Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Larson
- 1.2.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Larson
- 1.3.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Larson
- 1.4.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.5.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Larson
- 1.6.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.7.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.8.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Larson
- 1.9.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.10.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Jim Saklad
- 1.11.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Jim Saklad
- 1.12.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.13.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Otto Nikolaus
- 1.14.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Alan Fry
- 1.15.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Jim Saklad
- 1.16.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Alan Fry
- 2.1.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Jim Saklad
- 2.2.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Harry Flaxman
- 3a.
- Re: Dashboard From: Oneal Neumann
- 3b.
- Re: Dashboard From: Forrest Leedy
- 3c.
- Re: Dashboard From: Jim Saklad
- 3d.
- Re: Dashboard From: Oneal Neumann
- 3e.
- Re: Dashboard From: Jim Saklad
- 4a.
- Physical system discs From: André Boey
- 4b.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Jim Saklad
Messages
- 1.1.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:20 am (PST)
On 18.01.2012, at 03:20, Barry Austern wrote:
> At 1:58 AM +0100 1/18/12, Larson wrote:
>
>> (…) I just took a look at the British one and I see only
>> disadvantage compared to the U.S. Extended. (…)
>
> I'm American, and use a US keyboard. Where are the thorn and eth keys
> on it?
It is not there. We were not talking about the U.S. keyboard, we were talking about the U.S. Extended keyboard which — as the name indicates — is *extended* and contains thorn and eth.
Show Keyboard Viewer, select U.S. Extended and press the Option key to see lowercase thorn and eth, press Shift+Option to see UPPERCASE eth and thorn.
Anna
- 1.2.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:05 am (PST)
On 18.01.2012, at 12:58, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm a Brit and I have a UK keyboard with UK mapping (but I often play
> with others).
Why do you keep on using UK mapping? What is the advantage compared to U.S. Extended which to me seems to be the most advanced variant for English writing?
> I typed it as 3 dots only because I couldn't remember the key
> combo.
A genuine ellipsis is created by Option + ; on all the English keyboard layouts (whether British, U.S., U.S. Extended or Canadian English).
The difference between three dots and an ellipsis is that the ellipsis is only ONE character whereas the three dots are THREE characters. In electronic writing the dots may split up at the end of a line, like this
..
...
whereas an ellipsis cannot split up (since it is only ONE character). Thus it will always look like this
…
> Anyway, here's 3 dots followed by an
> ellipsis (although surely this *must* have been typed as 3 dots on an
> actual typewriter?).
> ... ...
There is something fishy about this. Your ellipsis comes across as three dots. Are you really sure you typed Option + ;
I'll now type three dots: ...
And this is an ellipsis: …
They *look* identical, but they *behave* differently because the ellipsis is only ONE character. You can easily see the difference if you copy the text and paste it into TextEdit. In TextEdit first place the insertion point before the three dots, then press the right arrow key on your keyboard. The insertion point will move and stop in front of the second dot. Repeat and the cursor will stop in front of the third dot. By the ellipsis, on the other hand, the insertion point will JUMP and stop behind what to the eye looks like the third dot.
>
> What are "thorn" and "eth"?
Þ, þ, Ð, ð
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (letter)Thorn_
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Eth
Thorn and eth are indispensable in good dictionaries, see for example here, right at the beginning:
http://www.etymonline.com/index. php?allowed_ in_frame= 0&search= three&searchmode =none
or
http://woerterbuchnetz.de/DWB/ ?sigle=DWB& mode=Vernetzung& lemid=GD04407
Anna
- 1.3.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:13 am (PST)
On 18.01.2012, at 13:01, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
> The sigma was caused by typing three periods … …
These are not three periods, these are two ellipses. I explained the difference in my previous reply to Otto Nikolaus.
Anna
- 1.4.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:28 am (PST)
On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Larson wrote:
> On 18.01.2012, at 13:01, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
>>
>> The sigma was caused by typing three periods … …
>
>
> These are not three periods, these are two ellipses. I explained the difference in my previous reply to Otto Nikolaus.
My first example. … Was an ellipses. Created by option - ; on the keyboard.
The second, as you quote, … … were created by three periods on my keyboard.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
- 1.5.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:45 am (PST)
Hi Harry,
On 18.01.2012, at 16:28, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
> The second, as you quote, … … were created by three periods on my keyboard.
>
Doing the TextEdit-test I mentioned earlier reveals that these are two ellipses and not six dots or periods. Or did I misunderstand you?
Anna
- 1.6.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:46 am (PST)
On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Larson wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
> On 18.01.2012, at 16:28, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
>
>>
>> The second, as you quote, … … were created by three periods on my keyboard.
>>
>
>
>
> Doing the TextEdit-test I mentioned earlier reveals that these are two ellipses and not six dots or periods. Or did I misunderstand you?
I am entering these as two separately viewable character sets, according to Keyboard Viewer. I have not tried to use TextEdit to do this, but, directly into Mail.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
- 1.7.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:47 am (PST)
On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Larson wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
> On 18.01.2012, at 16:28, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
>
>>
>> The second, as you quote, … … were created by three periods on my keyboard.
>>
>
>
>
> Doing the TextEdit-test I mentioned earlier reveals that these are two ellipses and not six dots or periods. Or did I misunderstand you?
Ah, I see that the default text substitution was turned on here!! I've turned it off.
... ... periods.
… … ellipses.
Is that different?
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
- 1.8.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:55 am (PST)
On 18.01.2012, at 16:47, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>>
>> Doing the TextEdit-test I mentioned earlier reveals that these are two ellipses and not six dots or periods. Or did I misunderstand you?
>
> Ah, I see that the default text substitution was turned on here!! I've turned it off.
>
> ... ... periods.
>
> … … ellipses.
>
> Is that different?
Yes, now everything is correct. :-)
Anna
- 1.9.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:01 am (PST)
On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Larson wrote:
>
> On 18.01.2012, at 16:47, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Doing the TextEdit-test I mentioned earlier reveals that these are two ellipses and not six dots or periods. Or did I misunderstand you?
>>
>> Ah, I see that the default text substitution was turned on here!! I've turned it off.
>>
>> ... ... periods.
>>
>> … … ellipses.
>>
>> Is that different?
>
>
> Yes, now everything is correct. :-)
Text Substitution must have changed in defaults. Prior to this, three periods would be three periods. The mail was coming back from the Yahoo servers with this reflected as a sigma character. Now, it seems to be OK, but somewhere in the interim, Apple must have added the substitution for three periods = ellipses. I wasn't aware of it until I looked just now.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
- 1.10.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:17 am (PST)
>> A few months ago we tried to resolve weird stuff happening when someone used ellipses (...) and I don't think we found a reliable solution.
>
> How the ellipsis travels through the Yahoo mail servers depends on how the message is composed. If the Mail.app is set to 'Mail->Composing->Message Format == Rich Text' the the settings are:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>
> The Yahoo servers then merely pass on the whole base64 encoded string unaltered and if there is an ellipsis in the string the receiving Mail.app sees the hexadecimal string =E2=80=A6 (hexadecimal UTF-8 for 'horizontal ellipsis') and prints … to the screen.
Alan, I'm not going to quote your entire message, which was (1) *highly* educational, and (b) the best analysis I've read to date of this "problem" we've been seeing.
Thank you!
--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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- 1.11.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:25 am (PST)
>>> The sigma was caused by typing three periods … …
>>
>> These are not three periods, these are two ellipses. I explained the difference in my previous reply to Otto Nikolaus.
>
> My first example. … Was an ellipses. Created by option - ; on the keyboard.
> The second, as you quote, … … were created by three periods on my keyboard.
> Harry
Harry -- do you have a "shortcut" or spelling correction that substitutes an ellipsis for 3 typed periods (System Preferences -- Language and Text -- Text)?
--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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- 1.12.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:28 am (PST)
On Jan 18, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>>>> The sigma was caused by typing three periods âˆ' âˆ'
>>>
>>> These are not three periods, these are two ellipses. I explained the difference in my previous reply to Otto Nikolaus.
>>
>> My first example. âˆ' Was an ellipses. Created by option - ; on the keyboard.
>> The second, as you quote, âˆ' âˆ' were created by three periods on my keyboard.
>> Harry
>
> Harry -- do you have a "shortcut" or spelling correction that substitutes an ellipsis for 3 typed periods (System Preferences -- Language and Text -- Text)?
At one point, I didn't. I did not change anything. I did create a substitution of three periods = --- . I took that out. When I looked today, without my intervention, there was such a substitution. I did not create it, nor was it there the last time I looked, months ago. I can't explain it.
I shut it off and got the correct characters for the correct typed characters finally.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
- 1.13.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:04 am (PST)
Anna,
On 18 January 2012 15:05, Larson <pix@maksimo.de > wrote:
>
> Why do you keep on using UK mapping? What is the advantage compared to
> U.S. Extended which to me seems to be the most advanced variant for English
> writing?
>
Because my PowerBook has a UK keyboard and I like the keys to do what's
printed on them? (I suppose I could use different mapping and move the
keycaps to suit but have never felt the need ;) )
>
> A genuine ellipsis is created by Option + ; on all the English keyboard
> layouts (whether British, U.S., U.S. Extended or Canadian English).
>
> The difference between three dots and an ellipsis is that the ellipsis is
> only ONE character whereas the three dots are THREE characters. In
> electronic writing the dots may split up at the end of a line, like this
> ..
> ...
>
>
> whereas an ellipsis cannot split up (since it is only ONE character). Thus
> it will always look like this
>
> …
Thanks, I realise that.
>
> There is something fishy about this. Your ellipsis comes across as three
> dots. Are you really sure you typed Option + ;
>
> I'll now type three dots: ...
> And this is an ellipsis: …
>
> They *look* identical, but they *behave* differently because the ellipsis
> is only ONE character. You can easily see the difference if you copy the
> text and paste it into TextEdit. In TextEdit first place the insertion
> point before the three dots, then press the right arrow key on your
> keyboard. The insertion point will move and stop in front of the second
> dot. Repeat and the cursor will stop in front of the third dot. By the
> ellipsis, on the other hand, the insertion point will JUMP and stop behind
> what to the eye looks like the third dot.
>
Your examples are clearly different even without doing the "jump character"
test. The ellipsis has greater spacing between the dots.
Again,
3 dots ...
Option-; …
Now, again, as I type those, they are clearly different and the same as
yours above.
> Þ, þ, Ð, ð
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (letter)Thorn_
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Eth
>
>
> Thorn and eth are indispensable in good dictionaries, see for example
> here, right at the beginning:
>
>
> http://www.etymonline.com/index. php?allowed_ in_frame= 0&search= three&searchmode =none
>
> or
>
> http://woerterbuchnetz.de/DWB/ ?sigle=DWB& mode=Vernetzung& lemid=GD04407
Thanks.
BTW I use Safari and Gmail webmail for my group messages. Safari is set to
default encoding Unicode (UTF-8).
Otto
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- 1.14.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Alan Fry" ajf@afco.demon.co.uk alanjohnfry
Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:20 am (PST)
On 18 Jan 2012, at 16:17, Jim … wrote:
>>> A few months ago we tried to resolve weird stuff happening when someone used ellipses (...) and I don't think we found a reliable solution.
>>
>> How the ellipsis travels through the Yahoo mail servers depends on how the message is composed. If the Mail.app is set to 'Mail->Composing->Message Format == Rich Text' the the settings are:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>>
>> The Yahoo servers then merely pass on the whole base64 encoded string unaltered and if there is an ellipsis in the string the receiving Mail.app sees the hexadecimal string =E2=80=A6 (hexadecimal UTF-8 for 'horizontal ellipsis') and prints âˆ' to the screen.
>
> Alan, I'm not going to quote your entire message, which was (1) *highly* educational, and (b) the best analysis I've read to date of this "problem" we've been seeing.
Thank you very much for your kind comment, which is much appreciated.
Interestingly, in your reply to the group, as relayed by the Yahoo server, the setting is 'Content-Transfer-Encoding; quoted printable' and in the last line my message above, the original ellipsis is replaced by a Greek Sigma. What I sent was '-- and prints … to the screen' and from your reply I get '-- and prints Σ to the screen'.
That supports the thesis that 'quoted-printable' encoding is the root of the problem with 'high-ascii' characters. It also raises another question; was your reply sent to Yahoo as 'quoted-printable' or was that encoding set by the Yahoo server when it relayed your reply?
Alan Fry
- 1.15.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:48 am (PST)
>> Alan, I'm not going to quote your entire message, which was (1) *highly* educational, and (b) the best analysis I've read to date of this "problem" we've been seeing.
>
> Thank you very much for your kind comment, which is much appreciated.
>
> Interestingly, in your reply to the group, as relayed by the Yahoo server, the setting is 'Content-Transfer-Encoding; quoted printable' and in the last line my message above, the original ellipsis is replaced by a Greek Sigma. What I sent was '-- and prints … to the screen' and from your reply I get '-- and prints Σ to the screen'.
When I received your original message, Mail displayed an ellipsis there.
When I received my reply back, Mail displayed an uppercase sigma.
The line you wrote above is received here with:
"What I sent was '-- and prints <ellipsis> to the screen' and from your reply I get '-- and prints <sigma> to the screen'."
> That supports the thesis that 'quoted-printable' encoding is the root of the problem with 'high-ascii' characters. It also raises another question; was your reply sent to Yahoo as 'quoted-printable' or was that encoding set by the Yahoo server when it relayed your reply?
My defaults are Rich Text and UTF-8
--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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- 1.16.
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Alan Fry" ajf@afco.demon.co.uk alanjohnfry
Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:28 am (PST)
On 18 Jan 2012, at 18:48, Jim Saklad wrote:
> >> Alan, I'm not going to quote your entire message, which was (1) *highly* educational, and (b) the best analysis I've read to date of this "problem" we've been seeing.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your kind comment, which is much appreciated.
> >
> > Interestingly, in your reply to the group, as relayed by the Yahoo server, the setting is 'Content-Transfer-Encoding; quoted printable' and in the last line my message above, the original ellipsis is replaced by a Greek Sigma. What I sent was '-- and prints … to the screen' and from your reply I get '-- and prints Σ to the screen'.
>
> When I received your original message, Mail displayed an ellipsis there.
> When I received my reply back, Mail displayed an uppercase sigma.
> The line you wrote above is received here with:
> "What I sent was '-- and prints <ellipsis> to the screen' and from your reply I get '-- and prints <sigma> to the screen'."
>
> > That supports the thesis that 'quoted-printable' encoding is the root of the problem with 'high-ascii' characters. It also raises another question; was your reply sent to Yahoo as 'quoted-printable' or was that encoding set by the Yahoo server when it relayed your reply?
>
> My defaults are Rich Text and UTF-8
>
Thank you for that clear account. Since your defaults are Rich Text and UTF-8 your reply would certainly have been sent 'base64 encoded'. So either Yahoo, or some mail other mail agent along the way, relayed your reply in the 'quoted-printable' form which is how I received it here. Since my original message (as you received it) was correct I am inclined to the view the culprit was probably not Yahoo but some other mail-agent along the way . We shall never know for sure I think.
Alan Fry
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- 2.1.
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:10 am (PST)
> That said, it turns out, that not only do the later 2011 Macbook Pro's ship without thumb drives, the Recovery Partition is doubly hidden. In one generation of the OS X Lion builds, only the BaseSystem.dmg file is hidden (I won't say Apple hid it, because some folks would find it personally pointing at them), and in the later builds (which fortunately or unfortunately I am in possession of), even the Recovery HD partition is hidden.
>
> So, if you follow the discussion that Harry pointed me to, you'll end up executing the following two commands in Finder.
>
> $ diskutil list
> $ diskutil mount /dev/disk0s3
>
> This gets one to the point of mounting the Recovery HD Volume in Finder, but one is not able to find the BaseSystem.dmg file mentioned in the Apple Discussions Forum. I spent an hour with the Apple engineer over Phone Support, but they did not reveal to me that the file is hidden. They continued to mention that OS X Lion is available as a download using the recovery partition method, using Command + R to fire it up while booting and recommended that one must wait for the download to complete. Add to it, the thumb drives are not available in India yet.
I am happy to use Terminal commands if necessary, but I prefer to find alternate paths.
In this case, very early on in Lion, I activated the Debug menu in Disk Utility. That allowed me to tell DU to List All Disks.
Then I click on the (unmounted) Recovery HD, click on Mount, and look at the desktop to see that Recovery HD is there, ready for me to look at.
I double-click on it, and I see one (1) folder, "com.apple.recovery.boot".
I open that folder, and I see (among other files), "BaseSystem.dmg".
Not invisible.
This is the 400+MB file that I mentioned in an earlier post, when I also noted that the "Install Mac OS X Lion.app" is almost 4 GB (3.76, actually).
So, I find no invisible file, only an invisible partition.
> Anyway, I did a little research at my end, and we need to execute one more command to unhide the BaseSystem.dmg file, for it to show up in the Finder. This is
>
> $ sudo chflags nohidden /Volumes/Recovery\ HD/com.apple.recovery. boot/BaseSystem. dmg
>
> You're asked for the administrator password to the system, and voila, you're done unhiding the file you need. Post that, go ahead and put it up in Disk Utilities, and write it to a memory card, a flash drive or burn it to the disk, just the way you would with the InstallESD.dmg file.
It isn't clear to me why the file is invisible to you but not to me.
And no, I don't expect you to be able answer that question. <grin>
--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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- 2.2.
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:32 am (PST)
On Jan 18, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> I am happy to use Terminal commands if necessary, but I prefer to find alternate paths.
>
> In this case, very early on in Lion, I activated the Debug menu in Disk Utility. That allowed me to tell DU to List All Disks.
>
> Then I click on the (unmounted) Recovery HD, click on Mount, and look at the desktop to see that Recovery HD is there, ready for me to look at.
>
> I double-click on it, and I see one (1) folder, "com.apple.recovery.boot".
> I open that folder, and I see (among other files), "BaseSystem.dmg".
> Not invisible.
>
> This is the 400+MB file that I mentioned in an earlier post, when I also noted that the "Install Mac OS X Lion.app" is almost 4 GB (3.76, actually).
Very cool. Never enabled debug for Disk Utility. It will stay staple now!
Thanks Jim.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
- 3a.
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Re: Dashboard
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:29 am (PST)
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:22 AM, J Masters wrote:
>
> Go to System Preferences > Mission Control
> and uncheck Show Dashboard As A Space
Where is Mission Control in System Preferences?
I have version 7 of SP. Oneal
- 3b.
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Re: Dashboard
Posted by: "Forrest Leedy" f.leedy@comcast.net forrkazu
Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:50 am (PST)
On Jan 18, 2012, at 12:58 AM, Oneal Neumann wrote:
>
>
>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:22 AM, J Masters wrote:
>>
>> Go to System Preferences > Mission Control
>> and uncheck Show Dashboard As A Space
>
>
>
> Where is Mission Control in System Preferences?
> I have version 7 of SP. Oneal
Should be on the first line of system preferences called Personal. It is the third icon over. As far as I know, it has always been there in all versions of Lion.
Forrest
- 3c.
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Re: Dashboard
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:18 am (PST)
>> Go to System Preferences > Mission Control and uncheck Show Dashboard As A Space
>
> Where is Mission Control in System Preferences?
> I have version 7 of SP.
> Oneal
4th item in the top row of icons in System Preferences in Lion.
If you haven't chosen to hide it.
--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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- 3d.
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Re: Dashboard
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:44 am (PST)
> On 2012 January 18 (at 12:50) Forrest Leedy wrote:
>
>> On Jan 18, 2012, at 12:58 AM, Oneal Neumann wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:22 AM, J Masters wrote:
>>>
>>> Go to System Preferences > Mission Control
>>> and uncheck Show Dashboard As A Space
>>
>> Where is Mission Control in System Preferences?
>> I have version 7 of SP. Oneal
>
> Should be on the first line of system preferences called Personal. It is the third icon over. As far as I know, it has always been there in all versions of Lion. Forrest
> On 2012 January 18 (at 13:18) Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>>> Go to System Preferences > Mission Control and uncheck Show Dashboard As A Space
>>
>> Where is Mission Control in System Preferences?
>> I have version 7 of SP. Oneal
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> 4th item in the top row of icons in System Preferences in Lion.
> If you haven't chosen to hide it. Jim Saklad
I run 10.6.8 and on the Personal row I have Dock as the 3rd item and Exposé & Spaces as the 4th item. It seems as though some things have changed with respect to the 10.7 (Lion) OS. Oneal
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Re: Dashboard
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:52 am (PST)
>>> Where is Mission Control in System Preferences?
>>> I have version 7 of SP. Oneal
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>> 4th item in the top row of icons in System Preferences in Lion.
>> If you haven't chosen to hide it. Jim Saklad
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> I run 10.6.8 and on the Personal row I have Dock as the 3rd item and Exposé & Spaces as the 4th item. It seems as though some things have changed with respect to the 10.7 (Lion) OS. Oneal
Er ... yeah.
Lion is a major change from Snow leopard.
Things Are Different.
How long have you been running 10.6.8?
How did you NOT know that Snow Leopard has nothing in it called "Mission Control"?
If the operating system doesn't have an application, it is likely not to have a System Preference to control that application.
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Physical system discs
Posted by: "André Boey" caenaar@together.net purpleborzoi
Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:49 pm (PST)
Is it true that new Macs with Lion preinstalled no longer ship with a physical system disc? If so, I'm guessing it's possible to burn one from the Recovery partition? You know, in case one has to replace or reformat the hard drive.
Andre
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:44 pm (PST)
> Is it true that new Macs with Lion preinstalled no longer ship with a physical system disc? If so, I'm guessing it's possible to burn one from the Recovery partition? You know, in case one has to replace or reformat the hard drive.
> Andre
It certainly would be possible to make a bootable clone backup of the hard drive that one could use until the drive was replaced or reformatted.
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