Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: Physical system discs From: hester
- 1.2.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.3.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.4.
- Re: Physical system discs From: André Boey
- 1.5.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Otto Nikolaus
- 1.6.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Jim Saklad
- 1.7.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Jim Saklad
- 1.8.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Jim Saklad
- 1.9.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Jim Saklad
- 1.10.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Jim Saklad
- 1.11.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.12.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Jim Saklad
- 2a.
- Lion on Disk? From: Lynne
- 2b.
- Re: Lion on Disk? From: Harry Flaxman
- 2c.
- Re: Lion on Disk? From: Denver Dan
- 2d.
- Re: Lion on Disk? From: Jim Smith
- 2e.
- Re: Lion on Disk? From: Arjun Singhal
- 2f.
- Re: Lion on Disk? From: Jim Saklad
- 3a.
- Re: ID theft From: Michael P. Stupinski
- 3b.
- Re: ID theft From: Blaine Gordon
- 3c.
- Re: ID theft From: Harry Flaxman
- 4a.
- Re: Replace Ventura Publisher From: Jurgen Richter
- 4b.
- Re: Replace Ventura Publisher From: Josephine Bacon
- 5.
- No gift cards From: BLAINE GORDON
- 6.
- Installing Lion on a new disk in a Mac Pro From: Alan Fry
Messages
- 1.1.
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "hester" dhreik@gmail.com drhester_06107
Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:26 am (PST)
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@com ...> wrote:
> I can't understand why *every* Mac user doesn't have a bootable clone. It's
> so easy, using either SD or CCC, and has so many advantages for so little
> cost.
>
> Otto
>
Otto,
Most people (myself included) don't really understand what's happening with their macs. I have a small external HD and SD which backs up weekly. But honestly, I'd need help doing a restore. Most users are like me. I have several friends/family who use macs and I'm the only one who backs up and I have no idea what I'm doing. Just saying'
hester
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:54 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> On 20 January 2012 10:13, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>>
>> Right! I do the same. I hade SD update every 12 hours. Pretty quick and
>> easy. I prefer this rather than every day or two as the smart update takes
>> longer. I have used a SD recovery card created with Lion Diskmaker to do a
>> clean install of 10.7.2, and then have migrated back from the clone.
>>
>> Works rather well. I have made a recovery thumb drive as a backup with
>> Apple's utility, just in case.
>>
>> I do notice that if I've recovered by just using SuperDuper to erase and
>> copy back from the clone, the original recovery partition seems to 'go
>> away'. This is a nuisance, thus my use of redundancy in having a way to
>> recover should I lose everything!
>>
>
> I can't understand why *every* Mac user doesn't have a bootable clone. It's
> so easy, using either SD or CCC, and has so many advantages for so little
> cost.
>
> Otto
My feelings exactly, Otto.
I used to run a Time Machine backup in conjunction with my SD clone, however, I found it really used too much disk space, regardless of cost. I always seemed to find a 'better' use of disk space than a Time Machine backup.
True too, that I had an exact, bootable copy of my system, including registered, running applications.
Always seemed so much easier to keep this than a Time Machine backup as well.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:56 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, hester wrote:
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@com ...> wrote:
>
>> I can't understand why *every* Mac user doesn't have a bootable clone. It's
>> so easy, using either SD or CCC, and has so many advantages for so little
>> cost.
>>
>> Otto
>>
>
> Otto,
> Most people (myself included) don't really understand what's happening with their macs. I have a small external HD and SD which backs up weekly. But honestly, I'd need help doing a restore. Most users are like me. I have several friends/family who use macs and I'm the only one who backs up and I have no idea what I'm doing. Just saying'
>
> hester
The concepts are pretty simple, Hester.
It takes performing the actions of having to restore, or migrate back, in order to really grasp the physical deed and how and why to keep such backups.
I am the type of person that would perform the action(s) just to learn about them. But then again, that's how I initially got a job working on the machines, many, many years ago. I was self-taught, which was really the only way back in those days. The days of the Altair and older, 'clunkier', not user friendly days.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "André Boey" caenaar@together.net purpleborzoi
Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:02 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com wrote:
> Correct. In fact, there are no OEM "system disks" of any kind for
> Lion available anywhere. It is only available via download or on a
> USB flash drive.
>
> Article: Apple offers a tool to create an OS X Lion recovery/
> installation external drive
> http://is.gd/jO8po4
>
> OS X Lion: About Lion Recovery Disk Assistant
> http://support.apple.com/ kb/HT4848
>
> Download Lion Recovery Disk Assistant:
> http://support.apple.com/ kb/DL1433
Thank you, Randy. Succinct and useful as always.
However, Harry brought up another salient point:
On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net wrote:
> Using the resultant partition/device that this creates still necessitates downloading the main portion of Lion from Apple. This is true of the recovery partition as well. See;
>
> http://support.apple.com/ kb/HT4718
>
> This is why I prefer creating a 4gb disc/card/drive using Lion Diskmaker. Everything is on the image that is created, and nothing must be downloaded.
>
> Lion Diskmaker:
>
> http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
This is the route I'll have to take because I probably won't have reliable network or broadband access where I'm going.
Thanks to all for the replies.
Andre
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:49 am (PST)
On 20 January 2012 13:56, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net > wrote:
>
> The concepts are pretty simple, Hester.
>
> It takes performing the actions of having to restore, or migrate back, in
> order to really grasp the physical deed and how and why to keep such
> backups.
>
> I am the type of person that would perform the action(s) just to learn
> about them. But then again, that's how I initially got a job working on
> the machines, many, many years ago. I was self-taught, which was really
> the only way back in those days. The days of the Altair and older,
> 'clunkier', not user friendly days.
>
>
Hester,
It's not just Macs; it's all computers, although IMO Mac users have better
and simpler ways of doing this.
Do you need more basic help? It's actually very simple once you get the
basics. Sadly, we find that too many (still!) find themselves with a total
loss of data (messages, photos, documents, etc.) when they could have
avoided this at little cost and effort.
Otto
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:57 am (PST)
> However, Harry brought up another salient point:
>
>> Using the resultant partition/device that this creates still necessitates downloading the main portion of Lion from Apple. This is true of the recovery partition as well. See;
>>
>> http://support.apple.com/ kb/HT4718
This was pooh-pooh'd or flatly ignored when I pointed it out several days ago....
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- 1.7.
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:01 am (PST)
>>> not having the discs / thumb drive can really be very very frustrating indeed.
>>> its the first time in the history of apple that apple has taken such a drastic step back from the way the world accepts usability of software.
>>
>> Hardly.
>>
>> They "stepped back" form the command line interface in 1984.
>>
>> They "stepped back" from the mandatory floppy drive in 1998.
>>
>> They "stepped back" from the mandatory optical drive in 2008.
>>
>> Apple is *KNOWN* for changing paradigms in computing. They've done it again.
>
> Yeah, I really miss SCSI voodoo! NOT!
Thanks for reminding me!
Slide this in between the floppy line and the CD line above:
They "stepped back" from SCSI connectivity in 2000.
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- 1.8.
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:04 am (PST)
> If your aim is to get Lion in the first place, why just get a USB from Apple to start with.
> Either from a local Apple store
Did you miss the datum that the Indian subcontinent lacks Apple Stores?
> or order one online from the Apple site, e.g.
> http://store.apple.com/ us/product/ MD256Z/A
> $69, much cheaper than the $250 you claim you are spending to download it ;)
And you know he can do that from India...?
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- 1.9.
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:08 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Arjun Singhal rambled on and on about his problems in India:
> numbers speak for themselves
Yes, they do.
And perhaps when tens of millions of your colleagues lobby your government, laws will get written or repealed, and India will move into the 21st century.
But haranguing this forum won't help with that.
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:11 am (PST)
> I do notice that if I've recovered by just using SuperDuper to erase and copy back from the clone, the original recovery partition seems to 'go away'.
> Harry
How do you determine that it's gone?
It doesn't happen here, unless I actively re-partition the drive that has the Recovery Partition.
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:16 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> I do notice that if I've recovered by just using SuperDuper to erase and copy back from the clone, the original recovery partition seems to 'go away'.
>> Harry
>
> How do you determine that it's gone?
> It doesn't happen here, unless I actively re-partition the drive that has the Recovery Partition.
I did enable the developer menu in Disk Utility, and I didn't see it at that point. Nothing would recognize that it was still there, software wise.
I'm not doubting you, I just would not know how to 're-hook' the partition to the appropriate software tools involved.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
- 1.12.
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:40 am (PST)
>> numbers speak for themselves
>
> Yes, they do.
> And perhaps when tens of millions of your colleagues lobby your government, laws will get written or repealed, and India will move into the 21st century.
Oddly enough, within minutes of sending the above note, I encountered this:
> Apple could open its first retail stores in India, the second most populous country in the world, now that the government allows full ownership of single-brand retail stores by foreign companies.
>
> Citing a senior official in India's Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion, livemint.com reported this week (via iPhoneHacks) that Apple has been in discussions with the government for some time to bring its retail stores to India. The company previously attempted to open a technical support center in India in 2006, but eventually backed off those plans.
>
> Now that the policy change has occurred, though, the unnamed official said "the doors are now open" for Apple to bring its highly successful retail stores to India.
>
> Though there are not currently any Apple stores in India, the iPhone maker does have reseller deals with chains like Imagine and iStore. Most of Apple's retail stores are in the U.S., though it has expanded in recent years the U.K., France, Germany, Japan and China.
<http://www.appleinsider.com/ >articles/ 12/01/20/ doors_are_ now_open_ for_apple_ to_expand_ retail_presence_ into_india. html
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
- 2a.
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Lion on Disk?
Posted by: "Lynne" spock26@verizon.net lynnespock
Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:34 am (PST)
Can you create an installation/startup disk for Lion? If so, how?
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Re: Lion on Disk?
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:59 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Lynne wrote:
> Can you create an installation/startup disk for Lion? If so, how?
Sure, see the tread entitled 'Apple OS X Re-install'.
It's a fairly simple procedure using the free utility 'Lion DiskMaker'. http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
The site pretty much has instructions on how to do just this, make an installation/startup disc for Lion.
Feel free to peruse the list, as well as ask if it isn't here already
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Lion on Disk?
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:24 am (PST)
Howdy.
Lynn, there are multiple ways to do this.
We've just had a lengthy discussion here with approximately 60 posts on
exactly this topic. Read through them for some good ideas.
1. You can make a Lion boot/install DVD disc AFTER you download Lion
the first time but BEFORE it is actually installed. Does it with the
downloaded disk image file.
2. You can make a Lion boot partition on a 2nd HD, and/or on a flash
USB drive. See Lion Recovery Disk Assistant which you can download from
Apple (free).
Denver Dan
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:34:42 +0000, Lynne wrote:
> Can you create an installation/startup disk for Lion? If so, how?
>
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Re: Lion on Disk?
Posted by: "Jim Smith" jas1931@gmail.com jimmacsmith
Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:51 am (PST)
Can a Lion startup/recovery disk be made on my system?
Lion was pre-installed on my iMac. I am on a cell MiFi hotspot so downloading something larger than a few MB is just not possible. A few days ago I attempted to dl a 175MB, after 4 hours, and 80MB, it failed.
Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.com
On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Lynn, there are multiple ways to do this.
>
> We've just had a lengthy discussion here with approximately 60 posts on
> exactly this topic. Read through them for some good ideas.
>
> 1. You can make a Lion boot/install DVD disc AFTER you download Lion
> the first time but BEFORE it is actually installed. Does it with the
> downloaded disk image file.
>
> 2. You can make a Lion boot partition on a 2nd HD, and/or on a flash
> USB drive. See Lion Recovery Disk Assistant which you can download from
> Apple (free).
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:34:42 +0000, Lynne wrote:
>> Can you create an installation/startup disk for Lion? If so, how?
>>
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Re: Lion on Disk?
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:34 am (PST)
Hi to all
Its not that I am glad in any manner.
But this is just exactly what I was also hinting. On one side of things - we are talking about going wireless, and increasing use of mobile technology. And other side, we don't want to consider that not every one has similar access to the internet, server mirrors as is available in the US. When google built google.com - they made sure the site opened lightning fast, no matter what the speed of internet access was. That's what made their site popular to use. Yahoo! failed here. Same goes for Facebook - if someone knows what facebook lite was - it was not an extra service they offered - it was a move to include the larger group of people
I don't think Jim is from India. And I can perfectly relate to his problem, since I often use the internet using Edge when I go into the interiors of the country, and that provides me with the best possible speed of about 28.8 kbps. Its good enough to browse google, and most forums, but not good enough to download Lion. And if you are not a geek, who understands the need for an SD backup of Lion before things come down heavy on you - your work days are at complete risk.
I haven't seen one presentation of Steve Jobs, or any of apples employees, where they want to say, "we want to build technology only for Americans who have lightning fast access to the internet". It's always a case of growing markets, and markets will grow if you think about all the people who're using your products.
If you create products that are not usable by one group of people, someone else will provide the product that completes the space. And that's exactly where MySpace lost when facebook came in, that's exactly where Yahoo! lost when Google came in. And that's exactly where Motorola lost when Intel came in.
You neglect one group of people and their interests, and your strategy can take a setback.
I know I have been pointed at for being over enthusiastic in my "trolls" and someone wanted to bloat my work into "a social networking site", but i only try to contribute selflessly into making technology usable for all. I am a lot younger than most of you, but I've traveled and explored the world. Worked with large and small teams, in large and small organizations, seen people who are fortunate enough to have different sets of personal secretaries for office, work and pleasure, and also worked with homeless workers who labour a day's work to afford a square meal. The world has seen its economic cycles. There are no industries that created luxury products and survived from one economic depression until the next and beyond, but yes, there are people whose legacy has gone beyond economic depressions - and thats because their legacy was established over delivering real solutions that included everyone, not a just a "trending list". If this provokes thoughts in you, maybe you'd understand what i mean when I say social media.
Regards,
Arjun
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Jim Smith <jas1931@gmail.com >
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Lion on Disk?
> Date: 20 January 2012 9:21:51 PM GMT+05:30
> To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
> Reply-To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
>
> Can a Lion startup/recovery disk be made on my system?
>
> Lion was pre-installed on my iMac. I am on a cell MiFi hotspot so downloading something larger than a few MB is just not possible. A few days ago I attempted to dl a 175MB, after 4 hours, and 80MB, it failed.
>
> Jim Smith
> www.rvcarelogbook.com
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
> > Howdy.
> >
> > Lynn, there are multiple ways to do this.
> >
> > We've just had a lengthy discussion here with approximately 60 posts on
> > exactly this topic. Read through them for some good ideas.
> >
> > 1. You can make a Lion boot/install DVD disc AFTER you download Lion
> > the first time but BEFORE it is actually installed. Does it with the
> > downloaded disk image file.
> >
> > 2. You can make a Lion boot partition on a 2nd HD, and/or on a flash
> > USB drive. See Lion Recovery Disk Assistant which you can download from
> > Apple (free).
> >
> > Denver Dan
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:34:42 +0000, Lynne wrote:
> >> Can you create an installation/startup disk for Lion? If so, how?
> >>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Re: Lion on Disk?
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:20 am (PST)
This may only work in the USA, but:
<http://store.apple.com/ >us/product/ MD256Z/A
-- From my iPad --
> Can a Lion startup/recovery disk be made on my system?
>
> Lion was pre-installed on my iMac. I am on a cell MiFi hotspot so downloading something larger than a few MB is just not possible. A few days ago I attempted to dl a 175MB, after 4 hours, and 80MB, it failed.
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Re: ID theft
Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net mstupinski
Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:49 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Michael P. Stupinski wrote:
>
>> That's interesting, because a couple of years ago I tried to use a
>> MasterCard gift card at the Apple Store (bricks & mortar store) and
>> was told they couldn't accept it because my name wasn't imprinted
>> on it.
>>
>> ...........Mike
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Blaine Gordon wrote:
>>
>>> I am one of the victims of ID theft. It was on the news that tablets
>>> and phones were the easiest for hackers to hack. My stolen debit
>>> card was only used to make purchases through the Apple store. I
>>> emailed billing and the charges where removed. My bank was also
>>> notified and they cancelled my debit card and reissued a new one.
>>> The interesting thing is that Apple suggested that I not use a
>>> credit or debit card but instead buy myself gift cards to handle my
>>> purchases. They are readily available at most grocery stores and
>>> Walmart. I have been doing this for a while and haven't had any
>>> unexpected large purchases anywhere. It is likely that 99.percent of
>>> users on Apple are safe but for the 1 percent like me, gift
>>> cards.are a good solution.
>>> Blaine Gordon
>>>
>>>
>
> They're very careful about identity. Try to pick up any hardware
> either after repair, or ordered for sale and picking up, without
> ID. Can't and won't happen, unless you have the repair order, or a
> printed receipt, and THEN, even so.
>
> Harry
>
>
> Harry Flaxman
> harry.flaxman@comcast.net
>
I understand that Harry (although MY identity wasn't in question, as I
had my regular credit cards as well as photo ID), but what struck me
was the stated recommendation by Apple that Blaine should buy himself
gift cards to handle his purchases. There is no name imprinted on
purchased gift cards. That is inconsistent with them denying use of
such a card by me. In fact, Apple gift cards don't bear the holder's
name, either.
............Mike
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Re: ID theft
Posted by: "Blaine Gordon" blainegordon@ymail.com blainegordon@ymail.com
Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:10 am (PST)
The theft was done online. It is very possible they got my debit card elsewhere and got enough info to order online at Apple. I got a new debit card and am using it at the Apple websites. Gift cards work but who likes to scratch and enter a bunch of codes. I am hoping I am in the 99 percent safe group this time around. I did change all my passwords to strong ones. It was never my intention to suggest everyone use gift cards. Just me.
Blaine Gordon
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:49 AM, "Michael P. Stupinski" <mpstupinski@snet.net > wrote:
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
> > On Jan 19, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Michael P. Stupinski wrote:
> >
> >> That's interesting, because a couple of years ago I tried to use a
> >> MasterCard gift card at the Apple Store (bricks & mortar store) and
> >> was told they couldn't accept it because my name wasn't imprinted
> >> on it.
> >>
> >> ...........Mike
> >>
> >> On Jan 17, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Blaine Gordon wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am one of the victims of ID theft. It was on the news that tablets
> >>> and phones were the easiest for hackers to hack. My stolen debit
> >>> card was only used to make purchases through the Apple stor
> >>> emailed billing and the charges where removed. My bank was also
> >>> notified and they cancelled my debit card and reissued a new one.
> >>> The interesting thing is that Apple suggested that I not use a
> >>> credit or debit card but instead buy myself gift cards to handle my
> >>> purchases. They are readily available at most grocery stores and
> >>> Walmart. I have been doing this for a while and haven't had any
> >>> unexpected large purchases anywhere. It is likely that 99.percent of
> >>> users on Apple are safe but for the 1 percent like me, gift
> >>> cards.are a good solution.
> >>> Blaine Gordon
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > They're very careful about identity. Try to pick up any hardware
> > either after repair, or ordered for sale and picking up, without
> > ID. Can't and won't happen, unless you have the repair order, or a
> > printed receipt, and THEN, even so.
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> > Harry Flaxman
> > harry.flaxman@comcast.net
> >
>
> I understand that Harry (although MY identity wasn't in question, as I
> had my regular credit cards as well as photo ID), but what struck me
> was the stated recommendation by Apple that Blaine should buy himself
> gift cards to handle his purchases. There is no name imprinted on
> purchased gift cards. That is inconsistent with them denying use of
> such a card by me. In fact, Apple gift cards don't bear the holder's
> name, either.
>
> ............Mike
>
>
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Re: ID theft
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:13 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Michael P. Stupinski wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
>> On Jan 19, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Michael P. Stupinski wrote:
>>
>>> That's interesting, because a couple of years ago I tried to use a
>>> MasterCard gift card at the Apple Store (bricks & mortar store) and
>>> was told they couldn't accept it because my name wasn't imprinted
>>> on it.
>>>
>>> ...........Mike
>>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Blaine Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am one of the victims of ID theft. It was on the news that tablets
>>>> and phones were the easiest for hackers to hack. My stolen debit
>>>> card was only used to make purchases through the Apple store. I
>>>> emailed billing and the charges where removed. My bank was also
>>>> notified and they cancelled my debit card and reissued a new one.
>>>> The interesting thing is that Apple suggested that I not use a
>>>> credit or debit card but instead buy myself gift cards to handle my
>>>> purchases. They are readily available at most grocery stores and
>>>> Walmart. I have been doing this for a while and haven't had any
>>>> unexpected large purchases anywhere. It is likely that 99.percent of
>>>> users on Apple are safe but for the 1 percent like me, gift
>>>> cards.are a good solution.
>>>> Blaine Gordon
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> They're very careful about identity. Try to pick up any hardware
>> either after repair, or ordered for sale and picking up, without
>> ID. Can't and won't happen, unless you have the repair order, or a
>> printed receipt, and THEN, even so.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>> Harry Flaxman
>> harry.flaxman@comcast.net
>>
>
>
> I understand that Harry (although MY identity wasn't in question, as I
> had my regular credit cards as well as photo ID), but what struck me
> was the stated recommendation by Apple that Blaine should buy himself
> gift cards to handle his purchases. There is no name imprinted on
> purchased gift cards. That is inconsistent with them denying use of
> such a card by me. In fact, Apple gift cards don't bear the holder's
> name, either.
>
> ............Mike
You're absolutely right, Mike. It seems like a double standard to me, on Apple's part.
I've never run into this, but I'll surely keep an eye out for such behavior now.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
- 4a.
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Re: Replace Ventura Publisher
Posted by: "Jurgen Richter" yahoo-1@sympatico.ca epsongroups
Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:54 am (PST)
Josephine is correct in a generic sense that ANY program you might use
can create a PDF from the Print menu....
Not sure if anything has changed with Lion, but under SnowLeopard my
only options for possible commercial printing-grade PDFs under the PDF
dropdown are:
Save as PDF
Save as Adobe PDF
Save as PDF-X
... among a few other options listed.
Adobe PDF would seem to be of some standard, but what version is this?
Hi Res, Low Res, Printer Quality, Offset Printing Quality....
That is important to know and to be able to set. Not all PDFs are
created equal, and what looks fine in Acrobat does not always look the
same in Preview and vice versa.
What the problem is, is that there are many flavors of PDF and printers
have as many different PDF setups as far as image resolution, font
handling, color conversion, ICC profile handling, crop marks, other
printer's marks, trapping, overprints, etc., just to name a few.
I have not found a preferences or settings panel that allows me to
change any of these characteristics under the Print menu, and that would
be important to do in order to produce a PDF to any particular Printer's
specifications.
Perhaps someone smarter than me has found such a preferences panel and
could enlighten us.
These sort of issues do not arise when "Saving as... PDF" or Exporting a
file from an Adobe Suite application such as InDesign.
However, if one chooses the "Save as PostScript" option from the print
menu, then one can have that control when using Acrobat Distiller to
then create the desired PDF. Even Quark has issues with its PDF engine,
so when I have to generate PDFs from Quark, I save those files as
PostScript files and "distill" with Acrobat Distiller to the format(s)
required at the time.... This has an advantage: you can create a Low Res
proof file as well as a High Res printer-grade file from the same base
file without having to it all over again....
I hope this helps some, but if this is getting too technical in nature,
I can take it off-list....
- 4b.
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Re: Replace Ventura Publisher
Posted by: "Josephine Bacon" bacon@langservice.com baconandeggs_2001
Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:59 am (PST)
There is also the matter of embedding fonts in the pdf, otherwise the
printer will have to find the fonts used.
Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations
197 Kings Cross Road
London WC1X 9DB
Tel: 020 7 278 9490
On 20 Jan 2012, at 15:54, Jurgen Richter wrote:
> Josephine is correct in a generic sense that ANY program you might use
> can create a PDF from the Print menu....
>
> Not sure if anything has changed with Lion, but under SnowLeopard my
> only options for possible commercial printing-grade PDFs under the PDF
> dropdown are:
> Save as PDF
> Save as Adobe PDF
> Save as PDF-X
> ... among a few other options listed.
>
> Adobe PDF would seem to be of some standard, but what version is this?
> Hi Res, Low Res, Printer Quality, Offset Printing Quality....
> That is important to know and to be able to set. Not all PDFs are
> created equal, and what looks fine in Acrobat does not always look the
> same in Preview and vice versa.
>
> What the problem is, is that there are many flavors of PDF and
> printers
> have as many different PDF setups as far as image resolution, font
> handling, color conversion, ICC profile handling, crop marks, other
> printer's marks, trapping, overprints, etc., just to name a few.
>
> I have not found a preferences or settings panel that allows me to
> change any of these characteristics under the Print menu, and that
> would
> be important to do in order to produce a PDF to any particular
> Printer's
> specifications.
> Perhaps someone smarter than me has found such a preferences panel and
> could enlighten us.
>
> These sort of issues do not arise when "Saving as... PDF" or
> Exporting a
> file from an Adobe Suite application such as InDesign.
>
> However, if one chooses the "Save as PostScript" option from the print
> menu, then one can have that control when using Acrobat Distiller to
> then create the desired PDF. Even Quark has issues with its PDF
> engine,
> so when I have to generate PDFs from Quark, I save those files as
> PostScript files and "distill" with Acrobat Distiller to the format(s)
> required at the time.... This has an advantage: you can create a Low
> Res
> proof file as well as a High Res printer-grade file from the same base
> file without having to it all over again....
>
> I hope this helps some, but if this is getting too technical in
> nature,
> I can take it off-list....
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
- 5.
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No gift cards
Posted by: "BLAINE GORDON" blainegordon@ymail.com blainegordon@ymail.com
Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:34 am (PST)
I agree with the safety of Apple and I tried to use gift cards as the idiot
at applecare told me but I didn¹t like scraping and entering. I have a new
debit card and new passwords and everything else has been canceled. I use
the new debit card at the various websites. One nice fallout of the gift
card fiasco is that I have a nice credit balance with Apple. As little as I
purchase, it will last a long time. Hmmm... Maybe I will get the new
Springsteen album from iTunes after all.
Cheers,
Blaine Gordon
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
- 6.
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Installing Lion on a new disk in a Mac Pro
Posted by: "Alan Fry" ajf@afco.demon.co.uk alanjohnfry
Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:36 am (PST)
What I hoping to do is put an additional new HDD in one of the bays of a Mac Pro and install Lion on that. Effectively I hope to create two independent machines, the existing HDD with Snow Leopard installed and the other HDD with Lion installed, so that it will be possible to boot into either one OS or the other.
I have a copy of 'Install Mac OS Lion.app' on the SnowLeopard disk in ./Applications (and also saved to a thumb drive). If I run 'Install Mac OS Lion.app' from the SnowLeopard disk does it give me the option to install the Lion system on the new HDD? Or should I extract 'InstallESD.dmg' from the install application' s package, put that on a thumb drive (with a GUID partition I believe?) and use that? Presumably that would provide an option to choose the HDD target?
What I am trying to avoid is upgrading the SnowLeopard disk at the moment. I am nervous of starting up the 'Install Mac OS Lion.app' and finding too late, that I have launched an unstoppable process of updating the very disk I want to keep untouched.
I don't think exactly this question has been asked here before, but my apologies if it has and I have missed it.
Alan Fry
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