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Sun Sep 2, 2012 11:16 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Josephine Bacon" baconandeggs_2001
Dear All,
Is there any way to recharge a Macbook which will not charge from the battery?
Josephine
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Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations Limited
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Is there any way to recharge a Macbook which will not charge from the battery?
Josephine
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Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations Limited
179 Kings Cross Road
London WC1x 9BZ
Tel:+44 207 833 0607
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Sun Sep 2, 2012 11:48 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jurgen Richter" epsongroups
The two-prong (one side larger than the other) plugs are "polarized"
described in further detail on Wikipedia:
Polarization
Some wiring systems have two circuit conductors, both of which have a
significant potential with respect to earth/ground. Where the wiring
system defines a "neutral" conductor that is connected to earth/ground,
it is an advantage for appliance designers to maintain that distinction.
This requires a plug that can only be connected in one way to the wall
socket, so that the energized and neutral conductors are not
interchanged. Such "polarized" plugs are not interchangeable with
non-polarized receptacles.
Polarization is maintained by the shape, size, or position of plug pins
and socket holes to ensure that a plug fits only one way into a socket.
The (single pole) switch of the appliance is then connected in series
with the energized wire. For an appliance such as a toaster, putting the
exposed heating wires on the neutral side of the switch provides a small
measure of extra protection against electrical shock; similarly, lamps
with Edison screw bases will connect the screw shell of the lamp socket
to the neutral conductor.
While all this is well and good, if the wall outlet is not wired
correctly, then this built-in "protection" is not much good. Another
poster mentioned the circuit testers currently available at least in N
America - they are usually a 3 prong plug with a series of LED lights,
that light up in particular combinations if outlets are wired correctly
or not, indicating the faulty condition(s). You can also get a ground
fault interrupt version for testing outlets GFI circuitry near wet
locations where this is a local requirement.
described in further detail on Wikipedia:
Polarization
Some wiring systems have two circuit conductors, both of which have a
significant potential with respect to earth/ground. Where the wiring
system defines a "neutral" conductor that is connected to earth/ground,
it is an advantage for appliance designers to maintain that distinction.
This requires a plug that can only be connected in one way to the wall
socket, so that the energized and neutral conductors are not
interchanged. Such "polarized" plugs are not interchangeable with
non-polarized receptacles.
Polarization is maintained by the shape, size, or position of plug pins
and socket holes to ensure that a plug fits only one way into a socket.
The (single pole) switch of the appliance is then connected in series
with the energized wire. For an appliance such as a toaster, putting the
exposed heating wires on the neutral side of the switch provides a small
measure of extra protection against electrical shock; similarly, lamps
with Edison screw bases will connect the screw shell of the lamp socket
to the neutral conductor.
While all this is well and good, if the wall outlet is not wired
correctly, then this built-in "protection" is not much good. Another
poster mentioned the circuit testers currently available at least in N
America - they are usually a 3 prong plug with a series of LED lights,
that light up in particular combinations if outlets are wired correctly
or not, indicating the faulty condition(s)
fault interrupt version for testing outlets GFI circuitry near wet
locations where this is a local requirement.
Sun Sep 2, 2012 1:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
On 2 Sep 2012, at 07:16 PM, Josephine Bacon <bacon@langservice.
> Dear All,
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> Is there any way to recharge a Macbook which will not charge from the battery?
What exactly do you expect to charge, if not the battery ....
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Sun Sep 2, 2012 1:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Keith, I think you've got perhaps some misinformation here. This isn't
my strong knowledge area so I may get this wrong but here goes.
In North America, Central America, and the northern Atlantic side of
South America, and American islands and territories in the Atlantic and
Pacific, the 15 amp 125 volt duplex non grounded outlet is now pretty
old stuff but still around.
The 15 amp 125 volt outlet with one taller blade slot and one shorter
blade slot means the hot wire is always linked to the shorter blade
slot and the neutral wire to the taller blade slot - this is called
polarity I believe.
While some neutral wires may be grounded the standard is for a 3 prong
polarized outlet with a 3rd hole for the ground wire.
Electricity enters via the hot blade/wire and exits via the neutral
blade/wire.
What is present in most countries, at least where electrical codes are
present AND enforced, is very similar but the shapes of the various
prongs, blades, and ground holes and prongs is different.
I have several of the 20 amp 125 volt isolated ground sockets in my
house.
The orange color generally (but not always) indicates an isolated
ground socket.
A green dot on the socket indicates Hospital Grade (a higher quality
socket).
A triangle on the socket indicates isolated ground and may often be
green in color but doesn't have to be (easier to mark with just one
color).
These three prong outlets were installed for years with the ground hole
on the bottom. In recent years, they are being installed with the
ground hole on the top (and now sometimes required by state electrical
codes) on the theory that tools and items that fall and hit the plug
may actually arc on the hot and neutral but if the ground prong is on
the up side the tool (or whatever hits it) won't cause an arc and a
short.
Of course, most electrical cords and plugs are still designed and made
to fit in a more convenient way when the ground prong is down.
Denver Dan
On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 07:26:49 -0700, keith_w wrote:
> Furthermore, to answer the question of why a third prong that doesn't GO
> anywhere, be advised that some manufacturers used to make use of a specific
> prong of a duplex plug as it's hot or ground return lead. They designed
> their inner circuitry accordingly.
> That's why the advent of the single wider prong on many duplex plugs in
> recent years. Did away with the need for that third prong.
>
> Why they did that...the reasoning behind it, I'm not knowledgeable about,
> so that's just a semi-educated guess.
>
> keith whaley
Keith, I think you've got perhaps some misinformation here. This isn't
my strong knowledge area so I may get this wrong but here goes.
In North America, Central America, and the northern Atlantic side of
South America, and American islands and territories in the Atlantic and
Pacific, the 15 amp 125 volt duplex non grounded outlet is now pretty
old stuff but still around.
The 15 amp 125 volt outlet with one taller blade slot and one shorter
blade slot means the hot wire is always linked to the shorter blade
slot and the neutral wire to the taller blade slot - this is called
polarity I believe.
While some neutral wires may be grounded the standard is for a 3 prong
polarized outlet with a 3rd hole for the ground wire.
Electricity enters via the hot blade/wire and exits via the neutral
blade/wire.
What is present in most countries, at least where electrical codes are
present AND enforced, is very similar but the shapes of the various
prongs, blades, and ground holes and prongs is different.
I have several of the 20 amp 125 volt isolated ground sockets in my
house.
The orange color generally (but not always) indicates an isolated
ground socket.
A green dot on the socket indicates Hospital Grade (a higher quality
socket).
A triangle on the socket indicates isolated ground and may often be
green in color but doesn't have to be (easier to mark with just one
color).
These three prong outlets were installed for years with the ground hole
on the bottom. In recent years, they are being installed with the
ground hole on the top (and now sometimes required by state electrical
codes) on the theory that tools and items that fall and hit the plug
may actually arc on the hot and neutral but if the ground prong is on
the up side the tool (or whatever hits it) won't cause an arc and a
short.
Of course, most electrical cords and plugs are still designed and made
to fit in a more convenient way when the ground prong is down.
Denver Dan
On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 07:26:49 -0700, keith_w wrote:
> Furthermore, to answer the question of why a third prong that doesn't GO
> anywhere, be advised that some manufacturers used to make use of a specific
> prong of a duplex plug as it's hot or ground return lead. They designed
> their inner circuitry accordingly.
> That's why the advent of the single wider prong on many duplex plugs in
> recent years. Did away with the need for that third prong.
>
> Why they did that...the reasoning behind it, I'm not knowledgeable about,
> so that's just a semi-educated guess.
>
> keith whaley
Sun Sep 2, 2012 1:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
If a battery won't accept a charge, and if it's old, you may need to
get a new battery.
In the US, check for a Batteries Plus retail location or check them
online. They carry all kinds of batteries, prices are decent, and they
recycle used batteries correctly.
Before replacing the battery, read the info I included in a post a day
or two ago about resetting the SMC on your computer. There is a good
article at Apple KB on how to do this. It's easy. The SMC has a lot
to do with sleep, wake, energy use, batteries, charging, etc.
If the SMC reset doesn't work, you need to check the charger/adapter
and cord and maybe swap it out.
Note that the adapter end (that little rounded corner box) that you
plug into wall sockets are not all interchangeable. They are rated for
different charging levels. So, for example, the adapter for my iPhone
is not strong enough to charge my iPad. This rating is in Watts and
the Watt amount is printed on the adapter or stamped in the plastic of
the adapter. For example, the adapter for my iPad is a 10W (10 Watt)
adapter.
Denver Dan
On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 19:16:38 +0100, Josephine Bacon wrote:
> Is there any way to recharge a Macbook which will not charge from the
> battery?
>
> Josephine
If a battery won't accept a charge, and if it's old, you may need to
get a new battery.
In the US, check for a Batteries Plus retail location or check them
online. They carry all kinds of batteries, prices are decent, and they
recycle used batteries correctly.
Before replacing the battery, read the info I included in a post a day
or two ago about resetting the SMC on your computer. There is a good
article at Apple KB on how to do this. It's easy. The SMC has a lot
to do with sleep, wake, energy use, batteries, charging, etc.
If the SMC reset doesn't work, you need to check the charger/adapter
and cord and maybe swap it out.
Note that the adapter end (that little rounded corner box) that you
plug into wall sockets are not all interchangeable. They are rated for
different charging levels. So, for example, the adapter for my iPhone
is not strong enough to charge my iPad. This rating is in Watts and
the Watt amount is printed on the adapter or stamped in the plastic of
the adapter. For example, the adapter for my iPad is a 10W (10 Watt)
adapter.
Denver Dan
On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 19:16:38 +0100, Josephine Bacon wrote:
> Is there any way to recharge a Macbook which will not charge from the
> battery?
>
> Josephine
Sun Sep 2, 2012 11:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Josephine Bacon" baconandeggs_2001
Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. The battery works fine and is fully charged. It just won't charge the computer any more. The only way to get the Mac to work is if it is plugged into the mains.
JB
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Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations Limited
179 Kings Cross Road
London WC1x 9BZ
Tel:+44 207 833 0607
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JB
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Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations Limited
179 Kings Cross Road
London WC1x 9BZ
Tel:+44 207 833 0607
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Mon Sep 3, 2012 4:12 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
?
The battery does not "charge" the computer; it provides power for it to run
when there is no mains (AC) connection. If the computer will not run with
the battery alone then either the battery is *not* fully charged (in fact,
not even part-charged), or there's something wrong with the Mac's battery
management/internal connection to the battery. If you don't have access to
another battery to eliminate the battery as the problem then I think you
need to take the Mac to an Apple Store or good Mac reseller.
Otto
On 3 September 2012 07:31, Josephine Bacon <bacon@langservice.com > wrote:
> Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. The battery works fine and is
> fully charged. It just won't charge the computer any more. The only way to
> get the Mac to work is if it is plugged into the mains.
>
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The battery does not "charge" the computer; it provides power for it to run
when there is no mains (AC) connection. If the computer will not run with
the battery alone then either the battery is *not* fully charged (in fact,
not even part-charged)
management/internal connection to the battery. If you don't have access to
another battery to eliminate the battery as the problem then I think you
need to take the Mac to an Apple Store or good Mac reseller.
Otto
On 3 September 2012 07:31, Josephine Bacon <bacon@langservice.
> Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. The battery works fine and is
> fully charged. It just won't charge the computer any more. The only way to
> get the Mac to work is if it is plugged into the mains.
>
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Mon Sep 3, 2012 4:24 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Josephine Bacon" baconandeggs_2001
Dear Otto,
The battery is definitely charged, I will see if the Mac store is willing to repair it.
JB
On 3 Sep 2012, at 12:12, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> ?
>
> The battery does not "charge" the computer; it provides power for it to run
> when there is no mains (AC) connection. If the computer will not run with
> the battery alone then either the battery is *not* fully charged (in fact,
> not even part-charged), or there's something wrong with the Mac's battery
> management/internal connection to the battery. If you don't have access to
> another battery to eliminate the battery as the problem then I think you
> need to take the Mac to an Apple Store or good Mac reseller.
>
> Otto
>
> On 3 September 2012 07:31, Josephine Bacon <bacon@langservice.com > wrote:
>
> > Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. The battery works fine and is
> > fully charged. It just won't charge the computer any more. The only way to
> > get the Mac to work is if it is plugged into the mains.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations Limited
179 Kings Cross Road
London WC1x 9BZ
Tel:+44 207 833 0607
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The battery is definitely charged, I will see if the Mac store is willing to repair it.
JB
On 3 Sep 2012, at 12:12, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> ?
>
> The battery does not "charge" the computer; it provides power for it to run
> when there is no mains (AC) connection. If the computer will not run with
> the battery alone then either the battery is *not* fully charged (in fact,
> not even part-charged)
> management/internal connection to the battery. If you don't have access to
> another battery to eliminate the battery as the problem then I think you
> need to take the Mac to an Apple Store or good Mac reseller.
>
> Otto
>
> On 3 September 2012 07:31, Josephine Bacon <bacon@langservice.
>
> > Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. The battery works fine and is
> > fully charged. It just won't charge the computer any more. The only way to
> > get the Mac to work is if it is plugged into the mains.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations Limited
179 Kings Cross Road
London WC1x 9BZ
Tel:+44 207 833 0607
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sun Sep 2, 2012 4:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Christopher Collins" cjc1959au
Set IMAP PATH PREFIX -> INBOX
cjc
On 02/09/2012, at 11:50 PM, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
>
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:24 PM, James Robertson wrote:
>
> > So, all we need to do is figure out how to make mine look like yours!
>
> I've done some additional investigating. I think now this isn't an iOS problem, it's an IMAP problem. Why?
>
> I have 4 email account on my iPad. One is IMAP with my ISP, one connects to my office's Exchange Server, one is an "Exchange IMAP" account with a health care enterprise, one is my iCloud IMAP account.
> Only the IMAP account with my ISP (where most of my mail comes and goes) has the problem that's vexing me ("Sent" messages listing the name of the sender at the left of the screen rather than the target recipient). All the other accounts show the recipient's name and/or email address on the first line.
> If I look at the folder lists under each email account, the ISP IMAP account list is different from all the others; instead of showing a list consisting of custom icons named Inbox, Drafts, Sent, Trash, Archive, and Junk, ALL of the folders are listed as subfolders WITHIN the inbox, and none of them except "Inbox" have the custom icons.
> Curiously, in Mountain Lion Mail.app (5.2) on my Mac, the folder hierarchy among accounts is different. Under "Inbox", all of my accounts "Inbox" folders are listed with custom icons; same for "Drafts", "Sent", and "Trash".
>
> I had a devil of a time getting my ISP inbox configured when I changed it from a POP to an IMAP account, with a third level Applecare support engineer and I screensharing my Mac for well over an hour while we looked at my mail in Mail.app as well as in my ISP's somewhat rudimentary webmail interface. Something tells me that there's some subtle change I should make to my IMAP folder hierarchy that could fix this.
>
> Anyone have ideas?
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> --
> Jim Robertson
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cjc
On 02/09/2012, at 11:50 PM, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.
>
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:24 PM, James Robertson wrote:
>
> > So, all we need to do is figure out how to make mine look like yours!
>
> I've done some additional investigating. I think now this isn't an iOS problem, it's an IMAP problem. Why?
>
> I have 4 email account on my iPad. One is IMAP with my ISP, one connects to my office's Exchange Server, one is an "Exchange IMAP" account with a health care enterprise, one is my iCloud IMAP account.
> Only the IMAP account with my ISP (where most of my mail comes and goes) has the problem that's vexing me ("Sent" messages listing the name of the sender at the left of the screen rather than the target recipient). All the other accounts show the recipient's name and/or email address on the first line.
> If I look at the folder lists under each email account, the ISP IMAP account list is different from all the others; instead of showing a list consisting of custom icons named Inbox, Drafts, Sent, Trash, Archive, and Junk, ALL of the folders are listed as subfolders WITHIN the inbox, and none of them except "Inbox" have the custom icons.
> Curiously, in Mountain Lion Mail.app (5.2) on my Mac, the folder hierarchy among accounts is different. Under "Inbox", all of my accounts "Inbox" folders are listed with custom icons; same for "Drafts", "Sent", and "Trash".
>
> I had a devil of a time getting my ISP inbox configured when I changed it from a POP to an IMAP account, with a third level Applecare support engineer and I screensharing my Mac for well over an hour while we looked at my mail in Mail.app as well as in my ISP's somewhat rudimentary webmail interface. Something tells me that there's some subtle change I should make to my IMAP folder hierarchy that could fix this.
>
> Anyone have ideas?
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> --
> Jim Robertson
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Sun Sep 2, 2012 9:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Sep 2, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
> I don't have an iPad but have you tried Settings > Mail, Contacts,
> Calendars > Mail > Show To/CC Label?
That's the way I have it set. Thanks for the suggestion nevertheless
--
Jim Robertson
Sun Sep 2, 2012 9:25 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Sep 2, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Christopher Collins <maclist@analogdigit
> Set IMAP PATH PREFIX -> INBOX
I'm assuming this refers to Preferences in Mail.app on the Mac. That's the way they're already set for the ISP IMAP account. I'm tempted to try to set up a Genius Bar appointment at the SF Apple Store and warn them in advance that I have an IMAP hornet's nest to clear up. I don't know whether they make attempts to match the genius's skillset. Maybe I should try to do it online with Apple tech support.
--
Jim Robertson
Mon Sep 3, 2012 1:55 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Christopher Collins" cjc1959au
A stupid question at this point. Your ISP does have an IMAP server setup at his end? Most ISPs don't support IMAP, only really supporting POP, and leaving IMAP support to others.
cjc
On 03/09/2012, at 2:25 PM, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Christopher Collins <maclist@analogdigital.com.au > wrote:
>
> > Set IMAP PATH PREFIX -> INBOX
>
> I'm assuming this refers to Preferences in Mail.app on the Mac. That's the way they're already set for the ISP IMAP account. I'm tempted to try to set up a Genius Bar appointment at the SF Apple Store and warn them in advance that I have an IMAP hornet's nest to clear up. I don't know whether they make attempts to match the genius's skillset. Maybe I should try to do it online with Apple tech support.
>
> --
> Jim Robertson
>
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cjc
On 03/09/2012, at 2:25 PM, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Christopher Collins <maclist@analogdigit
>
> > Set IMAP PATH PREFIX -> INBOX
>
> I'm assuming this refers to Preferences in Mail.app on the Mac. That's the way they're already set for the ISP IMAP account. I'm tempted to try to set up a Genius Bar appointment at the SF Apple Store and warn them in advance that I have an IMAP hornet's nest to clear up. I don't know whether they make attempts to match the genius's skillset. Maybe I should try to do it online with Apple tech support.
>
> --
> Jim Robertson
>
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Mon Sep 3, 2012 4:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Sep 3, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
> A stupid question at this point. Your ISP does have an IMAP server setup at his end? Most ISPs don't support IMAP, only really supporting POP, and leaving IMAP support to others.
Actually, I think I have one of the best ISP's on the planet. They did the fiber infrastructure for Google's campus. They're doing fiber infrastructure for Sebastopol, CA and limited rollout in Santa Rosa (where they're based). If I call for tech support on a Sunday at 7 am or 9 pm, I'll be talking with a real person (who knows what he or she is talking about). However, I think they'd regard this as iOS-specific and suggest I take it up with Apple.
--
Jim Robertson
Sun Sep 2, 2012 5:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"gloriajstitcher@sbcglobal.net" gloriajstitcher@sbcglobal.net
I have reset my password, have emailed Apple and my ID is STILL disabled!! help!
Sun Sep 2, 2012 6:33 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Linda Weidemann" thinkblackink
On 9/2/12 7:15 PM, gloriajstitcher@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> I have reset my password, have emailed Apple and my ID is STILL disabled!! help!
>
I had to make an appointment at the Genius Bar and have a Genius get on
the phone with Apple, who then had to call me back hours later so that
we could do whatever we had to do on the phone together. It was a
hassle, but we got it done -- but I couldn't have done it if the Genius
Bar hadn't accelerated my case.
~Linda
> I have reset my password, have emailed Apple and my ID is STILL disabled!! help!
>
I had to make an appointment at the Genius Bar and have a Genius get on
the phone with Apple, who then had to call me back hours later so that
we could do whatever we had to do on the phone together. It was a
hassle, but we got it done -- but I couldn't have done it if the Genius
Bar hadn't accelerated my case.
~Linda
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