Messages In This Digest (10 Messages)
- 1a.
- Mac Mail issue. From: Simply Vinnie
- 1b.
- Re: Mac Mail issue. From: Denver Dan
- 2.1.
- Re: What About this Reported Trojan? From: Denver Dan
- 2.2.
- Re: What About this Reported Trojan? From: OBrien
- 2.3.
- Re: What About this Reported Trojan? From: Jim Smith
- 2.4.
- Re: What About this Reported Trojan? From: Earle Jones
- 2.5.
- Re: What About this Reported Trojan? From: Randy B. Singer
- 2.6.
- Re: What About this Reported Trojan? From: Tod Hopkins
- 3a.
- Re: 2007 iMac to 2012 iMac From: Daly Jessup
- 3b.
- Re: 2007 iMac to 2012 iMac From: Daly Jessup
Messages
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Mac Mail issue.
Posted by: "Simply Vinnie" simply.vinnie@gmail.com unclevinnnie
Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:26 pm (PDT)
I use the multiple signature feature in Mac Mail and recently bought an iMac to do along with my MacBook Pro. is there ask easy way to export the mass list of signatures i have and input them to the new iMac?
Thanks.
Vinnie
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- 1b.
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Re: Mac Mail issue.
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:05 pm (PDT)
Howdy.
There's a lot of poor information floating around about this issue.
I think you can do a straight forward copy of some files from old Mac
to new iMac - putting them in the identical location on the new iMac -
and have your signatures transferred over.
Look for this folder on old Mac. It's in your user account/Library
folder.
hard drive/Users/your account/Library/ Mail/V2/MailData /Signatures
For each separate signature, you should see a separate file with the
extension .webarchive.
There should be a SignaturesByAccount.plist file also.
You can copy all of these .webarchive files and the
SignaturesByAccount.plist file to the identical location on the new
Mac.
I can't experiment with this to know for sure but it is possible that
you will first need to launch Mail on the new iMac and then quit it -
at least once. Then check to see if the same V2/Signatures folder has
been created on the new iMac. It should be OK to create a fresh
Signatures folder in the MailData folder. Again, I can't experiment
with this to be sure.
Note that you can also open a webarchive file with TextEdit just to
check it (but don't save it in TextEdit) and be able to see the actual
signature.
Denver Dan
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:26:25 -0400, Simply Vinnie wrote:
> I use the multiple signature feature in Mac Mail and recently bought
> an iMac to do along with my MacBook Pro. is there ask easy way to
> export the mass list of signatures i have and input them to the new
> iMac?
>
> Thanks.
> Vinnie
- 2.1.
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Re: What About this Reported Trojan?
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:26 pm (PDT)
Howdy.
I really agree with Randy S on this issue.
I belong to a number of Mac groups and have a LOT of neighbors and
friends who use Macintosh. I've been searching for one Mac users who
has had an infection from this Flashback semi-Trojan and haven't found
one.
In addition, I used to make a point of being very up-to-date on Mac OS
1 to 9 (1984 to 2001) viruses. I've had a couple of those early
viruses (that can't infect a Mac OS X system) and have removed a few
from friends and clients Macs.
So here's Denver Dan who has been using Macintosh INTENSELY for 27
years, owned and used a lot of Macs at home and in offices, knows a lot
of people who use Mac, has belonged to two MUGs and started one, has
clients using Macs, and during 27 years I've encountered maybe 7 or 8
viruses on all these Macs and those were all prior to 2001.
Between 1984 and 2001 there were only 56 known Mac viruses that could
infect the system. That's 17 years, folks.
Due to changes in processors and systems Mac OS 9 ended life with 26
known viruses that could rarely infect the system with the other 30
being rendered moot by changes in hardware and OS.
The Windows fan boys and press love to jump on this issue. Same thing
has happened with nearly every one of the approximate 20 to 22 Trojans
and now this Java/Flashback/semi-Trojan.
The reports of 600,000 infected Macs are extremely suspect. Where are
they? The New York Times even reported that the Java/Flashback/semi
Trojan had infected 600,000 Mac laptops. Good grief! Talk about
clueless.
Then what percent of all the Macs in the world is 600,000? About 1
percent?
Moreover there are indications that the Russian group that "discovered"
this Java/Flashback semi-Trojan may have been involved in some way in
creating or maybe propagating it.
Apple has asked the Russian entity responsible for Domain name use to
void the Domain name of the Russian security group but this item hasn't
seen much press coverage. Reading between the lines tells me that
Apple things something isn't all roses and flowers with the Russian
security entity.
I think this is a real piece of malware and is, of course, not
something anybody wants to have to deal with but the level of hysteria
is WAY OUT of PROPORTION to reality.
I've always said that one of these days someone is going to make a
virus for Mac OS X. To be fairI have seen articles about two proposed
theoretical Mac OS X viruses that were never created and have never
been found in the wild. These articles were from at least 5 years
ago.
I even saw a message from a Windows fan boy on another group who
announced that viruses are a thing of the past and nobody gets them
anymore and that he doesn't run anything on his Windows computer except
what Microsoft includes with the OS for protection. OK. Good luck.
Denver Dan
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:56:34 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>
>> We need to escape the pervasive idea that Macs are invulnerable to
>> malware.
>
> I've never heard a Mac user say that. Not even newbies who don't
> really understand computers. The only folks that I've heard say that
> have been Windows bigots, who claim that Mac users say that.
>
>>
>> The current Mac user is JUST as vulnerable to attack as any other
>> computer user.
>
> Well, let's see...
>
> Windows has *over a million* pieces of malware!!!:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/technology/ 7340315.stm
> and there over 95,000 new threats for Windows *every single day*!!!
> http://www.sophos.com/security/ topic/security- threat-report- 2011.html
>
> By comparison, even after Flashback, which exploited a Java
> vulnerability that Apple has since patched (or users can just turn
> Java off), there are still no actual "viruses" for the Mac (defined
> as self-propagating malware) and only a handful of other types of
> malware (much of it being of little or no concern to users as they
> have either never worked properly, they were never widely
> disseminated, and/or there have been patches to the OS to protect
> against them):
> http://www.reedcorner.net/guides/ macvirus/ malware_catalog. php
>
> The numbers, over a million compared to about a 20, kind of argue
> against the Mac being highly vulnerable to malware, don't they?
>
> Though the press has made it sound as if Mac users have been deluged
> by malware recently, I've found it almost impossible to find anyone
> first hand who has been infected, even though I've communicated with
> well over 20,000 Mac users in my user group and on about a dozen e-
> mail discussion lists. Has even a single person on this very
> discussion list ever encountered malware for OS X?
>
> To this day there is still shockingly little malware for the Mac, and
> the Mac running recent versions of OS X is an impressively secure
> personal computing platform. This is what the press said with the
> introduction of Lion:
>
> Experts: OS X now much more secure than rivals
> http://www.macnn.com/articles/ 11/07/23/ leapfrogs. windows.
> 7.linux.but.still.not. perfect/
> or
> http://is.gd/20R6VD
>
> Lion Security: Building on the iOS Foundation
> http://tidbits.com/article/ 12417
> "...we have security options never before available to consumers"
>
> Major overhaul makes OS X Lion king of security
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/ 2011/07/21/ mac_os_x_ lion_security/
>
> So, is the Mac "just as vulnerable to attack" as other computers? I
> find that statement indefensible based on the facts.
>
>> Mac users have become extremely tempting targets. It is clear that
>> malware writers are working on exploits specific to Mac users.
>
> Malware writers have *always* been interested in the Mac. Probably
> even more so years ago than today. Recently they finally found
> something to exploit: Java. That route has been closed. I don't see
> any evidence that they are going to be finding another.
>
>
>> Personally, I expect an "exploit" reaching at least 100,000 Mac
>> users within the year, though we may in fact see an iOS exploit first.
>
> Interesting bit of paranoia. How are they going to exploit iOS? All
> of the software that you can put on an iOS device has to be vetted by
> Apple first. iOS devices don't use Flash or Java. How is malware
> going to find its way onto an iOS device?
>
> _____________________ _________ _________ ____
> Randy B. Singer
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Re: What About this Reported Trojan?
Posted by: "OBrien" bco@hiwaay.net conorboru
Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:45 pm (PDT)
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:15 -0400, Denver Dan wrote:
> So here's Denver Dan who has been using Macintosh INTENSELY for 27
> years, owned and used a lot of Macs at home and in offices, knows a lot
> of people who use Mac, has belonged to two MUGs and started one, has
> clients using Macs, and during 27 years I've encountered maybe 7 or 8
> viruses on all these Macs and those were all prior to 2001.
I've been using Macs extensively since 1986. I've never had a virus, and have never known anybody who had a virus on a Mac. I've never used anti-virus software.
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O'Brien ––– –... .-. .. . -. - 2.3.
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Re: What About this Reported Trojan?
Posted by: "Jim Smith" jas1931@gmail.com jimmacsmith
Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:29 pm (PDT)
I have owned and used Macs from 1984 and have seen only one virus, that was on an a computer on loan from Apple. That was before 1990. No telling who that computer had sleep with.
Those utilities we had back before OS X were more that likely bigger problem that the virus.
Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.com
On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:45 PM, OBrien wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:15 -0400, Denver Dan wrote:
>> So here's Denver Dan who has been using Macintosh INTENSELY for 27
>> years, owned and used a lot of Macs at home and in offices, knows a lot
>> of people who use Mac, has belonged to two MUGs and started one, has
>> clients using Macs, and during 27 years I've encountered maybe 7 or 8
>> viruses on all these Macs and those were all prior to 2001.
>
> I've been using Macs extensively since 1986. I've never had a virus, and have never known anybody who had a virus on a Mac. I've never used anti-virus software.
>
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Re: What About this Reported Trojan?
Posted by: "Earle Jones" earle.jones@comcast.net earlejones501
Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:05 pm (PDT)
On Apr 24, 12, at 7:29 PM, Jim Smith wrote:
> I have owned and used Macs from 1984 and have seen only one virus, that was on an a computer on loan from Apple. That was before 1990. No telling who that computer had sleep with.
>
> Those utilities we had back before OS X were more that likely bigger problem that the virus.
>
> Jim Smith
*
MacUser since 1984 and Apple ][ user before that.
The only (known) virus I have ever had on a Mac was the old WDEF (Windows Definition) virus, which I loaded myself from a floppy disk to check some Norton virus detection software.
I have never had a problem in those 28 years that I could attribute to a virus. We experienced a "denial of service" attack back when I was using the old Palo Alto Co-Op as an ISP. The attack was aimed at my ISP, not at me.
The "FlashBack" problem has been contained, provided you keep your software up to date by using all of the recent updates that Apple provides.
earle
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Re: What About this Reported Trojan?
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:07 am (PDT)
On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> > Malware isn't written for processors. It's written for operating
> > systems.
>
> Actually, they can work at the machine level and be OS independent.
Yes, I guess in theory that could be the case.
In reality it has never happened, and I'm willing to bet you money
that it won't ever happen because doing so would be far too difficult
to accomplish and impractical.
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
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- 2.6.
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Re: What About this Reported Trojan?
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:26 am (PDT)
> I've never had a virus, and have never known anybody who had a virus on a Mac.
And I've never seen a tornado, or an erupting volcano, or been mugged, nor even seen a mugging.
Broadly speaking "Malware" covers a huge range of attacks. Do not think "virus" anymore. Yeah, you won't likely see a virus on a Mac. The age of the virus is over, even on Windows machines true viruses are old news. Trojans (Flashback is a trojan), redirection attacks (the original subject of this thread), spoofing, fake web pages, bad java script, keyloggers, identity theft, rootkits... Everyone is a target, even Mac users.
Many of the above are somewhat platform independent (bad web pages and redirection) and some are somewhat OS independent (Java and Flash attacks and rootkits).
Does any of this mean your actual risk is greater today than yesterday? I don't know. I don't know who you are or what you do. I don't know what "neighborhood" you live your cyberlife in, nor the degree to which you depend on your computer. I don't know if you have Windows installed on your Mac, or Ubuntu.
I personally take few precautions, even on PCs. I think most are a waste of time. Mostly, I stay aware of the potential threats and take simple steps to avoid major risk. I have rarely been "infected," even on Windows, in 30 years of computing.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr. com
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Re: 2007 iMac to 2012 iMac
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:27 pm (PDT)
On Apr 24, 2012, at 10:34 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Out of curiosity, did you run that in Lion or Snow Leopard?
>
> Note that it starts with system_profiler and so must be run in 10.6.
>
> I tried changing that to system_information, and got back "command not found".
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>> system_profiler SPApplicationsDataType | grep -A4 PowerPC > ~/Desktop/ Applications_ Report.txt
I ran that in Lion. Because I read your email I tried the same command using system-information and got:
Daly-iMac:~ daly$ system_information SPApplicationsDataType | grep -A4 PowerPC > ~/Desktop/ Applications_ Report.txt
-bash: /Users/daly/Desktop/: Is a directory
-bash: system_information: command not found
Daly-iMac:~ daly$
In other words, nothing. Perhaps this command has morphed in more recent OS versions? I don't know enough Unix to evaluate it.
Daly
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Re: 2007 iMac to 2012 iMac
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:30 pm (PDT)
On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> system_profiler SPApplicationsDataType | grep -A4 PowerPC > ~/Desktop/ Applications_ Report.txt
>>
>> Randy, I ran this command (eliminating the line break, of course) and got this message in Terminal, followed by the prompt:
Yeah, I eliminated the space as well. Still got the error message as I reported.
Daly
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