2/16/2012

[apple-iphone] Digest Number 2903

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1a.

Re: OtterBox Defender Problem

Posted by: "ROGER PROKIC" rprokic@me.com   rprokic

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:08 am (PST)



You have the new 4S version of the Defender case. Vic has the old 4 version.

---
Roger Prokic

-=[ this message was sent from my Apple iPhone 4S with iOS 5.1beta3]=-

On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Tara Payne <hijump1@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, there isn't any plastic over that opening. There is an almost triangle shape opening around the camera, sensor, and ear piece.
> http://m.otterbox.com/iPhone-4-/-4S-Defender-Series-Case/APL2-I4SUN,default,pd.html?dwvar_APL2-I4SUN_color=E7&start=3&cgid=defender-series-cases
>
> Tara
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "vsperlman" <vsperlman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have now done some research, and it is the same problem, Tara. After cruising around some websites and watching a bunch of YouTube videos, there is an easy fix. If you take the case apart and turn the front section over so that you are looking at the back of the front section, you will see that there is a piece of clear plastic that covers the openings for the proximity sensor, speaker and lens. It is actually a separate piece from the clear cover that goes over the rest of the front of the phone. If you pry that little piece of clear plastic off so that there is no longer any clear plastic covering the openings for the proximity sensor, etc., the problem is solved.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Tara Payne <hijump1@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just noticed on my white 4s with otter box defender on that my sensor doesn't work. I can't find anything on that. I rarely talk holding the handset so it hasn't been a problem.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any info on that?
>>>
>>> Tara 
>>>
>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Brent <flapdoodle@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found this on the Otterbox support page. It is a known problem and they
>>>> will replace the case.
>>>>
>>>> http://answers.otterbox.com/answers/8831/product/APL2-I4XXX/questions.htm?page=11&sort=recenta&dir=asc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:52 AM, vsperlman <vsperlman@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Brent <flapdoodle@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have this problem with the proximity sensor with the case removed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:04 AM, vsperlman <vsperlman@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a white iPhone 4 on AT&T and just got an OtterBox Defender for
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> There seems to be a compatibility problem between the phone's proximity
>>>>>>> sensor and the case. When I am on a call and have the phone up to my
>>>>> year,
>>>>>>> the touchscreen stays lit and active. Pressure against my cheek can
>>>>>>> activate various unwanted functions. Does anyone have a clue as to
>>>>> whether
>>>>>>> this is a common problem and/or whether there is anything I can do
>>>>> about
>>>>>>> it, other than get a different kind of case? TIA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vic
>
>
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Re: OtterBox Defender Problem

Posted by: "Tara Payne" hijump1@yahoo.com   tmayner

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:36 am (PST)



Any ideas why my proximity sensor isn't working?

-----Original Message-----
From: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROGER PROKIC
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:39 AM
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] Re: OtterBox Defender Problem

You have the new 4S version of the Defender case. Vic has the old 4 version.

---
Roger Prokic

-=[ this message was sent from my Apple iPhone 4S with iOS 5.1beta3]=-

On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Tara Payne <hijump1@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, there isn't any plastic over that opening. There is an almost triangle shape opening around the camera, sensor, and ear piece.
> http://m.otterbox.com/iPhone-4-/-4S-Defender-Series-Case/APL2-I4SUN,de
> fault,pd.html?dwvar_APL2-I4SUN_color=E7&start=3&cgid=defender-series-c
> ases
>
> Tara
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "vsperlman" <vsperlman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have now done some research, and it is the same problem, Tara. After cruising around some websites and watching a bunch of YouTube videos, there is an easy fix. If you take the case apart and turn the front section over so that you are looking at the back of the front section, you will see that there is a piece of clear plastic that covers the openings for the proximity sensor, speaker and lens. It is actually a separate piece from the clear cover that goes over the rest of the front of the phone. If you pry that little piece of clear plastic off so that there is no longer any clear plastic covering the openings for the proximity sensor, etc., the problem is solved.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Tara Payne <hijump1@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just noticed on my white 4s with otter box defender on that my sensor doesn't work. I can't find anything on that. I rarely talk holding the handset so it hasn't been a problem.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any info on that?
>>>
>>> Tara 
>>>
>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Brent <flapdoodle@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found this on the Otterbox support page. It is a known problem
>>>> and they will replace the case.
>>>>
>>>> http://answers.otterbox.com/answers/8831/product/APL2-I4XXX/questio
>>>> ns.htm?page=11&sort=recenta&dir=asc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:52 AM, vsperlman <vsperlman@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Brent <flapdoodle@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have this problem with the proximity sensor with the case removed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:04 AM, vsperlman <vsperlman@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a white iPhone 4 on AT&T and just got an OtterBox
>>>>>>> Defender for
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> There seems to be a compatibility problem between the phone's
>>>>>>> proximity sensor and the case. When I am on a call and have the
>>>>>>> phone up to my
>>>>> year,
>>>>>>> the touchscreen stays lit and active. Pressure against my cheek
>>>>>>> can activate various unwanted functions. Does anyone have a clue
>>>>>>> as to
>>>>> whether
>>>>>>> this is a common problem and/or whether there is anything I can
>>>>>>> do
>>>>> about
>>>>>>> it, other than get a different kind of case? TIA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vic

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Giving up on iCloud-any syncing suggestions?

Posted by: "mydogspot2007" mydogspot@ymail.com   mydogspot2007

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:08 am (PST)



I have tried for days on my own and for hours with apple support to make icloud work on any of my computers. It just doesn't function at all and causes my outlook and itunes to be inoperable also. I've been asked by apple to let them know if I find out how to make it work! I'm waiving my white flag and declaring that I truly miss mobile me and the days when I was so pleased that my apple products did what apple said they would do.

Is there still any software (other than icloud and google) that will sync my contacts and calendar as mobileme did? I suppose something that would sync tasks would be a bonus.

My computers are all pc and running windows 7.

Thanks for any help with this.

Stephanie

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3a.

Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:08 am (PST)



I'm surprised there hasn't been an iPhone "Spring" or a consumer class action suit.

On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:36 PM, whiterabbit32 wrote:

> AT&T is a real jerk about data usage. I don't know why. As the article said, the REAL bandwidth hogs are using it during off-peak hours. Even though I haven't gotten a message from AT&T saying I'm going to be throttled, I'm seriously thinking of switching to VZ.
>
> Does anyone have any negatives about VZ?

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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Dave Skolnick" dskolnick@gmail.com   daveskolnick

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:36 am (PST)



I've had an AT&T mobile account since the very early 90s. I lived through the transition to Cingular and back to AT&T. I have an iPhone with a legacy unlimited account. I'm definitely a heavy data user.

Good news for everyone in my region -- I've been getting throttled for the last week or so of most months since October, as long as I'm in the US. Accordingly I'm helping drive the average up and making the top 5% that much higher. *grin*

dave
S/V Auspicious

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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "AnneL" shadow484@comcast.net   alogston

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:11 am (PST)



My understanding is that although most other carriers also throttle heavy
users, they throttle under a whole different system. I.e., they only
throttle when the local tower becomes congested, and they STOP throttling as
soon as the tower is no longer congested, so you might only be throttled for
a few hours. Since most heavy data users generally do their heaviest use
during off-peak hours, a lot of times they're not even affected.

AT&T, however, once they begin throttling you, you're throttled for the rest
of the month, regardless of congestion or your usage. Which is exceedingly
unreasonable.

Anne


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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Bill Sardone" wsardone@att.net   wsardone

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:12 am (PST)



Have you seen a decline in speed?

Sent from my AT&T wireless device!

On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:19 AM, "Dave Skolnick" <dskolnick@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've had an AT&T mobile account since the very early 90s. I lived through the transition to Cingular and back to AT&T. I have an iPhone with a legacy unlimited account. I'm definitely a heavy data user.
>
> Good news for everyone in my region -- I've been getting throttled for the last week or so of most months since October, as long as I'm in the US. Accordingly I'm helping drive the average up and making the top 5% that much higher. *grin*
>
> dave
> S/V Auspicious
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Bill Sardone" wsardone@att.net   wsardone

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:12 am (PST)



I guess what I am trying to figure out is....

If unlimited users are getting this message, are throttled because
of congestion in their region....how does going to a tiered plan relieve the
congestion?

The pressure

Thanks

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Skolnick
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:20 AM
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [apple-iphone] Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

I've had an AT&T mobile account since the very early 90s. I lived through
the transition to Cingular and back to AT&T. I have an iPhone with a legacy
unlimited account. I'm definitely a heavy data user.

Good news for everyone in my region -- I've been getting throttled for the
last week or so of most months since October, as long as I'm in the US.
Accordingly I'm helping drive the average up and making the top 5% that much
higher. *grin*

dave
S/V Auspicious

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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "AnneL" shadow484@comcast.net   alogston

Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:13 am (PST)



> If unlimited users are getting this message, are throttled because
> of congestion in their region....how does going to a tiered plan relieve
> the
> congestion?

My understanding is that AT&T lets tiered plan users get higher up in data
before they start throttling. For example, unlimited users have started
getting throttled as early as 1.5G, but were apparently actually TOLD that
if they switched to the 3G tiered plan instead, they wouldn't start getting
throttled until they actually were approaching 3G. Again, just my
understanding from a local news program.

Anne

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3g.

Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Donald" xlnt74@sbcglobal.net   xlnt74@sbcglobal.net

Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:28 am (PST)





--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, "AnneL" <shadow484@...> wrote:
>
> > If unlimited users are getting this message, are throttled because
> > of congestion in their region....how does going to a tiered plan relieve
> > the
> > congestion?
>
> My understanding is that AT&T lets tiered plan users get higher up in data
> before they start throttling. For example, unlimited users have started
> getting throttled as early as 1.5G, but were apparently actually TOLD that
> if they switched to the 3G tiered plan instead, they wouldn't start getting
> throttled until they actually were approaching 3G. Again, just my
> understanding from a local news program.
>
> Anne
>

All that does is punish those still on the "Unlimided" data plan. It does nothing to reduce congestion!!

Just my $0.02 worth......

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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Jim Inman" jiminmanjr@yahoo.com   jiminmanjr

Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:28 am (PST)



I am overdue for an upgrade on my 3GS.  I am on the unlimited plan.  

If I upgrade to the latest iPhone, will I be able to have the unlimited plan?  

________________________________
From: AnneL <shadow484@comcast.net>
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users


 
> If unlimited users are getting this message, are throttled because
> of congestion in their region....how does going to a tiered plan relieve
> the
> congestion?

My understanding is that AT&T lets tiered plan users get higher up in data
before they start throttling. For example, unlimited users have started
getting throttled as early as 1.5G, but were apparently actually TOLD that
if they switched to the 3G tiered plan instead, they wouldn't start getting
throttled until they actually were approaching 3G. Again, just my
understanding from a local news program.

Anne

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Brian Bozzo" brianbozzo@yahoo.com   roqabilly

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:09 pm (PST)



You will still be unlimited.

The discussion I was having with a coworker the other day is what will AT&T do once the LTE phone does arrive. Is going to be, unlimited was an iPhone 3G thing only and force adapted to go to a tiered plan.

Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Jim Inman <jiminmanjr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am overdue for an upgrade on my 3GS. I am on the unlimited plan.
>
> If I upgrade to the latest iPhone, will I be able to have the unlimited plan?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: AnneL <shadow484@comcast.net>
> To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users
>
>
>
>> If unlimited users are getting this message, are throttled because
>> of congestion in their region....how does going to a tiered plan relieve
>> the
>> congestion?
>
> My understanding is that AT&T lets tiered plan users get higher up in data
> before they start throttling. For example, unlimited users have started
> getting throttled as early as 1.5G, but were apparently actually TOLD that
> if they switched to the 3G tiered plan instead, they wouldn't start getting
> throttled until they actually were approaching 3G. Again, just my
> understanding from a local news program.
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "4 Nikonkelly.com" kelly@nikonkelly.com   revkellytodd

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:13 pm (PST)



Especially since we are paying for unlimited use. I cant
understand how they can do this legally. If I am paying them the
price they require for unlimited service, I should by law recieve
unlimited service, not throttelled in any way.
Kelly Todd

----- Original Message -----
From: AnneL
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited
data users

My understanding is that although most other carriers also
throttle heavy
users, they throttle under a whole different system. I.e., they
only
throttle when the local tower becomes congested, and they STOP
throttling as
soon as the tower is no longer congested, so you might only be
throttled for
a few hours. Since most heavy data users generally do their
heaviest use
during off-peak hours, a lot of times they're not even affected.

AT&T, however, once they begin throttling you, you're throttled
for the rest
of the month, regardless of congestion or your usage. Which is
exceedingly
unreasonable.

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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com   jonkreisler

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:44 pm (PST)



Unfortunately, they are only guaranteeing quantity, not quality (and they
can hire some pretty expensive lawyers to interpret their contract terms
any way they see fit.)
Jon

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM, 4 Nikonkelly.com <kelly@nikonkelly.com>wrote:

> Especially since we are paying for unlimited use. I cant
> understand how they can do this legally. If I am paying them the
> price they require for unlimited service, I should by law recieve
> unlimited service, not throttelled in any way.
> Kelly Todd

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Black Otterbox Defender replacement

Posted by: "doyle.eugene" doyle.eugene@yahoo.com   doyle.eugene

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:09 am (PST)



I purchased this for my phone and it has provided great protection. Recently I discovered a tear in the silicon outer cover near the volume buttons. I was concerned this would tear through completely and the cover would be useless. I contacted Otterbox through the website and told them of the problem. This was about 3 weeks ago. Today I received a complete new Defender in the mail. The outer cover is of a more substantial material, not as pliable. It seems to be more durable and I think it will be more durable. I like it when a company stands behind their products and responds to customers in such a satisfactory manner.

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5a.

Two apple Id one iTunes

Posted by: "Shahana Karim" shahana.karim@yahoo.com   shahana.karim

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:36 am (PST)



Hello everyone! Can you help me on this ? I was wondering if two separate apple id can b used on one iTunes library on the same computer? I sync my iPhone 4 to my MacBook pro and I want to sync iPad 2 with a separate apple ID to the same computer.

Sheulis
Sent from my 32GB  4

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Re: Two apple Id one iTunes

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:14 am (PST)



> Can you help me on this ? I was wondering if two separate apple id can b used on one iTunes library on the same computer?

Yes.

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Re: Two apple Id one iTunes

Posted by: "Clark Martin" cmmac@sonic.net   cmartin1138

Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:41 pm (PST)




On Feb 15, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Shahana Karim wrote:

> Hello everyone! Can you help me on this ? I was wondering if two separate apple id can b used on one iTunes library on the same computer? I sync my iPhone 4 to my MacBook pro and I want to sync iPad 2 with a separate apple ID to the same computer.

If nothing else you can create a separate user account on the computer. With Fast User switching you can flip back and forth between the two accounts pretty quickly.

Maybe you could tell us why you want to do this, there may be a better way...

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Apple's iOS problem: Contacts uploading is just the tip of th

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:41 pm (PST)



http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/9To5Mac-MacAllDay/~3/rsVjEN-RRr0/

Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Apple's iOS problem:
Contacts uploading is just the tip of the iceberg. Apps can upload all
your photos, calendars or record conversations via 9to5Mac by Seth
Weintraub on 2/15/12

Apple today responded to the contacts sharing issue today with a
statement that seemed to indicate that they are going to put some sort
of setting on contact data that would allow users to control who sees
that data, in much the same way that Apple locks down location data.

"Apps that collect or transmit a user's contact data without their
prior permission are in violation of our guidelines. We're working to
make this even better for our customers, and as we have done with
location services, any app wishing to access contact data will require
explicit user approval in a future software release."

Congress getting involved was probably the motivation for such a move.
But Congress isn't going to like what they hear.

The problem is that iOS apps not only have access to a user's contacts
database (including addresses and notes) but apps have full,
unencumbered access to everything in the iOS app sandbox. That includes
all of your pictures, music, movies, calendars and a host of other
data. Literally any of this is freely open for developers to transmit
to their own servers while apps are open.

Additionally, legal, approved apps also have access to your iPhone's
camera and microphone so apps can take pictures and make recordings
without your permission (though these would be a lot easier to detect
by the user). Photos, videos and audio can then be transmitted securely
or insecurely up to servers that you and Apple don't know about.

To developers, this is no big secret. It isn't trivial, but putting
that kind of functionality into an app is pretty straightforward and
uses only Apple's publicly available and blessed developer APIs (which
means this stuff won't likely be detected by Apple's App store approval
process). With private APIs however, developers could possibly rummage
through your email, call history, visual voicemail, SMS or just about
anything else on your phone. Apple is more likely (but not always) able
to catch these types of apps usage.

Obviously shady developers and even government entities are probably
already using apps like this to gather information. Some scenarios:

- A Spam marketing firm creates a free fart/flashlight app that, while
using it, sucks up your whole contact addressbook and shoots it over
the net to their servers securely
- A shady government creates a free photo app that automatically
uploads any pictures geotagged in a particular area to their servers.
Free intelligence gathering. That also means users can be followed by
their picture taking without location services being turned on.
Some important things to note:

- Apps can only spy and slurp down your info when they are open. Just
installing an app doesn't let this happen.
- Obviously, most developers would never consider doing something like
this. Most companies would never try to do this either. Word getting
out would destroy them immediately. But there are a lot of developers
out there and it is trivial to get on Apple's development platform.
- Apps like Path got busted only because they are transmitting data
insecurely so you can actually watch the data being transmitted. That
means that not only was Path able to collect your contacts DB, but
anyone that is sniffing the network you are on could also see this
information. On the other hand, security experts and Apple can't really
see what is being transferred securely so it is harder to ferret out
nasty applications
- This isn't specifically an iOS problem. Any desktop application can
suck up all of your data and send it off to some server somewhere far
away (including email). Android handles this a little differently. If
an app wants access to your contacts, it asks permission when it is
installed. Most people don't look at this but the onus is on the user
to approve access. So that is protection in name only.
What can Apple do about this?

There isn't an easy answer. Obviously Apple plans to implement a
Location type control in Settings for your contacts list. But they
can't do that for /everything/.

If Apple decided it needed to block access to these features, it would
almost instantly break a whole lot of apps that aren't doing anything
illegally. Apple could institute controls for everything meaning that
you'd have to expressly give every app individual permission to access
location, contacts, camera, photos, etc.

Opening Facebook would take 10 minutes.

It will be interesting to see what Apple does.







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