4/12/2012

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1a.

Is it worth getting an iPad 1?

Posted by: "Alice" alicex@adventuresunderground.co.uk   djalice

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:13 am (PDT)



I've ben trying to justify getting an iPad since they came out but just can.

I have a Macbook Pro that desperately needs replacing (waiting for updates) and an iPhone 4. I love them both!

If I had an iPad, I think the only new use for it would be reading comics and watching TV in the bath! comics on the iPhone are not great because of screen size and I wouldn't take my laptop in the bathroom.

I would probably surf the web, email and play games if I had one but this can easily be done on my other devices.

What I'm thinking is to get an iPad 1 off eBay as I've seen them go for about £120 which is OK.

What are the main drawbacks to getting an iPad 1? Apart from camera (no need), battery, CPU speed (unless it's a real problem), weight, thickness etc. I'm mainly thinking software etc. Is there much I won't be able to do? Can it take the latest iOS?

Anyone out there with an iPad 1? Let me know how it's holding up.

Thanks

Alice

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Re: Is it worth getting an iPad 1?

Posted by: "Julie Goucher" juliegoucher@gmail.com   jdg122000

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:09 am (PDT)



Hello Alice,

I have my iPad 1 and like you debated should I, shouldn't I for ages. Then
I bought one and decided to go with the 3G+WiFi 64GB and was delighted with
it. It has really come into its own in the last 6 months as I have been
ill with a bad back - walking upstairs, and I have lots of them, was
tiresome and even though I have a laptop, which is portable, I like sitting
at my desk with it.

The iPad has been brilliant. I can read on it, although I do have a kindle.
I can read, delete and reply to emails, blog and play some games - I like
words for friends and the screen is a little small on my iPhone, although
if I had my glasses on it might help! Not to mention Facebook, twitter. Do
the Sainsburys grocery delivery. I love it!!

I would recommend it and although I will probably update at some point, I
am happy with my iPad 1 for now. Purchasing from eBay is OK. I would really
look around for the best deal - the most flexibility and space the money
can buy and pay via Paypal then you have at least the insurances for the
purchase. What sort of capacity can you get for £120?

Regards
Julie (also in the UK!)

On 12 April 2012 08:18, Alice <alicex@adventuresunderground.co.uk> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I've ben trying to justify getting an iPad since they came out but just
> can.
>
> I have a Macbook Pro that desperately needs replacing (waiting for
> updates) and an iPhone 4. I love them both!
>
> If I had an iPad, I think the only new use for it would be reading comics
> and watching TV in the bath! comics on the iPhone are not great because of
> screen size and I wouldn't take my laptop in the bathroom.
>
> I would probably surf the web, email and play games if I had one but this
> can easily be done on my other devices.
>
> What I'm thinking is to get an iPad 1 off eBay as I've seen them go for
> about £120 which is OK.
>
> What are the main drawbacks to getting an iPad 1? Apart from camera (no
> need), battery, CPU speed (unless it's a real problem), weight, thickness
> etc. I'm mainly thinking software etc. Is there much I won't be able to do?
> Can it take the latest iOS?
>
> Anyone out there with an iPad 1? Let me know how it's holding up.
>
> Thanks
>
> Alice
>
>
>

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1c.

Re: Is it worth getting an iPad 1?

Posted by: "oscarpoppyuk" lynw28@yahoo.co.uk   oscarpoppyuk

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:10 am (PDT)



I sold my iPad 1 to my friend when I got the 3, and she's loving it. She's new to apple, having a Samsung netbook that is just so slow. Apart from the camera there is really no difference in everyday use and she now uses the internet quite readily. I know you are not a net novice but the convenience and portability outweigh the cost and £120 is a great price. My iPad 3 has a mobile contract with 3 (who have improved greatly imho) and I get 15gb per month so if it can take a sim their tariff is really generous.
We have played leapfrog with the iPads (can you tell we have no children?) and there is no discernable difference between the 2 and the 3 in everyday use either really.
If you can justify it, go for it.
Lyn

--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Alice <alicex@...> wrote:
>
> I've ben trying to justify getting an iPad since they came out but just can.
>
> I have a Macbook Pro that desperately needs replacing (waiting for updates) and an iPhone 4. I love them both!
>
> If I had an iPad, I think the only new use for it would be reading comics and watching TV in the bath! comics on the iPhone are not great because of screen size and I wouldn't take my laptop in the bathroom.
>
> I would probably surf the web, email and play games if I had one but this can easily be done on my other devices.
>
> What I'm thinking is to get an iPad 1 off eBay as I've seen them go for about £120 which is OK.
>
> What are the main drawbacks to getting an iPad 1? Apart from camera (no need), battery, CPU speed (unless it's a real problem), weight, thickness etc. I'm mainly thinking software etc. Is there much I won't be able to do? Can it take the latest iOS?
>
> Anyone out there with an iPad 1? Let me know how it's holding up.
>
> Thanks
>
> Alice
>

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Re: Is it worth getting an iPad 1?

Posted by: "Tara Payne" hijump1@yahoo.com   tmayner

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:11 am (PDT)



My husband recently got the iPad 1. He doesn't need the camera and uses it for surfing, email, games. There doesn't seem to be a huge difference between his 1 and my 2. We bought both refurbished thru apple.

Tara

On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:18 AM, Alice <alicex@adventuresunderground.co.uk> wrote:

> I've ben trying to justify getting an iPad since they came out but just can.
>
> I have a Macbook Pro that desperately needs replacing (waiting for updates) and an iPhone 4. I love them both!
>
> If I had an iPad, I think the only new use for it would be reading comics and watching TV in the bath! comics on the iPhone are not great because of screen size and I wouldn't take my laptop in the bathroom.
>
> I would probably surf the web, email and play games if I had one but this can easily be done on my other devices.
>
> What I'm thinking is to get an iPad 1 off eBay as I've seen them go for about £120 which is OK.
>
> What are the main drawbacks to getting an iPad 1? Apart from camera (no need), battery, CPU speed (unless it's a real problem), weight, thickness etc. I'm mainly thinking software etc. Is there much I won't be able to do? Can it take the latest iOS?
>
> Anyone out there with an iPad 1? Let me know how it's holding up.
>
> Thanks
>
> Alice

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1e.

Re: Is it worth getting an iPad 1?

Posted by: "whiterabbit" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:39 pm (PDT)



I've had each of the ipads out. I'm now using the new iPad. When I got
the iPad 2 my hubby kept his original iPad. What he found was that every
iOS update made his iPad a bit slower and used more battery power. Also,
some apps, like iMovie werent able to be used because it needed a camera.
If you're going to be reading on you're iPad, the iPad 2 or later is much
nicer. The resolution on the ipad 2 is really nice for reading. The new
iPad is even nicer for reading. I have yet to find apps made for the new
iPad that won't work on the iPad 2.

I started with the original iPhone and found myself using it for all sorts
of things. I read on it, played games on it, read email on it, did just
about everything on it I could. I upgraded when the next version came out.
I'm up to the iPhone 4 now. When the original iPad came out, I got it.
There went the iPhone except for texting and using in the bath. I now use
the iPad for most things. It has a bigger screen that makes it much better
for web surfing and email answering. With the great apps out there for the
iPad, I can do enough within that I don't use wither of my macs much. Even
less since wifi syncing came out. I have yet to find a way to hook up and
actually use an external hard drive with the iPad, so I have an account
with Dropbox. You can get 2 gb free. I putndroobox on both of my
computers also. I use iCloud for my backups and also sync via wifi to my
computers.

The graphics are great on the new iPad. Hi res is great for watching tv and
videos. Reading is excellent, editing photos is great also.

Of you want a lightweight, very portable device to read and reply to emai,
save documents, play games, read, edit photos, surf the web, text and/or
use your social networks, the iPad is a great tool to do so. As I write
this, I'm in bed with mynipad on my lap. I can not say whether thenipad 2
or the new iPad is best for you. I can say that if you want to take
advantagenofnthe new apps coming out and want a hi-res screen the new iPad
is great. It does run a bit faster than the iPad 2 and it does have LTE if
you get the wifi/LTE new iPad. The iPad 2 has 3G only and wifi. The
original iPad has 3G also. The original iPad is a bit heavier and thicker.

The best thing about the iPad, I've found is that I'm not tied to my desk
anymore. Also, I do like the virtual keyboard of the iPad. I have more
room.

BTW, when I got the new iPad, my hubby took over my iPad 2. He loves it.
He likes the better screen and how much faster it is than his original
iPad.

I hope others will chime in and let you know how much or how little they
like their iPads. If you have the opportunity to compare the iPad 2 and
the new iPad side by side, do it. Its a great decision maker. Also, ask
the rep you talk to what the differences between the original iPad are vs
the other iPads. That can also be a decision maker.

On Thursday, April 12, 2012, Julie Goucher wrote:

> Hello Alice,
>
> I have my iPad 1 and like you debated should I, shouldn't I for ages. Then
> I bought one and decided to go with the 3G+WiFi 64GB and was delighted with
> it. It has really come into its own in the last 6 months as I have been
> ill with a bad back - walking upstairs, and I have lots of them, was
> tiresome and even though I have a laptop, which is portable, I like sitting
> at my desk with it.
>
> The iPad has been brilliant. I can read on it, although I do have a kindle.
> I can read, delete and reply to emails, blog and play some games - I like
> words for friends and the screen is a little small on my iPhone, although
> if I had my glasses on it might help! Not to mention Facebook, twitter. Do
> the Sainsburys grocery delivery. I love it!!
>
> I would recommend it and although I will probably update at some point, I
> am happy with my iPad 1 for now. Purchasing from eBay is OK. I would really
> look around for the best deal - the most flexibility and space the money
> can buy and pay via Paypal then you have at least the insurances for the
> purchase. What sort of capacity can you get for £120?
>
> Regards
> Julie (also in the UK!)
>
>
>
> On 12 April 2012 08:18, Alice <alicex@adventuresunderground.co.uk<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I've ben trying to justify getting an iPad since they came out but just
> > can.
> >
> > I have a Macbook Pro that desperately needs replacing (waiting for
> > updates) and an iPhone 4. I love them both!
> >
> > If I had an iPad, I think the only new use for it would be reading comics
> > and watching TV in the bath! comics on the iPhone are not great because
> of
> > screen size and I wouldn't take my laptop in the bathroom.
> >
> > I would probably surf the web, email and play games if I had one but this
> > can easily be done on my other devices.
> >
> > What I'm thinking is to get an iPad 1 off eBay as I've seen them go for
> > about £120 which is OK.
> >
> > What are the main drawbacks to getting an iPad 1? Apart from camera (no
> > need), battery, CPU speed (unless it's a real problem), weight, thickness
> > etc. I'm mainly thinking software etc. Is there much I won't be able to
> do?
> > Can it take the latest iOS?
> >
> > Anyone out there with an iPad 1? Let me know how it's holding up.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Alice
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: Is it worth getting an iPad 1?

Posted by: "whiterabbit" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:51 pm (PDT)



Julie, I have to disagree with you that there is no difference in iPads.
The biggest difference I see are speed and screen clarity. From the
original iPad to the iPad 2 I noticed the speed difference when editing
photos. Between the iPad 2 and the new iPad, I notice the speed difference
in everything I do on the new iPad. With screen clarity, I notice it most
looking at photos and reading. Anyway, it's just my opinion :-)

On Thursday, April 12, 2012, whiterabbit wrote:

> I've had each of the ipads out. I'm now using the new iPad. When I got
> the iPad 2 my hubby kept his original iPad. What he found was that every
> iOS update made his iPad a bit slower and used more battery power. Also,
> some apps, like iMovie werent able to be used because it needed a camera.
> If you're going to be reading on you're iPad, the iPad 2 or later is much
> nicer. The resolution on the ipad 2 is really nice for reading. The new
> iPad is even nicer for reading. I have yet to find apps made for the new
> iPad that won't work on the iPad 2.
>
> I started with the original iPhone and found myself using it for all sorts
> of things. I read on it, played games on it, read email on it, did just
> about everything on it I could. I upgraded when the next version came out.
> I'm up to the iPhone 4 now. When the original iPad came out, I got it.
> There went the iPhone except for texting and using in the bath. I now use
> the iPad for most things. It has a bigger screen that makes it much better
> for web surfing and email answering. With the great apps out there for the
> iPad, I can do enough within that I don't use wither of my macs much. Even
> less since wifi syncing came out. I have yet to find a way to hook up and
> actually use an external hard drive with the iPad, so I have an account
> with Dropbox. You can get 2 gb free. I putndroobox on both of my
> computers also. I use iCloud for my backups and also sync via wifi to my
> computers.
>
> The graphics are great on the new iPad. Hi res is great for watching tv
> and videos. Reading is excellent, editing photos is great also.
>
> Of you want a lightweight, very portable device to read and reply to emai,
> save documents, play games, read, edit photos, surf the web, text and/or
> use your social networks, the iPad is a great tool to do so. As I write
> this, I'm in bed with mynipad on my lap. I can not say whether thenipad 2
> or the new iPad is best for you. I can say that if you want to take
> advantagenofnthe new apps coming out and want a hi-res screen the new iPad
> is great. It does run a bit faster than the iPad 2 and it does have LTE if
> you get the wifi/LTE new iPad. The iPad 2 has 3G only and wifi. The
> original iPad has 3G also. The original iPad is a bit heavier and thicker.
>
> The best thing about the iPad, I've found is that I'm not tied to my desk
> anymore. Also, I do like the virtual keyboard of the iPad. I have more
> room.
>
> BTW, when I got the new iPad, my hubby took over my iPad 2. He loves it.
> He likes the better screen and how much faster it is than his original
> iPad.
>
> I hope others will chime in and let you know how much or how little they
> like their iPads. If you have the opportunity to compare the iPad 2 and
> the new iPad side by side, do it. Its a great decision maker. Also, ask
> the rep you talk to what the differences between the original iPad are vs
> the other iPads. That can also be a decision maker.
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2012, Julie Goucher wrote:
>
>> Hello Alice,
>>
>> I have my iPad 1 and like you debated should I, shouldn't I for ages. Then
>> I bought one and decided to go with the 3G+WiFi 64GB and was delighted
>> with
>> it. It has really come into its own in the last 6 months as I have been
>> ill with a bad back - walking upstairs, and I have lots of them, was
>> tiresome and even though I have a laptop, which is portable, I like
>> sitting
>> at my desk with it.
>>
>> The iPad has been brilliant. I can read on it, although I do have a
>> kindle.
>> I can read, delete and reply to emails, blog and play some games - I like
>> words for friends and the screen is a little small on my iPhone, although
>> if I had my glasses on it might help! Not to mention Facebook, twitter. Do
>> the Sainsburys grocery delivery. I love it!!
>>
>> I would recommend it and although I will probably update at some point, I
>> am happy with my iPad 1 for now. Purchasing from eBay is OK. I would
>> really
>> look around for the best deal - the most flexibility and space the money
>> can buy and pay via Paypal then you have at least the insurances for the
>> purchase. What sort of capacity can you get for £120?
>>
>> Regards
>> Julie (also in the UK!)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12 April 2012 08:18, Alice <alicex@adventuresunderground.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> >
>> > I've ben trying to justify getting an iPad since they came out but just
>> > can.
>> >
>> > I have a Macbook Pro that desperately needs replacing (waiting for
>> > updates) and an iPhone 4. I love them both!
>> >
>> > If I had an iPad, I think the only new use for it would be reading
>> comics
>> > and watching TV in the bath! comics on the iPhone are not great because
>> of
>> > screen size and I wouldn't take my laptop in the bathroom.
>> >
>> > I would probably surf the web, email and play games if I had one but
>> this
>> > can easily be done on my other devices.
>> >
>> > What I'm thinking is to get an iPad 1 off eBay as I've seen them go for
>> > about £120 which is OK.
>> >
>> > What are the main drawbacks to getting an iPad 1? Apart from camera (no
>> > need), battery, CPU speed (unless it's a real problem), weight,
>> thickness
>> > etc. I'm mainly thinking software etc. Is there much I won't be able to
>> do?
>> > Can it take the latest iOS?
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with an iPad 1? Let me know how it's holding up.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Alice
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>

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2a.

Not able to sync the ipad 2

Posted by: "meetheen" meetheen@gmail.com   meetheen

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:13 am (PDT)



I am not able to sync my ipad2. It keeps on re-starting while carrying out the syncing. How can I resolve?

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2b.

Re: Not able to sync the ipad 2

Posted by: "David Morganstein" drm0223@mac.com   drm0223

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:39 am (PDT)



Restore from back-up.

David

On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:00 AM, meetheen <meetheen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am not able to sync my ipad2. It keeps on re-starting while carrying out the syncing. How can I resolve?

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3a.

Re: Verizon to intro $30 upgrade fee on April 22nd

Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com   jonkreisler

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:13 am (PDT)



Just another way for Verizon to increase their profits at the expense of
consumers.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@gmail.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Seriously?
>
> Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Verizon to intro $30
> upgrade fee on April 22nd via BGR: The Three Biggest Letters In Tech by
> Zach Epstein on 4/11/12
>
> Verizon Wireless on Wednesday confirmed that it will soon begin
> charging subscribers a $30 upgrade fee when they purchase new wireless
> equipment on contract. Verizon is currently the only major carrier that
> does not charge customers a fee when upgrading their devices on a new
> two-year contract — AT&T and Sprint each charge customers $36 to
> upgrade to a new device on contract, and T-Mobile charges an $18
> upgrade fee. "On April 22, Verizon Wireless is implementing a $30
> upgrade fee for existing customers purchasing new mobile equipment at a
> discounted price with a two-year contract," the carrier said in a
> statement. "This fee will help us continue to provide customers with
> the level of service and support they have come to expect which
> includes Wireless Workshops, online educational tools, and
> consultations with experts who provide advice and guidance on devices
> that are more sophisticated than ever."
>
> Things you can do from here:
> - Subscribe to BGR: The Three Biggest Letters In Tech using Google
> Reader
> - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
> favorite sites
>
>

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Re: Verizon to intro $30 upgrade fee on April 22nd

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:08 am (PDT)



If am going to pay $18, $22, or $36 for absolutely no
reason, on top of spending $199, $299, or more if not eligible for full
discounts on a new phone and pay another fee just to activate it, the least
you could do is make sure you have enough activation servers to handle
launch day. This is an issue every year on iPhone and yet everyone pays
this fee so millions of users paying $18 or $36 every year for absolutely
no reason except to increase profits.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 21:46, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just another way for Verizon to increase their profits at the expense of
> consumers.
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Seriously?
> >
> > Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Verizon to intro $30
> > upgrade fee on April 22nd via BGR: The Three Biggest Letters In Tech by
> > Zach Epstein on 4/11/12
> >
> > Verizon Wireless on Wednesday confirmed that it will soon begin
> > charging subscribers a $30 upgrade fee when they purchase new wireless
> > equipment on contract. Verizon is currently the only major carrier that
> > does not charge customers a fee when upgrading their devices on a new
> > two-year contract — AT&T and Sprint each charge customers $36 to
> > upgrade to a new device on contract, and T-Mobile charges an $18
> > upgrade fee. "On April 22, Verizon Wireless is implementing a $30
> > upgrade fee for existing customers purchasing new mobile equipment at a
> > discounted price with a two-year contract," the carrier said in a
> > statement. "This fee will help us continue to provide customers with
> > the level of service and support they have come to expect which
> > includes Wireless Workshops, online educational tools, and
> > consultations with experts who provide advice and guidance on devices
> > that are more sophisticated than ever."
> >
> > Things you can do from here:
> > - Subscribe to BGR: The Three Biggest Letters In Tech using Google
> > Reader
> > - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
> > favorite sites

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iPhoto app

Posted by: "Allan" aaunkst@gmail.com   tama.drummer62

Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:32 am (PDT)



Started a journal using the new iPhone iPhoto app and used the setting to send them to the cloud but I can not find them anywhere when I went to my desktop.
Any idea where I would look?

Allan

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Re: iPhoto app

Posted by: "whiterabbit" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:03 pm (PDT)



If you are using a journal app that has a desktop counterpart and they
sync, you should see your journal entries in your desktop app. If you
aren't using an app with a desktop counterpart, you won't. They will only
be in the cloud. I use a journal app that doesn't have a desktop
counterpart and so I have to restore from the cloud when I start up a new
iPad or iPhone.

On Thursday, April 12, 2012, Allan wrote:

> **
>
>
> Started a journal using the new iPhone iPhoto app and used the setting to
> send them to the cloud but I can not find them anywhere when I went to my
> desktop.
> Any idea where I would look?
>
> Allan
>
>
>

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Re: iPhoto app

Posted by: "Allan" aaunkst@gmail.com   tama.drummer62

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:28 pm (PDT)



I thought the desktop counterpart would be iPhoto

Email sent by iphone 4 ðŸ'€

On Apr 12, 2012, at 15:03, whiterabbit <whiterabbit32@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you are using a journal app that has a desktop counterpart and they
> sync, you should see your journal entries in your desktop app. If you
> aren't using an app with a desktop counterpart, you won't. They will only
> be in the cloud. I use a journal app that doesn't have a desktop
> counterpart and so I have to restore from the cloud when I start up a new
> iPad or iPhone.
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2012, Allan wrote:
>
>> **
>> Started a journal using the new iPhone iPhoto app and used the setting to
>> send them to the cloud but I can not find them anywhere when I went to my
>> desktop.
>> Any idea where I would look?
>>
>> Allan

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Re: iPhoto app

Posted by: "lwr32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:08 pm (PDT)



iPhoto? That's for your pictures. Journals are like diaries. Maybe I misunderstood your question?

🐰 Alice

On Apr 12, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Allan <aaunkst@gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought the desktop counterpart would be iPhoto
>
> Email sent by iphone 4 ðŸ'€
>
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 15:03, whiterabbit <whiterabbit32@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you are using a journal app that has a desktop counterpart and they
> > sync, you should see your journal entries in your desktop app. If you
> > aren't using an app with a desktop counterpart, you won't. They will only
> > be in the cloud. I use a journal app that doesn't have a desktop
> > counterpart and so I have to restore from the cloud when I start up a new
> > iPad or iPhone.
> >
> > On Thursday, April 12, 2012, Allan wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >> Started a journal using the new iPhone iPhoto app and used the setting to
> >> send them to the cloud but I can not find them anywhere when I went to my
> >> desktop.
> >> Any idea where I would look?
> >>
> >> Allan
>

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Re: Carriers agree to disable stolen phones for good

Posted by: "Mike Rodgers" mikerodgerske5gbc@yahoo.com   mikerodgerske5gbc

Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:25 am (PDT)



Could be wrong but my understanding is they are looking at a way to give each phone a personal ID like computers have their own signature.

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Re: Carriers agree to disable stolen phones for good

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:07 am (PDT)



Mike each cell phone already has a unique ID, it is call the IMEI number. And other than some rumored knock-off phones, each one is unique.

(Seems like more work to clone an IMEI number than to issue a new one, but then they're crooks, so who knows.)

On Apr 12, 2012, at 7:22 AM, Mike Rodgers wrote:

> Could be wrong but my understanding is they are looking at a way to give each phone a personal ID like computers have their own signature.

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Re: How do I unlock a locked iPhone? Restore?

Posted by: "Mike Rodgers" mikerodgerske5gbc@yahoo.com   mikerodgerske5gbc

Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:26 am (PDT)



Locked usually refers to the carrier to keep you from jumping to another carrier.

There may be some info on the " today in iPhone" podcast website. Google should get you there.

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AT&T unlock -They are clueless....

Posted by: "jparkerg@yahoo.com" jparkerg@yahoo.com   jparkerg

Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:57 am (PDT)



I took an out of contract iPhone to my local (corporate) AT&T store and asked about unlocking. They looked confused and said that they'd heard that something might be coming soon bit in the meantime they knew nothing about unlocking.

I still waiting for them to catch up with the AT&T communications. Yes, I know that there are directions to do it online but I thought I'd give to local store a shot.
No dice.

John

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Re: AT&T unlock -They are clueless....

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:27 am (PDT)



I didn't see your post while I was writing my experiences.

Subject line: unlocking an AT&T iPhone

I did it, but it took an hour and a half on the phone and about 2 hours to complete the restore with iTunes.

Brent

On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:53 AM, jparkerg@yahoo.com wrote:

> I took an out of contract iPhone to my local (corporate) AT&T store and asked about unlocking. They looked confused and said that they'd heard that something might be coming soon bit in the meantime they knew nothing about unlocking.
>
> I still waiting for them to catch up with the AT&T communications. Yes, I know that there are directions to do it online but I thought I'd give to local store a shot.
> No dice.

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unlocking an AT&T iPhone

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:08 am (PDT)



Well, I got it done! My AT&T 3GS iPhone is officially and legitimately unlocked, without jail-breaking.

And that is the short story.

The long story, I waited until Tuesday, and it took an hour and 32 minutes on the phone with AT&T Customer Service(?).

I first looked at their web site and could find no information about the new policy, so as I expected, they had not informed their employees. The gal tried to fit me into the past (box) policy, which required that I pay the "full" price without a subsidy. I explained to her that in 2009, there was only one price and it requires a 2-year contract with AT&T. Well, I was required to fax them a copy of the receipt, but funny she had all the information on what to include on the coversheet, but had to go looking elsewhere to find the fax phone number. I played along while I looked for the nearly 3-year old receipt. Some of the problem was although they can see the IMEI number of the phone on the account, the phone number on the account is confusing them. I ported over a number from another state to it, and I bought it from Apple since they couldn't keep them in stock.

I asked her if we were required to have a data plan with the iPhone, why I could not email in a scan of the receipt. I have not faxed anything in over 4 years. I'd have to go to Kinko's to fax it.

I had to fax in the receipt, with the case number she never gave me to have another department, that I could not call directly, to get their approval in a few days (possibly 8 days).

Then after talking to someone else, she found out there was a new procedure and that she had to transfer me to Tech Support, who again I could not call directly. Nice thing about it, they have changed another policy. She had to talk to TS before she could release my call and go on to another call. So every 5 minutes or so, on hold, she would check in with me. Nice to know that their employees are not getting a taste of the real wait times. If only management would learn.

So after an hour and 27 minutes, I am put through to Tech Support. Who already can see all the information and thought I had the IMEI memorized. I told her, just a moment, let me look it up. After confirming the number, she told me that she would forward the approval to Apple and then read off the steps for me to unlock the iPhone. I asked if they were going to send me an email with instructions, and she said no. I never did receive any written instructions. She said it could take up to a few days for Apple to send the change to my phone. AT&T is supposedly going to check with me to see if it worked in 48 hours. She cautioned me it might take several hours to complete the process.

I waited about 45 minutes and then sync'd, backed up and then restored by iPhone while connected by cable to iTunes. It did not unlock it on the first attempt. It did unlock it on the second attempt. After restoring it to factory setting, it gave me a quick screen saying it was unlocked. Then it began a third restore, restoring all my stuff, including my docs for other apps, photos, and SMS messages. This took nearly 2 hours.

I can find no indication that the phone is unlocked, and I don't have another providers SIM card to verify it. So you do have to watch the screen while it is restoring.

The moral of the story, AT&T is performing with their normal lack of efficiency. Service times and wait times are long, AT&T employees are uninformed, and each person you speak to, is on a different page.

(Hey, AT&T, if you are listening, if you had each CS and TS employee read an email or memo when they come on, before they start answering the phones, and your efficiency would increase dramatically. Not to mention customer appreciation. Remember, you are paying for the 611 call and the employee wages while they assist me. She shorter the call the more efficient they are and possibly lower the overtime.)

Brent

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Re: unlocking an AT&T iPhone

Posted by: "whiterabbit" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:30 am (PDT)



That's why I don't deal with AT&T unless I have to. All my iPhone/iPad
problems go through Apple. When I purchased my new iPad, I ordered online.
Any time I want to connect via 3G, I set it up via the iPad and all is
fine. Haven't been into an AT&T store in years.

It's up to AT&T to keep their employees informed and up to date. Having
worked for att's landline crevice, I know that "personal knowledge" is
something employees can use if they are absolutely sure it's correct
information. If they are wrong, they canbe sever,y punished. Therefore,
most employees won't go out on a limb for any customer. AT&T works on the
policy of "need to know" and what they think their employees "need to know"
is less than what they REALLY "need to know". It's a sad situation but
that's the way of big business these days.

On Thursday, April 12, 2012, N.A. Nada wrote:

> **
>
>
> Well, I got it done! My AT&T 3GS iPhone is officially and legitimately
> unlocked, without jail-breaking.
>
> And that is the short story.
>
> The long story, I waited until Tuesday, and it took an hour and 32 minutes
> on the phone with AT&T Customer Service(?).
>
> I first looked at their web site and could find no information about the
> new policy, so as I expected, they had not informed their employees. The
> gal tried to fit me into the past (box) policy, which required that I pay
> the "full" price without a subsidy. I explained to her that in 2009, there
> was only one price and it requires a 2-year contract with AT&T. Well, I was
> required to fax them a copy of the receipt, but funny she had all the
> information on what to include on the coversheet, but had to go looking
> elsewhere to find the fax phone number. I played along while I looked for
> the nearly 3-year old receipt. Some of the problem was although they can
> see the IMEI number of the phone on the account, the phone number on the
> account is confusing them. I ported over a number from another state to it,
> and I bought it from Apple since they couldn't keep them in stock.
>
> I asked her if we were required to have a data plan with the iPhone, why I
> could not email in a scan of the receipt. I have not faxed anything in over
> 4 years. I'd have to go to Kinko's to fax it.
>
> I had to fax in the receipt, with the case number she never gave me to
> have another department, that I could not call directly, to get their
> approval in a few days (possibly 8 days).
>
> Then after talking to someone else, she found out there was a new
> procedure and that she had to transfer me to Tech Support, who again I
> could not call directly. Nice thing about it, they have changed another
> policy. She had to talk to TS before she could release my call and go on to
> another call. So every 5 minutes or so, on hold, she would check in with
> me. Nice to know that their employees are not getting a taste of the real
> wait times. If only management would learn.
>
> So after an hour and 27 minutes, I am put through to Tech Support. Who
> already can see all the information and thought I had the IMEI memorized. I
> told her, just a moment, let me look it up. After confirming the number,
> she told me that she would forward the approval to Apple and then read off
> the steps for me to unlock the iPhone. I asked if they were going to send
> me an email with instructions, and she said no. I never did receive any
> written instructions. She said it could take up to a few days for Apple to
> send the change to my phone. AT&T is supposedly going to check with me to
> see if it worked in 48 hours. She cautioned me it might take several hours
> to complete the process.
>
> I waited about 45 minutes and then sync'd, backed up and then restored by
> iPhone while connected by cable to iTunes. It did not unlock it on the
> first attempt. It did unlock it on the second attempt. After restoring it
> to factory setting, it gave me a quick screen saying it was unlocked. Then
> it began a third restore, restoring all my stuff, including my docs for
> other apps, photos, and SMS messages. This took nearly 2 hours.
>
> I can find no indication that the phone is unlocked, and I don't have
> another providers SIM card to verify it. So you do have to watch the screen
> while it is restoring.
>
> The moral of the story, AT&T is performing with their normal lack of
> efficiency. Service times and wait times are long, AT&T employees are
> uninformed, and each person you speak to, is on a different page.
>
> (Hey, AT&T, if you are listening, if you had each CS and TS employee read
> an email or memo when they come on, before they start answering the phones,
> and your efficiency would increase dramatically. Not to mention customer
> appreciation. Remember, you are paying for the 611 call and the employee
> wages while they assist me. She shorter the call the more efficient they
> are and possibly lower the overtime.)
>
> Brent
>
>
>

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Re: unlocking an AT&T iPhone

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:28 pm (PDT)



Well, Alice, Apple can not unlock my phone without AT&T's approval first, and no other carrier can unlock an AT&T iPhone.

And I have a little secret for you, the other carriers are just as bad.

I was with Verizon for 6 years before switching. Same with the banks. I used to have to deal with BoA on commercial accounts all over California. And as I was working out the issues with each different branch, I would watch customers storm out and open an account with the bank across the street, as one of their customers would be coming into BoA to do the same. Deal with it.

BTW, did you read my last paragraph? I already knew AT&T is horrible about disseminating information to the employees that need it. Hell, you should have tried to deal with them when they broke up Ma Bell. I needed a business line, a data line and pay phones and no one what their own division did, let alone the other divisions after the break up. I thought I was on a tilt-and-whirl.

Or more to the point, it is possible to unlock the iPhone, but you have to be p_a_t_i_e_n_t. I patiently held up a CS rep 1.5 hours, because she was not allowed to leave me until a TS became available.

Brent

On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:30 AM, whiterabbit wrote:

> That's why I don't deal with AT&T unless I have to. All my iPhone/iPad
> problems go through Apple. When I purchased my new iPad, I ordered online.
> Any time I want to connect via 3G, I set it up via the iPad and all is
> fine. Haven't been into an AT&T store in years.
>
> It's up to AT&T to keep their employees informed and up to date. Having
> worked for att's landline crevice, I know that "personal knowledge" is
> something employees can use if they are absolutely sure it's correct
> information. If they are wrong, they canbe sever,y punished. Therefore,
> most employees won't go out on a limb for any customer. AT&T works on the
> policy of "need to know" and what they think their employees "need to know"
> is less than what they REALLY "need to know". It's a sad situation but
> that's the way of big business these days.
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2012, N.A. Nada wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Well, I got it done! My AT&T 3GS iPhone is officially and legitimately
>> unlocked, without jail-breaking.
>>
>> And that is the short story.
>>
>> The long story, I waited until Tuesday, and it took an hour and 32 minutes
>> on the phone with AT&T Customer Service(?).
>>
>> I first looked at their web site and could find no information about the
>> new policy, so as I expected, they had not informed their employees. The
>> gal tried to fit me into the past (box) policy, which required that I pay
>> the "full" price without a subsidy. I explained to her that in 2009, there
>> was only one price and it requires a 2-year contract with AT&T. Well, I was
>> required to fax them a copy of the receipt, but funny she had all the
>> information on what to include on the coversheet, but had to go looking
>> elsewhere to find the fax phone number. I played along while I looked for
>> the nearly 3-year old receipt. Some of the problem was although they can
>> see the IMEI number of the phone on the account, the phone number on the
>> account is confusing them. I ported over a number from another state to it,
>> and I bought it from Apple since they couldn't keep them in stock.
>>
>> I asked her if we were required to have a data plan with the iPhone, why I
>> could not email in a scan of the receipt. I have not faxed anything in over
>> 4 years. I'd have to go to Kinko's to fax it.
>>
>> I had to fax in the receipt, with the case number she never gave me to
>> have another department, that I could not call directly, to get their
>> approval in a few days (possibly 8 days).
>>
>> Then after talking to someone else, she found out there was a new
>> procedure and that she had to transfer me to Tech Support, who again I
>> could not call directly. Nice thing about it, they have changed another
>> policy. She had to talk to TS before she could release my call and go on to
>> another call. So every 5 minutes or so, on hold, she would check in with
>> me. Nice to know that their employees are not getting a taste of the real
>> wait times. If only management would learn.
>>
>> So after an hour and 27 minutes, I am put through to Tech Support. Who
>> already can see all the information and thought I had the IMEI memorized. I
>> told her, just a moment, let me look it up. After confirming the number,
>> she told me that she would forward the approval to Apple and then read off
>> the steps for me to unlock the iPhone. I asked if they were going to send
>> me an email with instructions, and she said no. I never did receive any
>> written instructions. She said it could take up to a few days for Apple to
>> send the change to my phone. AT&T is supposedly going to check with me to
>> see if it worked in 48 hours. She cautioned me it might take several hours
>> to complete the process.
>>
>> I waited about 45 minutes and then sync'd, backed up and then restored by
>> iPhone while connected by cable to iTunes. It did not unlock it on the
>> first attempt. It did unlock it on the second attempt. After restoring it
>> to factory setting, it gave me a quick screen saying it was unlocked. Then
>> it began a third restore, restoring all my stuff, including my docs for
>> other apps, photos, and SMS messages. This took nearly 2 hours.
>>
>> I can find no indication that the phone is unlocked, and I don't have
>> another providers SIM card to verify it. So you do have to watch the screen
>> while it is restoring.
>>
>> The moral of the story, AT&T is performing with their normal lack of
>> efficiency. Service times and wait times are long, AT&T employees are
>> uninformed, and each person you speak to, is on a different page.
>>
>> (Hey, AT&T, if you are listening, if you had each CS and TS employee read
>> an email or memo when they come on, before they start answering the phones,
>> and your efficiency would increase dramatically. Not to mention customer
>> appreciation. Remember, you are paying for the 611 call and the employee
>> wages while they assist me. She shorter the call the more efficient they
>> are and possibly lower the overtime.)
>>
>> Brent

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Re: unlocking an AT&T iPhone

Posted by: "whiterabbit" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:03 pm (PDT)



Yes, I know the other carriers are just as bad. That is why I try not to
deal with them unless it's an email. I started working for Pacific Bell 6
mo before they changed their name to SBC. Then they changed their name to
AT&T. From the time Texas took over Pacific Bell, things got worse and
worse for the customer as well as the employee. I no longer work for the
company. It's a shame the phone companies can't or won't treat their
customers and employees as Apple does. They don't have to. They know
people put up with it because, let's face it, where would they go.

On Thursday, April 12, 2012, N.A. Nada wrote:

> **
>
>
> Well, Alice, Apple can not unlock my phone without AT&T's approval first,
> and no other carrier can unlock an AT&T iPhone.
>
> And I have a little secret for you, the other carriers are just as bad.
>
> I was with Verizon for 6 years before switching. Same with the banks. I
> used to have to deal with BoA on commercial accounts all over California.
> And as I was working out the issues with each different branch, I would
> watch customers storm out and open an account with the bank across the
> street, as one of their customers would be coming into BoA to do the same.
> Deal with it.
>
> BTW, did you read my last paragraph? I already knew AT&T is horrible about
> disseminating information to the employees that need it. Hell, you should
> have tried to deal with them when they broke up Ma Bell. I needed a
> business line, a data line and pay phones and no one what their own
> division did, let alone the other divisions after the break up. I thought I
> was on a tilt-and-whirl.
>
> Or more to the point, it is possible to unlock the iPhone, but you have to
> be p_a_t_i_e_n_t. I patiently held up a CS rep 1.5 hours, because she was
> not allowed to leave me until a TS became available.
>
> Brent
>
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:30 AM, whiterabbit wrote:
>
> > That's why I don't deal with AT&T unless I have to. All my iPhone/iPad
> > problems go through Apple. When I purchased my new iPad, I ordered
> online.
> > Any time I want to connect via 3G, I set it up via the iPad and all is
> > fine. Haven't been into an AT&T store in years.
> >
> > It's up to AT&T to keep their employees informed and up to date. Having
> > worked for att's landline crevice, I know that "personal knowledge" is
> > something employees can use if they are absolutely sure it's correct
> > information. If they are wrong, they canbe sever,y punished. Therefore,
> > most employees won't go out on a limb for any customer. AT&T works on the
> > policy of "need to know" and what they think their employees "need to
> know"
> > is less than what they REALLY "need to know". It's a sad situation but
> > that's the way of big business these days.
> >
> > On Thursday, April 12, 2012, N.A. Nada wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, I got it done! My AT&T 3GS iPhone is officially and legitimately
> >> unlocked, without jail-breaking.
> >>
> >> And that is the short story.
> >>
> >> The long story, I waited until Tuesday, and it took an hour and 32
> minutes
> >> on the phone with AT&T Customer Service(?).
> >>
> >> I first looked at their web site and could find no information about the
> >> new policy, so as I expected, they had not informed their employees. The
> >> gal tried to fit me into the past (box) policy, which required that I
> pay
> >> the "full" price without a subsidy. I explained to her that in 2009,
> there
> >> was only one price and it requires a 2-year contract with AT&T. Well, I
> was
> >> required to fax them a copy of the receipt, but funny she had all the
> >> information on what to include on the coversheet, but had to go looking
> >> elsewhere to find the fax phone number. I played along while I looked
> for
> >> the nearly 3-year old receipt. Some of the problem was although they can
> >> see the IMEI number of the phone on the account, the phone number on the
> >> account is confusing them. I ported over a number from another state to
> it,
> >> and I bought it from Apple since they couldn't keep them in stock.
> >>
> >> I asked her if we were required to have a data plan with the iPhone,
> why I
> >> could not email in a scan of the receipt. I have not faxed anything in
> over
> >> 4 years. I'd have to go to Kinko's to fax it.
> >>
> >> I had to fax in the receipt, with the case number she never gave me to
> >> have another department, that I could not call directly, to get their
> >> approval in a few days (possibly 8 days).
> >>
> >> Then after talking to someone else, she found out there was a new
> >> procedure and that she had to transfer me to Tech Support, who again I
> >> could not call directly. Nice thing about it, they have changed another
> >> policy. She had to talk to TS before she could release my call and go
> on to
> >> another call. So every 5 minutes or so, on hold, she would check in with
> >> me. Nice to know that their employees are not getting a taste of the
> real
> >> wait times. If only management would learn.
> >>
> >> So after an hour and 27 minutes, I am put through to Tech Support. Who
> >> already can see all the information and thought I had the IMEI
> memorized. I
> >> told her, just a moment, let me look it up. After confirming the number,
> >> she told me that she would forward the approval to Apple and then read
> off
> >> the steps for me to unlock the iPhone. I asked if they were going to
> send
> >> me an email with instructions, and she said no. I never did receive any
> >> written instructions. She said it could take up to a few days for Apple
> to
> >> send the change to my phone. AT&T is supposedly going to check with me
> to
> >> see if it worked in 48 hours. She cautioned me it might take several
> hours
> >> to complete the process.
> >>
> >> I waited about 45 minutes and then sync'd, backed up and then restored
> by
> >> iPhone while connected by cable to iTunes. It did not unlock it on the
> >> first attempt. It did unlock it on the second attempt. After restoring
> it
> >> to factory setting, it gave me a quick screen saying it was unlocked.
> Then
> >> it began a third restore, restoring all my stuff, including my docs for
> >> other apps, photos, and SMS messages. This took nearly 2 hours.
> >>
> >> I can find no indication that the phone is unlocked, and I don't have
> >> another providers SIM card to verify it. So you do have to watch the
> screen
> >> while it is restoring.
> >>
> >> The moral of the story, AT&T is performing with their normal lack of
> >> efficiency. Service times and wait times are long, AT&T employees are
> >> uninformed, and each person you speak to, is on a different page.
> >>
> >> (Hey, AT&T, if you are listening, if you had each CS and TS employee
> read
> >> an email or memo when they come on, before they start answering the
> phones,
> >> and your efficiency would increase dramatically. Not to mention customer
> >> appreciation. Remember, you are paying for the 611 call and the employee
> >> wages while they assist me. She shorter the call the more efficient they
> >> are and possibly lower the overtime.)
> >>
> >> Brent
>
>

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Re: unlocking an AT&T iPhone

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:20 pm (PDT)




On Apr 12, 2012, at 1:03 PM, whiterabbit wrote:

> Yes, I know the other carriers are just as bad. That is why I try not to
> deal with them unless it's an email. I started working for Pacific Bell 6
> mo before they changed their name to SBC. Then they changed their name to
> AT&T. From the time Texas took over Pacific Bell, things got worse and
> worse for the customer as well as the employee. I no longer work for the
> company. It's a shame the phone companies can't or won't treat their
> customers and employees as Apple does. They don't have to. They know
> people put up with it because, let's face it, where would they go.

And they wonder why landlines are being dropped.

Verizon just announced that you could not get DSL unless you had a landline bundled with it. Why? Just a way to charge for a service you won't use.

How many people realized that they could even get a dry-loop DSL line?

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Re: unlocking an AT&T iPhone

Posted by: "lwr32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:22 pm (PDT)



Landlines are being dropped because cellphones can be taken anywhere. MService is just as bad but people are willing to put up with it.

🐰 Alice

On Apr 12, 2012, at 1:17 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 1:03 PM, whiterabbit wrote:
>
> > Yes, I know the other carriers are just as bad. That is why I try not to
> > deal with them unless it's an email. I started working for Pacific Bell 6
> > mo before they changed their name to SBC. Then they changed their name to
> > AT&T. From the time Texas took over Pacific Bell, things got worse and
> > worse for the customer as well as the employee. I no longer work for the
> > company. It's a shame the phone companies can't or won't treat their
> > customers and employees as Apple does. They don't have to. They know
> > people put up with it because, let's face it, where would they go.
>
> And they wonder why landlines are being dropped.
>
> Verizon just announced that you could not get DSL unless you had a landline bundled with it. Why? Just a way to charge for a service you won't use.
>
> How many people realized that they could even get a dry-loop DSL line?
>

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