Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Not arranging by name From: Tod Hopkins
- 1b.
- Re: Not arranging by name From: Jim Saklad
- 1c.
- Re: Not arranging by name From: Tod Hopkins
- 1d.
- Re: Not arranging by name From: Jim Saklad
- 1e.
- Re: Not arranging by name From: Tod Hopkins
- 1f.
- Re: Not arranging by name From: Jim Saklad
- 2a.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Dane Robison
- 2b.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Jay Abraham
- 2c.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Tim O'Donoghue
- 2d.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Jim Saklad
- 2e.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Dane Robison
- 2f.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Dane Robison
- 2g.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Jim Saklad
- 3a.
- Backup disk is full From: DaveC
- 3b.
- Re: Backup disk is full From: Tod Hopkins
- 3c.
- Re: Backup disk is full From: Harry Flaxman
- 4a.
- Re: Blowout quarter for Apple From: Jim Saklad
- 4b.
- Re: Blowout quarter for Apple From: OBrien
- 4c.
- Re: Blowout quarter for Apple From: Jim Saklad
- 4d.
- Re: Blowout quarter for Apple From: Ardell Faul
- 4e.
- Re: Blowout quarter for Apple From: OBrien
- 4f.
- Re: Blowout quarter for Apple From: Tim O'Donoghue
- 5a.
- Re: Bluetooth in App Folder, BUT will not run suddenly today. From: HAL9000
- 6a.
- Re: safari is slow From: Oneal Neumann
- 6b.
- Re: safari is slow From: Jim Saklad
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Re: Not arranging by name
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:31 am (PST)
Arrange by Name (and all other "Arrange" functions) applies to arranging icons, not to files in "list" views. List views are controlled by column sorting. To sort by name, click the Name column. Click the date column to sort by date. And so on...
tod
On Jan 27, 2012, at 12:09 AM, jayant m wrote:
> I have "Arrange by Name" enabled but the order is not by name. ls in a terminal window works fine; it's only in the Finder window that things don't work. I repaired all the permissions so that is not the problem. Any ideas, or even better, solutions?
>
> Thanks
> JM
>
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Not arranging by name
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:05 am (PST)
> Arrange by Name (and all other "Arrange" functions) applies to arranging icons, not to files in "list" views.
"Arrange by" changes the display for me, in Lion, whether I am using Icon View, List View, or Column View.
I don't *fully* understand the differences between "Arrange By" and "Sort By"
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Re: Not arranging by name
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:33 am (PST)
Both functions "sort." I believe Apple uses the word Arrange for icons because this functions also "arranges" the icons spatially in addition to sorting them on selected parameter.
Cheers,
tod
On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> > Arrange by Name (and all other "Arrange" functions) applies to arranging icons, not to files in "list" views.
>
> "Arrange by" changes the display for me, in Lion, whether I am using Icon View, List View, or Column View.
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> I don't *fully* understand the differences between "Arrange By" and "Sort By"
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Tod Hopkins
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Re: Not arranging by name
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:38 am (PST)
>>> Arrange by Name (and all other "Arrange" functions) applies to arranging icons, not to files in "list" views.
>>
>> "Arrange by" changes the display for me, in Lion, whether I am using Icon View, List View, or Column View.
>>
>> I don't *fully* understand the differences between "Arrange By" and "Sort By"
>
> Both functions "sort." I believe Apple uses the word Arrange for icons because this functions also "arranges" the icons spatially in addition to sorting them on selected parameter.
However, as noted, "Arrange By" works for column, list, and icon display modes.
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Re: Not arranging by name
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:42 am (PST)
Why so it does. I was not paying close enough attention. Should have questioned my presumption. And I should also add that "sort" was my word, not Apple's. Finder does not use the word "sort" as far as I can see. I was referring to clicking on the list headers.
So totally unhelpful. Not sure why your finder views are not sorting. Have you tried clicking on the column headers in list view to sort?
Cheers,
tod
On Jan 27, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> >>> Arrange by Name (and all other "Arrange" functions) applies to arranging icons, not to files in "list" views.
> >>
> >> "Arrange by" changes the display for me, in Lion, whether I am using Icon View, List View, or Column View.
> >>
> >> I don't *fully* understand the differences between "Arrange By" and "Sort By"
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> >
> > Both functions "sort." I believe Apple uses the word Arrange for icons because this functions also "arranges" the icons spatially in addition to sorting them on selected parameter.
>
> However, as noted, "Arrange By" works for column, list, and icon display modes.
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Tod Hopkins
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Re: Not arranging by name
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:03 pm (PST)
> Why so it does. I was not paying close enough attention. Should have questioned my presumption. And I should also add that "sort" was my word, not Apple's. Finder does not use the word "sort" as far as I can see.
"Sort" comes from Menu -- View -- Show View Options when in a Finder window.
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com macdane1
Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:47 am (PST)
On Jan 22, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> I think the same rule of letting your iPad 2 battery run all the
>> way down and give it a recharge once a month applies just like the
>> MBP. When I bought it, it said the battery would last 10 days.
>
> Whoever told you that was giving you grossly misleading information.
>
> If you use it heavily, it may not last 10 hours.
> If you shut it off and don't use it, the battery will last a lot
> longer than that.
Sorry to drag this up again, but I'm having some frustrating iPad2
battery concerns. In fact, it's not much of a stretch to say that I
find the iPad2 almost useless due to the combined impacts of short
battery life and long charging times.
The only thing specific I have to go on right now is that I fully
charged it, put it to sleep, and left it alone for 48 hours. Upon
waking, I have 45% battery showing. Some quick googling has given me a
bunch of silly ideas: Turn off wifi! Turn off 3G! Stop syncing with
the cloud! It seems to me that once you stop doing the things people
say to stop doing, you don't really have an iPad anymore...just a sexy
paperweight.
I have the 3G model but have never used 3G. I rely on wifi and will
not turn it off. I sync contacts, etc., because it's useless to me if
I don't.
The one possibly useful tip I found was to "fully" close applications
I'm not using. Apparently, the multitasking capability under recent
iOS versions can lead to apps running down the battery in the
background? I was advised to double-click the home button to see the
list of recently used apps, then tap-and-hold one until they shake.
Finally, tap the minus sign in the corner of the app icon to fully
close it.
What I found was about a million apps in that "drawer" -- pretty much
every app I've ever used. I performed the steps above, closing every
single one, then put the iPad back to sleep and will wait to see what
happens over the next 24-48 hours. I wonder, though, if those apps I
just "minused out of" were really running in the background? My
suspicion is that they're simply a list of recently used apps and I
merely removed them from the list.
Anyone else dealing with this nonsense?
Thanks,
Dane
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net kerala01212001
Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:31 am (PST)
Dane,
I don't think your battery use is that bad. It sounds like you still have 55% of battery life remaining after 2 days off the charger. That seems pretty good. The sleep function on the iPad isn't the same as on the Mac. My iPad still checks mail, etc - I think it just turns off the screen.
Jay
On Jan 27, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Dane Robison wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
> >> I think the same rule of letting your iPad 2 battery run all the
> >> way down and give it a recharge once a month applies just like the
> >> MBP. When I bought it, it said the battery would last 10 days.
> >
> > Whoever told you that was giving you grossly misleading information.
> >
> > If you use it heavily, it may not last 10 hours.
> > If you shut it off and don't use it, the battery will last a lot
> > longer than that.
>
> Sorry to drag this up again, but I'm having some frustrating iPad2
> battery concerns. In fact, it's not much of a stretch to say that I
> find the iPad2 almost useless due to the combined impacts of short
> battery life and long charging times.
>
> The only thing specific I have to go on right now is that I fully
> charged it, put it to sleep, and left it alone for 48 hours. Upon
> waking, I have 45% battery showing. Some quick googling has given me a
> bunch of silly ideas: Turn off wifi! Turn off 3G! Stop syncing with
> the cloud! It seems to me that once you stop doing the things people
> say to stop doing, you don't really have an iPad anymore...just a sexy
> paperweight.
>
> I have the 3G model but have never used 3G. I rely on wifi and will
> not turn it off. I sync contacts, etc., because it's useless to me if
> I don't.
>
> The one possibly useful tip I found was to "fully" close applications
> I'm not using. Apparently, the multitasking capability under recent
> iOS versions can lead to apps running down the battery in the
> background? I was advised to double-click the home button to see the
> list of recently used apps, then tap-and-hold one until they shake.
> Finally, tap the minus sign in the corner of the app icon to fully
> close it.
>
> What I found was about a million apps in that "drawer" -- pretty much
> every app I've ever used. I performed the steps above, closing every
> single one, then put the iPad back to sleep and will wait to see what
> happens over the next 24-48 hours. I wonder, though, if those apps I
> just "minused out of" were really running in the background? My
> suspicion is that they're simply a list of recently used apps and I
> merely removed them from the list.
>
> Anyone else dealing with this nonsense?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Tim O'Donoghue" tjod@drizzle.net timodonoghue
Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:58 am (PST)
I have the original iPad with 3G, WiFi, 32 gig memory. If I charge it to 100% and leave it alone, off the charger, it will still be at 97-100% after a week or more.
Dane - - what happens if you charge the iPad2 to 100%, power it OFF completely, then turn it back on without starting any additional apps? That process will ensure that there's nothing left running app-wise. Then you can check the hardware items like Bluetooth, WiFi, 3G radios, etc.
On Jan 27, 2012, at 7:31 AM, Jay Abraham wrote:
> Dane,
>
> I don't think your battery use is that bad. It sounds like you still have 55% of battery life remaining after 2 days off the charger. That seems pretty good. The sleep function on the iPad isn't the same as on the Mac. My iPad still checks mail, etc - I think it just turns off the screen.
>
> Jay
>
> On Jan 27, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Dane Robison wrote:
>
>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>>
>>>> I think the same rule of letting your iPad 2 battery run all the
>>>> way down and give it a recharge once a month applies just like the
>>>> MBP. When I bought it, it said the battery would last 10 days.
>>>
>>> Whoever told you that was giving you grossly misleading information.
>>>
>>> If you use it heavily, it may not last 10 hours.
>>> If you shut it off and don't use it, the battery will last a lot
>>> longer than that.
>>
>> Sorry to drag this up again, but I'm having some frustrating iPad2
>> battery concerns. In fact, it's not much of a stretch to say that I
>> find the iPad2 almost useless due to the combined impacts of short
>> battery life and long charging times.
>>
>> The only thing specific I have to go on right now is that I fully
>> charged it, put it to sleep, and left it alone for 48 hours. Upon
>> waking, I have 45% battery showing. Some quick googling has given me a
>> bunch of silly ideas: Turn off wifi! Turn off 3G! Stop syncing with
>> the cloud! It seems to me that once you stop doing the things people
>> say to stop doing, you don't really have an iPad anymore...just a sexy
>> paperweight.
>>
>> I have the 3G model but have never used 3G. I rely on wifi and will
>> not turn it off. I sync contacts, etc., because it's useless to me if
>> I don't.
>>
>> The one possibly useful tip I found was to "fully" close applications
>> I'm not using. Apparently, the multitasking capability under recent
>> iOS versions can lead to apps running down the battery in the
>> background? I was advised to double-click the home button to see the
>> list of recently used apps, then tap-and-hold one until they shake.
>> Finally, tap the minus sign in the corner of the app icon to fully
>> close it.
>>
>> What I found was about a million apps in that "drawer" -- pretty much
>> every app I've ever used. I performed the steps above, closing every
>> single one, then put the iPad back to sleep and will wait to see what
>> happens over the next 24-48 hours. I wonder, though, if those apps I
>> just "minused out of" were really running in the background? My
>> suspicion is that they're simply a list of recently used apps and I
>> merely removed them from the list.
>>
>> Anyone else dealing with this nonsense?
>>
>> Thanks,
>
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:14 am (PST)
> The only thing specific I have to go on right now is that I fully charged it, put it to sleep, and left it alone for 48 hours. Upon waking, I have 45% battery showing. Some quick googling has given me a bunch of silly ideas: Turn off wifi! Turn off 3G! Stop syncing with the cloud! It seems to me that once you stop doing the things people say to stop doing, you don't really have an iPad anymore...just a sexy paperweight.
1. Turning off those things when you aren't using the iPad does not require you to leave them off when you ARE using it.
2. Is there NOTHING you do with your iPad that does not require connectivity?
My Wifi, 3G, sync are always on. The iPad's charger plug is next to my bed. I take the iPad up to bed with me, turn on a digital clock app, plug it in, and go to bed. No matter what its condition was at bedtime, it is fully charged when I get up (unless the power went out during the night).
> The one possibly useful tip I found was to "fully" close applications I'm not using.
In general, useless.
For some few heavy-drainage apps, helpful (GPS trackers, for instance).
> What I found was about a million apps in that "drawer" -- pretty much every app I've ever used.
It is a "recently used apps" tray, and holds, I think, around 40-odd. Anything you use stays in the tray until and unless it is removed.
> I wonder, though, if those apps I just "minused out of" were really running in the background? My suspicion is that they're simply a list of recently used apps and I merely removed them from the list.
Correct. Most were not running.
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com macdane1
Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:46 pm (PST)
On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> The only thing specific I have to go on right now is that I fully
>> charged it, put it to sleep, and left it alone for 48 hours. Upon
>> waking, I have 45% battery showing. Some quick googling has given
>> me a bunch of silly ideas: Turn off wifi! Turn off 3G! Stop syncing
>> with the cloud! It seems to me that once you stop doing the things
>> people say to stop doing, you don't really have an iPad
>> anymore...just a sexy paperweight.
>
> 1. Turning off those things when you aren't using the iPad does not
> require you to leave them off when you ARE using it.
Correct, but given the way these things are promoted, sold and used,
that would be a pain. If you had a wristwatch that required you to set
the time each morning when you put it on, how long would you continue
wearing it?
> 2. Is there NOTHING you do with your iPad that does not require
> connectivity?
Of course there are things that don't require connectivity, but see
above.
> My Wifi, 3G, sync are always on. The iPad's charger plug is next to
> my bed. I take the iPad up to bed with me, turn on a digital clock
> app, plug it in, and go to bed. No matter what its condition was at
> bedtime, it is fully charged when I get up (unless the power went
> out during the night).
Overnight charging is fine, but my problem is that the next time I
grab it and head out the door, I usually find it has something like 7%
battery left. I'm all for charging it that night when I go to bed, but
what about in the meantime? It's getting to be a lot like those folks
whose laptop batteries won't hold a charge so they keep them plugged
in all the time. Just how portable is that? Not.
>> The one possibly useful tip I found was to "fully" close
>> applications I'm not using.
>
> In general, useless.
> For some few heavy-drainage apps, helpful (GPS trackers, for
> instance).
>
>> What I found was about a million apps in that "drawer" -- pretty
>> much every app I've ever used.
>
> It is a "recently used apps" tray, and holds, I think, around 40-
> odd. Anything you use stays in the tray until and unless it is
> removed.
>
>> I wonder, though, if those apps I just "minused out of" were really
>> running in the background? My suspicion is that they're simply a
>> list of recently used apps and I merely removed them from the list.
>
> Correct. Most were not running.
As I suspected. So do you know of a way to identify and selectively
quit apps that are currently running?
Thanks,
Dane
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com macdane1
Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:48 pm (PST)
I'll try that next, after this little experiment is finished. Thanks
Tim.
Dane
On Jan 27, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
> Dane - - what happens if you charge the iPad2 to 100%, power it OFF
> completely, then turn it back on without starting any additional
> apps? That process will ensure that there's nothing left running app-
> wise. Then you can check the hardware items like Bluetooth, WiFi, 3G
> radios, etc.
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:41 pm (PST)
>> 2. Is there NOTHING you do with your iPad that does not require connectivity?
>
> Of course there are things that don't require connectivity, but see above.
>
>> My Wifi, 3G, sync are always on. The iPad's charger plug is next to my bed. I take the iPad up to bed with me, turn on a digital clock app, plug it in, and go to bed. No matter what its condition was at bedtime, it is fully charged when I get up (unless the power went out during the night).
>
> Overnight charging is fine, but my problem is that the next time I grab it and head out the door, I usually find it has something like 7% battery left. I'm all for charging it that night when I go to bed, but what about in the meantime?
If you are being factual and not hyperbolic, your next step should be to take it to an Apple Store.
>>> I wonder, though, if those apps I just "minused out of" were really running in the background? My suspicion is that they're simply a list of recently used apps and I merely removed them from the list.
>>
>> Correct. Most were not running.
>
> As I suspected. So do you know of a way to identify and selectively quit apps that are currently running?
I have suggested that Apple could flag apps as active, suspended, or stopped, but at present there is no easy way to tell.
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Backup disk is full
Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com davec2468
Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:49 am (PST)
I'm getting this message from Time Machine.
Isn't this just standard procedure? Isn't TM supposed to back up
files to the backup HD until it gets full then delete old backups?
Is this message just FYI (informative) or should I do something about it?
Thanks,
Dave
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OS X 10.6.8 (yes, Snow Leopard)
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Re: Backup disk is full
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:30 am (PST)
You are correct about what TM does. It also warns you first. Remember, not everyone understands in advance that this is how it works.
Now is also a good time to review your backups and see how "deep" they go and consider whether you might want to work with a larger backup drive. Can also provide an early warning if your drive has filled up unexpectedly. Personally, I found that a 1TB drive backing up a 320GB drive was not enough for me. My needs are unusual because I do a ton of very large file work (video) and that can overwhelm the smaller backup too quickly. I needed more headroom.
Cheers,
tod
On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:49 AM, DaveC wrote:
> I'm getting this message from Time Machine.
>
> Isn't this just standard procedure? Isn't TM supposed to back up
> files to the backup HD until it gets full then delete old backups?
>
> Is this message just FYI (informative) or should I do something about it?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> --
> 2011 Mac mini 2.7 GHz i7 / 4 GB / 750 GB
> OS X 10.6.8 (yes, Snow Leopard)
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Backup disk is full
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:39 pm (PST)
On 1/27/2012 9:49 AM, DaveC wrote:
> I'm getting this message from Time Machine.
>
> Isn't this just standard procedure? Isn't TM supposed to back up
> files to the backup HD until it gets full then delete old backups?
>
> Is this message just FYI (informative) or should I do something about it?
>
If you look in System Preferences/Time Machine, you'll find an option to
turn these messages off.
Harry
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Re: Blowout quarter for Apple
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:00 am (PST)
> Apparently, however, tens of thousands of rural Chinese flock to jobs in factories just like Foxconn because it's better than constant stoop work in a rice paddy or farm work at even lower levels of income.
Somewhat long, but:
<http://www.appleinsider.com/ >articles/ 12/01/27/ chinese_respond_ to_report_ on_apples_ suppliers_ in_china. html
> Chinese respond to report on Apple's suppliers in China
> By Daniel Eran Dilger
> Published: 02:24 AM EST (11:24 PM PST)
>
> The New York Times republished its scathing report on Apple's alleged indifference to workers' rights in China in a Chinese business magazine to solicit comments "that might prove illuminating for readers" here in the US. Those responses were subsequently buried in a blog post.
>
> The original story, titled "In China, Human Costs Are Built Into an iPad," was republished yesterday by the Chinese-language Caixin business magazine, headquartered in Beijing.
>
> The New York Times obtained comments posted on the Caixin web site, Weibo.com and other social media in China and translated them. It published a series of responses on its "The Lede" blog, which got relatively little exposure.
>
> Among the comments New York Times translated for publication: "If people saw what kind of life workers lived before they found a job at Foxconn, they would come to an opposite conclusion of this story: that Apple is such a philanthropist," wrote Zhengchu1982.
>
> "If the story is simply blaming Apple and Foxconn, then it is simplifying the problem. Other companies including HTC, Lenovo, HP and Sony, and their OEM (original equipment manufacturer) companies such as Wistron, Quanta and Inventec, share the same situation. Workers of small OEM enterprises are working in even harsher environments and having more overtime. The root is that they are unable to reach a higher position in the industry chain. Also, there are no effective labor organizations in those factories and the government tends to shield huge companies because of their profits," wrote a user in comment on weibo.com.
>
> "It is biased to blame Apple for everything. The government should supervise the companies and their conduct, not the other way around. It is natural for enterprises to pursue economic profits. But corporate social responsibility needs to be backed up and monitored by regulations and laws," posted ChouzhuDaddy.
>
> "If more rigorous labor protection standards and 8-5 working time protocol are being strictly executed, we can expect a plunge of the workers' wages. If labor organizations with monopoly rights are established, those rural migrant workers who cannot find a position in the organization will be forced back to their hopeless villages. Manufacturing costs in China will increase in other ways and therefore harm its competitive advantage. Under such conditions, huge companies and advocates get to harvest their reputation and sense of achievement, but who else will get the real profit?" wrote YeyeGem.
>
> "If not to buy Apple, what's the substitute – Samsung? Don't you know that Samsung's products are from its OEM factory in Tianjin? Samsung workers' income and benefits are even worse than those at Foxconn. If not to buy iPad – (do you think) I will buy Android Pad? Have you ever been to the OEM factories for Lenovo and ASUS? Quanta, Compaq … factories of other companies are all worse than those for Apple. Not to buy iPod – (do you think) I will buy Aigo, Meizu? Do you know that Aigo's Shenzhen factory will not pay their workers until the 19th of the second month? If you were to quit, fine, I'm sorry, your salary will be withdrawn. Foxconn never dares to do such things. First, their profit margin is higher than peers as they manufacture for Apple. Second, at least those foreign devils will regularly audit factories. Domestic brands will never care if workers live or die. I am not speaking for Foxconn. I am just speaking as an insider of this industry, and telling you some disturbing truth," another users wrote a comment posted by Caixin.
>
> A variety of other comments were published by The Lede," some blaming Apple while many blamed the local government. Others expressed an opinion along the lines of Zhou Zhimei, who wrote, "By the way, construction workers and farmers are also living a harsh life in China, shall we also boycott housing and grains?"
>
> Apple's chief executive Tim Cook has reportedly responded to the New York Times article, writing to employees that "Any accident is deeply troubling, and any issue with working conditions is cause for concern. Any suggestion that we don't care is patently false and offensive to us. As you know better than anyone, accusations like these are contrary to our values. It's not who we are."
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Re: Blowout quarter for Apple
Posted by: "OBrien" bco@hiwaay.net conorboru
Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:59 pm (PST)
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:12:43 -0000, hester wrote:
> The essential thing to me is this: Apple has such cachet and
> prestige that if they insisted that conditions improve or lose
> contract x, it would happen, even in China. I adore my MBP, just
> love it. But I am distressed by the working conditions of those who
> assembled it. And wanted to balance the 'blowout quarter' story
> with facts about why perhaps it was a blow out.
Maybe, Apple could bring their manufacturing back home to the USA where it used to be.
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Re: Blowout quarter for Apple
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:15 pm (PST)
>> The essential thing to me is this: Apple has such cachet and prestige that if they insisted that conditions improve or lose contract x, it would happen, even in China. I adore my MBP, just
>> love it. But I am distressed by the working conditions of those who assembled it. And wanted to balance the 'blowout quarter' story with facts about why perhaps it was a blow out.
>
> Maybe, Apple could bring their manufacturing back home to the USA where it used to be.
How much are you willing to pay for an iPad, and how long are you willing to wait for it?
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Re: Blowout quarter for Apple
Posted by: "Ardell Faul" ardell@icehouse.net computer_monitor_service_company
Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:24 pm (PST)
On 1/27/2012 4:14 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
> >> The essential thing to me is this: Apple has such cachet and
> prestige that if they insisted that conditions improve or lose
> contract x, it would happen, even in China. I adore my MBP, just
> >> love it. But I am distressed by the working conditions of those who
> assembled it. And wanted to balance the 'blowout quarter' story with
> facts about why perhaps it was a blow out.
> >
> > Maybe, Apple could bring their manufacturing back home to the USA
> where it used to be.
>
> How much are you willing to pay for an iPad, and how long are you
> willing to wait for it?
>
Thats right, you will have to pay for those ugly details the government
makes US companies pay attention to. Like not discharging mercury into
the water, paying more than 10 cents an hour, not using 12 year olds to
make them, etc etc etc. That's why the capitalists have moved the
industrial base over seas.
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Re: Blowout quarter for Apple
Posted by: "OBrien" bco@hiwaay.net conorboru
Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:33 pm (PST)
I'm just wondering. I've never read anything about just what the effects of manufacturing would be if Apple did it in the USA. I'm sure there would be some impact, but just what might it be? Maybe, it isn't such a far-fetched idea. I don't know.
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Re: Blowout quarter for Apple
Posted by: "Tim O'Donoghue" tjod@drizzle.net timodonoghue
Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:34 pm (PST)
We also do not have the engineering base or enough staff (in a concentrated area) to support an operation like Foxconn .
On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Ardell Faul wrote:
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> On 1/27/2012 4:14 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>>
>>>> The essential thing to me is this: Apple has such cachet and
>> prestige that if they insisted that conditions improve or lose
>> contract x, it would happen, even in China. I adore my MBP, just
>>>> love it. But I am distressed by the working conditions of those who
>> assembled it. And wanted to balance the 'blowout quarter' story with
>> facts about why perhaps it was a blow out.
>>>
>>> Maybe, Apple could bring their manufacturing back home to the USA
>> where it used to be.
>>
>> How much are you willing to pay for an iPad, and how long are you
>> willing to wait for it?
>>
> Thats right, you will have to pay for those ugly details the government
> makes US companies pay attention to. Like not discharging mercury into
> the water, paying more than 10 cents an hour, not using 12 year olds to
> make them, etc etc etc. That's why the capitalists have moved the
> industrial base over seas.
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Re: Bluetooth in App Folder, BUT will not run suddenly today.
Posted by: "HAL9000" jrswebhome@yahoo.com jrswebhome
Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:26 am (PST)
Sorry, Dan and others, that was my impatience.
Through Spotlight ONLY I see the Bluetooth Pref Pane in my System Pref Pane folder.
But it is not functioning. Nor shows up in the top screen menu.
Nor do I see it opening the System Preferences menu.
Under System Info/Bluetooth: No information found.
I have used Bluetooth w a Magic Mouse since I bought the iMac about two years ago.
Is Bluetooth a hardware module that needs replacing?
I've done all the preliminary plugging unplugging starting restarting.
Sorry once again for my impatience. John R
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , Denver Dan <denver.dan@com ...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> Your post is confusing to me.
>
> I don't have a Bluetooth" app in my Applications folder (but this could
> be because I don't have a Bluetooth device connected).
>
> Why is a "Bluetooth" app located in your Applications folder???
>
> Where does the Bluetooth app in your Applications come from? Was it
> installed by a 3rd party (non Apple) installer?
>
> Is the Bluetooth app in your Applications folder actually the
> Bluetooth.prefPane item from System/Library/PreferencesPanes folder??
> (If so it's in the wrong location.)
>
> Have you used Bluetooth in System Preferences?
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:44:25 +0000, HAL9000 wrote:
> > 27" iMac/2.0/OSX6.8/12gigRAM/ 1TBHD
> >
> > This situation has happened suddenly after months working fine.
> > I posted at Apple Forums, but no help yet, so I ask here:
> >
> > Deleted the Main Library/Pref/bluetooth. plist, rebooted.
> > Nothing
> > Restarted w magic mouse off, removed batteries, replaced batteries,
> > turned on magic mouse.
> > Nothing
> > Restarted holding Command+Option+P+R three dings
> > Nothing
> > Shutdown, unplugged all connections, then unplugged power cord,
> > replugged all back. Restart.
> > Nothing
> > Ê
> > I can see the Bluetooth app in my applications folder. Clicking on it
> > displays:
> >
> > "You canÕt open the ÒBluetoothÓ preferences pane because
> > it is not available to you at this time.
> > To see this preferences pane, you may need to connect
> > a device to your computer."
> > Ê
> > I have not had this problem using Snow Leopard, ever, until today,
> > and today Bluetooth suddenly STOPS working.
> > Ê
> > I shut the computer down for 4 hours,
> > then powered up and Bluetooth WAS ACTUALLY RUNNING.
> > After 10 minutes, it QUIT.
> > Ê
> > I booted from my SL installer disk and ran Disk Repair.
> > I booted from my Diskwarrior Disk, repaired, especially,
> > Disk Warrior blessed the sysytem folder.
> >
> > Apple Menu/More Info/Bluetooth/No information found.
> > Ê
> > Does anyone know why Bluetooth is refusing to run?
>
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Re: safari is slow
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:11 am (PST)
> On 2012 January 26 (at 18:19) Randy B Singer wrote:
>
> I'd try two things. Both should help quite a bit.
>
> Uninstall the copy of Flash that you have installed with this
> uninstaller:
> <http://fpdownload.macromedia. com/get/flashpla yer/current/
> uninstall_flash_player_osx. dmg>
> or
> http://is.gd/lrnKUG
>
> Then download the latest version of Flash directly from Adobe, and
> install it:
> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
>
> Now...
>
> Quit all browsers.
> Go into:
> System Preferences --> Network --> Built-in Ethernet
> and write down the numbers for the domain name server(s) (DNS) to
> save them.
>
> You can find the domain name server(s) that provide the best
> performance for your Mac using:
>
> NameBench (free)
> http://code.google.com/ p/namebench/
>
> NameBench will take about 5 minutes to run. Be patient. Use the
> fastest DNS it finds to replace the existing setting in Network in
> System Preferences.
>
> Let us know how this works for you. Randy
>
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Thus spake 'namebench', probably because I'm sitting in McDonald's doing the WiFi thing.
My Safari also seems to be slow at times, which may be a result of using McDonald's. Perhaps there's too much traffic on its WiFi system, which sometimes conks out (as it just did for me a little while ago).
With respect to your instructions, Randy, I can't find Built-in Ethernet. My Ethernet shows red (Not Connected), so I'm not sure where to go with that instruction.
My thought is that Safari download speed may be a function of the system one uses to get internet access.
Thanx. Oneal
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Re: safari is slow
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:21 pm (PST)
> You can find the domain name server(s) that provide the best performance for your Mac using NameBench (free)
>
> NameBench will take about 5 minutes to run. Be patient. Use the fastest DNS it finds to replace the existing setting in Network in System Preferences.
I just tried NameBench.
It tells me that, on average, UltraDNS is a little faster than OpenDNS, but that OpenDNS fastest test is faster than that of UltraDNS.
However, it tells me that UltraDNS is 156.154.70.1
Googling that tells me:
> DNS Advantage is a proprietary opt-in DNS service. It does not follow internet standards—for example, the component of its service that implements typographical checking constitutes DNS hijacking.
I think I'll stick with OpenDNS....
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