Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: What About this Reported Trojan? From: Denver Dan
- 1.2.
- Re: What About this Reported Trojan? From: Ian Gillis
- 2.1.
- Re: Mac Mail issue. From: Vince MacIsaac
- 2.2.
- Re: Mac Mail issue. From: Forrest Leedy
- 2.3.
- Re: Mac Mail issue. From: Denver Dan
- 2.4.
- Re: Mac Mail issue. From: Denver Dan
- 2.5.
- Re: Mac Mail issue. From: Vince MacIsaac
- 3a.
- Joining Wifi Networks From: Jay Abraham
- 3b.
- Re: Joining Wifi Networks From: Jim Saklad
- 3c.
- Re: Joining Wifi Networks From: Jay Abraham
- 3d.
- Re: Joining Wifi Networks From: Cherie Beauton
- 3e.
- Re: Joining Wifi Networks From: paul smith
- 3f.
- Re: Joining Wifi Networks From: Jim Saklad
- 3g.
- Re: iMac doesn't automatically rejoin Wifi if on a standard or manag From: Jay Abraham
- 4a.
- sizing pictures in preview From: Lynn Voedisch
- 4b.
- Re: sizing pictures in preview From: Jim Saklad
- 4c.
- Re: sizing pictures in preview From: Daly Jessup
- 5a.
- Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France? From: James Robertson
- 5b.
- Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France? From: Denver dan
- 5c.
- Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France? From: James Robertson
- 5d.
- Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France? From: Jim Saklad
- 5e.
- Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France? From: Jay Abraham
- 5f.
- Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France? From: Jim Saklad
- 5g.
- Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France? From: Jim Robertson
- 6.
- Seagate GoFlex Desk Thunderbolt Adapter & external HD case From: Denver Dan
Messages
- 1.1.
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Re: What About this Reported Trojan?
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:27 am (PDT)
Howdy.
While your experience with malware is fairly common for Mac users it
doesn't mean that malware for Macintosh is non existent.
The first Mac virus I experienced came from a floppy disk I inserted
probably back in 1988 on a Mac Iici. This was a long time ago using
Mac OS 6. The virus only posted a text phrase on the screen that moved
around a bit and the Mac said, "Don't worry."
I think Mac uses do need to worry about malware but the best way to
worry about it is to be informed of what's out there as malware.
Knowledge is power and that's what the exchange of information by
people in a group like this is all about.
I think folks should keep informed on this topic and be ready to act
but the astonishing panic I often see isn't necessary!
Denver Dan
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:45:38 -0500, OBrien wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:15 -0400, Denver Dan wrote:
>> So here's Denver Dan who has been using Macintosh INTENSELY for 27
>> years, owned and used a lot of Macs at home and in offices, knows a lot
>> of people who use Mac, has belonged to two MUGs and started one, has
>> clients using Macs, and during 27 years I've encountered maybe 7 or 8
>> viruses on all these Macs and those were all prior to 2001.
>
> I've been using Macs extensively since 1986. I've never had a virus,
> and have never known anybody who had a virus on a Mac. I've never
> used anti-virus software.
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
> O'Brien
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Re: What About this Reported Trojan?
Posted by: "Ian Gillis" tessel.bas@gmail.com ianjgillis
Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:47 am (PDT)
On 24 April 2012 17:56, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com > wrote:
> Has even a single person on this very
> discussion list ever encountered malware for OS X?
Great post, Randy, it fairly balances the anti-Mac hysteria.
However I have to report that I did get the Flashback Trojan infection
- ClamXAV reported it and the last Apple Java Update 8 removed it. I
realise that this isn't strictly a MacOS infection but a Sun
vulnerability.
https://github.com/jils/ now gives me a cleanFlashbackChecker /wiki
bill of health.
Looking back I think I was fooled by an Adobe Update message which
looked authentic and I loaded without double checking, which is unlike
me.
It reappeared briefly the other day, then disappeared - should I have
an executable called "Adobe Flash Player Install Manager.app" in
applications/utilities?
regards,
Ian
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Re: Mac Mail issue.
Posted by: "Vince MacIsaac" simply.vinnie@gmail.com unclevinnnie
Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:46 am (PDT)
On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Look for this folder on old Mac. It's in your user account/Library
> folder.
>
> hard drive/Users/your account/Library/ Mail/V2/MailData /Signatures
>
> For each separate signature, you should see a separate file with the
> extension .webarchive.
Dan this is how it was before lion. But now i can't find a mail folder in Library. It seems they changed things. Any other ideas?
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Re: Mac Mail issue.
Posted by: "Forrest Leedy" f.leedy@comcast.net forrkazu
Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:11 am (PDT)
On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Vince MacIsaac wrote:
>
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
>> Look for this folder on old Mac. It's in your user account/Library
>> folder.
>>
>> hard drive/Users/your account/Library/ Mail/V2/MailData /Signatures
>>
>> For each separate signature, you should see a separate file with the
>> extension .webarchive.
>
>
> Dan this is how it was before lion. But now i can't find a mail folder in Library. It seems they changed things. Any other ideas?
Under Lion, to get to the Library you need to go to the finder>go and then while holding down the �option� key, click on Library.
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Re: Mac Mail issue.
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:35 am (PDT)
Howdy.
I'm using Lion and copied the path directly from my Mac for the Apple
Mail folder with those items under discussion.
There are other folders for Mail.
I'm sure you are aware that there 3 different Library folders (more if
you have additional user accounts) and you need to be sure you are
looking in the Library folder in your own User Account folder.
A trick to see the path is to do a special click in a Finder window.
This trick is to do a right click on the Finder window's name.
The Finder window's name is the window name at the top center of the
window's Toolbar.
Right click (or Control left click) and you will see the path with the
root shown at the bottom and the folder you have active listed at the
top of the path list.
Denver Dan
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:46:18 -0400, Vince MacIsaac wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
>> Look for this folder on old Mac. It's in your user account/Library
>> folder.
>>
>> hard drive/Users/your account/Library/ Mail/V2/MailData /Signatures
>>
>> For each separate signature, you should see a separate file with the
>> extension .webarchive.
>
>
> Dan this is how it was before lion. But now i can't find a mail
> folder in Library. It seems they changed things. Any other ideas?
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Re: Mac Mail issue.
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:44 am (PDT)
Howdy.
Ah, Forrest posted this and reminded me.
If you are using Lion, then the Library folder with the signatures is
invisible.
Prior to Lion (like Snow Leopard and earlier) this Library folder was
not invisible.
You can easily make it visible by using Finder's Go menu.
Click the Go menu and then press Option key. This Library folder will
be made visible. The Option key acts like a toggle to make the user's
Library folder visible and invisible on the Go menu.
You can make the Library folder visible on the Go menu and then do an
additional trick (in Lion) to keep it visible and available.
When visible select Library and the Finder window then changes to the
Library folder.
You can then do a special type of icon drag to the Sidebar under
Favorites and the Library folder will then be visible under Favorites
in the future.
This special type of icon drag is to drag the small blue icon of a
folder, the one to the immediate left of the word Library on the
window's Toolbar, and drag it to Sidebar at far left.
Note that dragging this icon can do other things, too, like duplicate a
folder to another folder or drag this same icon to a printer icon on
desktop or in Dock to print a list of files in the Folder.
Denver Dan
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:11:14 -0400, Forrest Leedy wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
>>
>>> Look for this folder on old Mac. It's in your user account/Library
>>> folder.
>>>
>>> hard drive/Users/your account/Library/ Mail/V2/MailData /Signatures
>>>
>>> For each separate signature, you should see a separate file with the
>>> extension .webarchive.
>>
>>
>> Dan this is how it was before lion. But now i can't find a mail
>> folder in Library. It seems they changed things. Any other ideas?
>
> Under Lion, to get to the Library you need to go to the finder>go and
> then while holding down the �option� key, click on Library. - 2.5.
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Re: Mac Mail issue.
Posted by: "Vince MacIsaac" simply.vinnie@gmail.com unclevinnnie
Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:55 am (PDT)
On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
> When visible select Library and the Finder window then changes to the
> Library folder.
Thanks you all. As you can see below, i finally got it to work! YAY!
Vinnie
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Thank you all! I finally
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Joining Wifi Networks
Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net kerala01212001
Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:46 am (PDT)
Hi all,
I've got a problem where my kid's I'Mac looses the Wifi connection but won't pick it back up automatically. If they click on the Wifi icon and then select the Network it will come back up. I know the other computers in the house, sometimes loose the connection but then they automatically pick it back up. This one doesn't seem to.
Not a big issue but the computer is used by my 7 and 10 year old and they get frustrated when they can't get on.
Any ideas on what I might have to do to get the computer to bring connection back up automatically? It the latest iMac version with Lion on it. Note that we used to have an older PowerPC iMac with Leopard and the same issue still occurred. When I migrated, I only migrated documents and reinstalled all applications.
The only other thing I notice is that this doesn't seem to happen on the administrative account. Only on the Managed Account (7 year old) and Standard Account (10 year old)
Jay
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Re: Joining Wifi Networks
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:57 am (PDT)
> I've got a problem where my kid's I'Mac looses the Wifi connection but won't pick it back up automatically. If they click on the Wifi icon and then select the Network it will come back up. I know the other computers in the house, sometimes loose the connection but then they automatically pick it back up. This one doesn't seem to.
>
> Not a big issue but the computer is used by my 7 and 10 year old and they get frustrated when they can't get on.
Since it is a "fixed" desktop computer, you could consider running an ethernet cable from the source (wifi router) to the iMac.
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Re: Joining Wifi Networks
Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net kerala01212001
Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:04 am (PDT)
I've got an ethernet jack about 20 feet away but don't really want to do the cable on the floor and get my wife mad at me.
Jay
On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> > I've got a problem where my kid's I'Mac looses the Wifi connection but won't pick it back up automatically. If they click on the Wifi icon and then select the Network it will come back up. I know the other computers in the house, sometimes loose the connection but then they automatically pick it back up. This one doesn't seem to.
> >
> > Not a big issue but the computer is used by my 7 and 10 year old and they get frustrated when they can't get on.
>
> Since it is a "fixed" desktop computer, you could consider running an ethernet cable from the source (wifi router) to the iMac.
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Re: Joining Wifi Networks
Posted by: "Cherie Beauton" apple_mac_icat@yahoo.com apple_mac_icat
Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:51 am (PDT)
I have to agree with Jim. Run the Ethernet cord to the iMac. I had the same problem with an old desktop.
So, you either make your wife mad, or make the kids mad.
C
On Apr 25, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Jay Abraham <jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net > wrote:
> I've got an ethernet jack about 20 feet away but don't really want to do the cable on the floor and get my wife mad at me.
>
> Jay
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>>> I've got a problem where my kid's I'Mac looses the Wifi connection but won't pick it back up automatically. If they click on the Wifi icon and then select the Network it will come back up. I know the other computers in the house, sometimes loose the connection but then they automatically pick it back up. This one doesn't seem to.
>>>
>>> Not a big issue but the computer is used by my 7 and 10 year old and they get frustrated when they can't get on.
>>
>> Since it is a "fixed" desktop computer, you could consider running an ethernet cable from the source (wifi router) to the iMac.
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Re: Joining Wifi Networks
Posted by: "paul smith" kullervo@nycap.rr.com waldonny
Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:08 am (PDT)
I had a similar problem while using a D-Link wireless router. I replaced it with an Apple Airport Extreme, and have had zero dropped network connections since then.
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On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Jay Abraham wrote:
I've got a problem where my kid's I'Mac looses the Wifi connection but won't pick it back up automatically. If they click on the Wifi icon and then select the Network it will come back up. I know the other computers in the house, sometimes loose the connection but then they automatically pick it back up. This one doesn't seem to.
Not a big issue but the computer is used by my 7 and 10 year old and they get frustrated when they can't get on.
Any ideas on what I might have to do to get the computer to bring connection back up automatically? It the latest iMac version with Lion on it. Note that we used to have an older PowerPC iMac with Leopard and the same issue still occurred. When I migrated, I only migrated documents and reinstalled all applications.
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Re: Joining Wifi Networks
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:23 pm (PDT)
> I've got an ethernet jack about 20 feet away but don't really want to do the cable on the floor and get my wife mad at me.
> Jay
I have some ethernet going over the mantle and over window frames along the wall.
But if not, not.
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Re: iMac doesn't automatically rejoin Wifi if on a standard or manag
Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net kerala01212001
Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:05 pm (PDT)
The kids don't get mad, we just have to go over and manually reconnect. I can understand the connection dropping occasionally as the signal attenuates for various reasons. What I don't understand is why the connection doesn't pick up automatically from the non administrative accounts.
I think the problem is likely to be a preference file or something else like that but wanted to check if someone else had this particular problem.
Jay
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Cherie Beauton <apple_mac_icat@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I have to agree with Jim. Run the Ethernet cord to the iMac. I had the same problem with an old desktop.
>
> So, you either make your wife mad, or make the kids mad.
>
> C
>
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Jay Abraham <jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net > wrote:
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> > I've got an ethernet jack about 20 feet away but don't really want to do the cable on the floor and get my wife mad at me.
> >
> > Jay
> > On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> >
> >>> I've got a problem where my kid's I'Mac looses the Wifi connection but won't pick it back up automatically. If they click on the Wifi icon and then select the Network it will come back up. I know the other computers in the house, sometimes loose the connection but then they automatically pick it back up. This one doesn't seem to.
> >>>
> >>> Not a big issue but the computer is used by my 7 and 10 year old and they get frustrated when they can't get on.
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> >> Since it is a "fixed" desktop computer, you could consider running an ethernet cable from the source (wifi router) to the iMac.
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sizing pictures in preview
Posted by: "Lynn Voedisch" stet@drbrad.org bastetmax
Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:22 pm (PDT)
I never noticed this in Lion until the other day. I used to size pictures in Preview all the time when I was a copy editor for an online news magazine. After I quit, I never had the need to do this anymore. Lately, I wanted to size a picture after I had installed Lion. Suddenly, there is nowhere that tells you the size of the picture, and nowhere that gives you the ability to resize it. There is "cut" and "paste" but that's about it. Or is there somewhere that I am not looking?
And if I can't do it in Preview does that mean I have to install Photoshop or something? I'd been getting along quite well without it.
Lynn
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Re: sizing pictures in preview
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:31 pm (PDT)
> I used to size pictures in Preview all the time when I was a copy editor for an online news magazine. After I quit, I never had the need to do this anymore. Lately, I wanted to size a picture after I had installed Lion. Suddenly, there is nowhere that tells you the size of the picture, and nowhere that gives you the ability to resize it. There is "cut" and "paste" but that's about it. Or is there somewhere that I am not looking?
1. My copy of Preview, under Lion, has "Size..." under the Tools menu.
> And if I can't do it in Preview does that mean I have to install Photoshop or something? I'd been getting along quite well without it.
> Lynn
2. Graphic Converter (lemkesoft.com) is about $40 and does most of what Photoshop does.
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Re: sizing pictures in preview
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:35 pm (PDT)
On Apr 25, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> I used to size pictures in Preview all the time when I was a copy editor for an online news magazine. After I quit, I never had the need to do this anymore. Lately, I wanted to size a picture after I had installed Lion. Suddenly, there is nowhere that tells you the size of the picture, and nowhere that gives you the ability to resize it. There is "cut" and "paste" but that's about it. Or is there somewhere that I am not looking?
>
> 1. My copy of Preview, under Lion, has "Size..." under the Tools menu.
My own copy of Preview has no Lion menu and no Size menu anywhere I can find. But if open an image in Preview, I can still resize it by dragging the lower right corner of the image.
(I have funny feeling this may not be what you are discussing?)
Daly
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Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France?
Posted by: "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net jamesrob328i
Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:27 pm (PDT)
This August, my wife and I will spend about 10 days in France, a bit more than half of it in the rural Loire Valley on a bike trip.
We both have ATT iPhone 4s mobiles. It's my understanding that ATT won't unlock them so that we could use them as local phones on the French GSM networks.
I'm aware that we can purchase both voice and data roaming plans from ATT to use while we're in France, but it's my understanding that the rates (both for data and voice) are pretty steep, and that we can accumulate substantial charges even we don't use the phones at all while they're turned on but not in active use (unless we put them in "flight mode."
I use a few apps on my phone (Wahoo Fitness for example) that will map my rides and track data from ANT+ sensors on my bike to record our trips' exercise data. Mapping is done via GPS (but I don't know whether it requires the "assisted" GPS added by identifying cell towers).
I have a BUNCH of questions:
1. Should I just go to an Apple or ATT store to ask these questions?
2. Apple showcases iOS and the latest iPhone with "Faces, Places, and Events" travelogues from foreign countries (Paris is a prime example). If those people were taking geolocated pictures on their iPhones all day,weren't they using roaming data for the "assisted" GPS? If so, couldn't they chew up their entire roaming data allowances just for the keeping track of the local cell towers to assist for the GPS fixes?
3. Is there any credible rumor that perhaps ATT will allow unlocking of ATT model iPhones for limited periods?
4. If we decide to "bite the bullet" and purchase a roaming voice (or voice and data) plan for each phone (we'll likely get separated several times while we bicycle), how much are we likely to pay for voice calls to each other?
5. If we use iMessage to communicate, will we be able to do that in Europe on public WiFi networks while cellular data is turned "off?"
6. Is it the case that telephone calls TO us from US phone numbers that go to our voicemails (in other words, we don't answer the phone once we see where the calls have originated) can still generate huge cellular voice charges?
and, (for now), the last and perhaps most painful question: given that Verizon WILL unlock their customer-in-good standing iPhones, should we have jumped carriers when we upgraded to the iPhone 4s to have avoided this fiasco altogether?
Thanks,
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Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France?
Posted by: "Denver dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:34 pm (PDT)
Go to an AT&T store and ask for the data and roaming Euro travel plans.
I have San Diego friends in France right now who got a $29.00 cell and. $5.00 data plan valid for about a month at AT&T store. .
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On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:27 PM, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
> This August, my wife and I will spend about 10 days in France, a bit more than half of it in the rural Loire Valley on a bike trip.
>
> We both have ATT iPhone 4s mobiles. It's my understanding that ATT won't unlock them so that we could use them as local phones on the French GSM networks.
>
> I'm aware that we can purchase both voice and data roaming plans from ATT to use while we're in France, but it's my understanding that the rates (both for data and voice) are pretty steep, and that we can accumulate substantial charges even we don't use the phones at all while they're turned on but not in active use (unless we put them in "flight mode."
>
> I use a few apps on my phone (Wahoo Fitness for example) that will map my rides and track data from ANT+ sensors on my bike to record our trips' exercise data. Mapping is done via GPS (but I don't know whether it requires the "assisted" GPS added by identifying cell towers).
>
> I have a BUNCH of questions:
>
> 1. Should I just go to an Apple or ATT store to ask these questions?
> 2. Apple showcases iOS and the latest iPhone with "Faces, Places, and Events" travelogues from foreign countries (Paris is a prime example). If those people were taking geolocated pictures on their iPhones all day,weren't they using roaming data for the "assisted" GPS? If so, couldn't they chew up their entire roaming data allowances just for the keeping track of the local cell towers to assist for the GPS fixes?
> 3. Is there any credible rumor that perhaps ATT will allow unlocking of ATT model iPhones for limited periods?
> 4. If we decide to "bite the bullet" and purchase a roaming voice (or voice and data) plan for each phone (we'll likely get separated several times while we bicycle), how much are we likely to pay for voice calls to each other?
> 5. If we use iMessage to communicate, will we be able to do that in Europe on public WiFi networks while cellular data is turned "off?"
> 6. Is it the case that telephone calls TO us from US phone numbers that go to our voicemails (in other words, we don't answer the phone once we see where the calls have originated) can still generate huge cellular voice charges?
>
> and, (for now), the last and perhaps most painful question: given that Verizon WILL unlock their customer-in-good standing iPhones, should we have jumped carriers when we upgraded to the iPhone 4s to have avoided this fiasco altogether?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France?
Posted by: "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net jamesrob328i
Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:45 pm (PDT)
On Apr 25, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Denver dan wrote:
> I have San Diego friends in France right now who got a $29.00 cell and. $5.00 data plan valid for about a month at AT&T store. .
I checked that out myself today. The $5 voice plan reduces voice charges from $1.30/minute to (are you ready) $1.00 per minute.
If your phone rings or logs a voicemail message, that's at least one minute. iMessage can be used to avoid cell minute charges, but only if WiFi is available. One of the sales associates at my Apple Store told me the best way to avoid a surprise huge bill on getting home from a trip overseas is to put a "dummy" micro-SIM card in the phone and basically turn it into an iPod Touch for the duration of the trip. Turn-by-turn navigation, which of course streams map image information as well as updated GPS coordinates, apparently "eats" lots of data.
The best tip (I think) I got today was that the cell-capable iPads are not locked to their carrier, so I'll buy an SFR or Orange micro-SIM for my iPad once we get to France and use IT for as much data-retrieval/transmission stuff as we can; e.g., emailing pictures back home. As I expected, the iPhone cannot geotag photos unless cellular data is "on," so those iOS commercials that show people making their trip video/photo diaries as they travel overseas come at a cost that could, under the right set of "oops" failure to purchase the right (still expensive) data plan or local SIM almost as expensive as the device used to record them!
There are HUGE threads on ATT's support site that express the disappointment customers have in ATT regarding their refusal to unlock the iPhone. Apparently they knew from the outset they had a goldmine. Verizon, on the other hand, will unlock iPhones of "good" customers (but they know the customers will be coming back to them on return to the US because the GSM radio in the Verizon iPhones apparently doesn't operate on the same frequency as US GSM networks, so when travelers with Verizon phones come back home they'll need Verizon again for their phones to work in the US.
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Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France?
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:08 pm (PDT)
> Turn-by-turn navigation, which of course streams map image information as well as updated GPS coordinates, apparently "eats" lots of data.
Turn-by-turn navigation does not necessarily stream map information.
The cost of a nav app with mapping data IN the app will more than pay for itself in saved data costs if you're an American overseas.
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Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France?
Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net kerala01212001
Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:16 pm (PDT)
It is going to be really expensive for data.
1. Don't know - don't think AT&T stores will be that helpful but might get better answers by calling AT&T intl desk.
2. Not sure but I thought you could use GPS without data roaming turned on.
3. I have heard that AT&T will unlock non contract phones now, however since you are on the 4S, I don't think this applies.
4. Voice isn't that expensive in France. Without the roaming plan it is $1.39 per minute. With a plan it is $0.99 a minute. You can sign up for the plan for just the 10 days you are there.
5. Yes, you can use iMessage to communicate over public WiFi. Note we were there last year in Paris and found few free Wifi connections and seeing as you are biking in a rural area I would expect even less.
6. Yes, even if you don't answer or send the call to voice mail you will be charged the international rate for the duration of the call. If your phone is turned off you won't get charged.
Note that having Verizon unlock your phone isn't the same thing. Verizon's network does not work in most overseas locations. The SiM card slot in the phone isn't useful in the US so what Verizon does is allow you to use the phone overseas. Getting a foreign SIM card will get a new number assigned to the phone e.g a French phone number. The data connection you get is also a very slow connection from what I've heard.
The data costs from e-mail and other apps are what really add up. I reset my phone when we were in London and forgot to change back to data roaming off and rang up over $150 in data charges over 8 hours.
I would suggest 2 options.
1.) look at Orange or one of the other providers sites and see if they have coverage in the route you are looking to ride and then get their version of a Mii ( mobile wireless device). You pay for the data connection at the in-country rate and then hook both of your phones to it using Wi-Fi. You can then keep the phones in airplane mode with Wifi turned on. iMessage should work, your apps should work and you can make phone calls over Skype.
2) alternatively you can sign up for a Wifi plan like Boingo in the US that has good coverage in the areas of France you will be in. Will work like above but won't likely have coverage while biking. Should be a lot cheaper though.
I haven't heard of anything like Dan suggest below.
Jay
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On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Denver dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Go to an AT&T store and ask for the data and roaming Euro travel plans.
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> On Apr 25, 2012, at 5:27 PM, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
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> > This August, my wife and I will spend about 10 days in France, a bit more than half of it in the rural Loire Valley on a bike trip.
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> > We both have ATT iPhone 4s mobiles. It's my understanding that ATT won't unlock them so that we could use them as local phones on the French GSM networks.
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> > I'm aware that we can purchase both voice and data roaming plans from ATT to use while we're in France, but it's my understanding that the rates (both for data and voice) are pretty steep, and that we can accumulate substantial charges even we don't use the phones at all while they're turned on but not in active use (unless we put them in "flight mode."
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> > I use a few apps on my phone (Wahoo Fitness for example) that will map my rides and track data from ANT+ sensors on my bike to record our trips' exercise data. Mapping is done via GPS (but I don't know whether it requires the "assisted" GPS added by identifying cell towers).
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> > I have a BUNCH of questions:
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> > 1. Should I just go to an Apple or ATT store to ask these questions?
> > 2. Apple showcases iOS and the latest iPhone with "Faces, Places, and Events" travelogues from foreign countries (Paris is a prime example). If those people were taking geolocated pictures on their iPhones all day,weren't they using roaming data for the "assisted" GPS? If so, couldn't they chew up their entire roaming data allowances just for the keeping track of the local cell towers to assist for the GPS fixes?
> > 3. Is there any credible rumor that perhaps ATT will allow unlocking of ATT model iPhones for limited periods?
> > 4. If we decide to "bite the bullet" and purchase a roaming voice (or voice and data) plan for each phone (we'll likely get separated several times while we bicycle), how much are we likely to pay for voice calls to each other?
> > 5. If we use iMessage to communicate, will we be able to do that in Europe on public WiFi networks while cellular data is turned "off?"
> > 6. Is it the case that telephone calls TO us from US phone numbers that go to our voicemails (in other words, we don't answer the phone once we see where the calls have originated) can still generate huge cellular voice charges?
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> > and, (for now), the last and perhaps most painful question: given that Verizon WILL unlock their customer-in-good standing iPhones, should we have jumped carriers when we upgraded to the iPhone 4s to have avoided this fiasco altogether?
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Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France?
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:32 pm (PDT)
> 2. Not sure but I thought you could use GPS without data roaming turned on.
Correct.
Which is why you may want to consider a mapping app with map data included.
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Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France?
Posted by: "Jim Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net jamesrob328i
Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:54 pm (PDT)
I just assumed that Apple's Map app was the only option, but now I remember using another two years ago. It worked pretty well in Texas (not PARIS, Tx), but I'll have to check to see if they have maps for France. On the other hand, that's not likely to help me anyway because my bicycling app DOES rely on Apple's built-in app.
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On Apr 25, 2012, at 18:07, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
> Turn-by-turn navigation does not necessarily stream map information.
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> The cost of a nav app with mapping data IN the app will more than pay for itself in saved data costs if you're an American overseas.
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Seagate GoFlex Desk Thunderbolt Adapter & external HD case
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:22 pm (PDT)
Howdy.
A new product from Seagate.
Seagate GoFlex Desk Thunderbolt Adapter
The Storage Review item is a bit confusing about what this product
does.
<http://www.storagereview.com/ >seagate_goflex_ desk_thunderbolt _adapter_ review
I found a video from CNET TV that does a much better job showing what
this device does and how you use it.
<http://cnettv.cnet.com/ >seagate-goflex- desk-thunderbolt -adapter/ 9742-1_53- 50121697. html
This item may not be commercially available yet so I have no idea what
the price would be.
Denver Dan
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