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Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
I see that when typing "your's" Apple Mail doesn't object to this spelling.
How can I remove this from the "correctly-spelled" dictionary?
From what I can Google, it seems that only user-added words can be removed.
Thanks,
Dave
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 & 750 GB
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
Mail 4.6
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How can I remove this from the "correctly-spelled" dictionary?
From what I can Google, it seems that only user-added words can be removed.
Thanks,
Dave
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 & 750 GB
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
Mail 4.6
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:33 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bekah" bekalex
Hi all,
I'm using Mail 6.2 on OS 10.8.2 - I have a group of about 30 people to whom I now (I didn't yesterday) send a monthly letter. How do I do this? Do I add each person to my contacts list? And then how do I compose the To: line to read as one name - like "Olive Teachers" without all the addresses showing?
Bekah
I'm using Mail 6.2 on OS 10.8.2 - I have a group of about 30 people to whom I now (I didn't yesterday) send a monthly letter. How do I do this? Do I add each person to my contacts list? And then how do I compose the To: line to read as one name - like "Olive Teachers" without all the addresses showing?
Bekah
Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:15 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Engberg" mrbyte
On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Bekah <bekah0176@sbcglobal
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using Mail 6.2 on OS 10.8.2 - I have a group of about 30 people to whom I now (I didn't yesterday) send a monthly letter. How do I do this? Do I add each person to my contacts list? And then how do I compose the To: line to read as one name - like "Olive Teachers" without all the addresses showing?
>
> Bekah
Send it to yourself and put all the addees in the BCC line.
Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Island Center for the Arts" monkeymannmcghee
You can make "groups" in AddressBook with groups of people you wish to contact. Then in Mail enter the name of the group in the address field of the email you want them all to receive. It works for me.
Tom
On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:15 PM, John Engberg wrote:
>
> On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Bekah <bekah0176@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm using Mail 6.2 on OS 10.8.2 - I have a group of about 30 people to whom I now (I didn't yesterday) send a monthly letter. How do I do this? Do I add each person to my contacts list? And then how do I compose the To: line to read as one name - like "Olive Teachers" without all the addresses showing?
>>
>> Bekah
>
> Send it to yourself and put all the addees in the BCC line.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Tom
On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:15 PM, John Engberg wrote:
>
> On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Bekah <bekah0176@sbcglobal
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm using Mail 6.2 on OS 10.8.2 - I have a group of about 30 people to whom I now (I didn't yesterday) send a monthly letter. How do I do this? Do I add each person to my contacts list? And then how do I compose the To: line to read as one name - like "Olive Teachers" without all the addresses showing?
>>
>> Bekah
>
> Send it to yourself and put all the addees in the BCC line.
>
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Mail uses the global Apple Address Book.
Set up a Group in Address Book. This is the basic procedure. There
are probably a bunch of plugins and add ons and Automator workflows
that could enhance things like this.
1. Launch Address Book.
2. Note the red bookmark that will show One head or Two heads near top
center of Address Book window. If you click the red Two heads bookmark
the view is changed from single contact names to Groups. If you click
the One head bookmark the view changes to single names.
3. In the Groups view, click the plus button at bottom to add a new
Group and give the Group a name.
4. Then click the All Contacts sort option at top of this listing.
5. Add contacts to your new Group by dragging them from the contacts
list on right side page to your Group on left side page.
The contact names are not removed from All Contacts but a copy is made
in the Group.
Tips:
Drag one contact name at a time, or,
Select a contiguous set of names by clicking first name, pressing Shift
key, clicking last name, then drag the bunch to your Group, or,
Select a non contiguous set of names by clicking first name, pressing
Command key, clicking a different name, and so on.
To delete a group click the group then use the Edit menu and the Delete
Group command.
6. To address a new message to a Group.
Open a new blank message.
Be sure the Show Addresses button is visible in the Message Toolbar at
top. If not visible, add it to Toolbar by selecting the View menu and
then the Customize Toolbar… command. Then drag the Address icon (a
black head) to the new message Toolbar area.
Click the Address button and the Addresses window for Mail will open.
Drag the Group name to the address field you want. It will address the
message to all members of the group.
Caution. Many people do not like for messages sent to groups to show
their email addresses to everybody. You can use the bcc field to deal
with this. bcc means blind carbon copy. Drag the Group to the bcc
field and then address the message to yourself in the main To field.
Your recipients will only see their own email address in the message
they receive.
When I do this I add a brief line at start of message body as a
courtesy that says something like, "This message is addressed via bcc
to several people."
Good luck!
Denver Dan
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:33:42 -0700, Bekah wrote:
> I'm using Mail 6.2 on OS 10.8.2 - I have a group of about 30 people
> to whom I now (I didn't yesterday) send a monthly letter. How do I
> do this? Do I add each person to my contacts list? And then how do
> I compose the To: line to read as one name - like "Olive Teachers"
> without all the addresses showing?
>
> Bekah
Mail uses the global Apple Address Book.
Set up a Group in Address Book. This is the basic procedure. There
are probably a bunch of plugins and add ons and Automator workflows
that could enhance things like this.
1. Launch Address Book.
2. Note the red bookmark that will show One head or Two heads near top
center of Address Book window. If you click the red Two heads bookmark
the view is changed from single contact names to Groups. If you click
the One head bookmark the view changes to single names.
3. In the Groups view, click the plus button at bottom to add a new
Group and give the Group a name.
4. Then click the All Contacts sort option at top of this listing.
5. Add contacts to your new Group by dragging them from the contacts
list on right side page to your Group on left side page.
The contact names are not removed from All Contacts but a copy is made
in the Group.
Tips:
Drag one contact name at a time, or,
Select a contiguous set of names by clicking first name, pressing Shift
key, clicking last name, then drag the bunch to your Group, or,
Select a non contiguous set of names by clicking first name, pressing
Command key, clicking a different name, and so on.
To delete a group click the group then use the Edit menu and the Delete
Group command.
6. To address a new message to a Group.
Open a new blank message.
Be sure the Show Addresses button is visible in the Message Toolbar at
top. If not visible, add it to Toolbar by selecting the View menu and
then the Customize Toolbar… command. Then drag the Address icon (a
black head) to the new message Toolbar area.
Click the Address button and the Addresses window for Mail will open.
Drag the Group name to the address field you want. It will address the
message to all members of the group.
Caution. Many people do not like for messages sent to groups to show
their email addresses to everybody. You can use the bcc field to deal
with this. bcc means blind carbon copy. Drag the Group to the bcc
field and then address the message to yourself in the main To field.
Your recipients will only see their own email address in the message
they receive.
When I do this I add a brief line at start of message body as a
courtesy that says something like, "This message is addressed via bcc
to several people."
Good luck!
Denver Dan
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:33:42 -0700, Bekah wrote:
> I'm using Mail 6.2 on OS 10.8.2 - I have a group of about 30 people
> to whom I now (I didn't yesterday) send a monthly letter. How do I
> do this? Do I add each person to my contacts list? And then how do
> I compose the To: line to read as one name - like "Olive Teachers"
> without all the addresses showing?
>
> Bekah
Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:51 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Actually, you don't need to put anything in the 'To' field as long as
there's something in 'CC' and/or 'BCC'.
Otto
On 26 October 2012 17:35, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Mail uses the global Apple Address Book.
>
> Set up a Group in Address Book. This is the basic procedure. There
> are probably a bunch of plugins and add ons and Automator workflows
> that could enhance things like this.
>
> 1. Launch Address Book.
>
> 2. Note the red bookmark that will show One head or Two heads near top
> center of Address Book window. If you click the red Two heads bookmark
> the view is changed from single contact names to Groups. If you click
> the One head bookmark the view changes to single names.
>
> 3. In the Groups view, click the plus button at bottom to add a new
> Group and give the Group a name.
>
> 4. Then click the All Contacts sort option at top of this listing.
>
> 5. Add contacts to your new Group by dragging them from the contacts
> list on right side page to your Group on left side page.
>
> The contact names are not removed from All Contacts but a copy is made
> in the Group.
>
> Tips:
>
> Drag one contact name at a time, or,
> Select a contiguous set of names by clicking first name, pressing Shift
> key, clicking last name, then drag the bunch to your Group, or,
> Select a non contiguous set of names by clicking first name, pressing
> Command key, clicking a different name, and so on.
>
> To delete a group click the group then use the Edit menu and the Delete
> Group command.
>
> 6. To address a new message to a Group.
>
> Open a new blank message.
>
> Be sure the Show Addresses button is visible in the Message Toolbar at
> top. If not visible, add it to Toolbar by selecting the View menu and
> then the Customize Toolbar� command. Then drag the Address icon (a
> black head) to the new message Toolbar area.
>
> Click the Address button and the Addresses window for Mail will open.
>
> Drag the Group name to the address field you want. It will address the
> message to all members of the group.
>
> Caution. Many people do not like for messages sent to groups to show
> their email addresses to everybody. You can use the bcc field to deal
> with this. bcc means blind carbon copy. Drag the Group to the bcc
> field and then address the message to yourself in the main To field.
> Your recipients will only see their own email address in the message
> they receive.
>
> When I do this I add a brief line at start of message body as a
> courtesy that says something like, "This message is addressed via bcc
> to several people."
>
> Good luck!
>
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there's something in 'CC' and/or 'BCC'.
Otto
On 26 October 2012 17:35, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Howdy.
>
> Mail uses the global Apple Address Book.
>
> Set up a Group in Address Book. This is the basic procedure. There
> are probably a bunch of plugins and add ons and Automator workflows
> that could enhance things like this.
>
> 1. Launch Address Book.
>
> 2. Note the red bookmark that will show One head or Two heads near top
> center of Address Book window. If you click the red Two heads bookmark
> the view is changed from single contact names to Groups. If you click
> the One head bookmark the view changes to single names.
>
> 3. In the Groups view, click the plus button at bottom to add a new
> Group and give the Group a name.
>
> 4. Then click the All Contacts sort option at top of this listing.
>
> 5. Add contacts to your new Group by dragging them from the contacts
> list on right side page to your Group on left side page.
>
> The contact names are not removed from All Contacts but a copy is made
> in the Group.
>
> Tips:
>
> Drag one contact name at a time, or,
> Select a contiguous set of names by clicking first name, pressing Shift
> key, clicking last name, then drag the bunch to your Group, or,
> Select a non contiguous set of names by clicking first name, pressing
> Command key, clicking a different name, and so on.
>
> To delete a group click the group then use the Edit menu and the Delete
> Group command.
>
> 6. To address a new message to a Group.
>
> Open a new blank message.
>
> Be sure the Show Addresses button is visible in the Message Toolbar at
> top. If not visible, add it to Toolbar by selecting the View menu and
> then the Customize Toolbar� command. Then drag the Address icon (a
> black head) to the new message Toolbar area.
>
> Click the Address button and the Addresses window for Mail will open.
>
> Drag the Group name to the address field you want. It will address the
> message to all members of the group.
>
> Caution. Many people do not like for messages sent to groups to show
> their email addresses to everybody. You can use the bcc field to deal
> with this. bcc means blind carbon copy. Drag the Group to the bcc
> field and then address the message to yourself in the main To field.
> Your recipients will only see their own email address in the message
> they receive.
>
> When I do this I add a brief line at start of message body as a
> courtesy that says something like, "This message is addressed via bcc
> to several people."
>
> Good luck!
>
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:40 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"apple" tanya.metaksa@att.net
You could try 1Password. It is not free, but works on computer, iphone and iPad and they are linked.
Link: https://agilebits.com/onepassword
Tanya
On Oct 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Jann <jannsmailinglists@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a password program for my iPad/iPhone and MAC? My son suggested one to me which I downloaded. It required another program be installed, and I could not get it to install. My son tried too. (I am thinking Password Keeper or something like that)
>
> Thanks,
> Jann
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Link: https://agilebits.
Tanya
On Oct 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Jann <jannsmailinglists@
> Can anyone suggest a password program for my iPad/iPhone and MAC? My son suggested one to me which I downloaded. It required another program be installed, and I could not get it to install. My son tried too. (I am thinking Password Keeper or something like that)
>
> Thanks,
> Jann
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"mcneil_bruce" mcneil_bruce
I use 1Password and sync the encrypted file to DropBox (they have instruction in the 1Password support area).
Bruce
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , apple <tanya.metaksa@...> wrote:
>
> You could try 1Password. It is not free, but works on computer, iphone and iPad and they are linked.
> Link: https://agilebits.com/onepassword
> Tanya
> On Oct 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Jann <jannsmailinglists@...> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone suggest a password program for my iPad/iPhone and MAC? My son suggested one to me which I downloaded. It required another program be installed, and I could not get it to install. My son tried too. (I am thinking Password Keeper or something like that)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jann
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Bruce
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> You could try 1Password. It is not free, but works on computer, iphone and iPad and they are linked.
> Link: https://agilebits.
> Tanya
> On Oct 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Jann <jannsmailinglists@
>
> > Can anyone suggest a password program for my iPad/iPhone and MAC? My son suggested one to me which I downloaded. It required another program be installed, and I could not get it to install. My son tried too. (I am thinking Password Keeper or something like that)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jann
> >
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:55 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"pat412255" pat412255
In this case, the person could sync to his desktop computer. I have a friend that's using an iPad2 with an Apple TV & no computer at all. He's thrilled with the devices & has had no problems at all in the six months that he's been using them.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Bekah <bekah0176@...> wrote:
>
> But wouldn't the trouble with an iPad be that you need a computer to sync it to? Perhaps he should simply have a nice little laptop -
>
> Bekah
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> But wouldn't the trouble with an iPad be that you need a computer to sync it to? Perhaps he should simply have a nice little laptop -
>
> Bekah
Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"bj" jblair44
People can set it up & not use iTunes (I've heard of it being done) but I
wouldn't want to do it that way. You don't *have* to sync it.
Check the iPad group for more on this.
bj
-----Original Message-----
From: Bekah
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:54 AM
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [macsupport] iPad for a Windows user?
But wouldn't the trouble with an iPad be that you need a computer to sync it
to? Perhaps he should simply have a nice little laptop -
Bekah
wouldn't want to do it that way. You don't *have* to sync it.
Check the iPad group for more on this.
bj
-----Original Message-----
From: Bekah
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:54 AM
To: macsupportcentral@
Subject: Re: [macsupport] iPad for a Windows user?
But wouldn't the trouble with an iPad be that you need a computer to sync it
to? Perhaps he should simply have a nice little laptop -
Bekah
Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"bj" jblair44
-----Original Message-----
From: Denver Dan
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:42 AM
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [macsupport] iPad for a Windows user?
Howdy.
Get him the iPad.
I received one in June as a gift.
It is astonishing. I cart it around the house.
=======================================
I didn't want to gush -- but I *love* my iPad (both 1 & 3).
I got the 1 as soon as it came out, as a sort of Giant Touch -- after
finding myself tethered to my Touch2 for several months. :-)
For reading, I mostly use the Kindle app for boughten books & GoodReader for
a bunch of other types of books & docs & so on (it handles a lot of file
types). I don't do much with iBooks, no Nook or Google.
I've also just gotten a Kindle Paperwhite for those (unfortunately
anticipated) times when I'll want something for reading but with way longer
battery life than a "tablet" -- while still having some sort of
built-in-lighting.
bj
From: Denver Dan
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:42 AM
To: macsupportcentral@
Subject: Re: [macsupport] iPad for a Windows user?
Howdy.
Get him the iPad.
I received one in June as a gift.
It is astonishing. I cart it around the house.
============
I didn't want to gush -- but I *love* my iPad (both 1 & 3).
I got the 1 as soon as it came out, as a sort of Giant Touch -- after
finding myself tethered to my Touch2 for several months. :-)
For reading, I mostly use the Kindle app for boughten books & GoodReader for
a bunch of other types of books & docs & so on (it handles a lot of file
types). I don't do much with iBooks, no Nook or Google.
I've also just gotten a Kindle Paperwhite for those (unfortunately
anticipated) times when I'll want something for reading but with way longer
battery life than a "tablet" -- while still having some sort of
built-in-lighting.
bj
Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"bj" jblair44
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:03 AM
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [macsupport] Re: iPad for a Windows user?
I like the suggestion of buying a lamp, but I think he wants a window view,
too!
I don't really understand what a tablet offers someone like me who has a
laptop. Seems that having a SS drive makes the laptop light enough to carry
around, and having a keyboard is essential for typing emails. However, for
someone stuck with a desktop, I'm thinking that the portability of a tablet
would be a lot cheaper than a full-blown laptop.
Ken S.
==================================
I think you can buy "fake windows" complete with changing scenery, for
landlocked cubicles. :-)
A laptop, even the littlest ones, are still more awkward for using in an
actual lap, such as when relaxing in a chair with your feet up on a
footstool. It depends on your "relaxed sitting" style whether or not a
clamshell rather than flat type device would work for you.
It doesn't for me -- nor would it prop up on my exercycle rack. :-)
Laptops come at all different price points -- and so do tablets, now.
Depends on what you mean by "full blown" laptop & what you might want to
have in a tablet.
I don't do more than "lite typing" on anything but my desk-bound keyboard,
although the PC it's attached to is itself a laptop.
bj
From: Ken
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:03 AM
To: macsupportcentral@
Subject: [macsupport] Re: iPad for a Windows user?
I like the suggestion of buying a lamp, but I think he wants a window view,
too!
I don't really understand what a tablet offers someone like me who has a
laptop. Seems that having a SS drive makes the laptop light enough to carry
around, and having a keyboard is essential for typing emails. However, for
someone stuck with a desktop, I'm thinking that the portability of a tablet
would be a lot cheaper than a full-blown laptop.
Ken S.
============
I think you can buy "fake windows" complete with changing scenery, for
landlocked cubicles. :-)
A laptop, even the littlest ones, are still more awkward for using in an
actual lap, such as when relaxing in a chair with your feet up on a
footstool. It depends on your "relaxed sitting" style whether or not a
clamshell rather than flat type device would work for you.
It doesn't for me -- nor would it prop up on my exercycle rack. :-)
Laptops come at all different price points -- and so do tablets, now.
Depends on what you mean by "full blown" laptop & what you might want to
have in a tablet.
I don't do more than "lite typing" on anything but my desk-bound keyboard,
although the PC it's attached to is itself a laptop.
bj
Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:14 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I think you would need to sync occasionally but more and more the iOS
devices seem to become more independent of the computer. For example,
I just installed iOS 6 on my iPad via WiFi and not synced with my Mac.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:54:07 -0700, Bekah wrote:
> But wouldn't the trouble with an iPad be that you need a computer to
> sync it to? Perhaps he should simply have a nice little laptop -
>
> Bekah
I think you would need to sync occasionally but more and more the iOS
devices seem to become more independent of the computer. For example,
I just installed iOS 6 on my iPad via WiFi and not synced with my Mac.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:54:07 -0700, Bekah wrote:
> But wouldn't the trouble with an iPad be that you need a computer to
> sync it to? Perhaps he should simply have a nice little laptop -
>
> Bekah
Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:27 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I don't really understand what a tablet offers someone like me who has a
> laptop. Seems that having a SS drive makes the laptop light enough to carry
> around, and having a keyboard is essential for typing emails.
Retina display 4th-gen iPad -- 1.46 pounds
Retina display 13" Macbook Pro -- 3.57 pounds
Not a trivial difference. 60% lighter.
> However, for someone stuck with a desktop, I'm thinking that the portability of a tablet would be a lot cheaper than a full-blown laptop.
For someone stuck with a LAPTOP, the portability of a tablet is impressively life-easing.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
> laptop. Seems that having a SS drive makes the laptop light enough to carry
> around, and having a keyboard is essential for typing emails.
Retina display 4th-gen iPad -- 1.46 pounds
Retina display 13" Macbook Pro -- 3.57 pounds
Not a trivial difference. 60% lighter.
> However, for someone stuck with a desktop, I'm thinking that the portability of a tablet would be a lot cheaper than a full-blown laptop.
For someone stuck with a LAPTOP, the portability of a tablet is impressively life-easing.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Masters" joemastersk
On 26 Oct 2012, at 17:27, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
> > I don't really understand what a tablet offers someone like me who has a
> > laptop. Seems that having a SS drive makes the laptop light enough to carry
> > around, and having a keyboard is essential for typing emails.
>
> Retina display 4th-gen iPad -- 1.46 pounds
> Retina display 13" Macbook Pro -- 3.57 pounds
> Not a trivial difference. 60% lighter.
>
> > However, for someone stuck with a desktop, I'm thinking that the portability of a tablet would be a lot cheaper than a full-blown laptop.
>
> For someone stuck with a LAPTOP, the portability of a tablet is impressively life-easing.
>
>
I am seriously thinking of selling my MacBook as I now use my iPad (3rd gen) for everything I used the MacBook for and a lot more besides.
John
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