Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Monitor for system 9.1 From: Tod Hopkins
- 1b.
- Re: Monitor for system 9.1 From: Harry Flaxman
- 2.1.
- Re: Another Java Update For Flashback Trojan From: Daly Jessup
- 2.2.
- Re: Another Java Update For Flashback Trojan From: paul smith
- 3a.
- Re: Resetting startup disk From: Daly Jessup
- 3b.
- Re: Resetting startup disk From: Andrew Buc
- 3c.
- Re: Resetting startup disk From: Andrew Buc
- 3d.
- Re: Resetting startup disk From: Otto Nikolaus
- 4.1.
- Re: Terminal From: Daly Jessup
- 4.2.
- Re: Terminal From: luvtoso
- 4.3.
- Re: Terminal From: OldTechie
- 5.
- How access printer from Terminal From: Jim
- 6a.
- How to tell which apps use Java? From: N.A. Nada
- 6b.
- Re: How to tell which apps use Java? From: N.A. Nada
- 6c.
- Re: How to tell which apps use Java? From: Dane Reugger
- 6d.
- Re: How to tell which apps use Java? From: Harry Flaxman
- 6e.
- Re: How to tell which apps use Java? From: N.A. Nada
- 6f.
- Re: How to tell which apps use Java? From: Dane Reugger
- 6g.
- Re: How to tell which apps use Java? From: Michael P. Stupinski
- 6h.
- Re: How to tell which apps use Java? From: Dane Reugger
- 7a.
- iPad 3 Display vs iPad2 From: Robert
- 7b.
- Re: iPad 3 Display vs iPad2 From: paul smith
- 8a.
- Saving GraphihcConverter JPG balloons file size? From: DaveC
- 8b.
- Re: Saving GraphihcConverter JPG balloons file size? From: Barry Austern
- 8c.
- Re: Saving GraphihcConverter JPG balloons file size? From: paul smith
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: Monitor for system 9.1
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Sat Apr 7, 2012 5:56 am (PDT)
I'm pretty sure I used standard VGA monitors with my G3's. They might have been RGB. Is that what you were using? VGA is the rectangular 15-pin connector, generally blue "inside" the connection. RGB will be three to five separate "bnc" connection, probably labeled R,G,B,H,and V. In any case, all you need is the right adapter from G3 to VGA, though maybe G3 used VGA, I don't remember.
You can pick VGA CRT's up for nothing, or next to nothing all over the place. Freecycle, Goodwill, Salvation Army. No one wants their old CRT's.
Cheers,
tod
On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:21 PM, FredPolka wrote:
> Hallo,
> this may sound crazy, but I still have a functional Mac G3 with system 9.1 from which I do my music arranging. Recently, the monitor "died" and the local Apple store was unable to test it to find out what happened.
> Anyway, does anyone know where I can find a monitor that can work with MAC OS 9.1. None of the new monitors are compatibile.
> Just for the record, I do have two newer G5's with 10.5.8 and 10.6.8. I'm just afraid to upgrade the program where I do the music arranging and all the files were done in system 9.1.
> Please send suggestions to my E-mail
>
> Fred Ziwich
> North Olmsted, Oh
> FredPolka@yahoo.com
>
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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- 1b.
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Re: Monitor for system 9.1
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com hflaxman001
Sat Apr 7, 2012 6:16 am (PDT)
On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:21 PM, FredPolka wrote:
> Hallo,
> this may sound crazy, but I still have a functional Mac G3 with system 9.1 from which I do my music arranging. Recently, the monitor "died" and the local Apple store was unable to test it to find out what happened.
> Anyway, does anyone know where I can find a monitor that can work with MAC OS 9.1. None of the new monitors are compatibile.
> Just for the record, I do have two newer G5's with 10.5.8 and 10.6.8. I'm just afraid to upgrade the program where I do the music arranging and all the files were done in system 9.1.
> Please send suggestions to my E-mail
Take a look see here and see if it helps:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >Power_Macintosh_ G3
These machines were not standard as far as the display port goes.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@me.com
- 2.1.
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Re: Another Java Update For Flashback Trojan
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Sat Apr 7, 2012 6:40 am (PDT)
On Apr 7, 2012, at 4:35 AM, luvtoso wrote:
> When I open my Terminal app the window is a white background. Isn't it usually a black background?????
I think it used to be. But mine is now white. I like it. I think it looks less intimidating. ;-)
Daly
- 2.2.
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Re: Another Java Update For Flashback Trojan
Posted by: "paul smith" kullervo@nycap.rr.com waldonny
Sat Apr 7, 2012 3:10 pm (PDT)
Mine is a transparent black with neon green print. Why? Because I like the way it looks, and I can read commands in tech articles right through it. ;)
--
PSmith
MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM, OS 10.7.3 iPhone 4S 64 GB, iOS
5.1
On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
I think it used to be. But mine is now white. I like it. I think it looks less intimidating. ;-)
- 3a.
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Re: Resetting startup disk
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Sat Apr 7, 2012 6:49 am (PDT)
On Apr 6, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Barry Austern wrote:
>
> In that case the problem is not hardware, nor is it software. If all
> the partitions show up then they are good volumes, but to prove it
> you can check them all with Disk Utility or some such program. I
> suspect that you failed to check some check box in SuperDuper. I am
> not familiar with that program, using CCC, though. CCC is free, so
> you might want to download it and try it.
Just a comment, but SuperDuper is also free if you can skip "advanced" features like scripting, scheduling, and smart updates.
I looked in SuperDuper's FAQs and found this about clones not booting. I don't know if any of this applies in this case at all, but have a look:
from Dave Nanian:
"First, I'm assuming that you made a full "Backup - all files" (or a Sandbox) with either Erase, then copy or Smart Update. Copy newer and Copy different do not guarantee bootability, and should not be used for bootable copies.
"Given that, the answer to this is easy for USB drives used with Power PC Macs: Power PC Macintosh computers don't support booting from USB, whether USB 1 or 2. No program can create a bootable USB volume for Power PC Macintoshes at this time. Intel Macs, however, work fine with USB 2 drives.
"FireWire drives are trickier. Some FireWire drives do not support booting Macintosh computers, even though this isn't indicated on the packaging. In fact, many drives indicate they're Mac-compatible, even though they don't support booting.
"In general, we recommend sticking with one of the major Mac-friendly manufacturers such as OWC, WiebeTech, LaCie and Maxtor. They work hard to ensure their drives are fully compatible, and traditionally do extensive testing with current Mac hardware.
"The most important thing is to have an Oxford-based FireWire bridge chipset. Prolific and Initio "Oxford compatible" chipsets often have problems with OSX, both when copying and trying to boot.
"Finally, since some release of 10.4 after 10.4.0, probably right around the time Boot Camp came out, Disk Utility started being able to format a partition as HFS+, even though the underlying partition scheme is Master Boot Record (Windows).
"Macs cannot start up from volumes that are partitioned with Master Boot Record, regardless of chip. So, make sure your external drives are partitioned with APM (if you want them to work with both Intel and Power PC Macs) or GUID (if you're only working with Intel)."
Daly
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Re: Resetting startup disk
Posted by: "Andrew Buc" andrewbuc@staxman.net andrewbuc
Sat Apr 7, 2012 7:02 am (PDT)
On Apr 7, 2012, at 3:08 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
> sometimes, removing the external disk improperly can lead to the
> disk not showing up on the desktop.
> one solution that has worked for me is to run DW.
I take it you mean Disk Warrior? I have that and will give it a try,
thanks.
- 3c.
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Re: Resetting startup disk
Posted by: "Andrew Buc" andrewbuc@staxman.net andrewbuc
Sat Apr 7, 2012 7:04 am (PDT)
On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
> I looked in SuperDuper's FAQs and found this about clones not
> booting. I don't know if any of this applies in this case at all,
> but have a look:
I don't think it applies in this case, as I've been successfully
booting from this drive for a few months, until now. But thanks for
the suggestions.
- 3d.
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Re: Resetting startup disk
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Sat Apr 7, 2012 4:50 pm (PDT)
On 7 April 2012 03:32, Andrew Buc <andrewbuc@staxman.net > wrote:
>
> A bit more info, which maybe I should have given earlier: it's a
> single physical volume, but with 5 partitions, each holding a clone.
> Every time I make a clone, I wipe out the oldest previous clone. All
> 5 partitions show on the desktop, but option-key boot doesn't show
> any of them. It's 7:30 p.m. my time, and the drive is in my safe
> deposit box, but I could get it out tomorrow.
>
I think we need more info. You have an external drive with 5 partitions?
(OS X sees partitions as separate *volumes* so it helps to be careful with
terminology.)
Obvious first step: with the Mac running from the internal drive and the
external connected, go to System Preferences > Startup Disk. Do *any* of
the 5 show as bootable volumes?
If none do, there's a problem with the drive (or cable). If some do and
some don't, clearly there's a problem with those particular clones, and not
with the whole drive.
How big are the partitions, and is there enough free space to boot from
them?
Otto
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- 4.1.
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Re: Terminal
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Sat Apr 7, 2012 6:57 am (PDT)
On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:04 AM, luvtoso wrote:
> Hmmm well I'm not sure how the background got changed because I never did it.
> One more question I thought the window was usually blank but it's not.
> It has written--Last login: Sat Apr 7 ( then the time) The next line has my name and iMac
> I'm assuming that is the time I went on my puter this morning.
>
> I never bother with Terminal because I don't know anything about it. I was considering running the test for the Flash virsus which is why I opened it.
What you are seeing is normal. Terminal can be your friend.
In the case of these five commands that are to be run, just do this (it can't hurt anything):
Open Terminal.
Copy the first of the five commands.
Paste it into Terminal just after the dollar sign that follows your user name (the "prompt").
Hit Return.
Assuming the resulting message tells you that the file does not exist, copy the second of the five commands, paste it in Terminal after the prompt, hit Return.
And so on, until you have tested all five commands.
Quit Terminal.
The five commands are on the page Randy Singer sent, almost half way down the page:
<http://tidbits.com/article/ >12918
Daly
- 4.2.
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Re: Terminal
Posted by: "luvtoso" luvtoso@verizon.net luvtoso@verizon.net
Sat Apr 7, 2012 7:35 am (PDT)
Yes, I was going to run the check for the trojan.
Thanks
Gayle
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Re: Terminal
Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com jimpurcell2001
Sat Apr 7, 2012 11:57 am (PDT)
What is hard for me to figure is how the window opened blank. What comes
to mind is that you managed to press some keys that somehow caused that
to happen.
Jim
>That's a normal startup message from Terminal.
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How access printer from Terminal
Posted by: "Jim" oldtechie@wi.rr.com jimpurcell2001
Sat Apr 7, 2012 8:08 am (PDT)
I'm practicing with terminal,I have a big book on terminal for the MAC
I have come to the LPR filename cmd, but term doesn't know where ny Mac printer is.
Jim
- 6a.
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How to tell which apps use Java?
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sat Apr 7, 2012 10:58 am (PDT)
Ok, with all this excitement going around, I would like to know how to determine which applications use Java?
Other than turning off Java and then finding a particular app does not work, is there a simple way to find this out? System Information or System Profiler don't show this information.
Unfortunately, I chose a password safe that uses Java, Callpod Keeper.
Which I find surprising, since it was rumored that on 21 October 2010, at
http://www.neowin.net/news/ mac-app-store- will-reject- java-apps- other-rules- leaked
"An Apple employee has leaked the new rules for app consideration in the OS X App Store, and a certain popular software platform is about to feel very left out. According to PC Pro, the document clearly states that apps using "deprecated or optionally-installed technologies" will be rejected from the App Store. Java is an optionally installed technology, so it looks like Java programmers are out of luck when it comes to OS X software design. New apps aren't going to be the only victims of this edict either."
Again that was a rumor, and Apple has released two Java updates and Callpod Keeper is offered currently in the Mac App Store. Java is apparently an optional install in 10.7, but I upgraded from 10.6 where installation was still default.
Brent
- 6b.
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Re: How to tell which apps use Java?
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sat Apr 7, 2012 1:13 pm (PDT)
Wow, that got a fast reply on the Apple Discussions.
Since I am not fluent in Terminal command, I will refer you to the discussion there.
https://discussions.apple.com/ thread/3859972
Got my answer and now I know which developers to start bugging.
Brent
On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:58 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Ok, with all this excitement going around, I would like to know how to determine which applications use Java?
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Re: How to tell which apps use Java?
Posted by: "Dane Reugger" dane@downtownpc.com dar2112
Sat Apr 7, 2012 2:38 pm (PDT)
Many things Adobe use Java - including the CS suites. Also some parts of
OpenOffice / Libre uses it. I think logmein.com, Filemaker Server (Web
based administration), etc. Lost of stuff both desktop and web use Java. I
think it's past it's peak but it's still a lot of places.
-Dane
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> his out? System Information or System Profiler don't show this information.
>
> Unfortunately, I chose a password safe that uses Java, Callpod Keeper.
>
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Re: How to tell which apps use Java?
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com hflaxman001
Sat Apr 7, 2012 2:53 pm (PDT)
On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Dane Reugger wrote:
> Many things Adobe use Java - including the CS suites. Also some parts of
> OpenOffice / Libre uses it. I think logmein.com, Filemaker Server (Web
> based administration), etc. Lost of stuff both desktop and web use Java. I
> think it's past it's peak but it's still a lot of places.
>
> -Dane
I've been fiddling around with the CS6 beta and unless they're using their own Java engine, it hasn't made a call to the systemwide Java engine yet. I have everything either turned off or uninstalled as far as Java goes, and CS6 works perfectly in every aspect so far.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@me.com
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Re: How to tell which apps use Java?
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sat Apr 7, 2012 3:08 pm (PDT)
I have already found a Terminal command to show me what apps I have that use Java. See my second post for a thread at Apple Discussions that gave me the answer.
The apps that I currently have that use Java are:
Adobe Bridge CS3, four indicence, and I can not remember why I installed this
Callpod Keeper, better than a dozen incidence
Evernote, one incidence, and it looks minor
LibreOffice, several hundred incidence
OpenOffice, a several dozen
Stanza,one incidence, and it looks major
A password safe and is critical to me and sadly I chose Keeper. I have contacted Callpod to see if they are planning any change or if I need to change apps.
I will contact Evernote Monday to see if they have any plans or if this is a critical component.
The others I won't miss.
Brent
On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Dane Reugger wrote:
> Many things Adobe use Java - including the CS suites. Also some parts of
> OpenOffice / Libre uses it. I think logmein.com, Filemaker Server (Web
> based administration), etc. Lost of stuff both desktop and web use Java. I
> think it's past it's peak but it's still a lot of places.
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Re: How to tell which apps use Java?
Posted by: "Dane Reugger" dane@downtownpc.com dar2112
Sat Apr 7, 2012 3:16 pm (PDT)
I heard something about a CS6 public beta but haven't looked at it
personally. It wouldn't surprise me if CS 6 didn't require Java but I'm
pretty sure earlier versions use and or require Java. Lion (and future OS
X) no longer comes with Java pre-installed is the sign of the times.
-Dane
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@me.com > wrote:
> On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Dane Reugger wrote:
>
> > Many things Adobe use Java - including the CS suites. Also some parts of
> > OpenOffice / Libre uses it. I think logmein.com, Filemaker Server (Web
> > based administration), etc. Lost of stuff both desktop and web use Java.
> I
> > think it's past it's peak but it's still a lot of places.
> >
> > -Dane
>
> I've been fiddling around with the CS6 beta and unless they're using their
> own Java engine, it hasn't made a call to the systemwide Java engine yet.
> I have everything either turned off or uninstalled as far as Java goes,
> and CS6 works perfectly in every aspect so far.
>
> Harry
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Re: How to tell which apps use Java?
Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net mstupinski
Sat Apr 7, 2012 5:00 pm (PDT)
I've been running Photoshop CS3 on my PowerMac G5 under OS 10.5.8, and
Photoshop CS5 on my Macbook Pro under OS 10.6.8, each with Java
disabled in the Safari Preferences>Security panel. In neither case
did Photoshop show any difference in performance.
.............Mike
On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Dane Reugger wrote:
> I heard something about a CS6 public beta but haven't looked at it
> personally. It wouldn't surprise me if CS 6 didn't require Java but
> I'm
> pretty sure earlier versions use and or require Java. Lion (and
> future OS
> X) no longer comes with Java pre-installed is the sign of the times.
>
> -Dane
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@me.com >
> wrote:
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>> On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Dane Reugger wrote:
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>>> Many things Adobe use Java - including the CS suites. Also some
>>> parts of
>>> OpenOffice / Libre uses it. I think logmein.com, Filemaker Server
>>> (Web
>>> based administration), etc. Lost of stuff both desktop and web use
>>> Java.
>> I
>>> think it's past it's peak but it's still a lot of places.
>>>
>>> -Dane
>>
>> I've been fiddling around with the CS6 beta and unless they're
>> using their
>> own Java engine, it hasn't made a call to the systemwide Java
>> engine yet.
>> I have everything either turned off or uninstalled as far as Java
>> goes,
>> and CS6 works perfectly in every aspect so far.
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Re: How to tell which apps use Java?
Posted by: "Dane Reugger" dane@downtownpc.com dar2112
Sat Apr 7, 2012 5:06 pm (PDT)
It's disabled in Safari .. not your computer.
https://discussions.apple.com/ thread/3190134? start=0&tstart= 0
-Dane
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Michael P. Stupinski
<mpstupinski@snet.net >wrote:
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iPad 3 Display vs iPad2
Posted by: "Robert" cookrd1@discoveryowners.com cookrd1
Sat Apr 7, 2012 12:47 pm (PDT)
Some time back, I gave my iPad2 to a relative and purchased the new iPad3 at Best Buy just last week. I was expecting to immediately notice a big difference in the display, but I didn't, so I thought this was due to my long absence from using the iPad2. But, I just compared my iPad3 side by side with an iPad2. I still didn't notice a difference. I am somewhat visually challenged, but the only difference my friend mentioned is that he thought my iPad3 was a little brighter. (But I am not so visually challenged that almost every non-Apple laptop display at Best Buy looks pretty bad compared to the MBP.)
Granted, we weren't looking at the same pictures in iPhoto, just web browsing and reading some articles on Pulse. But, now I wonder if I really have an iPad 3. The model identifier for his starts with MC and mine starts with MD, but that was the only difference noted.
Both iPads had stock out-of-the-box settings, but I am confused since everything else I read says how much better the retina display is compared to the iPad2. When I got the retina iPhone back in 2010, I noticed a difference. However, I will admit that even the display on my old iPhone 3G still looks pretty darn good, arguably better than my newer Android phones.
So, is it "just me"? Should I be comparing the same hi-def photos? Or, do I really have an iPad 3?
Bob
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Re: iPad 3 Display vs iPad2
Posted by: "paul smith" kullervo@nycap.rr.com waldonny
Sat Apr 7, 2012 3:14 pm (PDT)
Compare the same very detailed high-definition photos. If you don't notice the difference, do some in depth checking to make sure you do have the new iPad.
--
PSmith
MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM, OS 10.7.3 iPhone 4S 64 GB, iOS 5.1
On Apr 7, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Robert wrote:
So, is it "just me"? Should I be comparing the same hi-def photos? Or, do I really have an iPad 3?
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Saving GraphihcConverter JPG balloons file size?
Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com davec2468
Sat Apr 7, 2012 1:07 pm (PDT)
A screen shot puts a 78K JPG file on the desktop.
I open this file and draw one small "X" on it using the draw tools.
I save it as JPG again, reducing quality to 50 percent.
The file has ballooned to 845K.
I save another version (without editing it further), reducing quality
to about 20 percent.
The resulting file is 830K.
Why is GC creating a file so large when the source file is so small.
I presume that no vector elements are being saved to the file: it's a
JPG.
Thanks,
Dave
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2011 Mac mini 2.7 GHz i7 / 4 GB / 750 GB
OS X 10.6.8 (yes, Snow Leopard)
GraphicConverter v6.1
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Re: Saving GraphihcConverter JPG balloons file size?
Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net barryaus
Sat Apr 7, 2012 1:34 pm (PDT)
At 1:07 PM -0700 4/7/12, DaveC wrote:
>A screen shot puts a 78K JPG file on the desktop.
Wow, that is only one degree warmer than the 77K at which liquid
nitrogen boils :-)
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Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
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Re: Saving GraphihcConverter JPG balloons file size?
Posted by: "paul smith" kullervo@nycap.rr.com waldonny
Sat Apr 7, 2012 3:18 pm (PDT)
GraphicConverter offers a wealth of preference options, including the automatic creation of a wide variety of thumbnail icons in different sizes. I suspect your prefs are set to do something like that.
--
PSmith
MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM, OS 10.7.3 iPhone 4S 64 GB, iOS 5.1
On Apr 7, 2012, at 4:07 PM, DaveC wrote:
Why is GC creating a file so large when the source file is so small.
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