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Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Patsy Price" beyondwords2
Oh! It's back to me! Even though I said I could live with the problem.
So how, using Activity Monitor, do I know how much RAM is being used?
Which numbers should I give you?
What other info do you want? What experiments do you suggest I try?
And in Activity Monitor in System Memory View, how do you read
numbers when they keep changing, and when the lines jump around and
some disappear and then reappear?
A few minutes ago I noticed that the %CPU for DirectorShockwave went
way down when I minimized the windows that involved Shockwave, but
the Real Mem number stayed more or less the same. When I closed both
windows that involved Shockwave, the line in Activity Monitor for
DirectorShockwave disappeared.
It's been suggested to me elsewhere that Flash might also be a
culprit. Or something else. Or just Safari.
Incidentally, I use Click2PlugIn, so Flash and Shockwave run only
when I want them to. My other extension is Do Not Track Plus. I have
Glims, but everything is off except Add Search Engines.
The memory leak, or whatever it is, increases gradually over a few
days till I restart. I restarted this morning after being low on RAM,
and at the end of today I still have lots of RAM available while
running essentially the same programs as for the past month. I don't
expect to feel the RAM pinch again for a few days, maybe even a bit
longer now that I'm watching!
Patsy
OS 10.6.8
Safari 5.1.7
4 GB RAM
Otto said:
>They can not "vanish" if large amounts of RAM fail to become available for
>reuse when the app responsible is closed down*. There is something wrong
>here and it would be useful if Patsy gave us more info, such as how much
>RAM is in use when Shockwave is in use, and how much when it is closed.
>
>*Most of it should become available when the app is merely idle. Only a
>small "core" amount of RAM is necessary to keep an app running but idle.
>On 17 October 2012 21:20, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com > wrote:
>> This isn't a snow leopard issue. Adequate RAM is. Problems vanish w
>> enough. jr
So how, using Activity Monitor, do I know how much RAM is being used?
Which numbers should I give you?
What other info do you want? What experiments do you suggest I try?
And in Activity Monitor in System Memory View, how do you read
numbers when they keep changing, and when the lines jump around and
some disappear and then reappear?
A few minutes ago I noticed that the %CPU for DirectorShockwave went
way down when I minimized the windows that involved Shockwave, but
the Real Mem number stayed more or less the same. When I closed both
windows that involved Shockwave, the line in Activity Monitor for
DirectorShockwave disappeared.
It's been suggested to me elsewhere that Flash might also be a
culprit. Or something else. Or just Safari.
Incidentally, I use Click2PlugIn, so Flash and Shockwave run only
when I want them to. My other extension is Do Not Track Plus. I have
Glims, but everything is off except Add Search Engines.
The memory leak, or whatever it is, increases gradually over a few
days till I restart. I restarted this morning after being low on RAM,
and at the end of today I still have lots of RAM available while
running essentially the same programs as for the past month. I don't
expect to feel the RAM pinch again for a few days, maybe even a bit
longer now that I'm watching!
Patsy
OS 10.6.8
Safari 5.1.7
4 GB RAM
Otto said:
>They can not "vanish" if large amounts of RAM fail to become available for
>reuse when the app responsible is closed down*. There is something wrong
>here and it would be useful if Patsy gave us more info, such as how much
>RAM is in use when Shockwave is in use, and how much when it is closed.
>
>*Most of it should become available when the app is merely idle. Only a
>small "core" amount of RAM is necessary to keep an app running but idle.
>On 17 October 2012 21:20, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.
>> This isn't a snow leopard issue. Adequate RAM is. Problems vanish w
>> enough. jr
Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Oct 17, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Patsy Price wrote:
> That's what I thought. But Snow Leopard doesn't seem to be able to
> access a significant portion of the RAM that Safari and Shockwave
> have been using, even after quitting Safari.
Unless you are having a performance problem, or you are getting out of memory errors, I'd stay away from utilities that tell you about RAM use.
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
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Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:56 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Randy's advice is good, but I think a rough idea won't do any harm. Don't
worry about the exact numbers: just look at the pie chart under System
Memory in the lower pane.
Otto
On 18 October 2012 04:12, Patsy Price <beyondwords@shaw.ca > wrote:
> Oh! It's back to me! Even though I said I could live with the problem.
>
> So how, using Activity Monitor, do I know how much RAM is being used?
> Which numbers should I give you?
>
> What other info do you want? What experiments do you suggest I try?
>
> And in Activity Monitor in System Memory View, how do you read
> numbers when they keep changing, and when the lines jump around and
> some disappear and then reappear?
>
> A few minutes ago I noticed that the %CPU for DirectorShockwave went
> way down when I minimized the windows that involved Shockwave, but
> the Real Mem number stayed more or less the same. When I closed both
> windows that involved Shockwave, the line in Activity Monitor for
> DirectorShockwave disappeared.
>
> It's been suggested to me elsewhere that Flash might also be a
> culprit. Or something else. Or just Safari.
>
> Incidentally, I use Click2PlugIn, so Flash and Shockwave run only
> when I want them to. My other extension is Do Not Track Plus. I have
> Glims, but everything is off except Add Search Engines.
>
> The memory leak, or whatever it is, increases gradually over a few
> days till I restart. I restarted this morning after being low on RAM,
> and at the end of today I still have lots of RAM available while
> running essentially the same programs as for the past month. I don't
> expect to feel the RAM pinch again for a few days, maybe even a bit
> longer now that I'm watching!
>
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worry about the exact numbers: just look at the pie chart under System
Memory in the lower pane.
Otto
On 18 October 2012 04:12, Patsy Price <beyondwords@
> Oh! It's back to me! Even though I said I could live with the problem.
>
> So how, using Activity Monitor, do I know how much RAM is being used?
> Which numbers should I give you?
>
> What other info do you want? What experiments do you suggest I try?
>
> And in Activity Monitor in System Memory View, how do you read
> numbers when they keep changing, and when the lines jump around and
> some disappear and then reappear?
>
> A few minutes ago I noticed that the %CPU for DirectorShockwave went
> way down when I minimized the windows that involved Shockwave, but
> the Real Mem number stayed more or less the same. When I closed both
> windows that involved Shockwave, the line in Activity Monitor for
> DirectorShockwave disappeared.
>
> It's been suggested to me elsewhere that Flash might also be a
> culprit. Or something else. Or just Safari.
>
> Incidentally, I use Click2PlugIn, so Flash and Shockwave run only
> when I want them to. My other extension is Do Not Track Plus. I have
> Glims, but everything is off except Add Search Engines.
>
> The memory leak, or whatever it is, increases gradually over a few
> days till I restart. I restarted this morning after being low on RAM,
> and at the end of today I still have lots of RAM available while
> running essentially the same programs as for the past month. I don't
> expect to feel the RAM pinch again for a few days, maybe even a bit
> longer now that I'm watching!
>
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Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:23 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
Hi,
Interpreting whether or not your system is running out of ram is more
complicated than you might think, which is why some people are
suggesting you do not pay so much attention to Activity Monitor.
You need to bear in mind it is totally normal for your system to use all
of its ram. In fact, you should want it to. The ram in your machine is a
precious resource, it provides the fastest access to data available so
your system will perform better if it uses it to its full extent. The
system will first allocate ram for any applications etc. that need it,
to hold their data etc., but then anything left over will be used to
improve the system performance. One way it does this for instance, is by
using the left over ram to cache recently accessed files in memory, so
if the system needs them again they are immediately available, without
having to go back to the much slower hard disk (or even SDD). ram sat
around doing nothing is a waste, and the system knows this, so it only
does this when it needs to.
Depending on how you measure ram usage, this file cache (or similar)
will be included, which is why you will see your system using all its
ram. This though in itself does *not* mean your system is running out of
ram. If at any point it needs to allocate more for application data, it
will simple dump part of this file cache to do so. Restarting your
machine just because the memory usage appears to be 100% might appear to
help, because after this the file cache will be empty so you will have
completely free ram. But really, you aren't really doing anything here
that helps.
I would pay attention to the amount of swap space your system is using,
and if you have large amounts of pages in/out (basically,
reading/writing from that swap). swap is when the system really does
start to run out of ram, and has to resort to using disc space instead.
This is much much slower, so will really impact of system performance.
If you system is regularly needing this, it needs more ram. Otherwise,
do not be concerned by 100% ram usage.
Of course, you might actually have an application you use with a real
memory leak. If this is the case you should try and figure out which it
is and report to to the developers. My bet though, is more what you are
seeing isn't this and just normal system behaviour and nothing to be
concerned about.
cheers Chris
On 18/10/12 04:12, Patsy Price wrote:
> Oh! It's back to me! Even though I said I could live with the problem.
>
> So how, using Activity Monitor, do I know how much RAM is being used?
> Which numbers should I give you?
>
> What other info do you want? What experiments do you suggest I try?
>
> And in Activity Monitor in System Memory View, how do you read
> numbers when they keep changing, and when the lines jump around and
> some disappear and then reappear?
>
> A few minutes ago I noticed that the %CPU for DirectorShockwave went
> way down when I minimized the windows that involved Shockwave, but
> the Real Mem number stayed more or less the same. When I closed both
> windows that involved Shockwave, the line in Activity Monitor for
> DirectorShockwave disappeared.
>
> It's been suggested to me elsewhere that Flash might also be a
> culprit. Or something else. Or just Safari.
>
> Incidentally, I use Click2PlugIn, so Flash and Shockwave run only
> when I want them to. My other extension is Do Not Track Plus. I have
> Glims, but everything is off except Add Search Engines.
>
> The memory leak, or whatever it is, increases gradually over a few
> days till I restart. I restarted this morning after being low on RAM,
> and at the end of today I still have lots of RAM available while
> running essentially the same programs as for the past month. I don't
> expect to feel the RAM pinch again for a few days, maybe even a bit
> longer now that I'm watching!
>
> Patsy
> OS 10.6.8
> Safari 5.1.7
> 4 GB RAM
>
>
>
>
>
> Otto said:
>> They can not "vanish" if large amounts of RAM fail to become available for
>> reuse when the app responsible is closed down*. There is something wrong
>> here and it would be useful if Patsy gave us more info, such as how much
>> RAM is in use when Shockwave is in use, and how much when it is closed.
>>
>> *Most of it should become available when the app is merely idle. Only a
>> small "core" amount of RAM is necessary to keep an app running but idle.
>
>> On 17 October 2012 21:20, HAL9000<jrswebhome@yahoo.com > wrote:
>>> This isn't a snow leopard issue. Adequate RAM is. Problems vanish w
>>> enough. jr
>
>
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Interpreting whether or not your system is running out of ram is more
complicated than you might think, which is why some people are
suggesting you do not pay so much attention to Activity Monitor.
You need to bear in mind it is totally normal for your system to use all
of its ram. In fact, you should want it to. The ram in your machine is a
precious resource, it provides the fastest access to data available so
your system will perform better if it uses it to its full extent. The
system will first allocate ram for any applications etc. that need it,
to hold their data etc., but then anything left over will be used to
improve the system performance. One way it does this for instance, is by
using the left over ram to cache recently accessed files in memory, so
if the system needs them again they are immediately available, without
having to go back to the much slower hard disk (or even SDD). ram sat
around doing nothing is a waste, and the system knows this, so it only
does this when it needs to.
Depending on how you measure ram usage, this file cache (or similar)
will be included, which is why you will see your system using all its
ram. This though in itself does *not* mean your system is running out of
ram. If at any point it needs to allocate more for application data, it
will simple dump part of this file cache to do so. Restarting your
machine just because the memory usage appears to be 100% might appear to
help, because after this the file cache will be empty so you will have
completely free ram. But really, you aren't really doing anything here
that helps.
I would pay attention to the amount of swap space your system is using,
and if you have large amounts of pages in/out (basically,
reading/writing from that swap). swap is when the system really does
start to run out of ram, and has to resort to using disc space instead.
This is much much slower, so will really impact of system performance.
If you system is regularly needing this, it needs more ram. Otherwise,
do not be concerned by 100% ram usage.
Of course, you might actually have an application you use with a real
memory leak. If this is the case you should try and figure out which it
is and report to to the developers. My bet though, is more what you are
seeing isn't this and just normal system behaviour and nothing to be
concerned about.
cheers Chris
On 18/10/12 04:12, Patsy Price wrote:
> Oh! It's back to me! Even though I said I could live with the problem.
>
> So how, using Activity Monitor, do I know how much RAM is being used?
> Which numbers should I give you?
>
> What other info do you want? What experiments do you suggest I try?
>
> And in Activity Monitor in System Memory View, how do you read
> numbers when they keep changing, and when the lines jump around and
> some disappear and then reappear?
>
> A few minutes ago I noticed that the %CPU for DirectorShockwave went
> way down when I minimized the windows that involved Shockwave, but
> the Real Mem number stayed more or less the same. When I closed both
> windows that involved Shockwave, the line in Activity Monitor for
> DirectorShockwave disappeared.
>
> It's been suggested to me elsewhere that Flash might also be a
> culprit. Or something else. Or just Safari.
>
> Incidentally, I use Click2PlugIn, so Flash and Shockwave run only
> when I want them to. My other extension is Do Not Track Plus. I have
> Glims, but everything is off except Add Search Engines.
>
> The memory leak, or whatever it is, increases gradually over a few
> days till I restart. I restarted this morning after being low on RAM,
> and at the end of today I still have lots of RAM available while
> running essentially the same programs as for the past month. I don't
> expect to feel the RAM pinch again for a few days, maybe even a bit
> longer now that I'm watching!
>
> Patsy
> OS 10.6.8
> Safari 5.1.7
> 4 GB RAM
>
>
>
>
>
> Otto said:
>> They can not "vanish" if large amounts of RAM fail to become available for
>> reuse when the app responsible is closed down*. There is something wrong
>> here and it would be useful if Patsy gave us more info, such as how much
>> RAM is in use when Shockwave is in use, and how much when it is closed.
>>
>> *Most of it should become available when the app is merely idle. Only a
>> small "core" amount of RAM is necessary to keep an app running but idle.
>
>> On 17 October 2012 21:20, HAL9000<jrswebhome@yahoo.
>>> This isn't a snow leopard issue. Adequate RAM is. Problems vanish w
>>> enough. jr
>
>
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Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
Why do some images shot on the iPhone4, imported to iPhoto 9 on my iMac, open in RAW and some in CS5? They were shot on the iPhone4 within 5 minutes of each other in portrait and landscape. I don't understand why one is opened in RAW and another opens in CS5?
Any insight would be appreciated. jr
Any insight would be appreciated. jr
Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:51 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Surely the iPhone can't save in RAW format, and how can importing to iPhoto
open files in CS5? This isn't making any sense to me.
Otto
On 18 October 2012 04:12, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Why do some images shot on the iPhone4, imported to iPhoto 9 on my iMac,
> open in RAW and some in CS5? They were shot on the iPhone4 within 5 minutes
> of each other in portrait and landscape. I don't understand why one is
> opened in RAW and another opens in CS5?
>
> Any insight would be appreciated. jr
>
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open files in CS5? This isn't making any sense to me.
Otto
On 18 October 2012 04:12, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.
> Why do some images shot on the iPhone4, imported to iPhoto 9 on my iMac,
> open in RAW and some in CS5? They were shot on the iPhone4 within 5 minutes
> of each other in portrait and landscape. I don't understand why one is
> opened in RAW and another opens in CS5?
>
> Any insight would be appreciated. jr
>
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Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:30 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
Hi,
I see that this group of scripts includes one to schedule sending of messages in Apple Mail:
<http://www.andreasamann.com/MacOSX/Mail_Scripts >
Anyone know of other such add-ons for Mail or other ways to do this automatically?
Thanks,
Dave
I see that this group of scripts includes one to schedule sending of messages in Apple Mail:
<http://www.andreasa
Anyone know of other such add-ons for Mail or other ways to do this automatically?
Thanks,
Dave
Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:50 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Oct 18, 2012, at 12:30 AM, Dave C wrote:
> I see that this group of scripts includes one to schedule sending of messages in Apple Mail:
>
> <http://www.andreasa
>
> Anyone know of other such add-ons for Mail or other ways to do this automatically?
MailScheduler ($26)
http://www.mrose.
http://www.mrose.
http://www.mrose.
http://www.mrose.
iCalMail (free)
http://shullian.
If you would like a resource for finding Apple Mail add-ons, see:
http://www.hawkwing
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
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Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"DaveC" davec2468
Hi,
I see that this group of scripts includes one to schedule sending of
messages in Apple Mail:
<http://www.andreasamann.com/MacOSX/Mail_Scripts >
Anyone know of other such add-ons for Mail or other ways to do this
automatically?
Thanks,
Dave
I see that this group of scripts includes one to schedule sending of
messages in Apple Mail:
<http://www.andreasa
Anyone know of other such add-ons for Mail or other ways to do this
automatically?
Thanks,
Dave
Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:10 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Oct 18, 2012, at 1:05 AM, DaveC wrote:
> Hi,
> I see that this group of scripts includes one to schedule sending of
> messages in Apple Mail:
>
> <http://www.andreasa
>
> Anyone know of other such add-ons for Mail or other ways to do this
> automatically?
You already sent this message to the list half an hour ago.
And I've since replied. Did you miss the reply?
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
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Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"DaveC" davec2468
>You already sent this message to the list half an hour ago.
>
>And I've since replied. Did you miss the reply?
>Randy B. Singer
Sorry Randy. Am switching over from Eudora to Mail -- confusion
abounds... temporarily.
Thanks for your suggestions. I'll choose one of them.
Cheers,
Dave
>
>And I've since replied. Did you miss the reply?
>Randy B. Singer
Sorry Randy. Am switching over from Eudora to Mail -- confusion
abounds... temporarily.
Thanks for your suggestions. I'll choose one of them.
Cheers,
Dave
Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:54 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Oct 18, 2012, at 1:42 AM, DaveC wrote:
> Sorry Randy. Am switching over from Eudora to Mail -- confusion
> abounds... temporarily.
If you need a basic tutorial on Mail, there's a free one here:
http://www.apple.
and a two part one here:
http://www.youtube.
http://www.youtube.
There's a more advanced one here:
http://www.atomicle
Even more advanced:
Take Control of Apple Mail in Mountain Lion
$15 e-book
http://www.takecont
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
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Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:39 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
I nearly said iPhoto *or Image Capture*, which has the same option in
Preferences. Shame I didn't because I assumed you had iPhoto installed.
I don't know AutoImporter. Is that a third party app? Have you tried
Default Apps (RCDefaultApp)?
<http://www.rubicode.com/Software/RCDefaultApp/ >
Otto
On 18 October 2012 00:58, C_Harry_Nash <c_harry_nash@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:
> Otto, you are a genius! I dug out my old Leopard install disks, installed
> iPhoto onto Lion and did as you said. Also wiped details from AutoImporter
> prefs for good measure. At last, after years, it works as it always should
> have!
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Preferences. Shame I didn't because I assumed you had iPhoto installed.
I don't know AutoImporter. Is that a third party app? Have you tried
Default Apps (RCDefaultApp)
<http://www.rubicode
Otto
On 18 October 2012 00:58, C_Harry_Nash <c_harry_nash@
> Otto, you are a genius! I dug out my old Leopard install disks, installed
> iPhoto onto Lion and did as you said. Also wiped details from AutoImporter
> prefs for good measure. At last, after years, it works as it always should
> have!
>
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Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:45 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
It will simply not "see" the last 1 GB.
Otto
On 18 October 2012 04:11, <cnltnn@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Will have a problem with 4GB if it can only take 3GB?
>
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Otto
On 18 October 2012 04:11, <cnltnn@yahoo.
> Will have a problem with 4GB if it can only take 3GB?
>
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Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:50 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"mpstupinski@snet.net" mstupinski
I bought an Apple TV, and in the process of exploring it I tried to play music from iTunes on my iMac only to get the message that I had to sign up for iTunes Match to access the music. I never considered doing this before and seem to remember that there were disadvantages, including no longer having an up-to-date library installed on your devices if you were not in a position where you could connect with iCloud.
I've learned to be leery about my memory about stuff like that, and much of what I got about iTunes Match from a Google search seemed to be somewhat dated, so I decided to ask for opinions here. Would anyone here please help me on this?
Thanks,
.................Mike
I've learned to be leery about my memory about stuff like that, and much of what I got about iTunes Match from a Google search seemed to be somewhat dated, so I decided to ask for opinions here. Would anyone here please help me on this?
Thanks,
............
Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:50 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"mpstupinski@snet.net" mstupinski
I bought an Apple TV, and in the process of exploring it I tried to play music from iTunes on my iMac only to get the message that I had to sign up for iTunes Match to access the music. I never considered doing this before and seem to remember that there were disadvantages, including no longer having an up-to-date library installed on your devices if you were not in a position where you could connect with iCloud.
I've learned to be leery about my memory about stuff like that, and much of what I got about iTunes Match from a Google search seemed to be somewhat dated, so I decided to ask for opinions here. Would anyone here please help me on this?
Thanks,
.................Mike
I've learned to be leery about my memory about stuff like that, and much of what I got about iTunes Match from a Google search seemed to be somewhat dated, so I decided to ask for opinions here. Would anyone here please help me on this?
Thanks,
............
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