3/03/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8770

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1a.

Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "fussyoldfart" fussyoldfart@gmail.com   fussyoldfart

Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:49 am (PST)



I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I value the opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy currently about the changes Google has made to their privacy policy. Some say it threatens privacy, others say it makes no difference. Having been brought to our attention, has privacy been compromised already? Personally, my attempts to gently disentangle myself are proving difficult but I have a lot invested in my gmail address. What do members think one should do?

Darrell McDonald

1b.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Fri Mar 2, 2012 1:32 pm (PST)



> I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I value the opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy currently about the changes Google has made to their privacy policy. Some say it threatens privacy, others say it makes no difference. Having been brought to our attention, has privacy been compromised already? Personally, my attempts to gently disentangle myself are proving difficult but I have a lot invested in my gmail address. What do members think one should do?
> Darrell McDonald

I have switched to doing 90% of my searches, on my laptop, using DuckDuckGo or LXQuick, neither of which do any tracking.

I'm phasing over to DuckDuckGo on my iPhone and iPad.

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1c.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Joan Auclair" jauclair@snet.net   typist37

Fri Mar 2, 2012 1:41 pm (PST)



How do you add a new search engine on the iPhone?

On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:

> > I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I
> value the opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy
> currently about the changes Google has made to their privacy policy.
> Some say it threatens privacy, others say it makes no difference.
> Having been brought to our attention, has privacy been compromised
> already? Personally, my attempts to gently disentangle myself are
> proving difficult but I have a lot invested in my gmail address.
> What do members think one should do?
> > Darrell McDonald
>
> I have switched to doing 90% of my searches, on my laptop, using
> DuckDuckGo or LXQuick, neither of which do any tracking.
>
> I'm phasing over to DuckDuckGo on my iPhone and iPad.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>
>

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1d.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Fri Mar 2, 2012 1:46 pm (PST)



> How do you add a new search engine on the iPhone?

I know of no way to modify Safari to do searches with any but the choices in Settings.

But there is an App for DuckDuckGo in the App Store.

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1e.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Joan Auclair" jauclair@snet.net   typist37

Fri Mar 2, 2012 2:10 pm (PST)



Thanks.

On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:

> > How do you add a new search engine on the iPhone?
>
> I know of no way to modify Safari to do searches with any but the
> choices in Settings.
>
> But there is an App for DuckDuckGo in the App Store.
>
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> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>
>

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Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "fussyoldfart" fussyoldfart@gmail.com   fussyoldfart

Fri Mar 2, 2012 2:11 pm (PST)



I have been playing with duckduckgo a little bit. The only way I can see to keep it handy is to put a bookmark in the bar at the top of the page. Although I made it my home page it doesn't seem to come up when I want it. Safari always opens in "Top Sites"

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@...> wrote:
>
> > How do you add a new search engine on the iPhone?
>
> I know of no way to modify Safari to do searches with any but the choices in Settings.
>
> But there is an App for DuckDuckGo in the App Store.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@...
>

1g.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Fri Mar 2, 2012 2:25 pm (PST)



> I have been playing with duckduckgo a little bit. The only way I can see to keep it handy is to put a bookmark in the bar at the top of the page. Although I made it my home page it doesn't seem to come up when I want it. Safari always opens in "Top Sites"

Under MacOS X, you have to install Glims. Then you can add and modify the search bar in Safari.

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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

1h.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "OBrien" bco@hiwaay.net   conorboru

Fri Mar 2, 2012 2:28 pm (PST)



On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:32:19 -0500, Jim Saklad wrote:
> I have switched to doing 90% of my searches, on my laptop, using
> DuckDuckGo or LXQuick.....

I've used IxQuick (is that what you meant?) for a long time. StartPage (same company as IxQuick) is a little different, but also doesn't track...see there website to learn the difference between the two. I just heard of DDG, and have used it a couple of times. I never use Google, or anything else.


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1i.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Earle Jones" earle.jones@comcast.net   earlejones501

Fri Mar 2, 2012 2:31 pm (PST)




On Mar 2, 12, at 1:32 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:

> > I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I value the opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy currently about the changes Google has made to their privacy policy. Some say it threatens privacy, others say it makes no difference. Having been brought to our attention, has privacy been compromised already? Personally, my attempts to gently disentangle myself are proving difficult but I have a lot invested in my gmail address. What do members think one should do?

*
My friend, Kurt Opsahl, Attorney for the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation), is against Google's new policy.

Therefore, I'm against it.

earle
*
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1j.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen@earthlink.net   dougyelmen

Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:04 pm (PST)



agreed.
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

Keeping an open mind is a virtue,
but not so open that your brains fall out.
— James Oberg

On Mar 2, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Earle Jones wrote:

>
> On Mar 2, 12, at 1:32 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>>> I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I value the opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy currently about the changes Google has made to their privacy policy. Some say it threatens privacy, others say it makes no difference. Having been brought to our attention, has privacy been compromised already? Personally, my attempts to gently disentangle myself are proving difficult but I have a lot invested in my gmail address. What do members think one should do?
>
> *
> My friend, Kurt Opsahl, Attorney for the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation), is against Google's new policy.
>
> Therefore, I'm against it.
>
> earle
> *
> _______________________
> Earle Jones 鵃�br> > 501 Portola Road #8008
> Portola Valley CA 94028
> Home: 650-424-4362
> Cell: 650-269-0035
> earle.jones@comcast.net
>
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Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen@earthlink.net   dougyelmen

Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:09 pm (PST)



Thanks, Jim. I just switched over. still using Chrome (for now?).
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

Keeping an open mind is a virtue,
but not so open that your brains fall out.
�James Oberg

On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:

>> I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I value the opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy currently about the changes Google has made to their privacy policy. Some say it threatens privacy, others say it makes no difference. Having been brought to our attention, has privacy been compromised already? Personally, my attempts to gently disentangle myself are proving difficult but I have a lot invested in my gmail address. What do members think one should do?
>> Darrell McDonald
>
> I have switched to doing 90% of my searches, on my laptop, using DuckDuckGo or LXQuick, neither of which do any tracking.
>
> I'm phasing over to DuckDuckGo on my iPhone and iPad.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>

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1l.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen@earthlink.net   dougyelmen

Fri Mar 2, 2012 3:10 pm (PST)



Thanks, Darrell. Made for an interesting conversation. I switched over to DuckDuckGo.

doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

Keeping an open mind is a virtue,
but not so open that your brains fall out.
�James Oberg

On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:49 AM, fussyoldfart wrote:

> I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I value the opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy currently about the changes Google has made to their privacy policy. Some say it threatens privacy, others say it makes no difference. Having been brought to our attention, has privacy been compromised already? Personally, my attempts to gently disentangle myself are proving difficult but I have a lot invested in my gmail address. What do members think one should do?
>
> Darrell McDonald
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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1m.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "John Richardson" richards@spawar.navy.mil

Fri Mar 2, 2012 4:07 pm (PST)



Hello,

FYI: since the thread focused on search I felt like adding Geography.

I have noticed that Google Maps has higher resolution [ortho and perspective
projection in certain metro areas] than Bing.

So, currently, features that make it easy to save locations and other
metadata require that the individual provide extensive data to Google.

However, Google maps is still completely usable. I just have to keep a list
of addresses, lat/lon, start/end and other items in a word file or iWork.

John F. Richardson

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[mailto:macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Saklad
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:32 PM
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

> I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I value the
opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy currently about
the changes Google has made to their privacy policy. Some say it threatens
privacy, others say it makes no difference. Having been brought to our
attention, has privacy been compromised already? Personally, my attempts to
gently disentangle myself are proving difficult but I have a lot invested in
my gmail address. What do members think one should do?
> Darrell McDonald

I have switched to doing 90% of my searches, on my laptop, using DuckDuckGo
or LXQuick, neither of which do any tracking.

I'm phasing over to DuckDuckGo on my iPhone and iPad.

--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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1n.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Fri Mar 2, 2012 4:16 pm (PST)



>> I have switched to doing 90% of my searches, on my laptop, using DuckDuckGo or LXQuick.....
>
> I've used IxQuick (is that what you meant?)

Yep. Typo.

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1o.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:12 pm (PST)



>I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I value
>the opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy
>currently about the changes Google has made to their privacy policy.
>Some say it threatens privacy, others say it makes no difference.
>Having been brought to our attention, has privacy been compromised
>already? Personally, my attempts to gently disentangle myself are
>proving difficult but I have a lot invested in my gmail address.
>What do members think one should do?
>
>Darrell McDonald

Here's a primer on what Google search does with the data from
tracking your searches:

<http://donttrack.us/>

You decide whether or not it's a Good Thing.

Dave

1p.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Bob Cook" cookrd1@discoveryowners.com   cookrd1

Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:59 pm (PST)



And how is this different than what Apple or MS does?

EFF has determined that you can be uniquely identified 97% of the time just
based on your computer configuration.

Google didn't do anything different from anyone else re Safari. Apple just
trying to keep its failing iAd going.

Bob
On Mar 2, 2012 10:12 PM, "DaveC" <davec2468@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> >I hope this is not considered too far off topic here because I value
> >the opinions of the people in this group. There is controversy
> >currently about the changes Google has made to their privacy policy.
> >Some say it threatens privacy, others say it makes no difference.
> >Having been brought to our attention, has privacy been compromised
> >already? Personally, my attempts to gently disentangle myself are
> >proving difficult but I have a lot invested in my gmail address.
> >What do members think one should do?
> >
> >Darrell McDonald
>
> Here's a primer on what Google search does with the data from
> tracking your searches:
>
> <http://donttrack.us/>
>
> You decide whether or not it's a Good Thing.
>
> Dave
>
>

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1q.

Re: Google/Privacy Should we be worried?

Posted by: "Paul Smith" kullervo@nycap.rr.com   waldonny

Sat Mar 3, 2012 1:24 am (PST)




On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Bob Cook <cookrd1@discoveryowners.com> wrote:

> Google didn't do anything different from anyone else re Safari. Apple just
> trying to keep its failing iAd going.
>

Nonsense! Google lied to Safari users by claiming to abide by "Do not track" settings while actively subverting Apple's privacy-protecting settings.
And to claim that Apple is orchestrating the actions of the various privacy advocates, governmental agencies and other corporations (including Microsoft) that have found fault with Google's actions, all just to benefit iAd? Seriously?
You sound like Eric Schmidt with his delusional predictions of imminent Android hegemony.

Sent from my iPhone 4S

2a.

WiFi Devices

Posted by: "pat412255" pat412@mac.com   pat412255

Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:26 pm (PST)



Can anyone give me a recommendation for a device to provide WiFi while traveling? I've seen advertisements for devices such as the MiFi, but am uncertain as to whether there is a preferred device &/or carrier for Macs. I am totally clueless on the subject!

2b.

Re: WiFi Devices

Posted by: "Curby Keith" clkeith50@yahoo.com   clkeith50

Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:53 pm (PST)



I use the Virgin Mobile MiFi which operates on the Sprint network. No contract and $50/month for unlimited (but throttled) service for up to 5 computers. It's worked well for my wife when she visits her daughter.

Curby
Del City, OK

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> From: pat412255 <pat412@mac.com>
>To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 7:26 PM
>Subject: [macsupport] WiFi Devices
>
>
>�
>Can anyone give me a recommendation for a device to provide WiFi while traveling? I've seen advertisements for devices such as the MiFi, but am uncertain as to whether there is a preferred device &/or carrier for Macs. I am totally clueless on the subject!
>
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2c.

Re: WiFi Devices

Posted by: "Bob Cook" cookrd1@discoveryowners.com   cookrd1

Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:01 pm (PST)



I use my Android LTE phone on Verizon ($30/month) AND my Virgin Optimus V
($0/month) to tether. I am grandfathered unlimited on Vz, Virgin says they
are switching to throttled after 2.5GB starting March 19, but they only
slow you down to 256K. My iPhone was on ATT. Although I was grandfathered
for unlimited, they throttled to the point it was unusable, so I dumped
them. I hardly ever used my iPhone after I got the Android phone anyway.
BTW, no contract required for tethering with Vz, you may incur a two year
contract with a MIFI.

If you have a smartphone, a MIFI device is just another device you don't
need to carry or pay for.

-Bob

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:26 PM, pat412255 <pat412@mac.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Can anyone give me a recommendation for a device to provide WiFi while
> traveling? I've seen advertisements for devices such as the MiFi, but am
> uncertain as to whether there is a preferred device &/or carrier for Macs.
> I am totally clueless on the subject!
>
>
>

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3a.

Re: Preview problems

Posted by: "jayant m" jmurthy@yahoo.com   jmurthy

Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:17 pm (PST)





--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@...> wrote:
>
> >> I would not want to be shifting stuff in the Music folder, Library folder, or a few other folders, since that could cause problems for the applications that "know" of those locations.
> >> Denver Dan
> >
> > I had the habit, from OS/2 days, of strictly organizing my folders, including programs, music and so on. After running into some gotchas, I decided to always use the system default and, where necessary, use aliases to organize my way.
> > Jayant
>
> I was going to say, "I hesitate to point out the obvious..." but in fact I relish doing just that:
>
> MacOS X is not OS/2.
> Screwing around with the built-in file structure accomplishes what screwing around often does: getting all f***'d up.
>
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> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@...
>

The big advantage is that all files related to an application can be put in a single file. No need to worry about having to track down files in different locations. There are actually times when flexibility is not a bad option.

Jayant

4.

The Magic Mouse

Posted by: "Michael Moloney" moloney.icloud@gmail.com   moloney_mj

Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:56 pm (PST)



Hi there,

I recently purchased an iMac computer.

I am currently having an issue with the magic mouse which is when I boot-up my iMac, it is sometimes taking up to 30 minutes for the magic mouse bluetooth settings to 'connect'.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Michael Moloney
moloney.icloud@gmail.com

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