10/17/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 9179

15 New Messages

Digest #9179
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Re: RAM for iMac 7.1 by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
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Re: RAM for iMac 7.1 by "John Ross" maltcote@btinternet.com
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Re: RAM for iMac 7.1 by "Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
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Re: RAM for iMac 7.1 by "John Ross" maltcote@btinternet.com
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Re: Speaking of RAM.. by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
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Re: Speaking of RAM.. by "OBrien" conorboru
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Re: Speaking of RAM.. by "OBrien" conorboru
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Re: Speaking of RAM.. by "HAL9000" jrswebhome
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Re: Speaking of RAM.. by "Eric" emanmb
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Re: Speaking of RAM.. by "DaveC" davec2468
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Re: Speaking of RAM.. by "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au
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Re: Speaking of RAM.. by "DaveC" davec2468
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Re: I think I need more memory by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
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Re: I think I need more memory by "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au

Messages

Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:52 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

Page in/outs happen when the OS needs to move code and data between RAM and
virtual memory, which is held on your hard-drive. This really slows things
down so it's good to avoid or reduce it, which is done by increasing RAM.
Zero Page-outs is as good as it gets, so you don't need any more RAM, at
least for what you're doing now.

Otto

On 16 October 2012 14:24, Ken <avlisk@cox.net> wrote:

> So, for example, if I have 4 gigs RAM and my page ins are 1.01 and page
> outs are 0, is my computer running OK? (Note: I have no idea what "page
> in/outs" are. I just want the computer to run OK, which it seems to be
> doing.)
>

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Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:10 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"John Ross" maltcote@btinternet.com

I use "Boost&Memory", which keeps out of use memory pages to a minimum, making the most of limited memory.

On 16 Oct 2012, at 17:51, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Page in/outs happen when the OS needs to move code and data between RAM and
> virtual memory, which is held on your hard-drive. This really slows things
> down so it's good to avoid or reduce it, which is done by increasing RAM.
> Zero Page-outs is as good as it gets, so you don't need any more RAM, at
> least for what you're doing now.
>
> Otto
>
> On 16 October 2012 14:24, Ken <avlisk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> So, for example, if I have 4 gigs RAM and my page ins are 1.01 and page
>> outs are 0, is my computer running OK? (Note: I have no idea what "page
>> in/outs" are. I just want the computer to run OK, which it seems to be
>> doing.)
>>
>
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Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:25 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger


On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:10 AM, John Ross wrote:

> I use "Boost&Memory", which keeps out of use memory pages to a minimum, making the most of limited memory.

Purge does the same thing for free:
http://frisbeesoftware.weebly.com/applications.html

and...both utilities should be completely unnecessary. OS X automatically recovers RAM as needed.

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Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"John Ross" maltcote@btinternet.com

Boost&Memory was free when I "bought" it.

On 17 Oct 2012, at 09:25, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

> Purge does the same thing for free:

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:00 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

On 16 October 2012 17:35, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:

>
> Did you try taking the RAM sticks out, then re-inserting them? Electrical
> contacts can get dirty, too.
>

That is what I would do. The RAM itself might be fine.

Also, when adding new RAM, it might be some time before you use all of it,
so it's worth checking it with something like Memtest.

Otto

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Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"OBrien" conorboru

On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:27:37 -0000, Eric wrote:
> I am surprised now when I hear people say they've never had bad ram
> as I've had RAM go bad in 2 different machines now. Guess it's
> just my bad luck, eh?

Maybe. I've had only one case of RAM going bad. Chip Merchants cross-shipped me a new one. For years now, I've usually bought RAM from MemoryToGo.com .


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Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:41 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"OBrien" conorboru

On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:30:00 -0500, OBrien wrote:
> Maybe. I've had only one case of RAM going bad...

That was many, many, many years ago.


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Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"HAL9000" jrswebhome

I've owned 3 macs since my clone. In all the memory upgrades and purchases w different company's, I have never had any RAM issues. Fortunate I guess. jr

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, OBrien <bco@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:27:37 -0000, Eric wrote:
> > I am surprised now when I hear people say they've never had bad ram
> > as I've had RAM go bad in 2 different machines now. Guess it's
> > just my bad luck, eh?
>
> Maybe. I've had only one case of RAM going bad. Chip Merchants cross-shipped me a new one. For years now, I've usually bought RAM from MemoryToGo.com .
>
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Eric" emanmb

Yep, sure did. I have 4 1GB dimms, & 2 2GB dimms and pulled them all and moved them around as well just in case there was a bad dimm slot.

Crucial may indeed be better.
I'd gone by the common referral here and elsewhere to a retailer that is known for Mac support whose price was what I could afford at OWC. Crucial is pricier but I can't quote the difference.
The previous "brand" that went bad came from 1-800-memory (or some such) and they required a paper receipt which, years down the road when it went bad, I didn't have. Back then a G5's ram was pretty cheap so I just bought more from somewhere else.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Earle Jones <earle.jones@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 16, 12, at 8:27 AM, Eric <emanmb@...> wrote:
>
> > I came home the one night a few weeks back to see my MacPro with the LED above the power button blinking quickly. I thought, 'that's unusual' and tried to wake it from sleep w/no luck, so I forced it to shut down and then restarted.
> >
> > Still got the blinking LED and black screens but did have the chime at startup. After confirming the machine wasn't going to startup correctly I used my wife's MBP to look for a cause Googling "blinking power light MacPro", etc. The consensus of posts was that it was bad RAM and one post saying they had a bad motherboard. Yikes.
> >
> > 6 of my 8GB's were bought new from OWC in Feb this year. I begin removing them pair by pair and confirmed that 1 or both DIMMS of my 4GB pair were bad which were from OWC.
> >
> > I have an app on my original iphone (which is ONLY connected to ours or others' wifi) that allows me to call the states for free. Called OWC and set up an RMA where I had to pay some of their FedEx fees as I'm in Bangkok now. I've never shipped anything from a foreign country before and it was a pleasant experience. I was surprised that there is no customs slip that needed to be put on the package! I asked a manager there and he said 'mai me' which is, we don't have one. Okey dokey.
> >
> > I was worried that something would happen w/US customs but it got to OWC in a week for $12 compared to the whack rate of $75 using FedEx here.
> > All in all it was as seamless an experience as one could have given the distance, language barriers etc. and my MP is back to normal.
> >
> > I am surprised now when I hear people say they've never had bad ram as I've had RAM go bad in 2 different machines now. Guess it's just my bad luck, eh?
> >
> *
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>
> A couple of years ago, I was having some intermittent weird problem with my iMac so I visited the local (Palo Alto University Avenue) Apple Store Genius Bar.
>
> The genius asked: "What kind of memory are you using?"
>
> My reply: "Memory is memory -- why do you ask what kind?"
>
> Answer: Because now, especially with System X, the memory you use is more significant.
>
> He went on to recommend that I buy new memory from Crucial.com
>
> http://www.crucial.com
>
> This is the retail arm of Micron Technology, where Apple gets a lot of their memory.
>
> Crucial memory costs a couple of pennies more, but I have never had a problem since.
>
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"DaveC" davec2468

Sez Eric:
...
>Crucial may indeed be better.
>I'd gone by the common referral here and elsewhere to a retailer
>that is known for Mac support whose price was what I could afford at
>OWC. Crucial is pricier but I can't quote the difference.
...

-=-=-=-

Re. price, for 16 GB RAM pair (my current lust),

Crucial from Amazon:

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008LTBJK2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER>

vs. OWC memory:

<http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333DDR3S16P/>

Crucial wins by $24 (not including shipping comparisons...)

Dave

Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Christopher Collins" cjc1959au

Well, as shipping comparisons will affect the overall price, shouldn't that be included also?

Do Amazon allow you to trade in your existing RAM?

cjc

On 17/10/2012, at 4:29 PM, DaveC <davec2468@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sez Eric:
> ...
> >Crucial may indeed be better.
> >I'd gone by the common referral here and elsewhere to a retailer
> >that is known for Mac support whose price was what I could afford at
> >OWC. Crucial is pricier but I can't quote the difference.
> ...
>
> -=-=-=-
>
> Re. price, for 16 GB RAM pair (my current lust),
>
> Crucial from Amazon:
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008LTBJK2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER>
>
> vs. OWC memory:
>
> <http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333DDR3S16P/>
>
> Crucial wins by $24 (not including shipping comparisons...)
>
> Dave
>

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Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"DaveC" davec2468

Re. buying back memory modules, Crucial says:

"Through a third-party buyer, we offer a module buy-back program that
allows you to trade in a minimum of 10 old working modules for a
credit on your next Crucial memory purchase of 10 or more modules. "

Personally, 10 modules is way more than I have around at any time.

Amazon does not buy back, but no tax is charged and if you have a
Prime account, standard shipping (2-3 days, usually, to me on the USA
west coast) is free.

Dave

-=-=-=-

>Well, as shipping comparisons will affect the overall price,
>shouldn't that be included also?
>
>Do Amazon allow you to trade in your existing RAM?
>
>cjc

-=-=-=-

> > Sez Eric:
>> ...
>> >Crucial may indeed be better.
>> >I'd gone by the common referral here and elsewhere to a retailer
>> >that is known for Mac support whose price was what I could afford at
>> >OWC. Crucial is pricier but I can't quote the difference.
> > ...

-=-=-=-

> > Re. price, for 16 GB RAM pair (my current lust),
>>
>> Crucial from Amazon:
>>
>>
>><http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008LTBJK2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER>
>>
>> vs. OWC memory:
>>
>> <http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333DDR3S16P/>
>>
>> Crucial wins by $24 (not including shipping comparisons...)
>>
> > Dave

Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"cnltnn" cnltnn


Since I only want to get inside this thing once, should I buy one 2gb and one 1gb to max it out at 3g ?

Thanks, Carrie
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Collins <maclist@...> wrote:
>
> It's not really all that difficult, but it can be a little immmmm frustrating.
>
> Depends on how comfortable you feel ripping computers apart.
>
> Buy your RAM (2 * 2GB DDR2800) and take it to your local Apple dealer.
>
> They will happily fit it for a minimal charge, if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself.
>
> Make sure the RAM is qualified for Macs or is at least a brand name (Kingston, Patriot, OWC, etc)
>
> cjc
>
> On 16/10/2012, at 12:08 PM, cnltnn <cnltnn@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Here are my specs from the system profiler:
> > Model Name: Mac mini
> > Model Identifier: Macmini2,1
> > Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
> > Processor Speed: 1.83 GHz
> > Number Of Processors: 1
> > Total Number Of Cores: 2
> > L2 Cache: 2 MB
> > Memory: 1 GB
> > Bus Speed: 667 MHz
> > Boot ROM Version: MM21.009A.B00
> > SMC Version (system): 1.19f2
> >
> > I think I am stuck. I think only having 1 GB of memory is preventing me from upgrading to the latest iTunes which is also preventing me from getting new iBooks.
> >
> > My question is what memory do I buy and how difficult is it to install?
> >
> > My Mac Mini is new to me. I upgraded from a very old G4. This Mac is like a matchbox compared to my old one.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Carrie
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> Here are my specs from the system profiler:
> Model Name: Mac mini
> Model Identifier: Macmini2,1
> Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
> Processor Speed: 1.83 GHz
> Number Of Processors: 1
> Total Number Of Cores: 2
> L2 Cache: 2 MB
> Memory: 1 GB
> Bus Speed: 667 MHz
> Boot ROM Version: MM21.009A.B00
> SMC Version (system): 1.19f2
>
> I think I am stuck. I think only having 1 GB of memory is preventing me from upgrading to the latest iTunes which is also preventing me from getting new iBooks.
>
> Since I only want to get inside this thing once, should I buy one 2gb and one 1gb to max it out at 3g ?
> Carrie

I am guessing that if it came with 1 GB, it probably has two 512 MB DIMMs.
MacTracker says this model maxes out at 3 GB.

So you could buy a single 2 GB DIMM, and replace one of the 512 MB modules, giving you 2.5 GB total, or you could buy one 2 GB and one 1 GB DIMM, replace both, and have 3 GB total.

From OWC (<http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/mac_mini/intel>):
1.0GB Memory Module (1 x 1024MB) -- $16.97
2.0GB Memory Module (1 x 2048MB) -- $29.99
3.0GB Upgrade Kit (2.0GB Module + 1.0GB Module) -- $44.99

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Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:27 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Christopher Collins" cjc1959au

Get 2 * 2GB and go the whole way.

It will make very little overall difference in the price and the system will be much happier with a matched pair of chips.

cjc

On 17/10/2012, at 2:21 PM, cnltnn <cnltnn@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Since I only want to get inside this thing once, should I buy one 2gb and one 1gb to max it out at 3g ?
>
> Thanks, Carrie
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Collins <maclist@...> wrote:
> >
> > It's not really all that difficult, but it can be a little immmmm frustrating.
> >
> > Depends on how comfortable you feel ripping computers apart.
> >
> > Buy your RAM (2 * 2GB DDR2800) and take it to your local Apple dealer.
> >
> > They will happily fit it for a minimal charge, if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself.
> >
> > Make sure the RAM is qualified for Macs or is at least a brand name (Kingston, Patriot, OWC, etc)
> >
> > cjc
> >
> > On 16/10/2012, at 12:08 PM, cnltnn <cnltnn@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Here are my specs from the system profiler:
> > > Model Name: Mac mini
> > > Model Identifier: Macmini2,1
> > > Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
> > > Processor Speed: 1.83 GHz
> > > Number Of Processors: 1
> > > Total Number Of Cores: 2
> > > L2 Cache: 2 MB
> > > Memory: 1 GB
> > > Bus Speed: 667 MHz
> > > Boot ROM Version: MM21.009A.B00
> > > SMC Version (system): 1.19f2
> > >
> > > I think I am stuck. I think only having 1 GB of memory is preventing me from upgrading to the latest iTunes which is also preventing me from getting new iBooks.
> > >
> > > My question is what memory do I buy and how difficult is it to install?
> > >
> > > My Mac Mini is new to me. I upgraded from a very old G4. This Mac is like a matchbox compared to my old one.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Carrie
> > >
> >

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