4/27/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8873

Messages In This Digest (23 Messages)

1a.
Re: sizing pictures in preview From: Jurgen Richter
2a.
Re: iMac doesn't automatically rejoin Wifi if on a standard or manag From: Jay Abraham
3a.
Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France? From: Jim Saklad
4a.
Airport Extreme has slowed extremely From: N.A. Nada
4b.
Re: Airport Extreme has slowed extremely From: Jim Saklad
4c.
Re: Airport Extreme has slowed extremely (Probably Solved) From: N.A. Nada
4d.
Re: Airport Extreme has slowed extremely From: N.A. Nada
5.
haunted by terminated email account From: bobbystar
6.
Re: WiFi not rejoining From: Jay Abraham
7.
First Gigabit WiFi 802.11ac Router - Netgear From: Denver Dan
8a.
foxfire question From: hecowan
8b.
Re: foxfire question From: Jay Abraham
9a.
foxfire question - a little more information From: hecowan
9b.
Re: foxfire question - a little more information From: Jay Abraham
10a.
Terminal & Unix From: exdetroiter
10b.
Re: Terminal & Unix From: Jon Kreisler
10c.
Re: Terminal & Unix From: Harry Flaxman
10d.
Re: Terminal & Unix From: OldTechie
10e.
Re: Terminal & Unix From: Harry Flaxman
10f.
Re: Terminal & Unix From: Randy B. Singer
10g.
Re: Terminal & Unix From: Chris Jones
11.
Brydge Turns Your iPad Into a Laptop! From: Randy B. Singer
12.
Last Will program? From: Bekah

Messages

1a.

Re: sizing pictures in preview

Posted by: "Jurgen Richter" yahoo-1@sympatico.ca   epsongroups

Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:57 am (PDT)



I'm on SnowLeopard and in Preview I can resize an image under TOOLS >
Adjust size
The top box is titled Image Dimensions and provides the current size.
Here you enter the size(s) you want and the resolution as well as other
options. The lower box shows the resulting size in % change and physical
size in KB. Then click OK and save (as) the file under a new or old name
as chosen.

2a.

Re: iMac doesn't automatically rejoin Wifi if on a standard or manag

Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net   kerala01212001

Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:31 am (PDT)



Yes, they can. In fact they don't even need to switch off Airport, they just need to select the network again. However, they don't they just call me and I have to talk them through it. I know this isn't the way it is supposed to happen since it doesn't happen on any of our other computers.

Jay

On Apr 26, 2012, at 5:33 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> Can't *they* simply click on the AirPort icon, switch off AirPort, then
> switch it back on, or this not available in a non-admin account?
>
> Otto
>
> On 26 April 2012 01:05, Jay Abraham <jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net> wrote:
>
> > The kids don't get mad, we just have to go over and manually reconnect. I
> > can understand the connection dropping occasionally as the signal
> > attenuates for various reasons. What I don't understand is why the
> > connection doesn't pick up automatically from the non administrative
> > accounts.
> >
> > I think the problem is likely to be a preference file or something else
> > like that but wanted to check if someone else had this particular problem.
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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3a.

Re: Taking ATT iPhone 4s-es to France?

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:47 am (PDT)



>> 2. Not sure but I thought you could use GPS without data roaming turned on.
>
> Correct.
> Which is why you may want to consider a mapping app with map data included.

To be perhaps less succinct:

Two functions/features are required for mapping -- locating the iDevice, and displaying that location on a map.

For the 1st part, GPS works whether or not map data are available to display *where* the determined location is.

For the 2nd part, Apps that have downloaded and cached the map data when you were back at the hotel, on Wifi, or that have the map data included in the App (e.g., TomTom), will be able to display a map of your location with points of interest without having to make any further data connection.

And App like the built-in Google Maps must repeatedly download map data every time you "move off the screen" or change the map scale.

--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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4a.

Airport Extreme has slowed extremely

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:22 am (PDT)



My apologies, I am cross posting this on one other list.

I have an Airport Extreme Slim Dual Band. Until recently I was getting internet test speeds up to 20Mbps. Now I am getting below 1Mbps down and nearly 3Mbps up.

Nothing has changed. I see no new networks, no other known new wireless gadgets. Channel selection is set to automatic, so it should change if someone else is on the channel. When I change to Ethernet I go back to the faster speeds.

What can I check before I assume that the Airport is dying after 3 years? I have been having other issues a dying ABS would explain, like Notes not updating on the iPhone, web sites timing out, difficulties reaching my Drobo, slow and halting video streaming from youtube and Hulu.

How can I tell if it is the ABS and not the WiFi card in my MBP?

I seem to get only 3 to 4 years out of them. (Ouch!)

early 2008 MBP, 10.7.3
Airport 6.0
iPhone 3GS, iOS 5.1

Brent
4b.

Re: Airport Extreme has slowed extremely

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:34 am (PDT)



> I have an Airport Extreme Slim Dual Band. Until recently I was getting internet test speeds up to 20Mbps. Now I am getting below 1Mbps down and nearly 3Mbps up.
>
> Nothing has changed. I see no new networks, no other known new wireless gadgets. Channel selection is set to automatic, so it should change if someone else is on the channel. When I change to Ethernet I go back to the faster speeds.
>
> What can I check before I assume that the Airport is dying after 3 years? I have been having other issues a dying ABS would explain, like Notes not updating on the iPhone, web sites timing out, difficulties reaching my Drobo, slow and halting video streaming from youtube and Hulu.

The first thing I would do is unplug it for 60 seconds, re-connect it, letting it re-boot, and check speeds again.

Do you have any other Wifi gizmos, like iPad or iPhone? There are good speed-checking apps for them. That could test whether it's the ABS or the computer's Wifi.

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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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4c.

Re: Airport Extreme has slowed extremely (Probably Solved)

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:50 am (PDT)



I should have checked the speed before I posted. My speeds are back up. It appears the WiFi card in the MBP is the issue.

I will check the speeds again, later this evening after it has been all day. Then I will check the antenna connections and see which of two card is in my MBP. Wow! The price range is up to $159 new to $15 used from a reputable vendor.

The MBP has had the logic board replaced 3 times in 3 months and so the cables could be loose.

I should know by late tonight or tomorrow, but I think I have it solved.

Scott from the other list shared this interesting bit with me, and I thought I would pass it on.

"How's your signal strength? You can check that in more detail using this tool:

http://blogs.canoe.ca/canoetech/signs-of-the-times/mac-os-lion-little-known-wi-fi-diagnostic-tool"

Apparently, there is a built in signal strength meter in Lion.

Brent

On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:22 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:

> My apologies, I am cross posting this on one other list.
>
> I have an Airport Extreme Slim Dual Band. Until recently I was getting internet test speeds up to 20Mbps. Now I am getting below 1Mbps down and nearly 3Mbps up.
>
> Nothing has changed. I see no new networks, no other known new wireless gadgets. Channel selection is set to automatic, so it should change if someone else is on the channel. When I change to Ethernet I go back to the faster speeds.
>
> What can I check before I assume that the Airport is dying after 3 years? I have been having other issues a dying ABS would explain, like Notes not updating on the iPhone, web sites timing out, difficulties reaching my Drobo, slow and halting video streaming from youtube and Hulu.
>
> How can I tell if it is the ABS and not the WiFi card in my MBP?

4d.

Re: Airport Extreme has slowed extremely

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:22 am (PDT)



Thanks Jim. Your post had not reached me before my other post.

I went through the basics, like power cycling the ABS and cable modem, looking for interference sources, new and old, and testing the speed over Ethernet instead of WiFi.

It appears to be either loose antenna cables inside the MBP or the card is dying. I will test it later tonight when the issue seems to appear.

Brent

On Apr 26, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:

> > I have an Airport Extreme Slim Dual Band. Until recently I was getting internet test speeds up to 20Mbps. Now I am getting below 1Mbps down and nearly 3Mbps up.
> >
> > Nothing has changed. I see no new networks, no other known new wireless gadgets. Channel selection is set to automatic, so it should change if someone else is on the channel. When I change to Ethernet I go back to the faster speeds.
> >
> > What can I check before I assume that the Airport is dying after 3 years? I have been having other issues a dying ABS would explain, like Notes not updating on the iPhone, web sites timing out, difficulties reaching my Drobo, slow and halting video streaming from youtube and Hulu.
>
> The first thing I would do is unplug it for 60 seconds, re-connect it, letting it re-boot, and check speeds again.
>
> Do you have any other Wifi gizmos, like iPad or iPhone? There are good speed-checking apps for them. That could test whether it's the ABS or the computer's Wifi.

5.

haunted by terminated email account

Posted by: "bobbystar" bobbystar@yahoo.com   bobbystar

Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:55 am (PDT)



I receive delivery notification failure messages from the postermaster@mac.com which is trying to send a message to a no longer used Comcast account. I have not had Comcast service in several years.

These messages are in regard to reminder alerts set up in one of my calendars.

I can not find any reference to my old Comcast account in any of my Apple computers. I don't see it in iCloud. I don't see it in my yahoo account. I don't see it anywhere.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can rid of these messages?

Thanks,

Bobby

6.

Re: WiFi not rejoining

Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net   kerala01212001

Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:30 pm (PDT)



Hi Leigh,

Thanks for the suggestion. I've unchecked. Will see if this improves things.

Jay

On Apr 26, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Leigh MacKay wrote:

> Hi, Jay.
>
> In Network Preferences, is the "Ask to join new networks" option checked? If so, try unselecting. Just a suggestion.
>
> Cheer,
> Leigh

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7.

First Gigabit WiFi 802.11ac Router - Netgear

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:28 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

I'm just reading an article about Netgear announcing today (April 26,
2012) the first 802.11ac WiFi router.

See also at Netgear: <http://www.netgear.com/landing/80211ac/>

This router should be able to have WiFi speeds up to 3 times that of
the current speed champ, the 802.11n routers.

Up to 1300 Mbps in 5 Ghz mode.

It may be available in May or June at about $200.00 USD.

There are also some rumors of updates to come out shortly for Apple's
brand AirPort Extreme and Time Capsule items.

Here's a link to Wikipedia for info on 802.11ac WiFi speed protocol.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac>

Denver Dan

8a.

foxfire question

Posted by: "hecowan" hecowan@islandnet.com   hecowan

Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:29 pm (PDT)



hello group,

i don't know if this is place to ask firefox questions but here goes.
for the last few versions firefox saves files wherever it decides
best. is there a way stop or change this behavior. even when i
select a location to save to, it will put the item somewhere else.
so i spend quite a bit of time looking for saved item, very
frustrating.

thank you for your time and assistance.
hec

8b.

Re: foxfire question

Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net   kerala01212001

Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:50 pm (PDT)



On my computer It saves it to the Downloads folder by Default for Firefox 11.0 on Lion. If you don't want to save it there you can open Preferences: General and select what you want to do with Downloads. If that isn't happening for you, maybe you need to trash your preferences or Plist for Firefox.

Jay
On Apr 26, 2012, at 5:29 PM, hecowan wrote:

> hello group,
>
> i don't know if this is place to ask firefox questions but here goes.
> for the last few versions firefox saves files wherever it decides
> best. is there a way stop or change this behavior. even when i
> select a location to save to, it will put the item somewhere else.
> so i spend quite a bit of time looking for saved item, very
> frustrating.
>
> thank you for your time and assistance.
> hec

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9a.

foxfire question - a little more information

Posted by: "hecowan" hecowan@islandnet.com   hecowan

Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:39 pm (PDT)



hello again,

the problem occurs when i use the "save page as" option, not when
items are to go to the 'download' file.

cheers,
hec

hello group,

i don't know if this is place to ask firefox questions but here goes.
for the last few versions firefox saves files wherever it decides
best. is there a way stop or change this behavior. even when i
select a location to save to, it will put the item somewhere else.
so i spend quite a bit of time looking for saved item, very
frustrating.

thank you for your time and assistance.
hec

9b.

Re: foxfire question - a little more information

Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net   kerala01212001

Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:54 pm (PDT)



I don't have any problems doing a save page as option. When I do that it opens up a Save as page - usually it is to what you last saved something in but you can browse to the location where you want to save as and then save as there.

Jay

On Apr 26, 2012, at 5:39 PM, hecowan wrote:

> hello again,
>
> the problem occurs when i use the "save page as" option, not when
> items are to go to the 'download' file.
>
> cheers,
> hec
>
> hello group,
>
> i don't know if this is place to ask firefox questions but here goes.
> for the last few versions firefox saves files wherever it decides
> best. is there a way stop or change this behavior. even when i
> select a location to save to, it will put the item somewhere else.
> so i spend quite a bit of time looking for saved item, very
> frustrating.
>
> thank you for your time and assistance.
> hec
>

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10a.

Terminal & Unix

Posted by: "exdetroiter" oldtechie@wi.rr.com   exdetroiter

Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:22 pm (PDT)



I've been 'playing' with Unix, via Terminal for awhile now. I have done this before, but this time I stuck with it longer. I want to say a few things about Unix but please don't take my comments for negative criticism. I'm just giving my impression of the Unix OS.

I have two basic reasons for playing with Unix. One is for mental exorcism the other is because people have mentioned that Terminal can be used as a powerful tool to configure one OS X. I don't know whether I will last long enough to discover any of these skills.

Sometimes I think that working with terminal is like driving a stick shift car, one can certainly control the car or the computer in ways that may be more precise than with a 'slushmatic' transmission or a GUI OS. But in both cases it may take a lot more skill and certainly few really care enough to learn that skill.

Back in the days of command line only computing and manual transmission driving there were no alternatives. Of course these did not happen within the same time period but the principle still applies.
When one has no alternatives it's use what you have or do without. In both cases cars and computers it probably did not seem too difficult to shift gears on a car, but I suspect that command line computing probably was off-putting to lots of folks.

As I wade though my books on Unix for Mac users, one of them is nearly a thousand pages, I can see why computing with Unix involved such a relatively small number of people. One topic in the book that is really daunting is about text editors, none is like the Mac's TextEdit or the Windows text editors. It takes hardly any skill to use these programs. And since I discovered that I can copy and past text from TexEdit into terminal, I figure, 'Why spend hours learning VIM or emacs, I can just create the files on paste them into terminal, Maybe in an empty VIM or emacs file.

I will continue trying to learn to use Terminal, and I hope these books have something on using terminal to do some of the configuring etc. that I mentioned at the beginning of this message.

Oh, BTW, I'm writing in textedit, and I will copy and paste the message into the Yahoo post option for this group.

Jim

10b.

Re: Terminal & Unix

Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com   jonkreisler

Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:15 pm (PDT)



Yes, with Terminal and command-line Unix the power is in you hands. If you
have the root password, you can even do things you may live to regret. You
can enhance or undermine the MacOS experience in Terminal.
Scripting in Unix can also do some handy manipulations you might otherwise
not be able to do in the GUI. One example that springs to mind is the Time
Machine backup interval. By default, it is set for one hour between
backups. But, using Terminal you can change the interval to any value you
desire. I have even written a Unix script to show you the current value and
allow you to change it. Now that's getting your hands dirty.
Jon

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:22 PM, exdetroiter <oldtechie@wi.rr.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I've been 'playing' with Unix, via Terminal for awhile now. I have done
> this before, but this time I stuck with it longer. I want to say a few
> things about Unix but please don't take my comments for negative criticism.
> I'm just giving my impression of the Unix OS.
>
> I have two basic reasons for playing with Unix. One is for mental exorcism
> the other is because people have mentioned that Terminal can be used as a
> powerful tool to configure one OS X. I don't know whether I will last long
> enough to discover any of these skills.
>
> Sometimes I think that working with terminal is like driving a stick shift
> car, one can certainly control the car or the computer in ways that may be
> more precise than with a 'slushmatic' transmission or a GUI OS. But in both
> cases it may take a lot more skill and certainly few really care enough to
> learn that skill.
>
> Back in the days of command line only computing and manual transmission
> driving there were no alternatives. Of course these did not happen within
> the same time period but the principle still applies.
> When one has no alternatives it's use what you have or do without. In both
> cases cars and computers it probably did not seem too difficult to shift
> gears on a car, but I suspect that command line computing probably was
> off-putting to lots of folks.
>
> As I wade though my books on Unix for Mac users, one of them is nearly a
> thousand pages, I can see why computing with Unix involved such a
> relatively small number of people. One topic in the book that is really
> daunting is about text editors, none is like the Mac's TextEdit or the
> Windows text editors. It takes hardly any skill to use these programs. And
> since I discovered that I can copy and past text from TexEdit into
> terminal, I figure, 'Why spend hours learning VIM or emacs, I can just
> create the files on paste them into terminal, Maybe in an empty VIM or
> emacs file.
>
> I will continue trying to learn to use Terminal, and I hope these books
> have something on using terminal to do some of the configuring etc. that I
> mentioned at the beginning of this message.
>
> Oh, BTW, I'm writing in textedit, and I will copy and paste the message
> into the Yahoo post option for this group.
>
> Jim
>
> _
>

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10c.

Re: Terminal & Unix

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:35 pm (PDT)



On 4/26/2012 9:15 PM, Jon Kreisler wrote:
> Yes, with Terminal and command-line Unix the power is in you hands. If you
> have the root password, you can even do things you may live to regret. You
> can enhance or undermine the MacOS experience in Terminal.
> Scripting in Unix can also do some handy manipulations you might otherwise
> not be able to do in the GUI. One example that springs to mind is the Time
> Machine backup interval. By default, it is set for one hour between
> backups. But, using Terminal you can change the interval to any value you
> desire. I have even written a Unix script to show you the current value and
> allow you to change it. Now that's getting your hands dirty.
> Jon
ttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

IMO, Unix is an extremely powerful tool. Witness that iOS is based upon
the same kernel that OS X is. iOS is extremely powerful and capable for
it's size.

I'll never forget the first time I laid hands on iOS. I was in awe of
it's capabilities. Each release brings more powerful features.

I'm not certain of Apple TV. Does anyone know if it uses the Darwin
kernel as well?

Harry

10d.

Re: Terminal & Unix

Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com   exdetroiter

Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:42 pm (PDT)




Jon,

> Yes, with Terminal and command-line Unix the power is in you hands. If you
> have the root password, you can even do things you may live to regret. You
> can enhance or undermine the MacOS experience in Terminal.
>
But, as you say, you can do things that you'd regret. And one problem is to learn enough so that you don't do such things, at least not many of them.

> Scripting in Unix can also do some handy manipulations you might otherwise
> not be able to do in the GUI.
>
Can't think of anything I would want to script EXCEPT terminal sessions, since I can't imagine doing much in the GUI that would do permanent damage.
> One example that springs to mind is the Time Machine backup interval. By default, it is set for one hour between
> backups. But, using Terminal you can change the interval to any value you desire. I have even written a Unix script to show you the current value and allow you to change it. Now that's getting your hands dirty.
>
But is any of that worth all the time and effort it takes to learn how, especially without doing harm?

TNX for your reply,

Jim

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10e.

Re: Terminal & Unix

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:28 pm (PDT)



On 4/26/2012 9:15 PM, Jon Kreisler wrote:
> Yes, with Terminal and command-line Unix the power is in you hands. If you
> have the root password, you can even do things you may live to regret. You
> can enhance or undermine the MacOS experience in Terminal.
> Scripting in Unix can also do some handy manipulations you might otherwise
> not be able to do in the GUI. One example that springs to mind is the Time
> Machine backup interval. By default, it is set for one hour between
> backups. But, using Terminal you can change the interval to any value you
> desire. I have even written a Unix script to show you the current value and
> allow you to change it. Now that's getting your hands dirty.
> Jon
ttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

IMO, Unix is an extremely powerful tool. Witness that iOS is based upon
the same kernel that OS X is. iOS is extremely powerful and capable for
it's size.

I'll never forget the first time I laid hands on iOS. I was in awe of
it's capabilities. Each release brings more powerful features.

I'm not certain of Apple TV. Does anyone know if it uses the Darwin
kernel as well?

Harry

10f.

Re: Terminal & Unix

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:00 pm (PDT)




On Apr 26, 2012, at 5:22 PM, exdetroiter wrote:

> I will continue trying to learn to use Terminal, and I hope these
> books have something on using terminal to do some of the
> configuring etc. that I mentioned at the beginning of this message.

If you are interested in learning to use the Mac's command line
interface, but would like to do so in safety, with no stress, and
with a lot of guidance, I highly recommend:

CLIX (free)
http://rixstep.com/4/0/clix/

CLIX gives you the command line with training wheels, so you can't
make a nasty mistake while learning. And you can't beat the price!

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

10g.

Re: Terminal & Unix

Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk   bobstermcbob

Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:51 am (PDT)




> Sometimes I think that working with terminal is like driving a stick shift car, one can certainly control the car or the computer in ways that may be more precise than with a 'slushmatic' transmission or a GUI OS. But in both cases it may take a lot more skill and certainly few really care enough to learn that skill.

That last comment is not true this side of 'the pond', and I suspect
most places outside of the states. Automatics are pretty beasts rare
over here.

Whether that makes us better with the command line, remains to be seen....

11.

Brydge Turns Your iPad Into a Laptop!

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:10 pm (PDT)



Brydge Turns Your iPad Into a Laptop!

Pretty impressive looking Kickstarter project.
http://mashable.com/2012/04/26/brydge/
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/552506690/brydge-ipad-do-more

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

12.

Last Will program?

Posted by: "Bekah" bekah0176@sbcglobal.net   bekalex

Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:14 am (PDT)



Does anyone know a good, simple "last will and testament" program?

Bekah

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