4/01/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8825

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Streaming video with VLC?

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Sun Apr 1, 2012 7:50 am (PDT)



I want to stream a DVD video out to my LAN and watch it on a new 2011
mini (OS X 10.6).

I followed the steps to set up streaming on a Core Duo mini (OS X
10.5) but I'm getting "Permission denied" errors in the VLC log. (VLC
doesn't pay attention to copyright or region issues so it's not
that...)

Has anyone on the list succeeded in getting VLC to stream a DVD? Or a
different solution (without buying extra hardware or such...)

Thanks,
Dave

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Re: Is Mac HD gone in Lion

Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com   jimpurcell2001

Sun Apr 1, 2012 8:25 am (PDT)



Randy,

>
> The last couple of OS's came with the HD icon not showing on the
> desktop by default. Apple seems to like a totally clean desktop.
>
I tend to be a 'middle of the roader' in most things, including' hoe clean the desktop is. But Apple seems to be more about 'what apple wants' than 'what the customer wants' And lots of apply customers seem to like that fine. OR they like the products well enough not to care about what apple wants, :-)

> There are a number of new things in Lion. (e.g. direction of
> scrolling,
>
Thje trouble with changing the scroll direction is that it does not control scrolling ins all the apps on a Mac. So one has to switch mental gears when switching apps. Thunderbird scrolls the old way. And of course there's the user like me, a switch hitter between Mac and PC.
> loss of "Save As", etc.) If you have trouble with any of
> them let us know. I can probably tell you how to change them back to
> how you like them.
>
TNX, I will do that, which may explain why I go to 'macsupportcentral' first when I have a question. :-)

Jim

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Re: Is Mac HD gone in Lion

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Sun Apr 1, 2012 2:38 pm (PDT)




On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:25 AM, OldTechie wrote:

> I tend to be a 'middle of the roader' in most things, including'
> hoe clean the desktop is. But Apple seems to be more about 'what
> apple wants' than 'what the customer wants' And lots of apply
> customers seem to like that fine. OR they like the products well
> enough not to care about what apple wants, :-)

I don't agree. Apple has to set up their computers as best as
possible to suit the vast majority of ordinary users. I think that
by and large they do a good job with that.

If Apple wanted to force you to do things their way, they could
provide no way to change things. But most things on a Mac can be set
up the way that you like.

That's why I offered to show folks how to change things if they
aren't to their liking. If you don't like something, just ask, and
we will help you change it. Going around saying that "Apple wants
to force everyone to do things their way" only makes you sound like a
Windows bigot, and that isn't going to get you a lot of sympathy in a
Mac discussion forum.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "Jim" oldtechie@wi.rr.com   jimpurcell2001

Sun Apr 1, 2012 8:37 am (PDT)



I don't usually want to delete files bypassing trash, but given the recent problems that filling the trash with massive numbers of files has caused, I want to know how to do it. I probably have the answer in my many text notes on Mac, but there are too many of them to gotrhough for the moment.

Jim

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Sun Apr 1, 2012 8:47 am (PDT)



Firstly, why are you deleting massive numbers of files?

Emptying the Trash should not be problem, *unless* you are trying to remove
files that are seen as still in use, in which case you might need to log
out and back in to clear the "locks". You should also try Force Empty Trash
(Option/alt together with Empty Trash).

Otto

On 1 April 2012 16:37, Jim <oldtechie@wi.rr.com> wrote:

> I don't usually want to delete files bypassing trash, but given the recent
> problems that filling the trash with massive numbers of files has caused, I
> want to know how to do it. I probably have the answer in my many text notes
> on Mac, but there are too many of them to gotrhough for the moment.
>

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Sun Apr 1, 2012 9:11 am (PDT)



Jim wrote:
> I don't usually want to delete files bypassing trash, but given the
> recent problems that filling the trash with massive numbers of files has
> caused, I want to know how to do it. I probably have the answer in my
> many text notes on Mac, but there are too many of them to gotrhough for
> the moment.
>
> Jim

Not sure I understand what the problem is, Jim.

There is a setting that empties the trash at the end of a session. I
guess if you turn the computer off (shut down or restart?)
I always empty my trash at the end of the day, but without fail I look
at what's in there, to make sure the unread files are not important.
I have found an occasional item in there that had NO reason to be in the
trash at all, and I'd be forced to <select> Control-Move To.

But, Trash never builds up over a day so for ME it never gets all that big.

keith whaley

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Sun Apr 1, 2012 10:21 am (PDT)




On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> Firstly, why are you deleting massive numbers of files?
>
> Emptying the Trash should not be problem, *unless* you are trying to remove
> files that are seen as still in use, in which case you might need to log
> out and back in to clear the "locks". You should also try Force Empty Trash
> (Option/alt together with Empty Trash).
>
> Otto

Otto, Jim says he has been a Windows user for years, right? I'll bet you a dollar against a stale donut, that he is trying to delete parts of the OS and that is why he is having: one, problems emptying the Trash, and two so many other issues with a new install.

Sounds like he is trying to customizing everything instead of just trying it as is, before modifying it with settings and preferences. That would also explain why he is deleting so many files. He has to be trashing parts of the OS, because his files and his docs would not hang emptying the trash. If he were trashing parts of the OS he would not have Permissions to empty that part of the Trash.

He is still thinking Window. Why else would he ask about re-installing Lion within the first two days.

Many on this list are older and so font size is a real issue, but a lot of his issues, I bet, are self inflicted.

Just my opinion.

Brent
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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com   jimpurcell2001

Sun Apr 1, 2012 12:35 pm (PDT)



Brent,

Well, the quoted text in a box disappeared So I no longer have your quote. I could trash this reply and start over but I'm too lazy today to do that,

I wasn't trying tto delete parts of the OS per se'. I did try to delete oldTM files because after installing Lion Time Machine started over. None of the dates on the old files were anywhere near current. I have finally gotten rid of all the old Time Machine files from my EHD.

As far as I can tell, things now are copesetic,

TNX for your message.

Jim

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sun Apr 1, 2012 1:03 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

There is no need to bypass the Trash.

"Trash Bin," BTW, is the Microsoft knockoff term for the Apple Trash
Can. The Trash Can on Macintosh goes back to 1984.

Just empty the Trash occasionally.

If it won't empty, press the Option key when you do the Empty Trash
command. This is an override command.

If it still won't empty, boot in Safe Disk mode and Empty Trash.

If it still won't empty, something is wrong with your system and you
need to repair it or re-install it.

Denver Dan

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:37:09 +0000, Jim wrote:
> I don't usually want to delete files bypassing trash, but given the
> recent problems that filling the trash with massive numbers of files
> has caused, I want to know how to do it. I probably have the answer
> in my many text notes on Mac, but there are too many of them to
> gotrhough for the moment.
>
> Jim

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com   jimpurcell2001

Sun Apr 1, 2012 1:19 pm (PDT)



Denver Dan,

>
> There is no need to bypass the Trash.
>
I wanted to bypass the trash can because it seemed that something in it was preventing emptying it.

>
> Just empty the Trash occasionally.
>
I do it often to avoid wading through it to find something I should not have tossed. ;-)

>
> If it won't empty, press the Option key when you do the Empty Trash
> command. This is an override command.
>
I thought that was the syntax, but since it wasn't working I thought I had mis remembered it.

>
> If it still won't empty, boot in Safe Disk mode and Empty Trash.
>
How can I tell that I am in safe mode, I went there once and it looked the same.

>
> If it still won't empty, something is wrong with your system and you
> need to repair it or re-install it.
>
Repair what? Reinstall what? The OS?

TNX for replying.

Jim

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Sun Apr 1, 2012 1:37 pm (PDT)



Jim,

First, please heed all the warnings of the true Mac heads, who are entirely correct. Be careful about what you delete and learn to use the Recycle Bin as designed.

However, there ARE very good reasons to "bypass" the trash. Just because one cannot see the need, does not mean the need does not exist.

If you really do need to bypass the trash as I do regularly... you need Graveyard.

http://www.1802.it/software_en.php

Graveyard is the ONLY app I have ever found that will do a true, simple delete. That is all it does. It was a godsend to me, saving me countless hours of wasted time and frustration.

There are some more complicated Recycle Bin replacements (one called "Compost" I think) that permit selective emptying of the Recycle Bins contents, which is nice, but too complex for my needs. There are also a few apps that secure "wipe" files. Again, that's too much. Wiping is slow. I like the recycle bin, but when it absolutely, positively needs to be deleted right now, Graveyard is the one.

Cheers,
tod

On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Jim wrote:

> I don't usually want to delete files bypassing trash, but given the recent problems that filling the trash with massive numbers of files has caused, I want to know how to do it. I probably have the answer in my many text notes on Mac, but there are too many of them to gotrhough for the moment.
>
> Jim
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com   jimpurcell2001

Sun Apr 1, 2012 1:54 pm (PDT)



Tod ,

> First, please heed all the warnings of the true Mac heads, who are entirely correct.

How do I know that someone is 'an old Mac-Head? I can tell some of them, but I can't be certain that someone acting like a Mac expert IS one. :-)

> Be careful about what you delete and learn to use the Recycle Bin as designed.

Another 'how do I know' situation. I am not privy to any notes about the Trash Can and how to use it other than just toss stuff in. :-)
>
> However, there ARE very good reasons to "bypass" the trash. Just because one cannot see the need, does not mean the need does not exist.

Of course I didn't say that there weren't any reasons to bypass it. :-) And I know that you know that.

>
> If you really do need to bypass the trash as I do regularly... you need Graveyard.
>
> http://www.1802.it/software_en.php

Just downloaded it. :-)

>
> Graveyard is the ONLY app I have ever found that will do a true, simple delete. That is all it does. It was a godsend to me, saving me countless hours of wasted time and frustration.

I thought that I recalled a keystroke that would do that. Guess it was something else.

TNX for the reply,

Jim
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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net   barryaus

Sun Apr 1, 2012 2:04 pm (PDT)



At 4:37 PM -0400 4/1/12, Tod Hopkins wrote:

>Jim,
>
>First, please heed all the warnings of the true
>Mac heads, who are entirely correct. Be careful
>about what you delete and learn to use the
>Recycle Bin as designed.

Are you talking Mac or Windoze here? "Recycle
Bin" is Micro$oft jargon, whereas the Mac talks
about the trash.

>However, there ARE very good reasons to "bypass"
>the trash. Just because one cannot see the
>need, does not mean the need does not exist.

Give me an example of one. I can't think of any,
other than, maybe, your drive is so dangerously
full that you need the space NOW.

>
>
>Graveyard is the ONLY app I have ever found that
>will do a true, simple delete. That is all it
>does. It was a godsend to me, saving me
>countless hours of wasted time and frustration.

What about the rm command in the Terminal? Type
"man rm" (without the quotes) to learn more about
it. Just type the "rm" command, with the proper
modifiers, and drag the file into the terminal
window there and hit the carriage return key.
Voilà, you have just deleted your file, with no
safeguards at all. Frankly, I'd prefer the safety
of NOT bypassing the trash.

>There are some more complicated Recycle Bin
>replacements (one called "Compost" I think) that
>permit selective emptying of the Recycle Bins
>contents,

Again, are you talking Windows or Mac, given your terminology?

--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com   jimpurcell2001

Sun Apr 1, 2012 2:29 pm (PDT)



I suspect that terminal is not for the faint hearted or for someone who wants an OS/Computer that 'just works'.

I think that Macs are for both types, i.e. it includes those who actually like Unix and can remember all [or most or some] of the myriad keyboard commands.

Personally I'd like to be both kinds of users.Some times I just want my computer to work, without being a PITA. But I am an OldTechien and need to, when I want to, dig into the soft underbelly of any technology. These days, because of the Old part of OldTEchie, I am not able to do that as much as I used to try to do. And that Old par also explains why I have made such a stink about those tiny, seemingly unchangeable, fonts.

TNX Guy

Jim/OT
>
> What about the rm command in the Terminal? Type
> "man rm" (without the quotes) to learn more about
>

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sun Apr 1, 2012 2:35 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

When you boot in Safe Disk mode in Mac OS X 10.7 Lion you'll see a
progress bar that you don't normally see.

In addition, Safe Disk mode turns off many things that load
automatically and turns off things like Internet access.

Safe Disk boot is a maintenance procedure that does a disk check and
repair, deletes the ATS font caches, and turns things off so you can
troubleshoot the system.

The ATS refers to Apple Typographic System. It used to be a folder
with visible files in earlier versions of Mac OS X but in later
versions is invisible. There are other utilities, such as OnyX (a free
maintenance utility) that can delete all of the ATS font caches as well
as Quark, Adobe, and Microsoft font cache files.

Mac OS X does many many many many things from cache files. Not just
fonts. Sometimes a cache file becomes corrupted and that's why
deleting cache files is a good thing to do when troubleshooting. The
cache files are automatically recreated as needed.

After booting in Safe Disk mode, you should re-start in normal mode.

Re-install? Yes, "wrong with your system" as in "system" . . . repair
or re-install (the system).

If you tend to Trash things accidentally, then create a "Pre Trash"
folder and put it on the Desktop next to the Trash can.

Then sort through your Pre Trash folder before moving those items to
the actual Trash.

Denver Dan

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:19:21 -0500, OldTechie wrote:
> How can I tell that I am in safe mode, I went there once and it
> looked the same.
>
>>
>> If it still won't empty, something is wrong with your system and you
>> need to repair it or re-install it.
>>
> Repair what? Reinstall what? The OS?

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Re: How to bypass the trash bin

Posted by: "OldTechie" oldtechie@wi.rr.com   jimpurcell2001

Sun Apr 1, 2012 2:47 pm (PDT)



DD,

> When you boot in Safe Disk mode in Mac OS X 10.7 Lion you'll see a
> progress bar that you don't normally see.
>
I gather that, but once I was seeing the desktop I did not know that I was in safe mode. It looked the same [I guess] as normal mode.

The rest if your message looks like the old, 'I ask you what time it is and you tell me how to fix a watch. :-) :-)

I will never remember it all and I suspect never need to know it. In spite of what I said about liking to dig into the soft body of technology.

TNX Dan

Jim

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Siri or Sydney? Breakthrough Research

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sun Apr 1, 2012 11:03 am (PDT)



Howdy.

We are seeing some rumors and leaks of a major breakthrough in Siri
research being done at a secure Apple research laboratory in Sydney,
Australia.

No officially announced name for this new Siri linked technology but
some rumors say it may be called Sydney.

The rumors, very preliminary at this time, are indicating that the
breakthrough could lead to an iPhone that can be controlled by thoughts
via a new WiFi-like process that might be called Sydney-Siri.

Apple, Inc., has not made any official announcement or confirmation of
this new technology.

Siri is still considered a beta technology.

Denver Dan

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Re: Siri or Sydney? Breakthrough Research

Posted by: "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen@earthlink.net   dougyelmen

Sun Apr 1, 2012 11:11 am (PDT)



harr-harr.
had me going until until the 3rd paragraph.
good one, Dan.

doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

"You have enemies? Good. That means you have stood up for something in your life."
Sir Winston Churchill

On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Denver Dan wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> We are seeing some rumors and leaks of a major breakthrough in Siri
> research being done at a secure Apple research laboratory in Sydney,
> Australia.
>
> No officially announced name for this new Siri linked technology but
> some rumors say it may be called Sydney.
>
> The rumors, very preliminary at this time, are indicating that the
> breakthrough could lead to an iPhone that can be controlled by thoughts
> via a new WiFi-like process that might be called Sydney-Siri.
>
> Apple, Inc., has not made any official announcement or confirmation of
> this new technology.
>
> Siri is still considered a beta technology.
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: Siri or Sydney? Breakthrough Research

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Sun Apr 1, 2012 11:35 am (PDT)



Siri- ously!

Were you trying to make a take off on Victor-Victoria?

On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Denver Dan wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> We are seeing some rumors and leaks of a major breakthrough in Siri
> research being done at a secure Apple research laboratory in Sydney,
> Australia.
>
> No officially announced name for this new Siri linked technology but
> some rumors say it may be called Sydney.
>
> The rumors, very preliminary at this time, are indicating that the
> breakthrough could lead to an iPhone that can be controlled by thoughts
> via a new WiFi-like process that might be called Sydney-Siri.
>
> Apple, Inc., has not made any official announcement or confirmation of
> this new technology.
>
> Siri is still considered a beta technology.

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Re: Siri or Sydney? Breakthrough Research

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Sun Apr 1, 2012 12:05 pm (PDT)



On 4/1/2012 2:03 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> We are seeing some rumors and leaks of a major breakthrough in Siri
> research being done at a secure Apple research laboratory in Sydney,
> Australia.
>
> No officially announced name for this new Siri linked technology but
> some rumors say it may be called Sydney.
>
> The rumors, very preliminary at this time, are indicating that the
> breakthrough could lead to an iPhone that can be controlled by thoughts
> via a new WiFi-like process that might be called Sydney-Siri.
>
> Apple, Inc., has not made any official announcement or confirmation of
> this new technology.
>
> Siri is still considered a beta technology.
>

What a message to forward!!!

Good one Dan!

Harry

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Re: Siri or Sydney? Breakthrough Research

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Sun Apr 1, 2012 12:15 pm (PDT)



> We are seeing some rumors and leaks of a major breakthrough in Siri research being done at a secure Apple research laboratory in Sydney, Australia.
>
> No officially announced name for this new Siri linked technology but some rumors say it may be called Sydney.
>
> The rumors, very preliminary at this time, are indicating that the breakthrough could lead to an iPhone that can be controlled by thoughts via a new WiFi-like process that might be called Sydney-Siri.
>
> Apple, Inc., has not made any official announcement or confirmation of this new technology.
>
> Siri is still considered a beta technology.
>
> Denver Dan

Thank you so VERY much for this NEWS OF THE DAY, TODAY.
**SIGH**

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Re: Siri or Sydney? Breakthrough Research

Posted by: "Robert Buscaglia" rbuscag@yahoo.com   rbuscag

Sun Apr 1, 2012 12:44 pm (PDT)



Are April Fool's jokes understood by non Americans, of which this list has several?

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 1, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net> wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> We are seeing some rumors and leaks of a major breakthrough in Siri
> research being done at a secure Apple research laboratory in Sydney,
> Australia.
>
> No officially announced name for this new Siri linked technology but
> some rumors say it may be called Sydney.
>
> The rumors, very preliminary at this time, are indicating that the
> breakthrough could lead to an iPhone that can be controlled by thoughts
> via a new WiFi-like process that might be called Sydney-Siri.
>
> Apple, Inc., has not made any official announcement or confirmation of
> this new technology.
>
> Siri is still considered a beta technology.
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
>
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Re: Siri or Sydney? Breakthrough Research

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sun Apr 1, 2012 12:59 pm (PDT)



Yes. April Fools Day is celebrated in many countries although not
always with the same name.

But of course when one responds and mentions April First it sort of
destroys the concept and spoils the joke.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day>

Denver Dan

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:44:40 -0500, Robert Buscaglia wrote:
> Are April Fool's jokes understood by non Americans, of which this
> list has several?
>
> Bob

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Re: Siri or Sydney? Breakthrough Research

Posted by: "Ian Gillis" tessel.bas@gmail.com   ianjgillis

Sun Apr 1, 2012 1:05 pm (PDT)



On 1 April 2012 21:44, Robert Buscaglia <rbuscag@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Are April Fool's jokes understood by non Americans, of which this list has several?

Oh yes, Robert; humour/humor isn't exclusive to those on the Western
side of the Atlantic. Here in France we have the "Poisson d'Avril",
but we also have exclusive access to the news that Apple computer have
released an app in the UK that exploits the unique piezo-electric
properties of the new iPad's retina display. In a system reminiscent
of Mike Todd's 50s "Smell-O-Vision" iPad viewers can taste and smell
products displayed on the screen. In the commercial world this has
created a sensation, with the UK wine outlet Oddbins hosting on-line
wine tastings and the Cornish Pasty shop Greggs have donated their
iPasty app to David Cameron. The app has been named iTaste, since
iSmell received negative comments. A trial of a stateside experimental
version last year can be seen at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSuj-xLrONg and there's a piscatorial
comment at http://bit.ly/H8Vo1q.

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export from Address Book to Excel or LibreOffice

Posted by: "ennisart" john@john-ennis.com   ennisart

Sun Apr 1, 2012 2:16 pm (PDT)



Hi,

I am working with OS 10.5.8 and want to export email address from Address Book to a file format that can be used in an Excel spreadsheet (or LibreOffice). Is there a program or utility that can do this?

Thanks,

John

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