2/15/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8741

Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)

1.
Important last step From: BLAINE F GORDON
2a.
Re: iCloud From: Mark Workman
2b.
Re: iCloud From: BLAINE F GORDON
2c.
Re: iCloud From: Michael P. Stupinski
2d.
Re: iCloud From: BLAINE F GORDON
2e.
Re: iCloud From: Michael P. Stupinski
2f.
Re: iCloud From: Jim Saklad
2g.
Re: iCloud From: BLAINE F GORDON
3a.
Re: External on IMac From: Harry Flaxman
3b.
Re: External on IMac From: Tod Hopkins
3c.
Re: External on IMac From: Harry Flaxman
4a.
Re: Internal Hard Drives From: Harry Flaxman
4b.
Re: Internal Hard Drives From: Denver Dan
4c.
Re: Internal Hard Drives From: D. Brett Woods
4d.
Re: Internal Hard Drives From: Jim Saklad
5a.
Podcasts and iCloud From: BLAINE F GORDON
5b.
Re: Podcasts and iCloud From: Harry Flaxman
5c.
Re: Podcasts and iCloud From: Rob Frankel
6a.
Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower From: Jay Abraham
7a.
My point on iCloud From: BLAINE GORDON
7b.
Re: My point on iCloud From: Rob Frankel
8a.
Shut Down/Boot Up PROBLEM From: texasdeadstick
8b.
Re: Shut Down/Boot Up PROBLEM From: Jim Saklad
8c.
Re: Shut Down/Boot Up PROBLEM From: Barry Austern
9.
MacPro Update Rumors From: Denver Dan

Messages

1.

Important last step

Posted by: "BLAINE F GORDON" pepsi440@me.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:25 am (PST)



Don't forget the last step when you have switched to the cloud. Be sure to backup your new configuration. I found most of the tutorials didn't mention this. Who wants to do their work twice.
Blaine Gordon

Sent from my iPad

2a.

Re: iCloud

Posted by: "Mark Workman" workmam@kramergraphics.com   workmam

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:32 am (PST)



Well I finally joined the cloud. I did some research. You can google
iCloud or iCloud 101 and find all the information you will need so I
won't try to explain it or answer any questions about the cloud itself.
A particularly helpful spot is www.apple.com/icoud. Be sure to watch the
video. A representative told me Apple's goal is to have everyone in the
cloud by June of either this year or the next. I didn't listen close
enough.

As far as I can tell, other than convenience, nothing has changed about
my Mac, iPad or iPhone other than the mobile me apple ID and being in
the cloud. All my data stayed just as I had it. I seem to have no
problems at all. It says I have used 0 GB of my 5 GB allotment. More
than 5 GB you have to pay. There's the rub. A nice feature is iTunes in
the cloud. Anything I have ever downloaded from iTunes is available on
all 3 of my devices.

I am happy with the cloud and don't foresee any problems.
Blaine Gordon
Did you see anything about podcasts? I use my phone primarily as an
ipod. My podcasts did not sync to the iCloud forcing me to give up on
the cloud and sync directly.
mw

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2b.

Re: iCloud

Posted by: "BLAINE F GORDON" pepsi440@me.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:38 am (PST)



No, I didn't see anything specifically about podcasts but my bet is that nothing will change for you.
Blaine

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Mark Workman <workmam@kramergraphics.com> wrote:

> Well I finally joined the cloud. I did some research. You can google
> iCloud or iCloud 101 and find all the information you will need so I
> won't try to explain it or answer any questions about the cloud itself.
> A particularly helpful spot is www.apple.com/icoud. Be sure to watch the
> video. A representative told me Apple's goal is to have everyone in the
> cloud by June of either this year or the next. I didn't listen close
> enough.
>
> As far as I can tell, other than convenience, nothing has changed about
> my Mac, iPad or iPhone other than the mobile me apple ID and being in
> the cloud. All my data stayed just as I had it. I seem to have no
> problems at all. It says I have used 0 GB of my 5 GB allotment. More
> than 5 GB you have to pay. There's the rub. A nice feature is iTunes in
> the cloud. Anything I have ever downloaded from iTunes is available on
> all 3 of my devices.
>
> I am happy with the cloud and don't foresee any problems.
> Blaine Gordon
> Did you see anything about podcasts? I use my phone primarily as an
> ipod. My podcasts did not sync to the iCloud forcing me to give up on
> the cloud and sync directly.
> mw
>
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>
>

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2c.

Re: iCloud

Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net   mstupinski

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:58 am (PST)



On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Mark Workman wrote:

> ... A representative told me Apple's goal is to have everyone in the
> cloud by June of either this year or the next. ...

I wish that meant that to meet that goal they were going to give me a
new computer capable of running Lion. ......sighhh

.............Mike

2d.

Re: iCloud

Posted by: "BLAINE F GORDON" pepsi440@me.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:06 am (PST)



Lol. My AppleCare is going to run out soon. Time to save for a new Mac mini. I wish they were giving out iMacs. I can't afford those on a pension.
Blaine

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:58 AM, "Michael P. Stupinski" <mpstupinski@snet.net> wrote:

> On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Mark Workman wrote:
>
> > ... A representative told me Apple's goal is to have everyone in the
> > cloud by June of either this year or the next. ...
>
> I wish that meant that to meet that goal they were going to give me a
> new computer capable of running Lion. ......sighhh
>
> .............Mike
>
>

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2e.

Re: iCloud

Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net   mstupinski

Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:25 am (PST)



I'm in the same situation. :-(

On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:05 AM, BLAINE F GORDON wrote:

> Lol. My AppleCare is going to run out soon. Time to save for a new
> Mac mini. I wish they were giving out iMacs. I can't afford those on
> a pension.
> Blaine
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:58 AM, "Michael P. Stupinski" <mpstupinski@snet.net
> > wrote:
>
>> On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Mark Workman wrote:
>>
>>> ... A representative told me Apple's goal is to have everyone in the
>>> cloud by June of either this year or the next. ...
>>
>> I wish that meant that to meet that goal they were going to give me a
>> new computer capable of running Lion. ......sighhh
>>
>> .............Mike
>>
>>
>
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2f.

Re: iCloud

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:53 am (PST)



> Lol. My AppleCare is going to run out soon. Time to save for a new Mac mini. I wish they were giving out iMacs. I can't afford those on a pension.
> Blaine

Gotta set your priorities....
What, you want to eat EVERY day? <grin>

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2g.

Re: iCloud

Posted by: "BLAINE F GORDON" pepsi440@me.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:05 am (PST)



Kraft Mac and cheese might do it. Of course I can only eat once a day. Hey that iMac is looking doable. I can cut back on a few necessities too, like say toothpaste and toilet paper. I can almost see that iMac sitting on my desk. Lol.
Blaine

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:

> > Lol. My AppleCare is going to run out soon. Time to save for a new Mac mini. I wish they were giving out iMacs. I can't afford those on a pension.
> > Blaine
>
> Gotta set your priorities....
> What, you want to eat EVERY day? <grin>
>
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3a.

Re: External on IMac

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:33 am (PST)



On 2/15/2012 8:32 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> In a simple chain, 4 FW devices will work fine, though you will see performance decrease for each drive in chain. You can, in theory, chain many more, but there are a variety of issues that start at around 4 drives. You can't do this with "bus powered" drives. All drives need their own power.

Earlier in the thread, I quoted Wikipedia on the max number of FW drives
that can be in a chain. This was what the OP asked for.

This figure is applicable to the Mac as well as other FW equipped machines.

Harry

3b.

Re: External on IMac

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:19 am (PST)



Understood, but there is a vast gulf between theory and practice in everything computing. My advice is based on a decade of practice editing with large FW drives. I would not advise chains longer than four drives for regular use. Yes, you can connect more than that but your risk to both data (corruption) and hardware (heat) increase to levels that are commonly deemed unacceptable in casual setups.

The performance statements are based on my personal testing with Mac Pros. Two drives together experience roughly 10% decrease in sustained throughput. Three drives or more experience 30-40% decrease.

All this is based on heavy use scenarios and Apple hardware implementation definitely changes over time. Your mileage my vary.

BTW, Macs have only one bus even if they have multiple ports. Every connected drive is in the same "chain." Video professionals commonly add a PCI FW card for this reason. Well, not any more as we prefer eSata now. But we used to.

Cheers,
tod

On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Harry Flaxman wrote:

> On 2/15/2012 8:32 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> > In a simple chain, 4 FW devices will work fine, though you will see performance decrease for each drive in chain. You can, in theory, chain many more, but there are a variety of issues that start at around 4 drives. You can't do this with "bus powered" drives. All drives need their own power.
>
> Earlier in the thread, I quoted Wikipedia on the max number of FW drives
> that can be in a chain. This was what the OP asked for.
>
> This figure is applicable to the Mac as well as other FW equipped machines.
>
> Harry
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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3c.

Re: External on IMac

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:21 am (PST)



On 2/15/2012 10:19 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> Understood, but there is a vast gulf between theory and practice in everything computing. My advice is based on a decade of practice editing with large FW drives. I would not advise chains longer than four drives for regular use. Yes, you can connect more than that but your risk to both data (corruption) and hardware (heat) increase to levels that are commonly deemed unacceptable in casual setups.

Understand where you're coming from as well. I"ve been using the
interface successfully for as long as it's been available, with more
than 4 drives. I have had up to 8 at one time, without the symptoms you
mention.

As far as decrease in throughput, in my experience, it's totally
dependent upon who the controllers are manufactured by, as well as the
drive mechanism's performance. I have a 10 year old LaCie, 250gb WD
mechanism, that remains the fastest drive on my chain, whereas, a brand
new WD case/controller with a WD 2TB mechanism, which remains my
slowest as far as throughput goes. Naturally, I keep that on the end of
my current chain.

I have also had to chain using 800 at the beginning, with 400 at the
end, of a 5 drive chain. No corruption or other problems with that
chain as well.

I do not hot-swap my drives at all right now, but have done so with
chains in excess of 4 devices, without incident.

Lucky? I don't know, but most of these configurations were not short
term, so I suspect not.

I'm very careful as to whose controller/case I use. I just happen to
come across a good deal on the 2TB WD combo at the time, so I grabbed it.

I don't know how much longer than than 8 devices I'd use right now. I'd
stick with the longest I've had luck with.

So far, so good.

My new iMac, when I decide to get it, will naturally have a Thunderbolt
bus. Hopefully by that time, the Thunderbolt devices will be more
plentiful and lower in price.

Cheers!

Harry

4a.

Re: Internal Hard Drives

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:35 am (PST)



On 2/15/2012 8:27 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> No, you don't have to leave them connected. Remember to "eject"! However, be warned. iPhoto is very, very bad with "off-line" media. Try to access "off-line" files with iPhoto and you will practically lockup. iMovie WILL completely lock (at least version 8 does). iTunes is better, but still handles it poorly from a usability point of view.

Right, iTunes under 10.7 is bad with detached or powered-down drives in
a chain. The default library path is reset if iTunes can't detect the
drive upon launch.

One popular application of detached drives is backup routines.
SuperDuper has an option to back up when the drive is attached if unable
to do so on a schedule.

Earlier in the thread, several of us recommended exactly what you
mention as far as internal and external configurations.

Harry

4b.

Re: Internal Hard Drives

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:52 am (PST)



Howdy.

Brett, I think for an iMac that external storage is probably a better
option.

Take a look at this external drive case for 4 drives offered by OWC.

OWC Mercury Elite Pro Qx2.
$259.99 USD, without hard drives (supply your own).

Has USB, FireWire, and eSATA ports.

Can be configured as RAID or JBOD.

You can start with one HD in it and add a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th as needed.

Denver Dan

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:13:39 -0700, D. Brett Woods wrote:
> I have a desktop iMac. Late 2009 model. 2 TB hard drive.
>
> It is getting full.
>
> Is there a larger hard drive that I can put in that any of you
> experts would say is okay and recommend?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brett

4c.

Re: Internal Hard Drives

Posted by: "D. Brett Woods" brettlyw@mac.com   brettlyw

Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:20 am (PST)



Thank you for your help.

Brett

On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

> To answer your question directly, no, there is no larger drive anyone would recommend. You need to go to external where you can build collections or arrays.
>
> First, use one cheap, 2TB USB for Time Machine (assuming you are not already). With a full 2TB drive you are at much higher risk of severe data loss. Do not go below 100GB freespace.
>
> In your case, I'd clone all archived media and exclude this from TM. No point in "wasting" TM on archival materials. Let TM do what it does and provide you a "history" of meaningful data. Your archival stuff should be cloned once, or burned to disc.
>
> The media clone might also be USB if you don't need fast access for editing or processing. Alternately get a Blu-ray burner and start cranking out BD-r for long term archival. That's 40 discs per TB, about $100 of media and 40 hours of burning, but if the media is valuable, it should be archived to optical at some point and DVD is entirely impractical. Allow the discs to verify. Yes, it's a huge time sink, but these are archive discs.
>
> You can use HD for backups (I do) but these must be managed. Can't just put them on the shelf for a decade like you can optical. Hard drives need to be "checked" periodically.
>
> For real-time access on external drives, you want FW800 (twice as fast as USB in real world). For externals, you can get larger than 2TB but these are actually arrays (multiple discs inside). This increases risk of failure.
>
> Chaining FW800 is great but slows performance. Four is the commonly accepted "safe" limit in my biz, but you can theoretically chain... 16?. Three or more will cause ~40% performance decrease. Tolerable in most cases.
>
> No, you don't have to leave them connected. Remember to "eject"! However, be warned. iPhoto is very, very bad with "off-line" media. Try to access "off-line" files with iPhoto and you will practically lockup. iMovie WILL completely lock (at least version 8 does). iTunes is better, but still handles it poorly from a usability point of view.
>
> Arrays are great, but more expensive. If you want to go there, that's a whole 'nuther discussion thread.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:13 PM, D. Brett Woods wrote:
>
>> I have a desktop iMac. Late 2009 model. 2 TB hard drive.
>>
>> It is getting full.
>>
>> Is there a larger hard drive that I can put in that any of you experts would say is okay and recommend?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Brett
>>
>>
>
> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
>
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4d.

Re: Internal Hard Drives

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:59 am (PST)



> This may be a stupid question but, do all the externals have to be connected at all times or can they be stored and used when needed just like floppy diskettes back in the day?
> Bob

'Taint any stupid questions.

Use 'em when you need 'em. Like floppies.

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5a.

Podcasts and iCloud

Posted by: "BLAINE F GORDON" pepsi440@me.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:50 am (PST)



I am not interested in podcasts. I found their was a wealth of information about syncing podcasts to the cloud by googling Podcasts and the iCloud. I guess you read what pertains to your type of podcast. There is even a podcast from Apple. Hope this helps.
Blaine

Sent from my iPad

5b.

Re: Podcasts and iCloud

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:24 am (PST)



On 2/15/2012 10:50 AM, BLAINE F GORDON wrote:
> I am not interested in podcasts. I found their was a wealth of information about syncing podcasts to the cloud by googling Podcasts and the iCloud. I guess you read what pertains to your type of podcast. There is even a podcast from Apple. Hope this helps.

I've had really good luck with my iPod Touches and wireless syncing, NOT
using iCloud. It's been a smooth operation so far.

I DO sync podcasts, and so far, leaving iTunes up, when there is a new
podcast, the device syncs wirelessly with the computer's iTunes app
flawlessly.

I'd have to say that Apple has a really nice implementation in this area.

This goes for my Win PC as well as my iMacs. Both work equally well.

As far as contacts, photostream and iCal, the operation there is
flawless as well.

Harry

5c.

Re: Podcasts and iCloud

Posted by: "Rob Frankel" rob@robfrankel.com   robfrankeldotcom

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:36 am (PST)



Me too. HOWEVER, you may not know that if you haven't listened to
some subscribed podcasts in a while, iTunes tracks this and will stop
downloading more to your device until you either tell it to resume or
you actually resume playing the podcasts.

I found that out this month....

At 11:22 AM -0500 2/15/12, Harry Flaxman wrote thusly:
>On 2/15/2012 10:50 AM, BLAINE F GORDON wrote:
>> I am not interested in podcasts. I found their was a wealth of
>>information about syncing podcasts to the cloud by googling
>>Podcasts and the iCloud. I guess you read what pertains to your
>>type of podcast. There is even a podcast from Apple. Hope this
>>helps.
>
>I've had really good luck with my iPod Touches and wireless syncing, NOT
>using iCloud. It's been a smooth operation so far.
>
>I DO sync podcasts, and so far, leaving iTunes up, when there is a new
>podcast, the device syncs wirelessly with the computer's iTunes app
>flawlessly.
>

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6a.

Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower

Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net   kerala01212001

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:45 am (PST)



An update on my problems. I haven't yet gone through all the troubleshooting steps people have suggested. Will get to it when I have more time.

However, I had gone almost a week without a kernel panic and I noticed that I didn't have Safari on my normal home page - online.wsj.com. I have been using it for Quicken mainly as I have migrated most everything else to a new MacMini. I went to the Wall Street Journal home page and meanwhile used Quicken - several hours later the computer had its first kernel panic. I restarted the computer and started Safari again but went to another web-site and am going to leave it there to see if/when I will have another kernel panic.

Don't know if there is an issue with Safari and the Wall Street Journal site - it does have a lot of commercials and video but this time I have a different browser pointed to the site (Camino) to see if it is purely a Safari and Wall Street Journal interaction.

Jay

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Jay Abraham wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this. I started getting the panics after I upgraded the Tower to Leopard about a year ago. They would come every couple of days. Would notice that the system fan would spin up to high and the screen would be dark and I couldn't get system to turn on. In most cases, I noticed it after leaving the room for a couple of hours. In some case, the Mac screen would say that the OS quit and I needed to restart.
>
> Not sure of the exact timeline in that this happened after I updated to Leopard. At the same time I did that I added an additional internal drive. Haven't done anything else.
>
> It is getting more frequent now - usually a couple of times a day so I'm forced to troubleshoot it. The system fan also seems to spin up to high a lot even when it doesn't appear anything is using resources. Not using as my primary computer anymore but rather as a media server, backup, etc. I haven't kept past copies of the system report but the usually said unresolved kernel trap and didn't point to one thing consistently. I have tried starting up in Safe mode to see if I still have kernel panics and I still do.

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7a.

My point on iCloud

Posted by: "BLAINE GORDON" pepsi440@me.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:50 am (PST)



I went to the cloud and am happy with it. I would never tell anybody to change what works for them. I will point in the right direction for change if I think there is one. The man at applecare said eventually things will only work in the cloud. Old things that work will no longer work.

I guess that this is Apple's way of forcing you to the cloud. However, if I had something else that worked for me, I would use it until it is no longer viable, if ever.

I went to the cloud. I am not telling others that they should. I do like it though.
Blaine

7b.

Re: My point on iCloud

Posted by: "Rob Frankel" rob@robfrankel.com   robfrankeldotcom

Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:14 am (PST)



At 9:50 AM -0700 2/15/12, BLAINE GORDON wrote thusly:
>I went to the cloud and am happy with it. I would never tell anybody
>to change what works for them. I will point in the right direction
>for change if I think there is one. The man at applecare said
>eventually things will only work in the cloud. Old things that work
>will no longer work.
>
>I guess that this is Apple's way of forcing you to the cloud.
>However, if I had something else that worked for me, I would use it
>until it is no longer viable, if ever.
>

Eventually? I can't imagine a time when Cloud participation will be
mandatory or inescapable. It's just too limiting for those without
convenient online access.

Personally, this is the first time ever in my long-lived Mac history
that I haven't upgraded. I doubt that I'll move any time soon,
because everything works so nicely and privately on 10.6.8, with no
need to upgrade any software.

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8a.

Shut Down/Boot Up PROBLEM

Posted by: "texasdeadstick" texasdeadstick@yahoo.com   texasdeadstick

Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:39 am (PST)



I have an iMac 2.8 GHz Intell Core 2 Duo, with 2 GB 800 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM, and 4 external HDs - 2 are firewire 400 and two are USB.

I can start shut down at 5 pm one day and return a 9 am the next and it has not completed shut down.

If I unplug power on the 3T Seagate USB HD everything worked normal on shut down and boot up.

Any ideas? ? ?

Johnny Robertson
Canadian River
Borger, TX

8b.

Re: Shut Down/Boot Up PROBLEM

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:58 am (PST)



> I have an iMac 2.8 GHz Intell Core 2 Duo, with 2 GB 800 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM, and 4 external HDs - 2 are firewire 400 and two are USB.
>
> I can start shut down at 5 pm one day and return a 9 am the next and it has not completed shut down.
>
> If I unplug power on the 3T Seagate USB HD everything worked normal on shut down and boot up.
>
> Any ideas?

Well, my suggestion would be to unplug power on the 3T Seagate USB HD when you want to shut down.

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8c.

Re: Shut Down/Boot Up PROBLEM

Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net   barryaus

Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:36 am (PST)



At 1:58 PM -0500 2/15/12, Jim Saklad wrote:

>
>
> > I have an iMac 2.8 GHz Intell Core 2 Duo, with 2 GB 800 Mhz DDR2
>SDRAM, and 4 external HDs - 2 are firewire 400 and two are USB.
>>
>> I can start shut down at 5 pm one day and return a 9 am the next
>>and it has not completed shut down.
>>
>> If I unplug power on the 3T Seagate USB HD everything worked
>>normal on shut down and boot up.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
>Well, my suggestion would be to unplug power on the 3T Seagate USB
>HD when you want to shut down.

Before doing that I think I would dismount it and see if that is all
that is necessary.

--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

9.

MacPro Update Rumors

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:35 am (PST)



Howdy

Here's a link to a short article on a new MacPro model.

<http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/14/apple-switching-back-to-nvidia-graphics-for-upcoming-mac-pro-update/>

Lots of speculation on quarter for release, on the processor chip, and
on the graphics card to be included.

Will Apple switch back to an NVIDIA for the graphic card?

Will the update come in quarter 3 and is that quarter by year or by
fiscal year?

Will the MacPro have a Sandy Bridge Xeon processor (due to be released
soon by Intel after delays.)?

Will the MacPro move directly to the Ivy Bridge processor said to be
the successor to the Sandy Bridge line?

Stay tuned for, "As The Apple Turns."

Denver Dan

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