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Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Guy Kudlemyer wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Please forgive my ignorance, but I'm new to the iPhone game.
>
> I have an Excel for Mac 2008 spreadsheet that spans 8 columns and nearly
> 6,000 rows. Is there an ap available that would allow me to download and
> sync that spreadsheet so that it could be viewed on my iPhone? I don't want
> to edit the spreadsheet on the phone, I just want to be able to view it and
> refer to it.
Have you downloaded Numbers? It will open Excel spreadsheets, and it costs only $10. You can get it at the App Store.
Daly
Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:47 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jurgen Richter" epsongroups
You could convert the Excel file to PDF and then view it on your IOS
device of choice; I have an app I bought called GoodReader which allows
you to read many formats of documents once you get it onto your iPhone.
"GoodReader not only supports massive PDF and TXT files, but also
handles the most popular file types:
* MS Office - .doc, .ppt., .xls
* iWork ’08/’09
* HTML and Safari webarchives
* High resolution images
* Even audio and video!
See more of it here:
http://www.goodiware.com/goodreader.html
Some limitations as noted from the website:
Known limitations
GoodReader heavily relies on iOS capabilities. Some features that are
related to file viewing are limited on iPhone/iPod/iPad. Here are some
limitations that we know of:
* JPEG2000 image compression used in some PDF files is only
supported by iOS 5.0 or later.
* 256-bit AES PDF-encryption is only supported by iOS 4.2 or later
* Some PDF eBooks are protected by DRM technology (Digital
Rights Management). This is a piece of software embedded into a
PDF file, that asks for your user name and password upon file
opening and then checks if you have the right to view this
particular file. This is different from general PDF password
protection, which usually only asks for a password, not your user
name. DRM-protected PDFs are not supported, while general
password-protected PDF files are supported.
* PDF's 3D, audio and video content is not supported. PDF layers
and fillable forms are also not supported at this time.
* PDF Portfolios are supported, but not for a direct reading,
like it happens in Adobe Acrobat 9 or later. PDF Portfolios are
complex PDF files with a very simple first page (usually it says
something like "This file can be opened with Adobe Acrobat 9"),
and a set of many PDF files embedded into this file, which is used
simply as a container for other PDF files. GoodReader lets you
extract those files from a PDF Portfolio for further reading them
as normal PDF files.
* iOS contains only a subset of certain fonts (Asian, Arabic,
special math symbols, etc.), so to display PDFs with those
characters correctly, those fonts must be embedded into a PDF file
itself. Please read our detailed guide for an explanation on how
to fix this issue.
* MS Office files with password protection are not supported
* Some Microsoft Office files are shown a little bit incorrectly
(converting them to PDFs solves the problem)
* iWork'08/09 files must be saved with Include Preview option
device of choice; I have an app I bought called GoodReader which allows
you to read many formats of documents once you get it onto your iPhone.
"GoodReader not only supports massive PDF and TXT files, but also
handles the most popular file types:
* MS Office - .doc, .ppt., .xls
* iWork ’08/’09
* HTML and Safari webarchives
* High resolution images
* Even audio and video!
See more of it here:
http://www.goodiwar
Some limitations as noted from the website:
Known limitations
GoodReader heavily relies on iOS capabilities. Some features that are
related to file viewing are limited on iPhone/iPod/
limitations that we know of:
* JPEG2000 image compression used in some PDF files is only
supported by iOS 5.0 or later.
* 256-bit AES PDF-encryption is only supported by iOS 4.2 or later
* Some PDF eBooks are protected by DRM technology (Digital
Rights Management). This is a piece of software embedded into a
PDF file, that asks for your user name and password upon file
opening and then checks if you have the right to view this
particular file. This is different from general PDF password
protection, which usually only asks for a password, not your user
name. DRM-protected PDFs are not supported, while general
password-protected PDF files are supported.
* PDF's 3D, audio and video content is not supported. PDF layers
and fillable forms are also not supported at this time.
* PDF Portfolios are supported, but not for a direct reading,
like it happens in Adobe Acrobat 9 or later. PDF Portfolios are
complex PDF files with a very simple first page (usually it says
something like "This file can be opened with Adobe Acrobat 9"),
and a set of many PDF files embedded into this file, which is used
simply as a container for other PDF files. GoodReader lets you
extract those files from a PDF Portfolio for further reading them
as normal PDF files.
* iOS contains only a subset of certain fonts (Asian, Arabic,
special math symbols, etc.), so to display PDFs with those
characters correctly, those fonts must be embedded into a PDF file
itself. Please read our detailed guide for an explanation on how
to fix this issue.
* MS Office files with password protection are not supported
* Some Microsoft Office files are shown a little bit incorrectly
(converting them to PDFs solves the problem)
* iWork'08/09 files must be saved with Include Preview option
Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Don Seal" don.96705
Jim
What does Apple use to verify a REAL address. I can't get home mail delivery, the Post Office doesn't provide home delivery to new [1990] subdivisions. www.USPS.gov gives this response when I try to find my zip code: Unfortunately, this address wasn't found. This is the situation in probably 90% of Hawaii's area.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
2 x 2.93 GHz Early 2009 Mac Pro
OS X 10.7.4
6GB RAM
p.s. At the start of World War II, FDR promised home delivery of mail for everyone as a gas saving measure. One car driving out to 25 houses vs 25 cars driving to the Post Office. I'm not holding my breath.
On Oct 9, 2012, at 09:32, Jim Saklad wrote:
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>
> Most of the differences either FAVOR Apple (e.g., 5X better data efficiency than Google, hugely improved ability to use when off-line), or are relatively trivial (satellite view has distorted renderings in certain areas).
>
> Where Google will often direct you to whatever random address you enter, Apple checks to see if it is a REAL address that actually exits, and if not, won't make up directions to it.
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Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> What does Apple use to verify a REAL address. I can't get home mail delivery, the Post Office doesn't provide home delivery to new [1990] subdivisions.
I don't know.
I am at an address that hasn't changed in many decades; I have lived here for 30 years myself. Maps finds it, even though my *mailing* addresses are P.O. boxes a half mile and 2 miles down the road, and we have no mailbox on the property.
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
I don't know.
I am at an address that hasn't changed in many decades; I have lived here for 30 years myself. Maps finds it, even though my *mailing* addresses are P.O. boxes a half mile and 2 miles down the road, and we have no mailbox on the property.
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
me too.
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com > wrote:
> Thanks. So it *has* moved. Why something so basic is no longer in the
> standard menu escapes me.
>
> Otto
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> On 10 October 2012 21:26, LouisD <lou@loudina.com > wrote:
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>> Thanks, Mark. "Empty Caches" was hiding in the Develop menu and I couldn't
>> find it. That did the trick. Perfect.
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>> Otto, the empty cache command only appears in the Develop Menu as far as I
>> can tell, at least with Safari 6.0.1 on my machine. I looked for it all
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I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
> Thanks. So it *has* moved. Why something so basic is no longer in the
> standard menu escapes me.
>
> Otto
>
> On 10 October 2012 21:26, LouisD <lou@loudina.
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>> Thanks, Mark. "Empty Caches" was hiding in the Develop menu and I couldn't
>> find it. That did the trick. Perfect.
>>
>> Otto, the empty cache command only appears in the Develop Menu as far as I
>> can tell, at least with Safari 6.0.1 on my machine. I looked for it all
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Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
i don't really want to keep this conversation going if it upsets people. but, i really appreciate your
comments. makes a world of difference in this light.
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
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> Yes, iMac *can* hibernate. Normally they won't, but they can do it, and if they do they will use more than 2GB of sleep image, if they have more than 2GB of ram.
>
> Frankly, it seems whoever you spoke to doesn't really know what they are talking about.
>
> On 10 Oct 2012, at 7:09pm, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
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>> well, john, i've been putting my iMac to sleep since i got it in 2010.
>> thx.
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>
>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:41 AM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.net > wrote:
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>>> I believe that a sleep image is never created if you do not let your hard drive sleep.
>>>
>>> John Engberg
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/10/12 15:08, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>> i don't understand.
>>>>
>>>> Its not rocket science... The sleepimage file is only created if and
>>>> when the system needs it. When it hiberates. If it wasn't there before,
>>>> then your machine had never needed to make it beforehad.
>>>>
>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Chris Jones<jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:23, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>> my point is it was never there at 17GBs before last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you probably then hadn't done whatever was needed to create it, like
>>>>>> hibernate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Chris Jones<jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/10/12 16:29, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> thanks, Mike.
>>>>>>>>> the page Tim put in his reply is the same page i used to try to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>> http://osxdaily.com/2010/10/11/sleepimage-mac/
>>>>>>>>> i might call Apple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you expect them to say.... This file is *needed* when your
>>>>>>>> machine is put to sleep. You can delete it if you want, but it will
>>>>>>>> always comeback eventually, unless you never put your machine to sleep
>>>>>>>> again... I'm afraid but you are just going to have to accept it I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, mpstupinski@snet.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...........Mike
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Doug Yelmen<dougyelmen@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i suddenly inherited 17GBs of sleepimage. i've read it can be gotten rid of. i entered the command line i read from some guy off of google.
>>>>>>>>>>> but it came back. it wasn't there until recently?
>>>>>>>>>>> can someone tell me how to get rid of it. it is important (to me) because it is on my only 120GB SSD. (i shoulda)
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@...
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comments. makes a world of difference in this light.
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>
> Yes, iMac *can* hibernate. Normally they won't, but they can do it, and if they do they will use more than 2GB of sleep image, if they have more than 2GB of ram.
>
> Frankly, it seems whoever you spoke to doesn't really know what they are talking about.
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> On 10 Oct 2012, at 7:09pm, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
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>> well, john, i've been putting my iMac to sleep since i got it in 2010.
>> thx.
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>
>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:41 AM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.
>>
>>> I believe that a sleep image is never created if you do not let your hard drive sleep.
>>>
>>> John Engberg
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>>>
>>>> On 09/10/12 15:08, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>> i don't understand.
>>>>
>>>> Its not rocket science... The sleepimage file is only created if and
>>>> when the system needs it. When it hiberates. If it wasn't there before,
>>>> then your machine had never needed to make it beforehad.
>>>>
>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Chris Jones<jonesc@hep.phy.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:23, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>> my point is it was never there at 17GBs before last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you probably then hadn't done whatever was needed to create it, like
>>>>>> hibernate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Chris Jones<jonesc@hep.phy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/10/12 16:29, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> thanks, Mike.
>>>>>>>>> the page Tim put in his reply is the same page i used to try to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>> http://osxdaily.
>>>>>>>>> i might call Apple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you expect them to say.... This file is *needed* when your
>>>>>>>> machine is put to sleep. You can delete it if you want, but it will
>>>>>>>> always comeback eventually, unless you never put your machine to sleep
>>>>>>>> again... I'm afraid but you are just going to have to accept it I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, mpstupinski@
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...........Mike
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- In macsupportcentral@
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i suddenly inherited 17GBs of sleepimage. i've read it can be gotten rid of. i entered the command line i read from some guy off of google.
>>>>>>>>>>> but it came back. it wasn't there until recently?
>>>>>>>>>>> can someone tell me how to get rid of it. it is important (to me) because it is on my only 120GB SSD. (i shoulda)
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
this article refers to MacBooks, but you already knew that?
if someone doesn't like a thread, is bored, they should not contribute further to it, it seems to me.
it also seems to me, that, in my case, i am troubled by a significant amount of disk space, that even
a mac senior tech couldn't fix. nonetheless, some members tried to help. i appreciate that very much.
but, let's stop trying to revive a dead horse.
i will call apple. and if i do get it fixed, i will write the group, unfortunately, maybe, with a new subject
heading.
thanks all. have a pleasant night and good morning.
doug
Doug Yelmen
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On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
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> you can force in on a iMac in exactly the same way as on a mac book. The only difference is a iMac doesn't have a battery, so lacks the automate triggering of it when the juice runs out.
>
> There are plenty of articles on the web. e.g.
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> http://www.geekguides.co.uk/104/how-to-enable-hibernate-mode-on-a-mac/
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> Quite how the OP caused his machine to do it, I cannot answer, and frankly at this juncture I no longer really care.
>
> this discussion is getting boring. please lets move on…
>
> cheers Chris
>
> On 11 Oct 2012, at 12:47am, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net > wrote:
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>> What would initiate a 'hibernation' on an iMac? There's no selection for it in Energy Saver.
>>
>> ...............Mike
>>
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>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
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>>>
>>> Yes, iMac *can* hibernate. Normally they won't, but they can do it, and if they do they will use more than 2GB of sleep image, if they have more than 2GB of ram.
>>>
>>> Frankly, it seems whoever you spoke to doesn't really know what they are talking about.
>>>
>>> On 10 Oct 2012, at 7:09pm, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
>>>
>>>> well, john, i've been putting my iMac to sleep since i got it in 2010.
>>>> thx.
>>>> doug
>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:41 AM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.net > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe that a sleep image is never created if you do not let your hard drive sleep.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Engberg
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/10/12 15:08, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>> i don't understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not rocket science... The sleepimage file is only created if and
>>>>>> when the system needs it. When it hiberates. If it wasn't there before,
>>>>>> then your machine had never needed to make it beforehad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Chris Jones<jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:23, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> my point is it was never there at 17GBs before last week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you probably then hadn't done whatever was needed to create it, like
>>>>>>>> hibernate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Chris Jones<jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/12 16:29, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks, Mike.
>>>>>>>>>>> the page Tim put in his reply is the same page i used to try to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://osxdaily.com/2010/10/11/sleepimage-mac/
>>>>>>>>>>> i might call Apple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you expect them to say.... This file is *needed* when your
>>>>>>>>>> machine is put to sleep. You can delete it if you want, but it will
>>>>>>>>>> always comeback eventually, unless you never put your machine to sleep
>>>>>>>>>> again... I'm afraid but you are just going to have to accept it I think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, mpstupinski@snet.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...........Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Doug Yelmen<dougyelmen@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i suddenly inherited 17GBs of sleepimage. i've read it can be gotten rid of. i entered the command line i read from some guy off of google.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it came back. it wasn't there until recently?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can someone tell me how to get rid of it. it is important (to me) because it is on my only 120GB SSD. (i shoulda)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@...
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if someone doesn't like a thread, is bored, they should not contribute further to it, it seems to me.
it also seems to me, that, in my case, i am troubled by a significant amount of disk space, that even
a mac senior tech couldn't fix. nonetheless, some members tried to help. i appreciate that very much.
but, let's stop trying to revive a dead horse.
i will call apple. and if i do get it fixed, i will write the group, unfortunately, maybe, with a new subject
heading.
thanks all. have a pleasant night and good morning.
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>
> you can force in on a iMac in exactly the same way as on a mac book. The only difference is a iMac doesn't have a battery, so lacks the automate triggering of it when the juice runs out.
>
> There are plenty of articles on the web. e.g.
>
> http://www.geekguid
>
> Quite how the OP caused his machine to do it, I cannot answer, and frankly at this juncture I no longer really care.
>
> this discussion is getting boring. please lets move on…
>
> cheers Chris
>
> On 11 Oct 2012, at 12:47am, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@
>
>> What would initiate a 'hibernation' on an iMac? There's no selection for it in Energy Saver.
>>
>> ............
>>
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, iMac *can* hibernate. Normally they won't, but they can do it, and if they do they will use more than 2GB of sleep image, if they have more than 2GB of ram.
>>>
>>> Frankly, it seems whoever you spoke to doesn't really know what they are talking about.
>>>
>>> On 10 Oct 2012, at 7:09pm, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>
>>>> well, john, i've been putting my iMac to sleep since i got it in 2010.
>>>> thx.
>>>> doug
>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>
>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:41 AM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.
>>>>
>>>>> I believe that a sleep image is never created if you do not let your hard drive sleep.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Engberg
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/10/12 15:08, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>> i don't understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not rocket science... The sleepimage file is only created if and
>>>>>> when the system needs it. When it hiberates. If it wasn't there before,
>>>>>> then your machine had never needed to make it beforehad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Chris Jones<jonesc@hep.phy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:23, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> my point is it was never there at 17GBs before last week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you probably then hadn't done whatever was needed to create it, like
>>>>>>>> hibernate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Chris Jones<jonesc@hep.phy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/12 16:29, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks, Mike.
>>>>>>>>>>> the page Tim put in his reply is the same page i used to try to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://osxdaily.
>>>>>>>>>>> i might call Apple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you expect them to say.... This file is *needed* when your
>>>>>>>>>> machine is put to sleep. You can delete it if you want, but it will
>>>>>>>>>> always comeback eventually, unless you never put your machine to sleep
>>>>>>>>>> again... I'm afraid but you are just going to have to accept it I think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, mpstupinski@
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...........Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In macsupportcentral@
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"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
yup. yer right about that. i just saw that.
well, they say change the subject line if you are changing subjects????
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 10 Oct 2012, at 11:49pm, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
>
>> i see no reason to be rude.
>> i never changed the subject line,
>
> There are two threads *you* start on this list about this. One entitled "called apple" and another called "
>
>> nor was there anywhere near 50 or 60 messages. i also mentioned that i knew the sleepimage matched the amount of RAM. i also mentioned that this is a iMac, and not a laptop.
>> i also mentioned that this is new issue.
>> i was not rude.
>> and i refuse to be rude.
>>
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>
>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:55 AM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>>
>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this. We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>
>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>
>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>
>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>
>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>
>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>
>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't see any info on your system.
>>>>
>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB, to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>
>>>> Brent
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>
>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>
>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> doug
>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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well, they say change the subject line if you are changing subjects????
doug
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On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
> Hi,
>
>
> On 10 Oct 2012, at 11:49pm, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
>
>> i see no reason to be rude.
>> i never changed the subject line,
>
> There are two threads *you* start on this list about this. One entitled "called apple" and another called "
>
>> nor was there anywhere near 50 or 60 messages. i also mentioned that i knew the sleepimage matched the amount of RAM. i also mentioned that this is a iMac, and not a laptop.
>> i also mentioned that this is new issue.
>> i was not rude.
>> and i refuse to be rude.
>>
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>
>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:55 AM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>>
>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this. We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>
>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>
>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>
>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>
>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>
>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>
>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>>>
>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't see any info on your system.
>>>>
>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB, to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>
>>>> Brent
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>
>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>
>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> doug
>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>
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"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
indeed.
Doug Yelmen
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On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
> Whoops, accidentally clicked send too soon…
>
> I intended to say..
>
> There are two threads *you* start on this list about this. One entitled "called apple" and another called "sleep image 17Gb of it"
>
> so yes, you did start more than one thread.
>
> On 11 Oct 2012, at 12:07am, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On 10 Oct 2012, at 11:49pm, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
>>
>>> i see no reason to be rude.
>>> i never changed the subject line,
>>
>> There are two threads *you* start on this list about this. One entitled "called apple" and another called "
>>
>>> nor was there anywhere near 50 or 60 messages. i also mentioned that i knew the sleepimage matched the amount of RAM. i also mentioned that this is a iMac, and not a laptop.
>>> i also mentioned that this is new issue.
>>> i was not rude.
>>> and i refuse to be rude.
>>>
>>> doug
>>> Doug Yelmen
>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>
>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:55 AM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>>>
>>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this. We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>>
>>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>>
>>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>>
>>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>>
>>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>>
>>>> doug
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't see any info on your system.
>>>>>
>>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB, to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>>
>>>>> Brent
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
>>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
>>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
>>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
>>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> doug
>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
> Whoops, accidentally clicked send too soon…
>
> I intended to say..
>
> There are two threads *you* start on this list about this. One entitled "called apple" and another called "sleep image 17Gb of it"
>
> so yes, you did start more than one thread.
>
> On 11 Oct 2012, at 12:07am, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On 10 Oct 2012, at 11:49pm, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
>>
>>> i see no reason to be rude.
>>> i never changed the subject line,
>>
>> There are two threads *you* start on this list about this. One entitled "called apple" and another called "
>>
>>> nor was there anywhere near 50 or 60 messages. i also mentioned that i knew the sleepimage matched the amount of RAM. i also mentioned that this is a iMac, and not a laptop.
>>> i also mentioned that this is new issue.
>>> i was not rude.
>>> and i refuse to be rude.
>>>
>>> doug
>>> Doug Yelmen
>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>
>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:55 AM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>>>
>>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this. We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>>
>>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>>
>>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>>
>>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>>
>>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>>
>>>> doug
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>>>>
>>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't see any info on your system.
>>>>>
>>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB, to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>>
>>>>> Brent
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
>>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
>>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
>>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
>>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> doug
>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
so, if i may, can i disable hibernation on my iMac? i haven't found it anywhere.
glad you recognize how big a difference 17 gigs on a SSD is compared to a 1TB HDD.
not that no one else "gets it."
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.net > wrote:
> Hi Doug;
>
> The sleepimage file has to be the size of the RAM installed on your system. It may not be "normal" or common for folks to be running systems with 16 gig of RAM (yet), but it will be more common as more machines can use that much. I think maybe the Apple tech may not have made the connection between the RAM size on your machine and the size of the file, but they do match.
>
> As for the existence of the sleepimage file - it *will* exist on any machine - laptop or desktop - that has been in hibernate or "deep sleep" state in the past (or since the previous sleepimage file was last deleted). Until I disabled hibernation on my MacBook Pro to save limited space on my SSD drive (same as you reasoning...) I went through a few cycles of deleting the sleepimage file before I was able to nail down the cause of its returning all the time.
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
>
>> i wasn't trying to "not move on." and i mentioned this is not a laptop, and therefore doesn't hibernate. and that the senior tech at apple
>> said it is Not normal for it to be such a big file.
>> i was pleasantly surprised that people wanted to help me.
>> now, this.
>> no one seems to get it, or know the solution.
>> so, you attack me?
>> i don't do well with confrontation.
>> so, i will not engage.
>>
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>
>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 09/10/12 16:55, N.A. Nada wrote:
>>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this. We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>>
>>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>
>>> Whilst I agree with all the above, just to be precise it isn't when the
>>> system goes into sleep that this happens. It happens when the system
>>> hibernates (or safe sleep). See
>>>
>>> <http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/51725/do-macbooks-have-a-true-hibernate-option >
>>>
>>> for instance to explain the differences. There a are plenty of other
>>> articles on the web explaining it.
>>>
>>> Hibernate is not something a desktop would normally need to do (which I
>>> gather from one of the OP's numerous other threads on this... he has).
>>> Probably that explains why he hasn't seen it before. Something must have
>>> happened, or have been done to the machine, to cause it to need to go
>>> into this state.
>>>
>>> Can we please move on from this. Its normal, and less you want to
>>> interfere with the normal operation of your machine, I wouldn't touch it.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>>
>>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>>
>>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>>
>>>> doug
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada<whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't see any info on your system.
>>>>>
>>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB, to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>>
>>>>> Brent
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
>>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
>>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
>>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
>>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> doug
>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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glad you recognize how big a difference 17 gigs on a SSD is compared to a 1TB HDD.
not that no one else "gets it."
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.
> Hi Doug;
>
> The sleepimage file has to be the size of the RAM installed on your system. It may not be "normal" or common for folks to be running systems with 16 gig of RAM (yet), but it will be more common as more machines can use that much. I think maybe the Apple tech may not have made the connection between the RAM size on your machine and the size of the file, but they do match.
>
> As for the existence of the sleepimage file - it *will* exist on any machine - laptop or desktop - that has been in hibernate or "deep sleep" state in the past (or since the previous sleepimage file was last deleted). Until I disabled hibernation on my MacBook Pro to save limited space on my SSD drive (same as you reasoning...
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
>
>> i wasn't trying to "not move on." and i mentioned this is not a laptop, and therefore doesn't hibernate. and that the senior tech at apple
>> said it is Not normal for it to be such a big file.
>> i was pleasantly surprised that people wanted to help me.
>> now, this.
>> no one seems to get it, or know the solution.
>> so, you attack me?
>> i don't do well with confrontation.
>> so, i will not engage.
>>
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>
>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 09/10/12 16:55, N.A. Nada wrote:
>>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this. We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>>
>>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>
>>> Whilst I agree with all the above, just to be precise it isn't when the
>>> system goes into sleep that this happens. It happens when the system
>>> hibernates (or safe sleep). See
>>>
>>> <http://apple.
>>>
>>> for instance to explain the differences. There a are plenty of other
>>> articles on the web explaining it.
>>>
>>> Hibernate is not something a desktop would normally need to do (which I
>>> gather from one of the OP's numerous other threads on this... he has).
>>> Probably that explains why he hasn't seen it before. Something must have
>>> happened, or have been done to the machine, to cause it to need to go
>>> into this state.
>>>
>>> Can we please move on from this. Its normal, and less you want to
>>> interfere with the normal operation of your machine, I wouldn't touch it.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>>
>>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>>
>>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>>
>>>> doug
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada<whodo678@comcast.
>>>>
>>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't see any info on your system.
>>>>>
>>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB, to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>>
>>>>> Brent
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
>>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
>>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
>>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
>>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> doug
>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bill Boulware" boulware0224
*
http://macsmarticles.blogspot.com/2011/02/sleepimage-how-to-remove-gigabytes-of.html
Hibernation Mode Settings: *
*Disable*
sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 0
*Enable*
sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 3
*Always Use*
sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 1
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net >wrote:
> **
>
>
> so, if i may, can i disable hibernation on my iMac? i haven't found it
> anywhere.
> glad you recognize how big a difference 17 gigs on a SSD is compared to a
> 1TB HDD.
> not that no one else "gets it."
>
>
> doug
> Doug Yelmen
> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>
> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri
> Matisse
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.net > wrote:
>
> > Hi Doug;
> >
> > The sleepimage file has to be the size of the RAM installed on your
> system. It may not be "normal" or common for folks to be running systems
> with 16 gig of RAM (yet), but it will be more common as more machines can
> use that much. I think maybe the Apple tech may not have made the
> connection between the RAM size on your machine and the size of the file,
> but they do match.
> >
> > As for the existence of the sleepimage file - it *will* exist on any
> machine - laptop or desktop - that has been in hibernate or "deep sleep"
> state in the past (or since the previous sleepimage file was last deleted).
> Until I disabled hibernation on my MacBook Pro to save limited space on my
> SSD drive (same as you reasoning...) I went through a few cycles of
> deleting the sleepimage file before I was able to nail down the cause of
> its returning all the time.
> >
> >
> > On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net >
> wrote:
> >
> >> i wasn't trying to "not move on." and i mentioned this is not a laptop,
> and therefore doesn't hibernate. and that the senior tech at apple
> >> said it is Not normal for it to be such a big file.
> >> i was pleasantly surprised that people wanted to help me.
> >> now, this.
> >> no one seems to get it, or know the solution.
> >> so, you attack me?
> >> i don't do well with confrontation.
> >> so, i will not engage.
> >>
> >> doug
> >> Doug Yelmen
> >> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
> >>
> >> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~
> Henri Matisse
> >>
> >> On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On 09/10/12 16:55, N.A. Nada wrote:
> >>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't
> mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you
> have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this.
> We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
> >>>>
> >>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the
> sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if
> you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
> >>>>
> >>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves
> all the information that is in RAM at that time.
> >>>
> >>> Whilst I agree with all the above, just to be precise it isn't when
> the
> >>> system goes into sleep that this happens. It happens when the system
> >>> hibernates (or safe sleep). See
> >>>
> >>> <
> http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/51725/do-macbooks-have-a-true-hibernate-option
> >
> >>>
> >>> for instance to explain the differences. There a are plenty of other
> >>> articles on the web explaining it.
> >>>
> >>> Hibernate is not something a desktop would normally need to do (which
> I
> >>> gather from one of the OP's numerous other threads on this... he has).
> >>> Probably that explains why he hasn't seen it before. Something must
> have
> >>> happened, or have been done to the machine, to cause it to need to go
> >>> into this state.
> >>>
> >>> Can we please move on from this. Its normal, and less you want to
> >>> interfere with the normal operation of your machine, I wouldn't touch
> it.
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
> >>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
> >>>>
> >>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from
> about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
> >>>>
> >>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other
> stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
> >>>>
> >>>> doug
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada<whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't
> see any info on your system.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the
> system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB,
> to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brent
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create
> large
> >>>>> files it doesn't need.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
> >>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely
> run
> >>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
> >>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without
> this
> >>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
> >>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked
> me through the terminal instructions.
> >>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and
> all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
> >>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what
> someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says
> (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then
> double it.
> >>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> doug
> >>>>>> Doug Yelmen
> >>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things."
> ~ Henri Matisse
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> **
>
>
> so, if i may, can i disable hibernation on my iMac? i haven't found it
> anywhere.
> glad you recognize how big a difference 17 gigs on a SSD is compared to a
> 1TB HDD.
> not that no one else "gets it."
>
>
> doug
> Doug Yelmen
> dougyelmen@earthlin
>
> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri
> Matisse
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.
>
> > Hi Doug;
> >
> > The sleepimage file has to be the size of the RAM installed on your
> system. It may not be "normal" or common for folks to be running systems
> with 16 gig of RAM (yet), but it will be more common as more machines can
> use that much. I think maybe the Apple tech may not have made the
> connection between the RAM size on your machine and the size of the file,
> but they do match.
> >
> > As for the existence of the sleepimage file - it *will* exist on any
> machine - laptop or desktop - that has been in hibernate or "deep sleep"
> state in the past (or since the previous sleepimage file was last deleted).
> Until I disabled hibernation on my MacBook Pro to save limited space on my
> SSD drive (same as you reasoning...
> deleting the sleepimage file before I was able to nail down the cause of
> its returning all the time.
> >
> >
> > On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
> wrote:
> >
> >> i wasn't trying to "not move on." and i mentioned this is not a laptop,
> and therefore doesn't hibernate. and that the senior tech at apple
> >> said it is Not normal for it to be such a big file.
> >> i was pleasantly surprised that people wanted to help me.
> >> now, this.
> >> no one seems to get it, or know the solution.
> >> so, you attack me?
> >> i don't do well with confrontation.
> >> so, i will not engage.
> >>
> >> doug
> >> Doug Yelmen
> >> dougyelmen@earthlin
> >>
> >> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~
> Henri Matisse
> >>
> >> On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On 09/10/12 16:55, N.A. Nada wrote:
> >>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't
> mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you
> have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this.
> We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
> >>>>
> >>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the
> sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if
> you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
> >>>>
> >>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves
> all the information that is in RAM at that time.
> >>>
> >>> Whilst I agree with all the above, just to be precise it isn't when
> the
> >>> system goes into sleep that this happens. It happens when the system
> >>> hibernates (or safe sleep). See
> >>>
> >>> <
> http://apple.
> >
> >>>
> >>> for instance to explain the differences. There a are plenty of other
> >>> articles on the web explaining it.
> >>>
> >>> Hibernate is not something a desktop would normally need to do (which
> I
> >>> gather from one of the OP's numerous other threads on this... he has).
> >>> Probably that explains why he hasn't seen it before. Something must
> have
> >>> happened, or have been done to the machine, to cause it to need to go
> >>> into this state.
> >>>
> >>> Can we please move on from this. Its normal, and less you want to
> >>> interfere with the normal operation of your machine, I wouldn't touch
> it.
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
> >>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
> >>>>
> >>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from
> about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
> >>>>
> >>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other
> stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
> >>>>
> >>>> doug
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada<whodo678@comcast.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't
> see any info on your system.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the
> system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB,
> to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brent
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create
> large
> >>>>> files it doesn't need.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
> >>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely
> run
> >>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
> >>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without
> this
> >>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
> >>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked
> me through the terminal instructions.
> >>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and
> all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
> >>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what
> someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says
> (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then
> double it.
> >>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> doug
> >>>>>> Doug Yelmen
> >>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things."
> ~ Henri Matisse
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
it worked when i logged out and back in. but upon restart, it is back again.
guess i will have to live with it.
i have already moved my movies, any music, to my internal hard drive.
thanks a bunch, Bill. for a second there, i thought i had it licked.
i won't say anything more on the subject. and i am going to bed. frack it.
ha.
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@gmail.com > wrote:
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> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net >wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> so, if i may, can i disable hibernation on my iMac? i haven't found it
>> anywhere.
>> glad you recognize how big a difference 17 gigs on a SSD is compared to a
>> 1TB HDD.
>> not that no one else "gets it."
>>
>>
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>
>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri
>> Matisse
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.net > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Doug;
>>>
>>> The sleepimage file has to be the size of the RAM installed on your
>> system. It may not be "normal" or common for folks to be running systems
>> with 16 gig of RAM (yet), but it will be more common as more machines can
>> use that much. I think maybe the Apple tech may not have made the
>> connection between the RAM size on your machine and the size of the file,
>> but they do match.
>>>
>>> As for the existence of the sleepimage file - it *will* exist on any
>> machine - laptop or desktop - that has been in hibernate or "deep sleep"
>> state in the past (or since the previous sleepimage file was last deleted).
>> Until I disabled hibernation on my MacBook Pro to save limited space on my
>> SSD drive (same as you reasoning...) I went through a few cycles of
>> deleting the sleepimage file before I was able to nail down the cause of
>> its returning all the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i wasn't trying to "not move on." and i mentioned this is not a laptop,
>> and therefore doesn't hibernate. and that the senior tech at apple
>>>> said it is Not normal for it to be such a big file.
>>>> i was pleasantly surprised that people wanted to help me.
>>>> now, this.
>>>> no one seems to get it, or know the solution.
>>>> so, you attack me?
>>>> i don't do well with confrontation.
>>>> so, i will not engage.
>>>>
>>>> doug
>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~
>> Henri Matisse
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk >
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/10/12 16:55, N.A. Nada wrote:
>>>>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't
>> mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you
>> have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this.
>> We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the
>> sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if
>> you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves
>> all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whilst I agree with all the above, just to be precise it isn't when
>> the
>>>>> system goes into sleep that this happens. It happens when the system
>>>>> hibernates (or safe sleep). See
>>>>>
>>>>> <
>> http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/51725/do-macbooks-have-a-true-hibernate-option
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> for instance to explain the differences. There a are plenty of other
>>>>> articles on the web explaining it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hibernate is not something a desktop would normally need to do (which
>> I
>>>>> gather from one of the OP's numerous other threads on this... he has).
>>>>> Probably that explains why he hasn't seen it before. Something must
>> have
>>>>> happened, or have been done to the machine, to cause it to need to go
>>>>> into this state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we please move on from this. Its normal, and less you want to
>>>>> interfere with the normal operation of your machine, I wouldn't touch
>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>>>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from
>> about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other
>> stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada<whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't
>> see any info on your system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the
>> system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB,
>> to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create
>> large
>>>>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely
>> run
>>>>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without
>> this
>>>>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked
>> me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and
>> all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what
>> someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says
>> (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then
>> double it.
>>>>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things."
>> ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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guess i will have to live with it.
i have already moved my movies, any music, to my internal hard drive.
thanks a bunch, Bill. for a second there, i thought i had it licked.
i won't say anything more on the subject. and i am going to bed. frack it.
ha.
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@
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> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> so, if i may, can i disable hibernation on my iMac? i haven't found it
>> anywhere.
>> glad you recognize how big a difference 17 gigs on a SSD is compared to a
>> 1TB HDD.
>> not that no one else "gets it."
>>
>>
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>
>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri
>> Matisse
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.
>>
>>> Hi Doug;
>>>
>>> The sleepimage file has to be the size of the RAM installed on your
>> system. It may not be "normal" or common for folks to be running systems
>> with 16 gig of RAM (yet), but it will be more common as more machines can
>> use that much. I think maybe the Apple tech may not have made the
>> connection between the RAM size on your machine and the size of the file,
>> but they do match.
>>>
>>> As for the existence of the sleepimage file - it *will* exist on any
>> machine - laptop or desktop - that has been in hibernate or "deep sleep"
>> state in the past (or since the previous sleepimage file was last deleted).
>> Until I disabled hibernation on my MacBook Pro to save limited space on my
>> SSD drive (same as you reasoning...
>> deleting the sleepimage file before I was able to nail down the cause of
>> its returning all the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i wasn't trying to "not move on." and i mentioned this is not a laptop,
>> and therefore doesn't hibernate. and that the senior tech at apple
>>>> said it is Not normal for it to be such a big file.
>>>> i was pleasantly surprised that people wanted to help me.
>>>> now, this.
>>>> no one seems to get it, or know the solution.
>>>> so, you attack me?
>>>> i don't do well with confrontation.
>>>> so, i will not engage.
>>>>
>>>> doug
>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>
>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~
>> Henri Matisse
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/10/12 16:55, N.A. Nada wrote:
>>>>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't
>> mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you
>> have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this.
>> We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the
>> sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if
>> you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves
>> all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whilst I agree with all the above, just to be precise it isn't when
>> the
>>>>> system goes into sleep that this happens. It happens when the system
>>>>> hibernates (or safe sleep). See
>>>>>
>>>>> <
>> http://apple.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> for instance to explain the differences. There a are plenty of other
>>>>> articles on the web explaining it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hibernate is not something a desktop would normally need to do (which
>> I
>>>>> gather from one of the OP's numerous other threads on this... he has).
>>>>> Probably that explains why he hasn't seen it before. Something must
>> have
>>>>> happened, or have been done to the machine, to cause it to need to go
>>>>> into this state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we please move on from this. Its normal, and less you want to
>>>>> interfere with the normal operation of your machine, I wouldn't touch
>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>>>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from
>> about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other
>> stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada<whodo678@comcast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't
>> see any info on your system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the
>> system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB,
>> to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create
>> large
>>>>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely
>> run
>>>>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without
>> this
>>>>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked
>> me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and
>> all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what
>> someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says
>> (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then
>> double it.
>>>>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>>>>
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>> ~ Henri Matisse
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I don't have an iMac, alas!
On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
> so, if i may, can i disable hibernation on my iMac? i haven't found it anywhere.
> glad you recognize how big a difference 17 gigs on a SSD is compared to a 1TB HDD.
> not that no one else "gets it."
>
> doug
> Doug Yelmen
> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>
> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.net > wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug;
>>
>> The sleepimage file has to be the size of the RAM installed on your system. It may not be "normal" or common for folks to be running systems with 16 gig of RAM (yet), but it will be more common as more machines can use that much. I think maybe the Apple tech may not have made the connection between the RAM size on your machine and the size of the file, but they do match.
>>
>> As for the existence of the sleepimage file - it *will* exist on any machine - laptop or desktop - that has been in hibernate or "deep sleep" state in the past (or since the previous sleepimage file was last deleted). Until I disabled hibernation on my MacBook Pro to save limited space on my SSD drive (same as you reasoning...) I went through a few cycles of deleting the sleepimage file before I was able to nail down the cause of its returning all the time.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
>>
>>> i wasn't trying to "not move on." and i mentioned this is not a laptop, and therefore doesn't hibernate. and that the senior tech at apple
>>> said it is Not normal for it to be such a big file.
>>> i was pleasantly surprised that people wanted to help me.
>>> now, this.
>>> no one seems to get it, or know the solution.
>>> so, you attack me?
>>> i don't do well with confrontation.
>>> so, i will not engage.
>>>
>>> doug
>>> Doug Yelmen
>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>
>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 09/10/12 16:55, N.A. Nada wrote:
>>>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this. We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>>>
>>>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>>
>>>> Whilst I agree with all the above, just to be precise it isn't when the
>>>> system goes into sleep that this happens. It happens when the system
>>>> hibernates (or safe sleep). See
>>>>
>>>> <http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/51725/do-macbooks-have-a-true-hibernate-option >
>>>>
>>>> for instance to explain the differences. There a are plenty of other
>>>> articles on the web explaining it.
>>>>
>>>> Hibernate is not something a desktop would normally need to do (which I
>>>> gather from one of the OP's numerous other threads on this... he has).
>>>> Probably that explains why he hasn't seen it before. Something must have
>>>> happened, or have been done to the machine, to cause it to need to go
>>>> into this state.
>>>>
>>>> Can we please move on from this. Its normal, and less you want to
>>>> interfere with the normal operation of your machine, I wouldn't touch it.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>>>
>>>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>>>
>>>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>>>
>>>>> doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada<whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't see any info on your system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB, to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
>>>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
>>>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
>>>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
>>>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
> so, if i may, can i disable hibernation on my iMac? i haven't found it anywhere.
> glad you recognize how big a difference 17 gigs on a SSD is compared to a 1TB HDD.
> not that no one else "gets it."
>
> doug
> Doug Yelmen
> dougyelmen@earthlin
>
> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.
>
>> Hi Doug;
>>
>> The sleepimage file has to be the size of the RAM installed on your system. It may not be "normal" or common for folks to be running systems with 16 gig of RAM (yet), but it will be more common as more machines can use that much. I think maybe the Apple tech may not have made the connection between the RAM size on your machine and the size of the file, but they do match.
>>
>> As for the existence of the sleepimage file - it *will* exist on any machine - laptop or desktop - that has been in hibernate or "deep sleep" state in the past (or since the previous sleepimage file was last deleted). Until I disabled hibernation on my MacBook Pro to save limited space on my SSD drive (same as you reasoning...
>>
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
>>
>>> i wasn't trying to "not move on." and i mentioned this is not a laptop, and therefore doesn't hibernate. and that the senior tech at apple
>>> said it is Not normal for it to be such a big file.
>>> i was pleasantly surprised that people wanted to help me.
>>> now, this.
>>> no one seems to get it, or know the solution.
>>> so, you attack me?
>>> i don't do well with confrontation.
>>> so, i will not engage.
>>>
>>> doug
>>> Doug Yelmen
>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>
>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 09/10/12 16:55, N.A. Nada wrote:
>>>>> You might have mentioned it 50 or 60 posts ago, but you haven't mentioned it recently. And since you keep changing the subject line, you have not mentioned it in this thread, don't expect others to remember this. We're all volunteers, doing this on or time and dime.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go back and read the article that Tim mentioned, it says that the sleepimage will match its size to the amount of RAM your system has. So if you have 16GB of RAM, the sleepimage will be 16GB.
>>>>>
>>>>> The purpose of sleepimage is when your Mac goes to sleep, it saves all the information that is in RAM at that time.
>>>>
>>>> Whilst I agree with all the above, just to be precise it isn't when the
>>>> system goes into sleep that this happens. It happens when the system
>>>> hibernates (or safe sleep). See
>>>>
>>>> <http://apple.
>>>>
>>>> for instance to explain the differences. There a are plenty of other
>>>> articles on the web explaining it.
>>>>
>>>> Hibernate is not something a desktop would normally need to do (which I
>>>> gather from one of the OP's numerous other threads on this... he has).
>>>> Probably that explains why he hasn't seen it before. Something must have
>>>> happened, or have been done to the machine, to cause it to need to go
>>>> into this state.
>>>>
>>>> Can we please move on from this. Its normal, and less you want to
>>>> interfere with the normal operation of your machine, I wouldn't touch it.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>> Look elsewhere to save room on your new HD.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i did mention this earlier. 16 GBs.
>>>>> and it is a 27" iMac (2010).
>>>>>
>>>>> see what bugs me is that it wasn't there a week ago. i went from about 70 gigs of free space to 50 something.
>>>>>
>>>>> some of that was other things. and i got rid of my movies, and other stuff my internal 1TB drive can handle.
>>>>>
>>>>> doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, N.A. Nada<whodo678@comcast.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't see any info on your system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB, to GB. How much RAM does your system have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
>>>>>> files it doesn't need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
>>>>>> needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
>>>>>> out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
>>>>>> before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
>>>>>> useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>>>>>> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
>>>>>>> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
>>>>>>> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
>>>>>>> harrrrrrrrrr.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doug
>>>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>>>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> so, if i may, can i disable hibernation on my iMac? i haven't found it anywhere.
> Doug Yelmen
I realize you may well skip over messages from me, but I said, in a message posted on the 8th:
> There is also a neat little app called SmartSleep at
> <http://www.jinx.de/SmartSleep.html >
> or in the Mac App Store at
> <http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/smartsleep/id407721554?mt=12 >
> that lets you easily set and change this parameter.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Doug Yelmen
I realize you may well skip over messages from me, but I said, in a message posted on the 8th:
> There is also a neat little app called SmartSleep at
> <http://www.jinx.
> or in the Mac App Store at
> <http://itunes.
> that lets you easily set and change this parameter.
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Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
yeah, but a senior tech, no less.
:-)
thanks, Otto.
think i may call them back.
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com > wrote:
> Not the first time that an Apple Genius has been quoted giving bad info.
>
> (HUGE snip.)
>
> Otto
>
> On 11 October 2012 00:06, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, iMac *can* hibernate. Normally they won't, but they can do it, and if
>> they do they will use more than 2GB of sleep image, if they have more than
>> 2GB of ram.
>>
>> Frankly, it seems whoever you spoke to doesn't really know what they are
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thanks, Otto.
think i may call them back.
doug
Doug Yelmen
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On Oct 10, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
> Not the first time that an Apple Genius has been quoted giving bad info.
>
> (HUGE snip.)
>
> Otto
>
> On 11 October 2012 00:06, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.
>
>>
>> Yes, iMac *can* hibernate. Normally they won't, but they can do it, and if
>> they do they will use more than 2GB of sleep image, if they have more than
>> 2GB of ram.
>>
>> Frankly, it seems whoever you spoke to doesn't really know what they are
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