2/15/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8740

Messages In This Digest (10 Messages)

1a.
Re: Internal Hard Drives From: Randy B. Singer
1b.
Re: Internal Hard Drives From: Harry Flaxman
1c.
Re: Internal Hard Drives From: Tod Hopkins
2a.
External on IMac From: Tauqir R
2b.
Re: External on IMac From: Harry Flaxman
2c.
Re: External on IMac From: Tod Hopkins
3a.
iCloud From: BLAINE GORDON
4a.
Typo From: BLAINE F GORDON
4b.
Re: Typo From: Randy B. Singer
4c.
Re: Typo From: BLAINE F GORDON

Messages

1a.

Re: Internal Hard Drives

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:15 pm (PST)




On Feb 14, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Robert Buscaglia wrote:

> This may be a stupid question but, do all the externals have to be
> connected at all times or can they be stored and used when needed
> just like floppy diskettes back in the day?

There are no stupid questions.

And, yes, you can unplug your hard drive from your Mac (or just leave
it turned off and connected) and only use it when you want to.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

1b.

Re: Internal Hard Drives

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:55 am (PST)



On 2/14/2012 11:08 PM, Robert Buscaglia wrote:
> This may be a stupid question but, do all the externals have to be connected at all times or can they be stored and used when needed just like floppy diskettes back in the day?
>
> Bob

Not necessary to leave them connected, or powered up. Firewire as well
as USB are hot-swappable. I would never use anything but FW 800. Most
desktops now come only with the FW 800 permutation rather than 400.

Harry

1c.

Re: Internal Hard Drives

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:27 am (PST)



To answer your question directly, no, there is no larger drive anyone would recommend. You need to go to external where you can build collections or arrays.

First, use one cheap, 2TB USB for Time Machine (assuming you are not already). With a full 2TB drive you are at much higher risk of severe data loss. Do not go below 100GB freespace.

In your case, I'd clone all archived media and exclude this from TM. No point in "wasting" TM on archival materials. Let TM do what it does and provide you a "history" of meaningful data. Your archival stuff should be cloned once, or burned to disc.

The media clone might also be USB if you don't need fast access for editing or processing. Alternately get a Blu-ray burner and start cranking out BD-r for long term archival. That's 40 discs per TB, about $100 of media and 40 hours of burning, but if the media is valuable, it should be archived to optical at some point and DVD is entirely impractical. Allow the discs to verify. Yes, it's a huge time sink, but these are archive discs.

You can use HD for backups (I do) but these must be managed. Can't just put them on the shelf for a decade like you can optical. Hard drives need to be "checked" periodically.

For real-time access on external drives, you want FW800 (twice as fast as USB in real world). For externals, you can get larger than 2TB but these are actually arrays (multiple discs inside). This increases risk of failure.

Chaining FW800 is great but slows performance. Four is the commonly accepted "safe" limit in my biz, but you can theoretically chain... 16?. Three or more will cause ~40% performance decrease. Tolerable in most cases.

No, you don't have to leave them connected. Remember to "eject"! However, be warned. iPhoto is very, very bad with "off-line" media. Try to access "off-line" files with iPhoto and you will practically lockup. iMovie WILL completely lock (at least version 8 does). iTunes is better, but still handles it poorly from a usability point of view.

Arrays are great, but more expensive. If you want to go there, that's a whole 'nuther discussion thread.

Cheers,
tod

On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:13 PM, D. Brett Woods wrote:

> I have a desktop iMac. Late 2009 model. 2 TB hard drive.
>
> It is getting full.
>
> Is there a larger hard drive that I can put in that any of you experts would say is okay and recommend?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brett
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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2a.

External on IMac

Posted by: "Tauqir R" ranatqr@yahoo.com   ranatqr

Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:28 am (PST)



How many externals drives or otherwise one can connect to iMac. My one USB is for I devices and one FW 800 to my external iTunes data. How can I add more.

T Rana MD

2b.

Re: External on IMac

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:45 am (PST)



On 2/15/2012 4:28 AM, Tauqir R wrote:
> How many externals drives or otherwise one can connect to iMac. My one USB is for I devices and one FW 800 to my external iTunes data. How can I add more.

From Wikipedia:

FireWire can connect up to 63 peripherals in a tree or daisy-chain
topology[21] (as opposed to Parallel SCSI's electrical bus topology). It
allows peer-to-peer device communication — such as communication between
a scanner and a printer — to take place without using system memory or
the CPU. FireWire also supports multiple hosts per bus. It is designed
to support plug and play but not hot swapping. The copper cable it uses
in its most common implementation can be up to 4.5 metres (15 ft) long
and is more flexible than most parallel SCSI cables. In its
six-conductor or nine-conductor variations, it can supply up to 45 watts
of power per port at up to 30 volts, allowing moderate-consumption
devices to operate without a separate power supply.

Harry

2c.

Re: External on IMac

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:32 am (PST)



In a simple chain, 4 FW devices will work fine, though you will see performance decrease for each drive in chain. You can, in theory, chain many more, but there are a variety of issues that start at around 4 drives. You can't do this with "bus powered" drives. All drives need their own power.

USB drives generally can't be chained, but you can use a USB hub to increase drive connections. You should use one that is designed to support drives. These cost more ($50+) and require external power.

Cheers,
tod

On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:28 AM, Tauqir R wrote:

> How many externals drives or otherwise one can connect to iMac. My one USB is for I devices and one FW 800 to my external iTunes data. How can I add more.
>
> T Rana MD
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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3a.

iCloud

Posted by: "BLAINE GORDON" pepsi440@me.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:07 am (PST)



Well I finally joined the cloud. I did some research. You can google iCloud or iCloud 101 and find all the information you will need so I won't try to explain it or answer any questions about the cloud itself. A particularly helpful spot is www.apple.com/icoud. Be sure to watch the video. A representative told me Apple's goal is to have everyone in the cloud by June of either this year or the next. I didn't listen close enough.

As far as I can tell, other than convenience, nothing has changed about my Mac, iPad or iPhone other than the mobile me apple ID and being in the cloud. All my data stayed just as I had it. I seem to have no problems at all. It says I have used 0 GB of my 5 GB allotment. More than 5 GB you have to pay. There's the rub. A nice feature is iTunes in the cloud. Anything I have ever downloaded from iTunes is available on all 3 of my devices.

I am happy with the cloud and don't foresee any problems.
Blaine Gordon

4a.

Typo

Posted by: "BLAINE F GORDON" pepsi440@me.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:28 am (PST)



Sorry for the typo in my last email about the cloud. It is www.apple.com/iCloud. Again be sure to watch the video.

Sent from my iPad

4b.

Re: Typo

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:34 am (PST)




On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:28 AM, BLAINE F GORDON wrote:

> Sorry for the typo in my last email about the cloud. It is
> www.apple.com/iCloud. Again be sure to watch the video.

Here is an excellent tutorial on iCloud:

iCloud: the essential guide
In Depth: Backups, storage, Photo Stream, documents and more

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/icloud-the-essential-
guide-1056797

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

4c.

Re: Typo

Posted by: "BLAINE F GORDON" pepsi440@me.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:38 am (PST)



Thanks Randy,
That is one I missed. I'll get right on it.
Blaine

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 15, 2012, at 5:33 AM, "Randy B. Singer" <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

>
> On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:28 AM, BLAINE F GORDON wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the typo in my last email about the cloud. It is
> > www.apple.com/iCloud. Again be sure to watch the video.
>
> Here is an excellent tutorial on iCloud:
>
> iCloud: the essential guide
> In Depth: Backups, storage, Photo Stream, documents and more
>
> http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/icloud-the-essential-
> guide-1056797
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>

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