Messages In This Digest (20 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Another term question From: Jon Kreisler
- 1b.
- Re: Another term question From: Marc Reavis
- 1c.
- Re: Another term question From: OldTechie
- 1d.
- Re: Another term question From: Jon Kreisler
- 1e.
- Re: Another term question From: Marc Reavis
- 1f.
- Re: Another term question From: OldTechie
- 1g.
- Re: Another term question From: Otto Nikolaus
- 1h.
- Re: Another term question From: Otto Nikolaus
- 1i.
- Re: Another term question From: OldTechie
- 1j.
- Re: Another term question From: N.A. Nada
- 1k.
- Re: Another term question From: paul smith
- 1l.
- Re: Another term question From: Otto Nikolaus
- 1m.
- Re: Another term question From: Jon Kreisler
- 2a.
- Re: Question for "old timers" re Clarisworks! From: Daly Jessup
- 2b.
- Re: Question for "old timers" re Clarisworks! From: Daly Jessup
- 2c.
- Re: Question for "old timers" re Clarisworks! From: Randy B. Singer
- 2d.
- Re: Question for "old timers" re Clarisworks! From: neelie
- 3a.
- Quicken 2007 (Lion) can't print checks From: moi
- 3b.
- Re: Quicken 2007 (Lion) can't print checks From: Daly Jessup
- 4a.
- Re: Transferring e books from iPad to Computer From: N.A. Nada
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com jonkreisler
Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:47 pm (PDT)
You need to be careful what you are moving. The Unix mv command is ok for
moving simple text files and such. However, if you are planning to move a
Macintosh-specific file, Apple recommends using the command "mvmac". The
syntax is the same as for mv. There is also a "cpmac" command to replace cp.
These commands are Mac-specific and properly deal with Mac's multiple forks.
Jon
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jim <oldtechie@wi.rr.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Experimenting with MV to actually move a file I want to move the file to a
> dir above the one I am in, which is new. is this correct 'mv /new/filename'
> [no quotes?
>
> Jim
>
> __
>
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "Marc Reavis" shirasagi@earthlink.net seitsaman
Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:55 pm (PDT)
On Apr 13, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Jon Kreisler wrote:
> You need to be careful what you are moving. The Unix mv command is ok for
> moving simple text files and such. However, if you are planning to move a
> Macintosh-specific file, Apple recommends using the command "mvmac". The
> syntax is the same as for mv. There is also a "cpmac" command to replace cp.
> These commands are Mac-specific and properly deal with Mac's multiple forks.
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jim <oldtechie@wi.rr.com > wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Experimenting with MV to actually move a file I want to move the file to a
> > dir above the one I am in, which is new. is this correct 'mv /new/filename'
> > [no quotes?
> >
> > Jim
>
Jon,
I read your e-mail and fired up Terminal to check out the "mvmac" and "cpmac" commands. Terminal informs me there are no such manual entries. Where did you find them and how do you use them?
Marc
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com jimpurcell2001
Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:04 pm (PDT)
Jon,
Yes, I know. I may have caused my problem with a missing 'users' folder while working in terminal,. I don't know that odor certain. In fact is it unlikely that I did because the contents of that folder, i.e.dir, were not removed.
I'm not moving and OS X files, just ones I have created and into dirs I have created, both in terminal.
Jim
> You need to be careful what you are moving. The Unix mv command is ok for
> moving simple text files and such. However, if you are planning to move a
> Macintosh-specific file, Apple recommends using the command "mvmac". The
> syntax is the same as for mv. There is also a "cpmac" command to replace cp.
> These commands are Mac-specific and properly deal with Mac's multiple forks.
>
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com jonkreisler
Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:05 pm (PDT)
Unfortunately, Apple didn't put these in the man pages.
If you type mvmac ?
or cpmac ?
you will get a quick usage summary.
They work like the Unix mv and cp (move / copy) commands do.
mvmac source/file/path dest
cpmac sourcefile/path dest
I came across them awhile ago while I was flipping through some of Apple's
developer support web pages. They said mv and cp were not aware of Mac's
data forks and Apple had written mvmac and cpmac to allow you to use shell
scripts to copy/move any type of Mac file without corrupting anything.
Jon
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Marc Reavis <shirasagi@earthlink.net >wrote:
> **
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Jon Kreisler wrote:
> > You need to be careful what you are moving. The Unix mv command is ok for
> > moving simple text files and such. However, if you are planning to move a
> > Macintosh-specific file, Apple recommends using the command "mvmac". The
> > syntax is the same as for mv. There is also a "cpmac" command to replace
> cp.
> > These commands are Mac-specific and properly deal with Mac's multiple
> forks.
> > Jon
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jim <oldtechie@wi.rr.com > wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Experimenting with MV to actually move a file I want to move the file
> to a
> > > dir above the one I am in, which is new. is this correct 'mv
> /new/filename'
> > > [no quotes?
> > >
> > > Jim
> >
> Jon,
>
> I read your e-mail and fired up Terminal to check out the "mvmac" and
> "cpmac" commands. Terminal informs me there are no such manual entries.
> Where did you find them and how do you use them?
>
> Marc
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "Marc Reavis" shirasagi@earthlink.net seitsaman
Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:12 pm (PDT)
On Apr 13, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Jon Kreisler wrote:
> Unfortunately, Apple didn't put these in the man pages.
> If you type mvmac ?
> or cpmac ?
> you will get a quick usage summary.
> They work like the Unix mv and cp (move / copy) commands do.
> mvmac source/file/path dest
> cpmac sourcefile/path dest
> I came across them awhile ago while I was flipping through some of Apple's
> developer support web pages. They said mv and cp were not aware of Mac's
> data forks and Apple had written mvmac and cpmac to allow you to use shell
> scripts to copy/move any type of Mac file without corrupting anything.
> Jon
Jon,
Curious that Apple didn't include those commands in the man pages.
I've had no luck with the "mvmac ?" and "cpmac ?" commands. Does seeing them require a special Terminal setting or environment?
Marc
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com jimpurcell2001
Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:13 pm (PDT)
Jon,
Hmm.. Why do I doubt that Apple decided what is in man pages. I suspect that they got a package, what was it 'Darwin'?
TNX for your reply.
Jim
> Unfortunately, Apple didn't put these in the man pages.
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:08 pm (PDT)
Jon,
Please do *not* confuse us with forks. ;)
(As an aside, was the data/resource fork the most important difference
between the Apple and PC file systems? We still see the fallout of that
now.)
Otto
On 13 April 2012 22:47, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@gmail.com > wrote:
> You need to be careful what you are moving. The Unix mv command is ok for
> moving simple text files and such. However, if you are planning to move a
> Macintosh-specific file, Apple recommends using the command "mvmac". The
> syntax is the same as for mv. There is also a "cpmac" command to replace
> cp.
> These commands are Mac-specific and properly deal with Mac's multiple
> forks.
>
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:12 pm (PDT)
Jim,
"Got a package"? Do you know the story?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (operating_system)Darwin_ >
Otto
On 13 April 2012 23:13, OldTechie <oldtechie@wi.rr.com > wrote:
> Jon,
>
> Hmm.. Why do I doubt that Apple decided what is in man pages. I suspect
> that they got a package, what was it 'Darwin'?
>
> TNX for your reply.
>
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com jimpurcell2001
Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:47 pm (PDT)
Otto,
That probably depends on which story you mean. I don't know the story of how Apple got the Unix package. I did assume, partly because I know that most companies are not in the business of 'reinventing the wheel'. I suppose that fact doesn't preclude a company from doing so if they see a need.
Jim
> "Got a package"? Do you know the story?
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (operating_system)Darwin_ >
>
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- 1j.
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:48 pm (PDT)
Jim,
Your statement, "I know that most companies are not in the business of 'reinventing the wheel'. I suppose that fact doesn't preclude a company from doing so if they see a need.", tells me that you don't get it.
Reinventing the wheel is what Apple does.
Steve Jobs started working with Unix when he started Next and brought it over to Apple, when he came back to Apple. That is why they moved away from Mac System 9 and moved to Mac OS X.
And if you have heard anything about Jobs, you know he probably had them go through every line of code. I know they created a new kernel, that is why it was recommended that you look into Darwin. Apples success has been that they don't do it like everyone else.
There is a saying that you might have heard sometime. It might help you to understand your Mac, "Think Different".
It can mean leave your other OS ways behind you if you want learn your Mac.
Brent
On Apr 13, 2012, at 5:47 PM, OldTechie wrote:
> Otto,
>
> That probably depends on which story you mean. I don't know the story of how Apple got the Unix package. I did assume, partly because I know that most companies are not in the business of 'reinventing the wheel'. I suppose that fact doesn't preclude a company from doing so if they see a need.
>
> Jim
>
> > "Got a package"? Do you know the story?
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (operating_system)Darwin_ >
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "paul smith" kullervo@nycap.rr.com waldonny
Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:54 pm (PDT)
Given your family name, it was pretty clear to me where the "cuchalain" was coming from. ;)
--
PSmith
MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM, OS 10.7.3 iPhone 4S 64 GB, iOS 5.1
On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
The abc$ and cuchalain are specific to my machine
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:43 am (PDT)
Well said. I gave Jim a link so he could read the Darwin story for himself
but he seems not to have done so.
Otto
On 14 April 2012 06:48, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Your statement, "I know that most companies are not in the business of
> 'reinventing the wheel'. I suppose that fact doesn't preclude a company
> from doing so if they see a need.", tells me that you don't get it.
>
> Reinventing the wheel is what Apple does.
>
> Steve Jobs started working with Unix when he started Next and brought it
> over to Apple, when he came back to Apple. That is why they moved away from
> Mac System 9 and moved to Mac OS X.
>
> And if you have heard anything about Jobs, you know he probably had them
> go through every line of code. I know they created a new kernel, that is
> why it was recommended that you look into Darwin. Apples success has been
> that they don't do it like everyone else.
>
> There is a saying that you might have heard sometime. It might help you to
> understand your Mac, "Think Different".
>
> It can mean leave your other OS ways behind you if you want learn your Mac.
>
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Re: Another term question
Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com jonkreisler
Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:33 am (PDT)
They appear to be standard Unix executables:
$ which cpmac mvmac
/usr/bin/cpmac
/usr/bin/mvmac
$ ls -l /usr/bin/cpmac /usr/bin/mvmac
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 25408 Nov 3 17:55 /usr/bin/cpmac
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19104 Nov 3 17:55 /usr/bin/mvmac
$ file /usr/bin/cpmac /usr/bin/mvmac
/usr/bin/cpmac: Mach-O executable i386
/usr/bin/mvmac: Mach-O executable i386
$ cpmac ?
usage: cpmac [-r] [-p] <source-path> <dest-path>
cpmac [-r] [-p] <source-path>... <dest-dir>
$ mvmac ?
usage: mvmac <source-path>... <dest-dir>
Jon
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:13 PM, OldTechie <oldtechie@wi.rr.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Jon,
>
> Hmm.. Why do I doubt that Apple decided what is in man pages. I suspect
> that they got a package, what was it 'Darwin'?
>
> TNX for your reply.
> Jim
>
>
> > Unfortunately, Apple didn't put these in the man pages.
>
>
>
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Re: Question for "old timers" re Clarisworks!
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:39 pm (PDT)
At 5:37 PM +0000 4/13/12, neelie wrote:
>> Second, is there some way to do a mass edit to convert all the old
>> docs created with ClarisWorks to Pages docs?
>
> Yes. Do a get info on one of them (command-I is a handy way to do
> that.) Choose "open with" and there is a box that then says "change
> all."
That's what I experienced, too. But the other pleasant thing I experienced is that for AppleWorks documents and spreadsheets, you don't even have to convert them. Just open them in Lion and Pages and Numbers automatically open the older documents.
If you have AppleWorks databases, you have to convert them before switching to Lion. Plus I used iData to convert my data base files, and Intaglio for vector graphics, and Pixilmator for paintings.
Daly
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Re: Question for "old timers" re Clarisworks!
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:04 pm (PDT)
On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Keith Whaley wrote:
>
> Okay, and what does one enter in the "Open With" slot?
> Will Pages open ClarisWorks documents?
ClarisWorks/AppleWorks had a whole array of documents types: text documents, spreadsheets, presentations, paint documents, drawing (vector) documents.
Pages will open AppleWorks documents.
Numbers will open AppleWorks spreadsheets.
As I wrote earlier, other Lion applications will open the other types of AppleWorks documents, but you have to convert them first, I think.
At least AppleWorks data base documents have to be first (while you can still run AppleWorks) converted to some universal format, like tab delimited or comma delimited, and then they can be opened in various spreadsheet or data base applications in Lion.
There is no single Lion application that will open all kinds of ClarisWorks/AppleWorks documents.
Daly
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Re: Question for "old timers" re Clarisworks!
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:56 pm (PDT)
On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:37 AM, neelie wrote:
> I still have a fair amount of older documents/files created by
> ClarisWorks from some years ago.
You might find this article for moving past AppleWorks (nee
ClarisWorks) helpful:
<http://www.wilmut.webspace. >virginmedia. com/notes/ aw/page1. html
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
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Re: Question for "old timers" re Clarisworks!
Posted by: "neelie" neeliec2000@yahoo.com neeliec2000
Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:02 pm (PDT)
Thanks to everyone for the insight. I hadn't thought of the different components within Claris!
I'll check out the "get info" idea and work on it.
neelie
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , "neelie" <neeliec2000@com ...> wrote:
>
> I still have a fair amount of older documents/files created by ClarisWorks from some years ago.
>
> These are things I don't retrieve often, but when I do, the .cwk in the file name always opens "Keynote." I then get a message telling me that the document I'm trying to open is not a presentation. Well, I know it's not! :-)
>
> First, why would the .cwk open Keynote?
>
> Second, is there some way to do a mass edit to convert all the old docs created with ClarisWorks to Pages docs?
>
> neelie
>
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Quicken 2007 (Lion) can't print checks
Posted by: "moi" hlord1@me.com hlordhlord
Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:54 pm (PDT)
I finally updated to Lion and am having difficulties with Quicken 2007. Every time I try to print checks, Quicken suddenly quits. No error message.
I contacted Quicken support via Chat. They couldn't figure out how to solve this problem. They will supposedly get back to me via email.
Have any of you had this problem? If so how did you solve it.
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Re: Quicken 2007 (Lion) can't print checks
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:36 pm (PDT)
On Apr 13, 2012, at 7:54 PM, moi wrote:
> I finally updated to Lion and am having difficulties with Quicken 2007. Every time I try to print checks, Quicken suddenly quits. No error message.
>
> I contacted Quicken support via Chat. They couldn't figure out how to solve this problem. They will supposedly get back to me via email.
>
>
> Have any of you had this problem? If so how did you solve it.
Did you upgrade to the Lion version of Quicken?
<http://quicken.intuit.com/ >support/help/ lion-compatible- quicken-mac- 2007/GEN83769. html
Daly
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Re: Transferring e books from iPad to Computer
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:28 pm (PDT)
You're right, bummer. They won't play on any Mac. They could be read on an iDevice, but you would have to share an account.
Brent
On Apr 13, 2012, at 12:55 PM, halboye18 wrote:
> thanks, Brent ... It's a bummer, 'cause she bought them thru iTunes
>
> hal
> hal.horwitz@comcast.net
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@..com .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 13, 2012, at 6:27 AM, halboye18 wrote:
> >
> > > My daughter has a bunch of ebooks on her iPad and I want to copy them to my MacBook ... When I connect her iPad to my computer I can copy them but not paste the files to my computer. Under Get Info ... it says files are locked.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to do what I want?
> > >
> > > I would be happy to take your suggestions off line
> >
> > Leave it on the list, as others can learn from the answers, too.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hal,
> >
> > it depends on the ebooks, the format, the copy protection and where they were purchased or gotten from.
> >
> > Give us this information so we can help you.
> >
> > If they are ebooks that she purchased from Apple's iBook, they they can not be transferred to a Mac. Yeah, bummer.
> >
> > If they are opened with Adobe Digital Editions, they may not be able to be read with any device with a different MAC number, machine access code number or unique identifier. This usually is used for text or reference books in my experience, but I have seen it on a book of fiction.
> >
> > If it is a library book from Overdrive, there might be a way, but it would be easier to just check it out yourself.
> >
> > You might be able to share an account for some readers, like Kindle or Nook, and read it on your Mac.
> >
> > Some ebooks may be able to be transferred if you have the correct software on the Mac.
> >
> > So as you can see, until you tell us more, there are too many variables for us to guess.
> >
> > Brent
> >
>
>
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