I just looked at the site http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html. It says the instructions are for up to OS10.6. Mine is 10.7.5. Can I still use this? I'd guess not?

On Aug 2, 2013, at 12:20 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:

> MacKeeper is not just not good it is bad. And avoid the other Mac cleaner apps.
>
> If you want to do maintenance, then follow the instructions on Randy's site.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Louise Stewart wrote:
>
> Someone told me that Mackeeper isn't good at all and creates problems. I heard that CleanMyMac2 is good so downloaded the trial version, not knowing it would only do so much until I purchase it. Is this one good and should I go ahead and buy it? The price I was given was $39.99 or something like that. $40ish.
>
> I have a Mac Mini that I bought new in the spring of 2012. It was fast as lightening for a while but now I all too often see that spinning wheel when I try to access websites and I can't stand sitting and waiting. Would this program stop that from happening?
>
> Louise
>
>
>
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Re: Which Mac cleanup program?

Fri Aug 2, 2013 8:14 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Pat Osborne" pako98_2000

Louise Stewart <mailto:veggie236@earthlink.net>
August 2, 2013 9:59 AM
> I just looked at the site http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html. It says
> the instructions are for up to OS10.6. Mine is 10.7.5. Can I still use
> this?
Yes, you can use Randy's instructions. Just do NOT attempt to defrag an
SSD; if you need to ask what that is, you likely don't have one. As
Randy said last night, "I haven't updated the site in a while. But the
only important update for Lion and Mt. Lion is that you should never,
ever, defragment a solid state hard drive (SSD) or a hybrid drive."
> I'd guess not?
You'd guess wrong then.
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Re: Which Mac cleanup program?

Fri Aug 2, 2013 11:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog

Thanks. I'll go back to the site. I'm REALLY, REALLY not the LEAST bit technical, so never heard of an SSD and even with your mention of what it is, I have no idea if I have one -- or a hybrid drive. I'm guessing maybe a hybrid drive is one didn't come with the Mac?

How can I find out so I don't mess up things when I attempt to use the site? And is it a really easy, hold my hand sort of thing to do?

And BTW, why are the clean-it-up things online not any good?

On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Pat Osborne wrote:

> Louise Stewart <mailto:veggie236@earthlink.net>
> August 2, 2013 9:59 AM
> > I just looked at the site http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html. It says
> > the instructions are for up to OS10.6. Mine is 10.7.5. Can I still use
> > this?
> Yes, you can use Randy's instructions. Just do NOT attempt to defrag an
> SSD; if you need to ask what that is, you likely don't have one. As
> Randy said last night, "I haven't updated the site in a while. But the
> only important update for Lion and Mt. Lion is that you should never,
> ever, defragment a solid state hard drive (SSD) or a hybrid drive."
> > I'd guess not?
> You'd guess wrong then.
> --
> Pat
>
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Re: Which Mac cleanup program?

Fri Aug 2, 2013 12:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Pat Osborne" pako98_2000

Louise Stewart <mailto:veggie236@earthlink.net>
August 2, 2013 1:22 PM
> ...I'm REALLY, REALLY not the LEAST bit technical, so never heard of
> an SSD...
But, now you have heard of it!!
> ...I have no idea if I have one...
These are a relatively new inclusion to Macs; I'd guess you do not have one!
> -- or a hybrid drive.
Hybrid combines SSD and standard hard drive (with platters) to provide
fast boot time with plenty of storage.
> How can I find out so I don't mess up things when I attempt to use the
> site?
You won't mess anything up since you won't do ANY defragging!! Just
follow Randy's other suggestions!
> And is it a really easy, hold my hand sort of thing to do?
Randy's instructions are straightforward! The more you do the more
confident you'll become!
> And BTW, why are the clean-it-up things online not any good?
I'll let someone else address that but I believe it!
You can always double-check with the group if you anticipate problems!!
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Re: Which Mac cleanup program?

Fri Aug 2, 2013 1:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz

SSD is a solid state drive. Simplistically it is a hard drive that has its storage on memory chips, whereas a normal hard drive uses a spinning platter.
SSD is much faster

Hybrid drive is a normal hard drive with spinning platter, but also including a small SSD, used I think mainly for caching. (storing where you have been recently or files you have used) If you hibernated, the hibernation file is kept on SSD so it will wake up fast. Recently used files will be on SSD so if you use them again they will load fast. Hybrid is cheaper, has high speed aspects, but also retains the high GB storage of the normal drives

Hope that helps

________________________________
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To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Which Mac cleanup program?

Thanks. I'll go back to the site. I'm REALLY, REALLY not the LEAST bit technical, so never heard of an SSD and even with your mention of what it is, I have no idea if I have one -- or a hybrid drive. I'm guessing maybe a hybrid drive is one didn't come with the Mac?

How can I find out so I don't mess up things when I attempt to use the site? And is it a really easy, hold my hand sort of thing to do?

And BTW, why are the clean-it-up things online not any good?

On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Pat Osborne wrote:

> Louise Stewart <mailto:veggie236@earthlink.net>
> August 2, 2013 9:59 AM
> > I just looked at the site http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html. It says
> > the instructions are for up to OS10.6. Mine is 10.7.5. Can I still use
> > this?
> Yes, you can use Randy's instructions. Just do NOT attempt to defrag an
> SSD; if you need to ask what that is, you likely don't have one. As
> Randy said last night, "I haven't updated the site in a while. But the
> only important update for Lion and Mt. Lion is that you should never,
> ever, defragment a solid state hard drive (SSD) or a hybrid drive."
> > I'd guess not?
> You'd guess wrong then.
> --
> Pat
>
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Re: Which Mac cleanup program?

Fri Aug 2, 2013 5:27 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger

On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Louise Stewart wrote:

> I just looked at the site http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html. It says the instructions are for up to OS10.6. Mine is 10.7.5. Can I still use this? I'd guess not?

Yes, you can. As I stated in my last post:

"I haven't updated the site in a while. But the only important update for Lion and Mt. Lion is that you should never, ever, defragment a solid state hard drive (SSD) or a hybrid drive."

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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Re: Which Mac cleanup program?

Fri Aug 2, 2013 9:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Earle Jones" earlejones501

On Aug 2, 13, at 5:27 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

>
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Louise Stewart wrote:
>
> > I just looked at the site http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html. It says the instructions are for up to OS10.6. Mine is 10.7.5. Can I still use this? I'd guess not?
>
> Yes, you can. As I stated in my last post:
>
> "I haven't updated the site in a while. But the only important update for Lion and Mt. Lion is that you should never, ever, defragment a solid state hard drive (SSD) or a hybrid drive."
>
*
>
Randy (and others):

What is the basic difference in defragmenting a hard drive (disk) and a solid-state drive (SSD)? Why the no-no with SSD?

Thanks!

earle
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Re: Which Mac cleanup program?

Fri Aug 2, 2013 9:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Quick down and dirty, the reason you defrag a HD is to minimize distance between portions of a file, and to keep the movement of the read/write arm to a minimum, and minimize the possibility of the arm crashing into the plate . A SSD there is no read/write arm movement because there is no arm, but there are a limited number of rewrites that the components that make up the SSD. Use up the rewrites and there is no more. Since there is no arm movement, there is no speed gain or loss if the data is fragmented.

Brent

On Aug 2, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Earle Jones wrote:

On Aug 2, 13, at 5:27 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

>
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Louise Stewart wrote:
>
> > I just looked at the site http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html. It says the instructions are for up to OS10.6. Mine is 10.7.5. Can I still use this? I'd guess not?
>
> Yes, you can. As I stated in my last post:
>
> "I haven't updated the site in a while. But the only important update for Lion and Mt. Lion is that you should never, ever, defragment a solid state hard drive (SSD) or a hybrid drive."
>
*
>
Randy (and others):

What is the basic difference in defragmenting a hard drive (disk) and a solid-state drive (SSD)? Why the no-no with SSD?

Thanks!

earle

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Re: Which Mac cleanup program?

Sat Aug 3, 2013 4:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger

On Aug 2, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Earle Jones wrote:

> What is the basic difference in defragmenting a hard drive (disk) and a solid-state drive (SSD)? Why the no-no with SSD?

The big difference is that a rotating disk hard drive is a sequential access device (similar to a vinyl record player), while a solid state hard drive is a random access device (similar to a stick of RAM). Fragmentation makes no difference in a random access device, as things are all accessed more or less instantaneously no matter where the data is located.

Also, since an SSD has a limited number of read/write cycles, theoretically you are limiting it's life span by defragmenting the data on it. In practice, though, modern SSD's offer so many read/write cycles, that this isn't really a concern.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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Suggestion for the less technically skilled members of the list.

Fri Aug 2, 2013 1:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Help us, help you.

Please include the minimum following information when you post a question: your exact model, & what OS you are running. Then include any other pertinent information such, if the question is about software, the correct software name and version that you are running. If it is related to how your Mac is working with another piece of hardware, the name and exact model.

You only need to gather that information once, if you keep a cheat sheet of it somewhere. We'll be glad to help you identify the exact models, IF, you would recite it back when ever you have a question. It is no fun having to go back a dozen posts, or three or four threads to dig up this information.

Some groups suggest that you create a signature that includes this info. See and example below. Another way is to keep a simple TextEdit doc of the information and copy and paste it into a new request for help to the list. There are several hundred active members on this list, and there is no way we can each remember what all of the others have.

Below is an example. I am not picking on the OP, just using it as example. Nowhere in that thread did she describe her Mac.

---
On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:22 AM, a list member wrote:

Thanks. I'll go back to the site. I'm REALLY, REALLY not the LEAST bit technical, so never heard of an SSD and even with your mention of what it is, I have no idea if I have one -- or a hybrid drive. I'm guessing maybe a hybrid drive is one didn't come with the Mac?

How can I find out so I don't mess up things when I attempt to use the site? And is it a really easy, hold my hand sort of thing to do?
---

I dug back several threads, and found out she has an old G4, but that is not the Mac she is currently talking about. Some more digging, and I find she is running 10.7.5, but is this on this other Mac? She does have at least 2 Macs, could she have 3?

Then I find, "I have a Mac Mini that I bought new in the spring of 2012." Ah, a solid clue. Until I find there was no early 2012 Mac mini. There were two models releases "Macmini5,1 (2.3 GHz)" and "Macmini5,2 (2.5 or 2.7 GHz)", released in Mid 2011, but I have no clue as to which she has. The next was released Late 2012.

AND IMPORTANT TO THE THREAD ABOVE, you could order with a built-to-order options of a SSD or both a HD and SSD, but not the hybrid Fusion drive. Most Mac owners with built-to-order Macs, know they have one. So if the OP has one she would know, and she said she bought it new, and not used. She can double check that by running System Information. Which, BTW, is where she can find the speed and/or model identifier of her Mac mini, Macmini5,1 (2.3 GHz) or Macmini5,2 (2.5 or 2.7 GHz).

So now you can see how much work some of us go through to try to help you with your issues. Please include this information to make it easier on us, and faster for you to get good help from the list.

Brent

15" MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz, early 2008, Mac OS X 10.7.5
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Re: Suggestion for the less technically skilled members of the list.

Fri Aug 2, 2013 7:13 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog

So is this what you'd need? Less or more?

OS 10.7.5 (11G63b)
Mac mini -- Mid 2011
2GB 1333 MHz DDR3
Intel HD Graphics 3000 288 MB

Model Name: Mac mini
Model Identifier: Macmini5,1
Processor Name: Intel Core i5
Processor Speed: 2.3 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Boot ROM Version: MM51.0077.B10
SMC Version (system): 1.76f0

On Aug 2, 2013, at 4:15 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:

> Help us, help you.
>
> Please include the minimum following information when you post a question: your exact model, & what OS you are running. Then include any other pertinent information such, if the question is about software, the correct software name and version that you are running. If it is related to how your Mac is working with another piece of hardware, the name and exact model.
>
> You only need to gather that information once, if you keep a cheat sheet of it somewhere. We'll be glad to help you identify the exact models, IF, you would recite it back when ever you have a question. It is no fun having to go back a dozen posts, or three or four threads to dig up this information.
>
> Some groups suggest that you create a signature that includes this info. See and example below. Another way is to keep a simple TextEdit doc of the information and copy and paste it into a new request for help to the list. There are several hundred active members on this list, and there is no way we can each remember what all of the others have.
>
> Below is an example. I am not picking on the OP, just using it as example. Nowhere in that thread did she describe her Mac.
>
> ---
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:22 AM, a list member wrote:
>
> Thanks. I'll go back to the site. I'm REALLY, REALLY not the LEAST bit technical, so never heard of an SSD and even with your mention of what it is, I have no idea if I have one -- or a hybrid drive. I'm guessing maybe a hybrid drive is one didn't come with the Mac?
>
> How can I find out so I don't mess up things when I attempt to use the site? And is it a really easy, hold my hand sort of thing to do?
> ---
>
> I dug back several threads, and found out she has an old G4, but that is not the Mac she is currently talking about. Some more digging, and I find she is running 10.7.5, but is this on this other Mac? She does have at least 2 Macs, could she have 3?
>
> Then I find, "I have a Mac Mini that I bought new in the spring of 2012." Ah, a solid clue. Until I find there was no early 2012 Mac mini. There were two models releases "Macmini5,1 (2.3 GHz)" and "Macmini5,2 (2.5 or 2.7 GHz)", released in Mid 2011, but I have no clue as to which she has. The next was released Late 2012.
>
> AND IMPORTANT TO THE THREAD ABOVE, you could order with a built-to-order options of a SSD or both a HD and SSD, but not the hybrid Fusion drive. Most Mac owners with built-to-order Macs, know they have one. So if the OP has one she would know, and she said she bought it new, and not used. She can double check that by running System Information. Which, BTW, is where she can find the speed and/or model identifier of her Mac mini, Macmini5,1 (2.3 GHz) or Macmini5,2 (2.5 or 2.7 GHz).
>
> So now you can see how much work some of us go through to try to help you with your issues. Please include this information to make it easier on us, and faster for you to get good help from the list.
>
> Brent
>
> 15" MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz, early 2008, Mac OS X 10.7.5
> iPhone 4S, iOS 6.1.3
>

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Re: Suggestion for the less technically skilled members of the list.

Fri Aug 2, 2013 9:09 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Charles Lenington" fooltouse2

On 8/2/13 21:13 PM, Louise Stewart wrote:
> OS 10.7.5 (11G63b)
> Mac mini -- Mid 2011
> 2GB 1333 MHz DDR3
> Intel HD Graphics 3000 288 MB
>
> Model Name: Mac mini
> Model Identifier: Macmini5,1

yes, but shorten to

Mac mini 5,1; Intel Core i5, 2.3 GHz; 10.7.5 (11G63b) Mid 2011; 2GB;
Intel HD Graphics 3000 288 MB; xxx g (gig) or t (terabyte) HD

Some people put this in signature file. Of course this works best if
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Re: Suggestion for the less technically skilled members of the list.

Fri Aug 2, 2013 10:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Louise, you gathered up the information very well.

How Charles has shortened it is very acceptable. Here is a another:

mid-2011 Mac mini (5,1) 2.3 GHz, 2GB RAM, 500GB HD, 10.7.5,
Intel HD Graphics 3000

Some times the model identifier is used over several model years, but not much any more. RAM and HD sizes, and graphics card usually are not needed, but don't hurt. We do need to know which version of OS X, especially with people currently using everything from 10.4 on.
The portion behind the version of OS X 10.7.5 is the build number (11G63b), unless you are talking about beta testing, we don't need it.

Brent

On Aug 2, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Charles Lenington wrote:

On 8/2/13 21:13 PM, Louise Stewart wrote:
> OS 10.7.5 (11G63b)
> Mac mini -- Mid 2011
> 2GB 1333 MHz DDR3
> Intel HD Graphics 3000 288 MB
>
> Model Name: Mac mini
> Model Identifier: Macmini5,1

yes, but shorten to

Mac mini 5,1; Intel Core i5, 2.3 GHz; 10.7.5 (11G63b) Mid 2011; 2GB;
Intel HD Graphics 3000 288 MB; xxx g (gig) or t (terabyte) HD

Some people put this in signature file. Of course this works best if
address only used for lists.

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Re: Bento Discontinued

Fri Aug 2, 2013 1:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Randy,

That looks like a nice alternative. I will have to check into it more.

Otto,

I have one issue with Open Office, it is reliant on Java, and I am trying to avoid apps that need Java.

Just my personal choice. But I believe it is the directions Apple is heading, when the smoke clears in my crystal ball.

Brent

On Aug 2, 2013, at 4:10 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

On 2 August 2013 09:57, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

>
> Check out:
>
> TapForms ($25)
>
> Seems to do about much of what Bento did, iCloud sync, imports Bento data.
>
>
> http://www.bentousers.com/20130510-meet-tap-forms-a-worthy-bento-competitor/
>
> http://www.tapforms.com/
>
> Screenshot:
> <
> http://www.tapforms.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screen-Shot-2013-02-25-at-11.09.19-PM-1024x640.png
> >
>

Has anyone mentioned that the various Open Office suites include a database
app? Can that import from Bento, either directly or via an intermediate
format?

Otto

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Re: Getting rid of Outlook

Fri Aug 2, 2013 8:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Denver Dan" denverdan22180

Howdy.

Darrell, launch Apple's Mail program.

Open Mail>Preferences.

Click the General icon on Toolbar in Preferences (if not already
clicked).

Note the very first item named Default email reader.

What program is it set to?

You should be able to set it to Mail to make Mail your default email
program.

Sometimes other email program may configure themselves as the default
email program.

BTW, same thing is available in Apple's Safari to set the default web
browser program.

Denver Dan

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 02:04:39 +0000, fussyoldfart wrote:
> I recently switched providers and now mail at the new address
> provided by the new ISP comes in to Outlook as web mail. I want it to
> arrive in my Mail Inbox with all the other mail such as gmail and
> yahoo messages. It actually did this for a few days after the switch
> but then I "signed in" to Outlook and now I have to use Safari to get
> my email.
>
> With my other provider my personal mail always arrived in "Mail" as
> well as my gmail.
>
> I went to the help section in Mail and followed the instructions to
> have it delivered there but that didn't work. Outlook seems to have
> taken control. It is possible I have misread the help instructions
> but they seemed clear enough. I do know that I did nothing
> intentional to commit to using Outlook and I don't like using it just
> because it is not Mail and I can't save important messages to my hard
> drive, they seem to reside on the net.
>
> Darrell McDonald