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Thu Aug 1, 2013 6:26 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"ennisart" ennisart
I agree, a migration path is needed. I think the lost investment in data entry is far more costly than the price of the program.
John
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "Randy B. Singer" <randy@...> wrote:
> In time many Bento users are going to want something to migrate their data to that is in roughly the same class as Bento. I don't know what all the export capabilities of Bento are, and what all the import capabilities are of the following, but here are a few suggestions for you to write their developers and ask them about a migration path from Bento:
>
> Panorama Sheets ($40)
> http://provue.com/panoramasheets/index.html
> See this regarding importing your Bento data:
> http://provue.com/panoramasheets/faq/index.html#Can_Panorama_import_data_from_m
>
> iList Data ($70)
> http://www.lakewoodstudios.com/ilistdata/
>
> iDatabase ($20)
> http://www.apimac.com/mac/idatabase/
>
> Valentina (FREE/$200)
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com/
> http://www.valentina-db.com/
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
John
--- In macsupportcentral@
> In time many Bento users are going to want something to migrate their data to that is in roughly the same class as Bento. I don't know what all the export capabilities of Bento are, and what all the import capabilities are of the following, but here are a few suggestions for you to write their developers and ask them about a migration path from Bento:
>
> Panorama Sheets ($40)
> http://provue.
> See this regarding importing your Bento data:
> http://provue.
>
> iList Data ($70)
> http://www.lakewood
>
> iDatabase ($20)
> http://www.apimac.
>
> Valentina (FREE/$200)
> http://www.paradigm
> http://www.valentin
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
> ____________
>
Thu Aug 1, 2013 7:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Rob Frankel" robfrankeldotcom
You could choose to simply not upgrade. That's what I've chosen to do.
After 20+ years of using Macs, I've realized that most upgrades -- be
it for operating systems or software performance -- usually aren't
worth the cost or effort. For example, Microsoft Word is a great
program, but most people barely use it for more than a word
processor. I think the popular figure is 5% of its features are
actually used by 90% of users.
Same thing with Bento, OSX, Photoshop, QuarkXpress and just about
every other upgrade package: Once you get off the Mac-driven frenzy
to constantly stay on the bleeding edge -- for no other reason than
to "stay current" -- you realize you can do quite nicely without
upgrading.
I'm on OSX 10.6.8 for good, because it's stable and the last system
that allows me to use the best e-mail program ever (Eudora) and saves
me thousands in upgrade dollars for products lie Quark and Photoshop,
among others.
Since 10.7 was introduced, I haven't seen ONE product or service that
was worth the cost, effort, or frustrations associated with upgrades.
If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the
"gotta have it" hamster wheel.
--
Rob Frankel
Branding Expert http://www.RobFrankel.com
Twitter: @brandingexpert
AIM/Skype: ROBFRANKEL ICQ: 249862730
1-888-ROBFRANKEL * 818-990-8623 * E-Fax 413-778-0909
Yes, there's an RSS feed blog, if you can handle it:
http://www.robfrankelblog.com
After 20+ years of using Macs, I've realized that most upgrades -- be
it for operating systems or software performance -- usually aren't
worth the cost or effort. For example, Microsoft Word is a great
program, but most people barely use it for more than a word
processor. I think the popular figure is 5% of its features are
actually used by 90% of users.
Same thing with Bento, OSX, Photoshop, QuarkXpress and just about
every other upgrade package: Once you get off the Mac-driven frenzy
to constantly stay on the bleeding edge -- for no other reason than
to "stay current" -- you realize you can do quite nicely without
upgrading.
I'm on OSX 10.6.8 for good, because it's stable and the last system
that allows me to use the best e-mail program ever (Eudora) and saves
me thousands in upgrade dollars for products lie Quark and Photoshop,
among others.
Since 10.7 was introduced, I haven't seen ONE product or service that
was worth the cost, effort, or frustrations associated with upgrades.
If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the
"gotta have it" hamster wheel.
--
Rob Frankel
Branding Expert http://www.RobFrank
Twitter: @brandingexpert
AIM/Skype: ROBFRANKEL ICQ: 249862730
1-888-ROBFRANKEL * 818-990-8623 * E-Fax 413-778-0909
Yes, there's an RSS feed blog, if you can handle it:
http://www.robfrank
Thu Aug 1, 2013 8:16 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
Rob,
Like you I've stuck with SL. The only things that might force an upgrade would be a security threat for which Apple no longer provides security updates; and web pages that are written using a new standard ( can you imagine HTML16? ) for which there is no SL-compatible browser. I recently ran Netscape ( before it was named Navigator? ) on OS 6. It was not pretty.
Cheers,
Dave
Sent from my phone.
Please forgive auto-fill errors and typos.
On 1 Aug 2013, at 07:35 AM, Rob Frankel <rob@robfrankel.com > wrote:
If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the
"gotta have it" hamster wheel.
Rob Frankel
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Like you I've stuck with SL. The only things that might force an upgrade would be a security threat for which Apple no longer provides security updates; and web pages that are written using a new standard ( can you imagine HTML16? ) for which there is no SL-compatible browser. I recently ran Netscape ( before it was named Navigator? ) on OS 6. It was not pretty.
Cheers,
Dave
Sent from my phone.
Please forgive auto-fill errors and typos.
On 1 Aug 2013, at 07:35 AM, Rob Frankel <rob@robfrankel.
If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the
"gotta have it" hamster wheel.
Rob Frankel
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thu Aug 1, 2013 10:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Charles" schuetzen
On 8/1/13 9:35 AM, Rob Frankel wrote:
> You could choose to simply not upgrade. That's what I've chosen to do.
>
> After 20+ years of using Macs, I've realized that most upgrades -- be it
> for operating systems or software performance -- usually aren't worth the
> cost or effort. For example, Microsoft Word is a great program, but most
> people barely use it for more than a word processor. I think the popular
> figure is 5% of its features are actually used by 90% of users.
>
> Same thing with Bento, OSX, Photoshop, QuarkXpress and just about every
> other upgrade package: Once you get off the Mac-driven frenzy to
> constantly stay on the bleeding edge -- for no other reason than to "stay
> current" -- you realize you can do quite nicely without upgrading.
>
> I'm on OSX 10.6.8 for good, because it's stable and the last system that
> allows me to use the best e-mail program ever (Eudora) and saves me
> thousands in upgrade dollars for products lie Quark and Photoshop, among
> others.
>
> Since 10.7 was introduced, I haven't seen ONE product or service that was
> worth the cost, effort, or frustrations associated with upgrades.
>
> If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the "gotta
> have it" hamster wheel.
>
AMEN!!
I have followed advice and restored my MACPro BACK to v20 of Firefox and
gotten rid of most of the bugs. I have turned off the update toggles on all
the software I can find and that includes all the ADD ONs, etc
Adobe Acrobat reader etc v11 has been deleted and restored back to v9.5 or
whatever. that has greatly improved things. Turned off FLASH, etc
iow, strip it back down to about what it was when I bought it back in 2005.
I will stay with 10.6.8 until some far day in the future when I can afford a
"can" but until then, my MAC runs on Snow and my digital software ham radio
laptop (T-41 Intel) runs great on XP Pro SP3.
I refuse to buy into the planned obsolescence game of Apple, M$$, etc.
Mozilla FF 20 and TB 17 work on both platforms and I am going to start
stripping down all the Add Ons, Extensions, Appearances, etc. Kinda like my
old daddy used to say when I tried to get him into an Auto Tranny, electric
door locks, etc. The more unnecessary stuff on cars, guns, etc - the more
likely they are to break down. Damn but he was smart!
chas, Houston, k5dam
> You could choose to simply not upgrade. That's what I've chosen to do.
>
> After 20+ years of using Macs, I've realized that most upgrades -- be it
> for operating systems or software performance -- usually aren't worth the
> cost or effort. For example, Microsoft Word is a great program, but most
> people barely use it for more than a word processor. I think the popular
> figure is 5% of its features are actually used by 90% of users.
>
> Same thing with Bento, OSX, Photoshop, QuarkXpress and just about every
> other upgrade package: Once you get off the Mac-driven frenzy to
> constantly stay on the bleeding edge -- for no other reason than to "stay
> current" -- you realize you can do quite nicely without upgrading.
>
> I'm on OSX 10.6.8 for good, because it's stable and the last system that
> allows me to use the best e-mail program ever (Eudora) and saves me
> thousands in upgrade dollars for products lie Quark and Photoshop, among
> others.
>
> Since 10.7 was introduced, I haven't seen ONE product or service that was
> worth the cost, effort, or frustrations associated with upgrades.
>
> If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the "gotta
> have it" hamster wheel.
>
AMEN!!
I have followed advice and restored my MACPro BACK to v20 of Firefox and
gotten rid of most of the bugs. I have turned off the update toggles on all
the software I can find and that includes all the ADD ONs, etc
Adobe Acrobat reader etc v11 has been deleted and restored back to v9.5 or
whatever. that has greatly improved things. Turned off FLASH, etc
iow, strip it back down to about what it was when I bought it back in 2005.
I will stay with 10.6.8 until some far day in the future when I can afford a
"can" but until then, my MAC runs on Snow and my digital software ham radio
laptop (T-41 Intel) runs great on XP Pro SP3.
I refuse to buy into the planned obsolescence game of Apple, M$$, etc.
Mozilla FF 20 and TB 17 work on both platforms and I am going to start
stripping down all the Add Ons, Extensions, Appearances, etc. Kinda like my
old daddy used to say when I tried to get him into an Auto Tranny, electric
door locks, etc. The more unnecessary stuff on cars, guns, etc - the more
likely they are to break down. Damn but he was smart!
chas, Houston, k5dam
Thu Aug 1, 2013 11:54 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Not to upgrade at the current time is the choice I am making.
This argument seems funny coming from the Branding Expert. Good observations, just a funny stance to take in your profession.
I am going to whine and complain to Filemaker, and hope that lots of others do the same, in the hope that Filemaker will change their minds. In fact, to show my commitment to staying with Bento, I even purchased the iPad version, yesterday. I don't own an iPad, but hope to when my budget gets better.
BUT… there is one major problem. Apple has recently been changing the OSes in a way that old apps don't always work. Granted, it has been at about an 8 year intervals, but it seems like it is faster than that. Also if there is no official support from the developer, people start looking for third party mods, which opens a door for malware, or at the least poor integration. And things like syncing start to break due to neglect (lack of support when things change).
I agree that most upgrades are not worth the cost or effort, unless there is a specific feature that you actually need, not want, but actually need, in your personal situation. As for MS Office, I only upgrade when it no longer works with the OS I am currently running, and sometime only then when I can get an employer to pay for it. I am always amazed at the frenzy that a new OS X generates when many of the new features are mostly eye-candy and bragging-rights.
With how you portray branding, I translate that to mean all of those companies have failed with branding, making their product a necessity.
In this case I believe Filemaker has failed a big portion of their customers in another way. They think their product is necessary, and they believe the consumer level user will be forced to upgrade to Filemaker. They have basically said, "Either cough up a lot more money, or don't let the door catch you on the way out." They are trying to sell that they have offered the Bento user a up-grade path, but actually state on their FAQ reasons why it is not appropriate for the consumer level user not to upgrade to Filemaker. Have they not heard of Evernote, or other database apps that are on the market?
It is sad when a developer that Apple-users have loyally followed and supported for years, suddenly abandon those users. Another case in point is DataViz. They started with an app that made it possible to easily move and open a document from Windows to Mac OS, and vice versa. After some 10 years, it was no longer needed by most, they added other apps like Password Plus, which stored passwords and synced them to non-Apple devices. When the iPhone came out, it took them over 4 years to port it over to the iPhone. By that time I had moved on. Now they are owned by RIM, have reduced their product line to only 3 apps, 2 of which support Apple products. The platforms they support are OS X, iOS, Android, Windows, Blackberry and Symbian. But they do this poorly, because none of the 3 apps supports the full list of platforms, and some of those platforms hold only a small market share. I guess they can not see the market for their biggest product, Docs to Go, is rapidly being eaten up by other solutions, like Dropbox or Google Docs. They seem to be dying a death from a thousand cuts of not supporting their customers, backing the wrong horses, and lack of a completely new product to bolster their vintage product line. Or is it more like putting frog in a pot of cool water?
On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Rob Frankel wrote:
You could choose to simply not upgrade. That's what I've chosen to do.
After 20+ years of using Macs, I've realized that most upgrades -- be
it for operating systems or software performance -- usually aren't
worth the cost or effort. For example, Microsoft Word is a great
program, but most people barely use it for more than a word
processor. I think the popular figure is 5% of its features are
actually used by 90% of users.
Same thing with Bento, OSX, Photoshop, QuarkXpress and just about
every other upgrade package: Once you get off the Mac-driven frenzy
to constantly stay on the bleeding edge -- for no other reason than
to "stay current" -- you realize you can do quite nicely without
upgrading.
I'm on OSX 10.6.8 for good, because it's stable and the last system
that allows me to use the best e-mail program ever (Eudora) and saves
me thousands in upgrade dollars for products lie Quark and Photoshop,
among others.
Since 10.7 was introduced, I haven't seen ONE product or service that
was worth the cost, effort, or frustrations associated with upgrades.
If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the
"gotta have it" hamster wheel.
--
Rob Frankel
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
This argument seems funny coming from the Branding Expert. Good observations, just a funny stance to take in your profession.
I am going to whine and complain to Filemaker, and hope that lots of others do the same, in the hope that Filemaker will change their minds. In fact, to show my commitment to staying with Bento, I even purchased the iPad version, yesterday. I don't own an iPad, but hope to when my budget gets better.
BUT… there is one major problem. Apple has recently been changing the OSes in a way that old apps don't always work. Granted, it has been at about an 8 year intervals, but it seems like it is faster than that. Also if there is no official support from the developer, people start looking for third party mods, which opens a door for malware, or at the least poor integration. And things like syncing start to break due to neglect (lack of support when things change).
I agree that most upgrades are not worth the cost or effort, unless there is a specific feature that you actually need, not want, but actually need, in your personal situation. As for MS Office, I only upgrade when it no longer works with the OS I am currently running, and sometime only then when I can get an employer to pay for it. I am always amazed at the frenzy that a new OS X generates when many of the new features are mostly eye-candy and bragging-rights.
With how you portray branding, I translate that to mean all of those companies have failed with branding, making their product a necessity.
In this case I believe Filemaker has failed a big portion of their customers in another way. They think their product is necessary, and they believe the consumer level user will be forced to upgrade to Filemaker. They have basically said, "Either cough up a lot more money, or don't let the door catch you on the way out." They are trying to sell that they have offered the Bento user a up-grade path, but actually state on their FAQ reasons why it is not appropriate for the consumer level user not to upgrade to Filemaker. Have they not heard of Evernote, or other database apps that are on the market?
It is sad when a developer that Apple-users have loyally followed and supported for years, suddenly abandon those users. Another case in point is DataViz. They started with an app that made it possible to easily move and open a document from Windows to Mac OS, and vice versa. After some 10 years, it was no longer needed by most, they added other apps like Password Plus, which stored passwords and synced them to non-Apple devices. When the iPhone came out, it took them over 4 years to port it over to the iPhone. By that time I had moved on. Now they are owned by RIM, have reduced their product line to only 3 apps, 2 of which support Apple products. The platforms they support are OS X, iOS, Android, Windows, Blackberry and Symbian. But they do this poorly, because none of the 3 apps supports the full list of platforms, and some of those platforms hold only a small market share. I guess they can not see the market for their biggest product, Docs to Go, is rapidly being eaten up by other solutions, like Dropbox or Google Docs. They seem to be dying a death from a thousand cuts of not supporting their customers, backing the wrong horses, and lack of a completely new product to bolster their vintage product line. Or is it more like putting frog in a pot of cool water?
On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Rob Frankel wrote:
You could choose to simply not upgrade. That's what I've chosen to do.
After 20+ years of using Macs, I've realized that most upgrades -- be
it for operating systems or software performance -- usually aren't
worth the cost or effort. For example, Microsoft Word is a great
program, but most people barely use it for more than a word
processor. I think the popular figure is 5% of its features are
actually used by 90% of users.
Same thing with Bento, OSX, Photoshop, QuarkXpress and just about
every other upgrade package: Once you get off the Mac-driven frenzy
to constantly stay on the bleeding edge -- for no other reason than
to "stay current" -- you realize you can do quite nicely without
upgrading.
I'm on OSX 10.6.8 for good, because it's stable and the last system
that allows me to use the best e-mail program ever (Eudora) and saves
me thousands in upgrade dollars for products lie Quark and Photoshop,
among others.
Since 10.7 was introduced, I haven't seen ONE product or service that
was worth the cost, effort, or frustrations associated with upgrades.
If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the
"gotta have it" hamster wheel.
--
Rob Frankel
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thu Aug 1, 2013 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
This really belongs in Charles' thread "Truncated".
Glad you got your issue solved. And I agree, there is no reason to keep up with the Jones.
You do know, you really don't need Acrobat Reader, Preview will handle 90% of what you get from Reader, including fillable forms. At worst, you can add text over the appropriate areas, if it does not want to "fill".
Yeah, my dad got smarter as I got older, too.
Brent
On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Charles wrote:
On 8/1/13 9:35 AM, Rob Frankel wrote:
> You could choose to simply not upgrade. That's what I've chosen to do.
>
> After 20+ years of using Macs, I've realized that most upgrades -- be it
> for operating systems or software performance -- usually aren't worth the
> cost or effort. For example, Microsoft Word is a great program, but most
> people barely use it for more than a word processor. I think the popular
> figure is 5% of its features are actually used by 90% of users.
>
> Same thing with Bento, OSX, Photoshop, QuarkXpress and just about every
> other upgrade package: Once you get off the Mac-driven frenzy to
> constantly stay on the bleeding edge -- for no other reason than to "stay
> current" -- you realize you can do quite nicely without upgrading.
>
> I'm on OSX 10.6.8 for good, because it's stable and the last system that
> allows me to use the best e-mail program ever (Eudora) and saves me
> thousands in upgrade dollars for products lie Quark and Photoshop, among
> others.
>
> Since 10.7 was introduced, I haven't seen ONE product or service that was
> worth the cost, effort, or frustrations associated with upgrades.
>
> If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the "gotta
> have it" hamster wheel.
>
AMEN!!
I have followed advice and restored my MACPro BACK to v20 of Firefox and
gotten rid of most of the bugs. I have turned off the update toggles on all
the software I can find and that includes all the ADD ONs, etc
Adobe Acrobat reader etc v11 has been deleted and restored back to v9.5 or
whatever. that has greatly improved things. Turned off FLASH, etc
iow, strip it back down to about what it was when I bought it back in 2005.
I will stay with 10.6.8 until some far day in the future when I can afford a
"can" but until then, my MAC runs on Snow and my digital software ham radio
laptop (T-41 Intel) runs great on XP Pro SP3.
I refuse to buy into the planned obsolescence game of Apple, M$$, etc.
Mozilla FF 20 and TB 17 work on both platforms and I am going to start
stripping down all the Add Ons, Extensions, Appearances, etc. Kinda like my
old daddy used to say when I tried to get him into an Auto Tranny, electric
door locks, etc. The more unnecessary stuff on cars, guns, etc - the more
likely they are to break down. Damn but he was smart!
chas, Houston, k5dam
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Glad you got your issue solved. And I agree, there is no reason to keep up with the Jones.
You do know, you really don't need Acrobat Reader, Preview will handle 90% of what you get from Reader, including fillable forms. At worst, you can add text over the appropriate areas, if it does not want to "fill"
Yeah, my dad got smarter as I got older, too.
Brent
On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Charles wrote:
On 8/1/13 9:35 AM, Rob Frankel wrote:
> You could choose to simply not upgrade. That's what I've chosen to do.
>
> After 20+ years of using Macs, I've realized that most upgrades -- be it
> for operating systems or software performance -- usually aren't worth the
> cost or effort. For example, Microsoft Word is a great program, but most
> people barely use it for more than a word processor. I think the popular
> figure is 5% of its features are actually used by 90% of users.
>
> Same thing with Bento, OSX, Photoshop, QuarkXpress and just about every
> other upgrade package: Once you get off the Mac-driven frenzy to
> constantly stay on the bleeding edge -- for no other reason than to "stay
> current" -- you realize you can do quite nicely without upgrading.
>
> I'm on OSX 10.6.8 for good, because it's stable and the last system that
> allows me to use the best e-mail program ever (Eudora) and saves me
> thousands in upgrade dollars for products lie Quark and Photoshop, among
> others.
>
> Since 10.7 was introduced, I haven't seen ONE product or service that was
> worth the cost, effort, or frustrations associated with upgrades.
>
> If you like Bento, keep what you've got and use it. Get off the "gotta
> have it" hamster wheel.
>
AMEN!!
I have followed advice and restored my MACPro BACK to v20 of Firefox and
gotten rid of most of the bugs. I have turned off the update toggles on all
the software I can find and that includes all the ADD ONs, etc
Adobe Acrobat reader etc v11 has been deleted and restored back to v9.5 or
whatever. that has greatly improved things. Turned off FLASH, etc
iow, strip it back down to about what it was when I bought it back in 2005.
I will stay with 10.6.8 until some far day in the future when I can afford a
"can" but until then, my MAC runs on Snow and my digital software ham radio
laptop (T-41 Intel) runs great on XP Pro SP3.
I refuse to buy into the planned obsolescence game of Apple, M$$, etc.
Mozilla FF 20 and TB 17 work on both platforms and I am going to start
stripping down all the Add Ons, Extensions, Appearances, etc. Kinda like my
old daddy used to say when I tried to get him into an Auto Tranny, electric
door locks, etc. The more unnecessary stuff on cars, guns, etc - the more
likely they are to break down. Damn but he was smart!
chas, Houston, k5dam
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thu Aug 1, 2013 11:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Anna Larson" yovard@ymail.com
On July 31, 2013, at 17:44, Charles Carroll wrote:
> I am enjoying this dialog and will try Nissus as well as NeoOffice but as a
> high end MS Word user I agree with randy the high end (...) MS-Word has the edge with some
> first class highly mature features that a few macros or add-ins cannot
> catch up with unless your needs are very basic.
Coming originally from MS Word myself, I understand why you instinctively think of "few macros" that "cannot catch up". It gives me the creeps when I think of writing macros in Word. They seem to be just a few useless mini-commands. If one wants more, you need Visual Basic knowledge. Isn't that so?
Regarding NWP, I would go so far as to maintain, that the *core* and best part of the program are the macros. I have 205 macros, sorted in 76 different categories.
> (TOC, Indexes,
> Figures, References, Smart Art, WordArt)
Hmm, didn't I already say, that NWP can create as many TOCs and Indexes as you like? Both TOCs and Indexes are inbuilt features, you don't need any macros to create them. … Managing Figures (do you want tables of Figures?) is no problem either. Cross-references is an inbuilt feature too. If you mean citations and book titles when you say "References&qu
If I need SmartArt and WordArt, I just copy them from MS Word and use them in NWP. :-) I know, that may not be an acceptable way for many. :-)
SmartArt is all over the net, so for me this has never been a problem. Nisus Software seems to have set hopes in the LinkBack technology
<http://www.linkback
Regarding LinkBack, only these programs are of some interest to me personally:
• Circus Ponies NoteBook
• Curio
• EazyDraw
• Keynote (via plugin)
• LaTeXiT
• MacSQL
• NovaMind
• OmniGraffle
• OmniOutliner
• VoodooPad
Now back to the References. Can you download references from international libraries directly into the Reference part of MS Word? If not, then it's useless to me. I see my Word has APA, MLA, Chicago and Turabian. Can you easily add more bibliographic styles?
>
>
> At moment I edit high end/high feature docs in MS Word proper and my low to
> medium end ones in the cloud (Zoho.com) or NeoOffice and I will try Nissus
> as well to see what I think.
Send me a complex formatted Word document, and I will tell you if you can do it in NWP.
You don't have to worry about transmitting sensitive data; just use a Scramble macro to scramble the text. It makes the text illegible, but leaves all formatting in tact. If you don't have such a macro in Word, then use this one from Nisus as a model. Use a copy of the original document. The text in the new document will remain scrambled forever, you can't reverse it, so there is nothing to fear.
$doc = Document.active
$doc = $doc.copy
$doc.clearAndDisabl
Replace All 'ch','xn'
Replace All 'ea','np'
Replace All 'th','cv'
Replace All 'at','cp'
Replace All 'or','qh'
Replace All 'n','o'
Replace All 'a','f'
Replace All 'h','c'
Replace All 'c','y'
Replace All 'o','j'
Replace All 'p','e'
Replace All 'm','x'
Replace All 's','h'
#End of macro#
Anna
Thu Aug 1, 2013 12:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Anna Larson" yovard@ymail.com
On July 31, 2013, at 13:53, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> I'm afraid that while Nisus is a very nice mid-market word processor, it isn't as powerful are you claim that it is. For instance, your example of it being "easier to create a TOA in NWP than in MS Word" is just wishful thinking on your part.
There is no need to misquote me. I said "apparently&qu
> Yes, your link does show how you can use a kludge to approximate this capability in Nisus; that's not the same as using the feature built-in to Word.
Did I say it was the same? I certainly didn't. If you read the thread in the Nisus forum, you would also have understood that the person who described the procedure was NOT a regular Nisus user. His "explanation&q
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and ask Martin Wierschin how this is done. He will probably ask you a few questions regarding how you want the TOA to appear and work exactly.
> The same with document comparison.
What exactly is it that you want from a document comparison that NWP can't do? Tell me. Instead of just repeating false statements, please be specific.
You have to understand one thing. NWP is not a static entity, and asking a question like: "Does NWP have this or that feature?"
This is a bit like asking a good and versatile writer: "How many novels have you written about attorneys?" If he answers "None, but I can certainly write one for you, if you want"; is he then a bad writer?
> Wishing that Nisus was a high-end competitor to MS Word doesn't make it one.
You seem not to have understood what I was saying, so I will say it again. Nisus Writer Pro (I'm not talking about Nisus Writer Express) is the best choice for people who frequently need to edit, write and read text quickly, and have fun when they are doing it. I have been using MS Word since 1992, so I am fully aware of what I am saying. I started with Word 5.0 back in the old days, and now I'm having the latest version of Word for the Mac. I regularly receive drafts of dissertations from students, and they unfortunately all use Word for Windows. The first thing I always do is to convert the document and then edit it in NWP. It is MUCH easier and faster to edit it in Nisus than in Word.
I said also it's the best choice for people who like to *read* text. Let me explain. I have hundreds if not thousands of scholarly ePub documents that I need to read. I convert them first with Calibre to get the text. With just a few keystrokes I can clean up the whole document, format it, assign styles and levels so that I can quickly move around in the Navigator. Taking notes and making comments is easier than in Word. It's also fun, because with macros you can change all the comments to footnotes, export them or change them to inline comments and back again (if you want). You really have the *feeling*— and this is important—that you can do everything, absolutely everything you want with the text. Now you tell me, Randy: Why have I NEVER ever had this feeling when I am working with Word?
In case I forgot to make it clear: If people need to create and exchange business papers with charts, impressive layouts with multicolored tables, frames and whatnots, I recommend MS Word. If multilevel footnotes and fine tuning of styles and fonts are import, take a look at Mellel, but be aware that they never answer questions. They have web based contact mail system, but they don't reply. For the occasional writer whose priority is not text manipulation, but the production of short, nice looking documents, I recommend Pages.
> You won't find Nisus in hardly any serious business offices. However, it is a very nice processor for home/student use.
The fallacy here is obvious. Using the same argument structure, we could say: In "hardly any serious business offices" in Europe you will find Mac computers. They all use PCs. Ergo: Macs are nice for home/student use only.
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> As far as compatibility with Word documents, Nisus uses an open source Word translator that is, in fact, the same one used in all of the OpenOffice siblings. That translator is decent, but far from perfect.
I think you are repeating what I already said.
> If one's job relies on having Word documents render perfectly when opened and worked on, this translator can't be relied on to do that in every single case.
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This is exactly what I said. If people need exact conversion, they should have MS Word for the Mac. If the formatting is not too complex, it's easy to import the text and do the formatting manually in NWP. I do it all the time myself.
Anna
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Thu Aug 1, 2013 12:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Don" don.96705
I'm not that familiar with ODF but like the concept. Support for it by Microsoft is not good, will never be good.
I was a user of MS Windows when it was an add on for Dos 3.3 and Word shortly after that. No choice, my employer provided it and required its use. I later became a Novell certified CNE.
I was a member of the Microsoft NT Engineering Association in Silicone Valley for many years.
Everyone in the NTEA agreed. Microsoft claims it supports EVERY standard. But read the fine print. Microsoft supports THEIR version of the standard. Sooner or later you will find something that is incompatible between an industry standard and a MS standard with the same name. A large part of the problems with the introduction of HTML5 was that MS Explorer had proprietary extensions that were incompatible with the industry standard.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
Mac Pro [early 2009]
OS X 10.7.5
On Jul 31, 2013, at 04:55, T Hopkins wrote:
> The world seems to have moved solidly to ODF. Docx is related but not compliant. Direct support of ODF in and out of MS products is good.
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I was a user of MS Windows when it was an add on for Dos 3.3 and Word shortly after that. No choice, my employer provided it and required its use. I later became a Novell certified CNE.
I was a member of the Microsoft NT Engineering Association in Silicone Valley for many years.
Everyone in the NTEA agreed. Microsoft claims it supports EVERY standard. But read the fine print. Microsoft supports THEIR version of the standard. Sooner or later you will find something that is incompatible between an industry standard and a MS standard with the same name. A large part of the problems with the introduction of HTML5 was that MS Explorer had proprietary extensions that were incompatible with the industry standard.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
Mac Pro [early 2009]
OS X 10.7.5
On Jul 31, 2013, at 04:55, T Hopkins wrote:
> The world seems to have moved solidly to ODF. Docx is related but not compliant. Direct support of ODF in and out of MS products is good.
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Thu Aug 1, 2013 12:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Anna Larson" yovard@ymail.com
On July 31, 2013, at 16:55, T Hopkins wrote:
> While I love RTF and use it frequently in place of plain text, I would be a bit concerned about relying on it as a high-end word processing format. The world seems to have moved solidly to ODF.
NWP can save documents in ODF format, HTML, EPUB, XML and a few other formats including RTF for older applications via the Export menu command.
> I honestly don't know what RTF can and can't do.
It can create a lot of problems on the Mac. The Apple text engine can't display footnotes from RTF files. Pages is the only program that can create footnotes which can be correctly displayed by the Apple text engine.
Lets say, you want to import a document with footnotes into Macjournal, Growly notes, NoteBook from Circus Ponies, Together, EagleFiler, DEVONthink Pro Office and all the other programs that promise to be there for you to "store, edit and preview your files in a single clean, uncluttered interface"
DEVONthink Pro Office has solved this with a trick. They offer the possibility to *lock* the file in the database; so if you double click on the file in DEVONthink it will be automatically opened with the *original* application (NOT Apple's text engine) and all footnotes are preserved.
> TextEdit, by the way, supports both.
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Unfortunately not. Create a RTF document with footnotes, save it and then open it in TextEdit. Where are the footnotes? :-)
Anna
Thu Aug 1, 2013 7:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Anna Larson wrote:
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>> You won't find Nisus in hardly any serious business offices. However, it is a very nice processor for home/student use.
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> The fallacy here is obvious. Using the same argument structure, we could say: In "hardly any serious business offices" in Europe you will find Mac computers. They all use PCs. Ergo: Macs are nice for home/student use only.
It's not fallacious at all, and I base it on experience. For instance, I'm the head of a Mac user group (MUG) for Mac-using attorneys. We have well over 9,000 members. The overwhelming majority of these users use Microsoft Word to do their work. However, the overwhelming majority would also like to get completely away from Microsoft products. (That's why many of them are using Macs.) So, most of these Macs users (and, I believe, quite a few other Word users) are *actively* and *enthusiastically* looking for a reasonable substitute for Microsoft Word.
This contrasts with your example where Windows PC users in Europe aren't actively looking for a substitute for a Windows PC.
If Nisus was a reasonable substitute for MS Word for business users, users would be beating down Nisus' doors looking to switch. They aren't. The topic of Nisus as a possible Word substitute has come up many times on business-oriented Mac discussion lists that I'm on. It's been tried and rejected each time.
Once again, it's obvious that you are a zealous advocate for your preferred word processor...
Nisus might, as you say, make a nice second word processor. But I don't think that many folks want to pay for, and then learn to use two word processors, or have to deal with the peccadilloes associated with going back and forth.
Actually, I think that (easily) the number two word processor for the Macintosh is Pages. And from what I've heard, users really like it. However, Pages isn't really a substitute for Word for power users either.
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Thu Aug 1, 2013 2:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
Watching Flash videos on YouTube, I can at first press space or arrow keys which will pause or fast forward or rewind.
But after changing applications a few times these keyboard controls don't work any more.
If I reload the page the behavior returns as it was.
Any idea if this can be corrected so that it is always consistent? Or is that "just another Flash behavior" we live with?
It's Firefox 22.0
Thanks,
Dave
But after changing applications a few times these keyboard controls don't work any more.
If I reload the page the behavior returns as it was.
Any idea if this can be corrected so that it is always consistent? Or is that "just another Flash behavior" we live with?
It's Firefox 22.0
Thanks,
Dave
Thu Aug 1, 2013 3:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
Hi,
Sounds like just the usual flash nonsense to me. Recommend you try switching to using html5 video instead.
http://www.youtube.com/html5
Chris
On 1 Aug 2013, at 10:26 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Watching Flash videos on YouTube, I can at first press space or arrow keys which will pause or fast forward or rewind.
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> But after changing applications a few times these keyboard controls don't work any more.
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> If I reload the page the behavior returns as it was.
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> Any idea if this can be corrected so that it is always consistent? Or is that "just another Flash behavior" we live with?
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> It's Firefox 22.0
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> Thanks,
> Dave
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Sounds like just the usual flash nonsense to me. Recommend you try switching to using html5 video instead.
http://www.youtube.
Chris
On 1 Aug 2013, at 10:26 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.
> Watching Flash videos on YouTube, I can at first press space or arrow keys which will pause or fast forward or rewind.
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> But after changing applications a few times these keyboard controls don't work any more.
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> If I reload the page the behavior returns as it was.
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> Any idea if this can be corrected so that it is always consistent? Or is that "just another Flash behavior" we live with?
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> It's Firefox 22.0
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> Thanks,
> Dave
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Thu Aug 1, 2013 7:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"fussyoldfart" fussyoldfart
I recently switched providers and now mail at the new address provided by the new ISP comes in to Outlook as web mail. I want it to arrive in my Mail Inbox with all the other mail such as gmail and yahoo messages. It actually did this for a few days after the switch but then I "signed in" to Outlook and now I have to use Safari to get my email.
With my other provider my personal mail always arrived in "Mail" as well as my gmail.
I went to the help section in Mail and followed the instructions to have it delivered there but that didn't work. Outlook seems to have taken control. It is possible I have misread the help instructions but they seemed clear enough. I do know that I did nothing intentional to commit to using Outlook and I don't like using it just because it is not Mail and I can't save important messages to my hard drive, they seem to reside on the net.
Darrell McDonald
With my other provider my personal mail always arrived in "Mail" as well as my gmail.
I went to the help section in Mail and followed the instructions to have it delivered there but that didn't work. Outlook seems to have taken control. It is possible I have misread the help instructions but they seemed clear enough. I do know that I did nothing intentional to commit to using Outlook and I don't like using it just because it is not Mail and I can't save important messages to my hard drive, they seem to reside on the net.
Darrell McDonald
Thu Aug 1, 2013 7:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog
Someone told me that Mackeeper isn't good at all and creates problems. I heard that CleanMyMac2 is good so downloaded the trial version, not knowing it would only do so much until I purchase it. Is this one good and should I go ahead and buy it? The price I was given was $39.99 or something like that. $40ish.
I have a Mac Mini that I bought new in the spring of 2012. It was fast as lightening for a while but now I all too often see that spinning wheel when I try to access websites and I can't stand sitting and waiting. Would this program stop that from happening?
Louise
I have a Mac Mini that I bought new in the spring of 2012. It was fast as lightening for a while but now I all too often see that spinning wheel when I try to access websites and I can't stand sitting and waiting. Would this program stop that from happening?
Louise
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