetooth items in the house.
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>> Debby
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jeannie" chloe898
I think that is just bluetooth for you, and the reason why I also have
another mac mouse with a cord installed.
Jeannie
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.com > wrote:
> And I thought I was the only one.
>
> My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
>
> Jim Smith
> www.rvcarelogbook.com
>
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.net > wrote:
>
> > I'm using the original white buttonless mouse that came with my iMac
> which I purchased in 2010. For the past several months it has been losing
> its connection for a few seconds and then reconnecting. It often happens
> when I install recharged batteries, but happens other times as well.
> Eventually, it settles down and works pretty much OK until the batteries
> wear down.
> >
> > The last time I installed freshly charged batteries, the mouse threw its
> usual tantrum and then would not connect at all. I brought it over to my
> son's Mac where it worked just fine. So I plugged in my old hockie puck
> mouse and worked with it last night and again this morning.
> >
> > Just now I unplugged the mouse and turned on my wireless one again. It
> works fine.
> >
> > Is this possibly a bluetooth problem? How can I test? There aren't any
> other bluetooth items in the house.
> >
> > Debby
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another mac mouse with a cord installed.
Jeannie
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.
> And I thought I was the only one.
>
> My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
>
> Jim Smith
> www.rvcarelogbook.
>
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.
>
> > I'm using the original white buttonless mouse that came with my iMac
> which I purchased in 2010. For the past several months it has been losing
> its connection for a few seconds and then reconnecting. It often happens
> when I install recharged batteries, but happens other times as well.
> Eventually, it settles down and works pretty much OK until the batteries
> wear down.
> >
> > The last time I installed freshly charged batteries, the mouse threw its
> usual tantrum and then would not connect at all. I brought it over to my
> son's Mac where it worked just fine. So I plugged in my old hockie puck
> mouse and worked with it last night and again this morning.
> >
> > Just now I unplugged the mouse and turned on my wireless one again. It
> works fine.
> >
> > Is this possibly a bluetooth problem? How can I test? There aren't any
> other bluetooth items in the house.
> >
> > Debby
> >
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:27 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Smith" jimmacsmith
Do you think that Apple would have bundle incorrect batteries with the Mouse and the charger I also got at the same time.
Also why do they only have problem the first couple days or so after installed after charging? After that they work till need recharge.
Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.com
On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:42 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.net > wrote:
> It's the wireless batteries, guys. Read this stuff.
>
> http://store.apple.com/us/question/answers/product/MB829LL/A/will-the-magic-mouse-run-on-rechargeable-batteries-like-lithium-batteries/QA4DCAK92ADTJHKFP
>
> John Engberg
>
> On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> And I thought I was the only one.
>>
>> My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
>>
>> Jim Smith
>> www.rvcarelogbook.com
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.net > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using the original white buttonless mouse that came with my iMac which I purchased in 2010. For the past several months it has been losing its connection for a few seconds and then reconnecting. It often happens when I install recharged batteries, but happens other times as well. Eventually, it settles down and works pretty much OK until the batteries wear down.
>>>
>>> The last time I installed freshly charged batteries, the mouse threw its usual tantrum and then would not connect at all. I brought it over to my son's Mac where it worked just fine. So I plugged in my old hockie puck mouse and worked with it last night and again this morning.
>>>
>>> Just now I unplugged the mouse and turned on my wireless one again. It works fine.
>>>
>>> Is this possibly a bluetooth problem? How can I test? There aren't any other bluetooth items in the house.
>>>
>>> Debby
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Also why do they only have problem the first couple days or so after installed after charging? After that they work till need recharge.
Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.
On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:42 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.
> It's the wireless batteries, guys. Read this stuff.
>
> http://store.
>
> John Engberg
>
> On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.
>
>> And I thought I was the only one.
>>
>> My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
>>
>> Jim Smith
>> www.rvcarelogbook.
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.
>>
>>> I'm using the original white buttonless mouse that came with my iMac which I purchased in 2010. For the past several months it has been losing its connection for a few seconds and then reconnecting. It often happens when I install recharged batteries, but happens other times as well. Eventually, it settles down and works pretty much OK until the batteries wear down.
>>>
>>> The last time I installed freshly charged batteries, the mouse threw its usual tantrum and then would not connect at all. I brought it over to my son's Mac where it worked just fine. So I plugged in my old hockie puck mouse and worked with it last night and again this morning.
>>>
>>> Just now I unplugged the mouse and turned on my wireless one again. It works fine.
>>>
>>> Is this possibly a bluetooth problem? How can I test? There aren't any other bluetooth items in the house.
>>>
>>> Debby
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Smith" jimmacsmith
John
I take that back.
Just check one of the charged up Apple batteries and it is 1.43 V. Maybe it should be 1.2 but I'm using a non Apple charger, I gave my Apple charger to my grandson when I gave him my old mac.
Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.com
On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.com > wrote:
> Do you think that Apple would have bundle incorrect batteries with the Mouse and the charger I also got at the same time.
>
> Also why do they only have problem the first couple days or so after installed after charging? After that they work till need recharge.
>
> Jim Smith
> www.rvcarelogbook.com
>
> On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:42 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.net > wrote:
>
>> It's the wireless batteries, guys. Read this stuff.
>>
>> http://store.apple.com/us/question/answers/product/MB829LL/A/will-the-magic-mouse-run-on-rechargeable-batteries-like-lithium-batteries/QA4DCAK92ADTJHKFP
>>
>> John Engberg
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>> And I thought I was the only one.
>>>
>>> My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
>>>
>>> Jim Smith
>>> www.rvcarelogbook.com
>>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.net > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm using the original white buttonless mouse that came with my iMac which I purchased in 2010. For the past several months it has been losing its connection for a few seconds and then reconnecting. It often happens when I install recharged batteries, but happens other times as well. Eventually, it settles down and works pretty much OK until the batteries wear down.
>>>>
>>>> The last time I installed freshly charged batteries, the mouse threw its usual tantrum and then would not connect at all. I brought it over to my son's Mac where it worked just fine. So I plugged in my old hockie puck mouse and worked with it last night and again this morning.
>>>>
>>>> Just now I unplugged the mouse and turned on my wireless one again. It works fine.
>>>>
>>>> Is this possibly a bluetooth problem? How can I test? There aren't any other bluetooth items in the house.
>>>>
>>>> Debby
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
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I take that back.
Just check one of the charged up Apple batteries and it is 1.43 V. Maybe it should be 1.2 but I'm using a non Apple charger, I gave my Apple charger to my grandson when I gave him my old mac.
Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.
On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.
> Do you think that Apple would have bundle incorrect batteries with the Mouse and the charger I also got at the same time.
>
> Also why do they only have problem the first couple days or so after installed after charging? After that they work till need recharge.
>
> Jim Smith
> www.rvcarelogbook.
>
> On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:42 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.
>
>> It's the wireless batteries, guys. Read this stuff.
>>
>> http://store.
>>
>> John Engberg
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.
>>
>>> And I thought I was the only one.
>>>
>>> My 2011 iMac does the same thing.
>>>
>>> Jim Smith
>>> www.rvcarelogbook.
>>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Deb <debbys@verizon.
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Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:50 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
NiMH batteries might have a nominal voltage of 1.2 but they usually measure
around 1.4 when fully charged. This is still less than disposable alkaline
batteries (1.5 nominal) so I don't see that it could be relevant to your
problem.
Otto
On 19 August 2013 01:26, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.com > wrote:
> John
> I take that back.
> Just check one of the charged up Apple batteries and it is 1.43 V. Maybe
> it should be 1.2 but I'm using a non Apple charger, I gave my Apple charger
> to my grandson when I gave him my old mac.
>
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around 1.4 when fully charged. This is still less than disposable alkaline
batteries (1.5 nominal) so I don't see that it could be relevant to your
problem.
Otto
On 19 August 2013 01:26, Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.
> John
> I take that back.
> Just check one of the charged up Apple batteries and it is 1.43 V. Maybe
> it should be 1.2 but I'm using a non Apple charger, I gave my Apple charger
> to my grandson when I gave him my old mac.
>
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." joan05061
I have received notices both from Apple regarding iCloud storage and from Dropbox that I need. The question is how to sync my information between my computers, iPhone and iPad, specifically things like my 1Password information, Mail, Music etc. using Dropbox or iCloud or both and is it worth it to buy more storage on either? According to information about iCloud on my iPhone, I have a lot of storage (almost 23 GB) left in iCloud, whereas on Dropbox I have used 68% of my free storage (I use it for some documents). Should I do all the synching between devices on iCloud or on Dropbox (the Dropbox storage, $99 a year for 100 GB in Dropbox versus $40 for 25GB)? I don't synch my photos and I don't have any videos, so I don't think I need 100 GB, but is Dropbox more reliable?
I have an iPhone 5, an iPad 4 (running IOS 6.1.3), a MacBook Air and an older iMac, the latter two running Mountain Lion (10.8.4). I do travel and need to access my information from either the MacBook or the iPad. I do have a free-standing backup disk and I use Super Duper to do so.
Any advice is most appreciated.
Joan
I have an iPhone 5, an iPad 4 (running IOS 6.1.3), a MacBook Air and an older iMac, the latter two running Mountain Lion (10.8.4). I do travel and need to access my information from either the MacBook or the iPad. I do have a free-standing backup disk and I use Super Duper to do so.
Any advice is most appreciated.
Joan
Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Paul" hlecptr
Is anyone aware of any cable connections to connect an iPad to a printer?
Thanks,
Paul
Thanks,
Paul
Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:22 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Pat Taylor" pat412255
No, but I use Printopia to print from my iPad to my wired Samsung & wireless Canon printers. You might check the app store for other apps to do the job.
On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Paul <HLECPTR@aol.com > wrote:
> Is anyone aware of any cable connections to connect an iPad to a printer?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
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On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Paul <HLECPTR@aol.
> Is anyone aware of any cable connections to connect an iPad to a printer?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
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