2/18/2012

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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Dave Skolnick" dskolnick@gmail.com   daveskolnick

Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:05 am (PST)



--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Alice Saunders <whiterabbit32@...> wrote:
> I don't like that AT&T won't say what the top 5% is. When you call
> and complain about being throttled, they say I've reached the top
> 5%. What's that? 5% of what?

If you rank the data usage of everyone in the region you are in for the current billing cycle you are in the highest usage 5%. The data volume for the top 5% threshold goes up and down as data usage of the statistical population goes up and down month to month.

I do think Verizon's approach has less impact on the consumer since the high usage users are only throttled when they are on a particular tower (and presumably backhaul) that is overloaded.

dave

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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com   jonkreisler

Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:20 am (PST)



That sounds like, if you are in a densely populated region, you are likely
to have a higher threshold than a more sparsely populated region with fewer
subscribers. I guess I won't be moving to Nome anytime soon.
Jon

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Dave Skolnick <dskolnick@gmail.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Alice Saunders <whiterabbit32@...>
> wrote:
> > I don't like that AT&T won't say what the top 5% is. When you call
> > and complain about being throttled, they say I've reached the top
> > 5%. What's that? 5% of what?
>
> If you rank the data usage of everyone in the region you are in for the
> current billing cycle you are in the highest usage 5%. The data volume for
> the top 5% threshold goes up and down as data usage of the statistical
> population goes up and down month to month.
>
> I do think Verizon's approach has less impact on the consumer since the
> high usage users are only throttled when they are on a particular tower
> (and presumably backhaul) that is overloaded.
>
> dave
>
>
>

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Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "Mike Rodgers" mikerodgerske5gbc@yahoo.com   mikerodgerske5gbc

Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:32 am (PST)



The speed I'm seeing 0.14 mbs about like 2g edge. I'm not sure it was any faster at the renew of bill cycle.

Alice, would it make any difference that I use most of my data at night, 11pm-5am?
It is a little frustrating to pay $400 month for 5 phones and only mine is a hog. Only one of the others is on unlimited. I'd actually pay a little more but that's not what we agreed to.
I can't even use utube now, it's so slow.

My main use is podcasts on stitcher as drive from Dallas,TX to ElPaso,Tx and back every couple days. At least that's where the most data is used.

Im just dealing with it.

Be nice if that woman in California that managed the two assaults one of which was on bank of America would
Take interest.

Bad press works wonders.
Maybe Fox news Shepherd Smith will make a fuss.

Off Soapbox Now

Mike R

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1d.

Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "BC" iphone@bill-crawford.com   whcraw5

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:25 pm (PST)



What's odd, is that I'm being 'throttled' for the second month and I'm only used 376mb of 3g service! I stay on my wifi 99% of the time using Comcast but because I'm one of the 'Loyal Unlimited Customers' AT&T has now seen fit to harass me by throttling my connectivity even when not using THIER service!

I've been checking www.speedtest.net and everything looks fine at the first of the month but toward the end of the month my connect speeds drop to less than that of a 56k modem... then the first it comes back up. I'm not even using the 3g??

Can they control the speed of the iPhone 4S and iPad on ANY connections? Surely this is not true is it? If not, why is it choking down to nothing toward the end of the month?

Sent from my iPad 🇺🇸

On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~3/tyR_KsFxgKc/
>
> Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: AT&T declares war on
> unlimited data users via BGR: The Three Biggest Letters In Tech by Zach
> Epstein on 2/14/12
>
> AT&T's stance on unlimited data is once again in the spotlight as a new
> wave of smartphone users cry foul over the carrier's questionable
> policies. The nation's No.2 carrier does not currently offer an
> unlimited data plan to its smartphone subscribers. Instead, there are
> three available data plans that include "soft" caps, allowing
> subscribers to continue using data services for additional fees after
> the soft cap is reached in a billing period. Users who have been with
> AT&T since before the carrier switched to tiered data plans — loyal
> customers who have in some cases maintained the same account in good
> standing for more than a decade — had the option to retain their
> unlimited data plans when AT&T first made the move to tiered plans.
> While heavy users were initially relieved when the opportunity to
> retain their old unlimited plans presented itself, that relief has
> quickly turned to disdain. Read on for more.
>
> AT&T announced last summer that it planned to throttle unlimited
> smartphone data users beginning in October. The carrier said that the
> move would only affect the top 5% of heavy users, and it was a
> necessary measure in order to "manage exploding demand for mobile
> data." The new policy meant that unlimited data users could continue
> using their handsets without data limits, but heavy users would see
> their data speeds reduced at a certain point each month if they used
> too much data. AT&T took particular care in not setting a specific
> limit that would have to be reached before throttling kicked in, but
> most typical users presumed it would be a number they would never hit.
>
> When October came around, AT&T's new policy took effect. That very same
> month, BGR began receiving tips from AT&T subscribers who received
> notices by SMS that they were nearing their monthly limits and that
> data speeds would soon be reduced. The peculiar thing, however, was
> that these subscribers hadn't even used 2GB before receiving the
> notices; 2GB was the same amount of data afforded by AT&T's top tiered
> data plan at the time.
>
> Since October, there have been countless accounts of similar
> happenings. AT&T users in regions across the country are notified with
> the following SMS message that they are about to be throttled: "Your
> data usage this month places you in the top 5% of users. Use Wi-Fi to
> help avoid reduced speeds."
>
> What is most interesting about this new wave of complaints, however, is
> that subscribers are still getting notices that they are in danger of
> experiencing reduced data speeds as they approach just 2GB of usage in
> a single billing period. As of January 22nd, however, AT&T's main
> smartphone data plan offers 3GB of data for $30 per month — the same
> fee unlimited data users are paying for their plans. BGR has even
> received an email from an angry unlimited data subscriber who received
> a notice after using just 1.6GB of data during his billing period.
>
> As it stands today, a user with AT&T's $30 tiered plan can enjoy about
> 50% more data than an unlimited data user. Enjoy is the key word,
> because throttling brings AT&T's typically speedy 3G and 4G data speeds
> down to 2G territory. The worst part about the situation is that
> according to several recent studies including one we covered here on
> BGR in December, throttling heavy data users does absolutely nothing to
> help improve the quality of a carrier's data network because data hogs
> consume the majority of their data during off-peak hours when networks
> are under less strain.
>
> Things you can do from here:
> - Subscribe to BGR: The Three Biggest Letters In Tech using Google
> Reader
> - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
> favorite sites
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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1e.

Re: AT&T declares war on unlimited data users

Posted by: "ROGER PROKIC" rprokic@me.com   rprokic

Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:52 pm (PST)



When you test with speedtest are you sure you turned off your wifi setting? I found that Comcast has been throttling my speed down when at home on wifi and I have complained a few times. They will fix it while you are on the phone with them.

Roger

---
Roger Prokic

-=[ this message was sent from my Apple iPhone 4S with iOS 5.1beta3]=-

On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:43 PM, BC <iphone@bill-crawford.com> wrote:

> What's odd, is that I'm being 'throttled' for the second month and I'm only used 376mb of 3g service! I stay on my wifi 99% of the time using Comcast but because I'm one of the 'Loyal Unlimited Customers' AT&T has now seen fit to harass me by throttling my connectivity even when not using THIER service!
>
> I've been checking www.speedtest.net and everything looks fine at the first of the month but toward the end of the month my connect speeds drop to less than that of a 56k modem... then the first it comes back up. I'm not even using the 3g??
>
> Can they control the speed of the iPhone 4S and iPad on ANY connections? Surely this is not true is it? If not, why is it choking down to nothing toward the end of the month?
>
> Sent from my iPad 🇺🇸
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~3/tyR_KsFxgKc/
>>
>> Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: AT&T declares war on
>> unlimited data users via BGR: The Three Biggest Letters In Tech by Zach
>> Epstein on 2/14/12
>>
>> AT&T's stance on unlimited data is once again in the spotlight as a new
>> wave of smartphone users cry foul over the carrier's questionable
>> policies. The nation's No.2 carrier does not currently offer an
>> unlimited data plan to its smartphone subscribers. Instead, there are
>> three available data plans that include "soft" caps, allowing
>> subscribers to continue using data services for additional fees after
>> the soft cap is reached in a billing period. Users who have been with
>> AT&T since before the carrier switched to tiered data plans — loyal
>> customers who have in some cases maintained the same account in good
>> standing for more than a decade — had the option to retain their
>> unlimited data plans when AT&T first made the move to tiered plans.
>> While heavy users were initially relieved when the opportunity to
>> retain their old unlimited plans presented itself, that relief has
>> quickly turned to disdain. Read on for more.
>>
>> AT&T announced last summer that it planned to throttle unlimited
>> smartphone data users beginning in October. The carrier said that the
>> move would only affect the top 5% of heavy users, and it was a
>> necessary measure in order to "manage exploding demand for mobile
>> data." The new policy meant that unlimited data users could continue
>> using their handsets without data limits, but heavy users would see
>> their data speeds reduced at a certain point each month if they used
>> too much data. AT&T took particular care in not setting a specific
>> limit that would have to be reached before throttling kicked in, but
>> most typical users presumed it would be a number they would never hit.
>>
>> When October came around, AT&T's new policy took effect. That very same
>> month, BGR began receiving tips from AT&T subscribers who received
>> notices by SMS that they were nearing their monthly limits and that
>> data speeds would soon be reduced. The peculiar thing, however, was
>> that these subscribers hadn't even used 2GB before receiving the
>> notices; 2GB was the same amount of data afforded by AT&T's top tiered
>> data plan at the time.
>>
>> Since October, there have been countless accounts of similar
>> happenings. AT&T users in regions across the country are notified with
>> the following SMS message that they are about to be throttled: "Your
>> data usage this month places you in the top 5% of users. Use Wi-Fi to
>> help avoid reduced speeds."
>>
>> What is most interesting about this new wave of complaints, however, is
>> that subscribers are still getting notices that they are in danger of
>> experiencing reduced data speeds as they approach just 2GB of usage in
>> a single billing period. As of January 22nd, however, AT&T's main
>> smartphone data plan offers 3GB of data for $30 per month — the same
>> fee unlimited data users are paying for their plans. BGR has even
>> received an email from an angry unlimited data subscriber who received
>> a notice after using just 1.6GB of data during his billing period.
>>
>> As it stands today, a user with AT&T's $30 tiered plan can enjoy about
>> 50% more data than an unlimited data user. Enjoy is the key word,
>> because throttling brings AT&T's typically speedy 3G and 4G data speeds
>> down to 2G territory. The worst part about the situation is that
>> according to several recent studies including one we covered here on
>> BGR in December, throttling heavy data users does absolutely nothing to
>> help improve the quality of a carrier's data network because data hogs
>> consume the majority of their data during off-peak hours when networks
>> are under less strain.
>>
>> Things you can do from here:
>> - Subscribe to BGR: The Three Biggest Letters In Tech using Google
>> Reader
>> - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
>> favorite sites

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2a.

Re: OtterBox Defender Problem

Posted by: "vsperlman" vsperlman@yahoo.com   vsperlman

Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:05 am (PST)



Not a clue, I am afraid. When I called OtterBox, the person that I talked to said that I should get the case for the 4S, and that would solve the problem. You might try calling OtterBox and see what they say.

FWIW, some of the information that I read said that taking a black sharpie and coloring in the inside of the opening in the OtterBox case around the sensor would fix it. If you can't return the case, you might give that a shot. Sorry I can't be of more help on this one.

Vic

--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, "Tara Payne" <hijump1@...> wrote:
>
> Any ideas why my proximity sensor isn't working?

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Re: OtterBox Defender Problem

Posted by: "Tara Payne" hijump1@yahoo.com   tmayner

Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 am (PST)



I figured it out. I thought it would dim in any app but it only does when actually on a call. Otherwise Siri asks to help you.

Thanks!

Tara

On Feb 17, 2012, at 10:03 AM, "vsperlman" <vsperlman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Not a clue, I am afraid. When I called OtterBox, the person that I talked to said that I should get the case for the 4S, and that would solve the problem. You might try calling OtterBox and see what they say.
>
> FWIW, some of the information that I read said that taking a black sharpie and coloring in the inside of the opening in the OtterBox case around the sensor would fix it. If you can't return the case, you might give that a shot. Sorry I can't be of more help on this one.
>
> Vic
>
> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, "Tara Payne" <hijump1@...> wrote:
>>
>> Any ideas why my proximity sensor isn't working?
>
>
>
>
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