4/29/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8877

Messages In This Digest (17 Messages)

1a.
Re: Your privacy and the Cloud. From: Forrest Leedy
1b.
Re: Your privacy and the Cloud. From: Forrest Leedy
2a.
Re: Last Will program? From: johnvphoto
3.
lost today's history in Firefox From: N.A. Nada
4a.
Good OCR program From: Joan B. Sax, Ph.D.
4b.
Re: Good OCR program From: Jon Kreisler
4c.
Re: Good OCR program From: Jim Saklad
4d.
Re: Good OCR program From: Otto Nikolaus
5a.
Fwd: [macsupport] Good OCR program From: Daly Jessup
5b.
Re: Good OCR program From: Jim Saklad
5c.
Re: Good OCR program From: Jon Kreisler
5d.
Re: Good OCR program From: Bill Boy
5e.
Re: PDF and  OCR From: Josephine Bacon
6.
OS X 10.7 (LION) Capable of 64-bit Date/Time Handling From: Jon Kreisler
7a.
Re: First Gigabit WiFi 802.11ac Router - Netgear From: Randy B. Singer
8a.
Re: Is Airport Extreme the best option? From: davidpriceuk
9a.
Re: Is the list up? From: Ian Gillis

Messages

1a.

Re: Your privacy and the Cloud.

Posted by: "Forrest Leedy" f.leedy@comcast.net   forrkazu

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:00 pm (PDT)



I have always felt that things like Cloud computing is risky because of all the assurance that these providers give you are really superficial due to the fact that anything directly out of your control is open for problems that are beyond your control which includes some outside source braking in and stealing information. I am limiting what I am putting on iCloud.

Forrest

On Apr 28, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Ardell Faul wrote:

> If you aren't a little paranoid about putting your data in "the cloud",
> you should be.
> http://tinyurl.com/7cb5l77
>
> --
> Ardell Faul
> Computer Monitor Service Inc.
> Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
> 10816 E. Mission Ave.,
> Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
> ardell@icehouse.net
> 509-891-5188

1b.

Re: Your privacy and the Cloud.

Posted by: "Forrest Leedy" f.leedy@comcast.net   forrkazu

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:08 pm (PDT)



I should have checked my spelling a little closer. I meant "breaking in" not "braking in".

On Apr 28, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Forrest Leedy wrote:

> I have always felt that things like Cloud computing is risky because of all the assurance that these providers give you are really superficial due to the fact that anything directly out of your control is open for problems that are beyond your control which includes some outside source braking in and stealing information. I am limiting what I am putting on iCloud.
>
> Forrest
>
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Ardell Faul wrote:
>
>> If you aren't a little paranoid about putting your data in "the cloud",
>> you should be.
>> http://tinyurl.com/7cb5l77
>>
>> --
>> Ardell Faul
>> Computer Monitor Service Inc.
>> Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
>> 10816 E. Mission Ave.,
>> Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
>> ardell@icehouse.net
>> 509-891-5188
>
>
>
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>
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> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
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2a.

Re: Last Will program?

Posted by: "johnvphoto" jvlist@comcast.net   johnvphoto

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:19 pm (PDT)



--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@...> wrote:
>
> > I can't emphasize enough that writing a will yourself is not a good idea, even with the help of a software program.
> >
> > I've even seen wills written by attorneys who don't specialize in doing so result in horrible outcomes when the decedent passes. (I'm a litigator myself. I would never attempt to write a will for myself or anyone else.)
> >
> > Most attorneys charge very reasonable fees for writing wills.
>
> Approximately what is a very reasonable fee for writing a will?

Not sure the price for just writing a will. But a buddy of mine just went through this last week. They put together a will, health directive and power-of-attorney for $900. (NJ) The process might have been cheaper but there was a tricky situation with one of the children and there was only one legal way to handle it. ( Don't think you'll get that info in a $29.99 legal form package ) So in the long run that $900 will protect everyone from lawsuits or worse.

3.

lost today's history in Firefox

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:52 pm (PDT)



I have somehow lost Today in "show all history" in Firefox.

It still shows Yesterday, Last 7 days, This month, and "last" month, but Today is gone. I noticed this late last night, and yesterday's history became visible today. How do I view today's history again?

I can not find a way to add it back in.

Brent
4a.

Good OCR program

Posted by: "Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." jsax@me.com   joan05061

Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:54 pm (PDT)



I frequently get source documents to translate that are in pdf format and I would like to convert them into text files so I can get a word count, and use electronic translation software. Anyone know of a good OCR program that will convert pdfs into text?

Joan in Vermont where we mowed the lawn yesterday and found a dusting of snow on the ground this morning and dog water bowls frozen solid. Did I miss summer?

4b.

Re: Good OCR program

Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com   jonkreisler

Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:05 pm (PDT)



PDFPen/PDFPen Pro from

www.smileonmymac.com

has an OCR function built-in. You can download either/both and try them for
free. The only problem with the free trial is, if you save any files you
have edited in PDFPen/PDFPen Pro, the SmileOnMyMac logo will appear in the
document. The only way to remove the logo is to buy the program, edit the
file and resave it within PDFPen/PDFPen Pro.

Jon

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. <jsax@me.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I frequently get source documents to translate that are in pdf format and
> I would like to convert them into text files so I can get a word count, and
> use electronic translation software. Anyone know of a good OCR program that
> will convert pdfs into text?
>
> Joan in Vermont where we mowed the lawn yesterday and found a dusting of
> snow on the ground this morning and dog water bowls frozen solid. Did I
> miss summer?
>
>

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4c.

Re: Good OCR program

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:38 pm (PDT)



> PDFPen/PDFPen Pro from has an OCR function built-in.

OCR is great for extracting text from *images* of text documents (I used to use OmniPage Pro).

You shouldn't need anything very complex or costly to extract text from a PDF document. Preview, for example, which comes with the MacOS for free.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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4d.

Re: Good OCR program

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:47 pm (PDT)



As an aside: no it's still April and summer is a few months away (in the
NH).
;)
Otto

On 28 April 2012 22:54, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. <jsax@me.com> wrote:

>
> Joan in Vermont where we mowed the lawn yesterday and found a dusting of
> snow on the ground this morning and dog water bowls frozen solid. Did I
> miss summer?
>

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5a.

Fwd: [macsupport] Good OCR program

Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com   dalyjessup

Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:31 pm (PDT)



Joan B. Sax wrote:

> I frequently get source documents to translate that are in pdf format and I would like to convert them into text files so I can get a word count, and use electronic translation software. Anyone know of a good OCR program that will convert pdfs into text?

I use Adobe Acrobat Pro for that sort of thing, but it's expensive. If you don't already have it, you could try PDFPen. It will turn the document into text, which you can then copy and paste into Word, and do your word count, etc., on it.

<http://download.cnet.com/PDFpen/3000-2079_4-10458867.html?tag=mncol;1>

Daly

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." <jsax@me.com>
> Subject: [macsupport] Good OCR program
> Date: April 28, 2012 2:54:52 PM PDT
> To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
> Reply-To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
>
> I frequently get source documents to translate that are in pdf format and I would like to convert them into text files so I can get a word count, and use electronic translation software. Anyone know of a good OCR program that will convert pdfs into text?
>
> Joan in Vermont where we mowed the lawn yesterday and found a dusting of snow on the ground this morning and dog water bowls frozen solid. Did I miss summer?
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Daly Jessup
jessup@san.rr.com

5b.

Re: Good OCR program

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:35 pm (PDT)



>> I frequently get source documents to translate that are in pdf format and I would like to convert them into text files so I can get a word count, and use electronic translation software. Anyone know of a good OCR program that will convert pdfs into text?
>
> I use Adobe Acrobat Pro for that sort of thing, but it's expensive. If you don't already have it, you could try PDFPen. It will turn the document into text, which you can then copy and paste into Word, and do your word count, etc., on it.

I just picked a PDF document from my desktop, opened it in Preview, did a "Select All", copied that, and pasted it into TextEdit.

There it was, text.

Needed some editing, for non-text element removal, and for some embedded forced hyphenation.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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5c.

Re: Good OCR program

Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com   jonkreisler

Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:12 pm (PDT)



Jim,
This technique depends on how the PDF was created. I tried your method on a
PDF file I created using the Print dialog in Chrome.
Select-All, Copy within Preview, paste into TextEdit - result, unreadable
data. You sometimes do need an OCR to extract text from a PDF if the PDF is
image data rather than true text.

Jon

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> I just picked a PDF document from my desktop, opened it in Preview, did a
> "Select All", copied that, and pasted it into TextEdit.
>
> There it was, text.
>
> Needed some editing, for non-text element removal, and for some embedded
> forced hyphenation.
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

5d.

Re: Good OCR program

Posted by: "Bill Boy" billboy@refindedvideo.com   billmboy

Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:01 pm (PDT)



I just saw this app on MacUpdate Promo here

http://www.mupromo.com/

On Apr 28, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:

> Joan B. Sax wrote:
>
> > I frequently get source documents to translate that are in pdf format and I would like to convert them into text files so I can get a word count, and use electronic translation software. Anyone know of a good OCR program that will convert pdfs into text?

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5e.

Re: PDF and  OCR

Posted by: "Josephine Bacon" bacon@langservice.com   baconandeggs_2001

Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:40 am (PDT)



There are two types of pdf, those that were simply created by
converting a Word file into a pdf, which are easily turned back again
into Word by using "save as" in Acrobat Pro. The others, which were
created as an image, have to be OCR'd. You can do this with a program
such as Omnipage, a good program with several language settings.

Josephine Bacon

6.

OS X 10.7 (LION) Capable of 64-bit Date/Time Handling

Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com   jonkreisler

Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:04 pm (PDT)



I am not sure if it was a feature of Lion (OS X 10.7) or somewhere slightly
earlier, but 10.7 is definitely capable of handling 64-bit date/time stamps.
Did you know, for example, January 1, One Billion A.D. will fall on a
Saturday? (Presuming the Gregorian calendar is still in use at that time.}
I think I need to get a real life, the possibilities of dealing with 64-bit
date values is exciting to me.

Jon

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7a.

Re: First Gigabit WiFi 802.11ac Router - Netgear

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:16 pm (PDT)




On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Denver Dan wrote:

> I'm just reading an article about Netgear announcing today (April 26,
> 2012) the first 802.11ac WiFi router. ...
>
> This router should be able to have WiFi speeds up to 3 times that of
> the current speed champ, the 802.11n routers.

I'm assuming that you won't see any speed benefits with this router
until Apple starts installing 802.11ac Airport cards in new Macs,
MacBooks, iPads, etc.

Correct?

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

8a.

Re: Is Airport Extreme the best option?

Posted by: "davidpriceuk" dprice@fireflyuk.net   davidpriceuk

Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:57 am (PDT)



Thanks for your replies. I called it a modem router because that's what they seem to call them generally in the UK - I thought cable modem implied something that takes its Internet from the cable TV service, which we don't have in the rural backwater where I live. I get my Internet via the telephone ADSL. And yes, I use an ethernet switch with my existing router. I also need a USB adapter so that I can plug in my MacBook Air.

My impression from reviews I've read is that the Airport Extreme is generally reliable, but more expensive than similar items from other manufacturers. I've looked at Belkin and Netgear routers which seem to incorporate a modem but some reviews of those are not good. But I am wondering whether it would make the network faster if I bought a new modem rather than relying on the BT one which must be about 8 years old. I see the original description of the modem was that the throughput would be up 10Mbps. My ISP claim to provide up to 8Mbps and I'm getting 6.24 at the moment according to a speed test. But with no prospect now of higher speeds being provided down the phone line in rural areas in the UK, is there any point in having a modem that can provide higher speeds now?

David

9a.

Re: Is the list up?

Posted by: "Ian Gillis" tessel.bas@gmail.com   ianjgillis

Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:46 am (PDT)



On 28 April 2012 19:04, Bekah <bekah0176@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I'm a list owner and a participant in many groups and looking around yesterday I didn't see a word about it.   I looked
>
> http://www.ygroupsblog.com/
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/moderatorcentral/
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/GroupManagersForum/

A useful link is the "Groups Help Community" "Y!Insider" which at
least shows all the other members who are having trouble:

http://yhoo.it/IK2Otx

regards,
Ian

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