Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: More on extended-ASCII characters in Mail app From: Oneal Neumann
- 1b.
- Re: More on extended-ASCII characters in Mail app From: Keith Whaley
- 1c.
- Re: More on extended-ASCII characters in Mail app From: Alan Fry
- 2a.
- Re: How to copy audio book to computer? From: Denver Dan
- 2b.
- Re: How to copy audio book to computer? From: Denver Dan
- 2c.
- Re: How to copy audio book to computer? From: James Robertson
- 2d.
- Re: How to copy audio book to computer? From: Vixpix
- 2e.
- Re: How to copy audio book to computer? From: Vixpix
- 2f.
- Re: How to copy audio book to computer? From: Barry Austern
- 2g.
- Re: How to copy audio book to computer? From: Jim Saklad
- 2h.
- Re: How to copy audio book to computer? From: N.A. Nada
- 3a.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Dane Robison
- 3b.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: G W
- 3c.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Dane Robison
- 3d.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: G W
- 3e.
- Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery From: Dane Robison
- 4a.
- Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files From: Tod Hopkins
- 4b.
- Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files From: Barry Austern
- 4c.
- Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files From: Tod Hopkins
- 4d.
- Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files From: Daly Jessup
- 4e.
- Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files From: Alan Fry
- 4f.
- Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files From: John Engberg
- 5a.
- Re: Hitachi vs. Toshiba: should I send this hard drive back? From: Andrew Buc
- 6a.
- Air Printers for iMacs From: Michael Moloney
- 6b.
- Re: Air Printers for iMacs From: Harry Flaxman
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: More on extended-ASCII characters in Mail app
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:24 am (PST)
> On 2012 January 27 (at 05:53) Alan Fry wrote:
>
> It may be that HAL9000 has Mail.app set to compose in 'Plain Text' rather than 'Rich Text'? I am sending this message in 'Rich Text' which should ensure that it is encoded to UTF-8 and thus it should avoid these ambiguities. We shall see.
>
> I hope raising this topic again is not boring, but it does seem to me important that Apple's Mail app should be able to handle nonASCII characters reliably and consistently. That is, after all, the aim of UTF-8. If it cannot, then I think it should be brought to Apple's attention. Alan Fry
>
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Your point is well-taken, Alan. I've noticed that some of my posts have apostrophes transformed to commas, however that has only occurred with some nonregular posts.
At one time, all group posts came (via Yahoo!) with only Georgia 13-point fonts. Now, a smaller subset of posts comes with my incoming-font choice: Chalkboard 17-point font.
The transformational weirdness (such as apostrophes becoming commas) only seems to occur with respect to this latter (nonregular-post) group.
Mail > Message > Text Encoding presumably effects incoming emails, however selecting UTF-8 seems to do nothing ameliorate incoming weirdnesses.
With respect to email composition, I've chosen Rich Text as my default form. There seems to be no way to affect Text Encoding in composition.
Thanx. Oneal
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Re: More on extended-ASCII characters in Mail app
Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com keith9600
Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:27 pm (PST)
Oneal Neumann wrote:
>
>> On 2012 January 27 (at 05:53) Alan Fry wrote:
>>
>> It may be that HAL9000 has Mail.app set to compose in 'Plain Text'
>> rather than 'Rich Text'? I am sending this message in 'Rich Text'
>> which should ensure that it is encoded to UTF-8 and thus it should
>> avoid these ambiguities. We shall see.
>>
>> I hope raising this topic again is not boring, but it does seem to
>> me important that Apple's Mail app should be able to handle
>> nonASCII characters reliably and consistently. That is, after all,
>> the aim of UTF-8. If it cannot, then I think it should be brought
>> to Apple's attention. Alan Fry
> Your point is well-taken, Alan. I�ve noticed that some of my posts
> have apostrophes transformed to commas, however that has only
> occurred with some nonregular posts.
[...]
What is it you mean by "non-regular" posts, please?
keith
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Re: More on extended-ASCII characters in Mail app
Posted by: "Alan Fry" ajf@afco.demon.co.uk alanjohnfry
Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:46 am (PST)
On 29 Jan 2012, at 07:37, Oneal Neumann wrote:
>
>> On 2012 January 27 (at 05:53) Alan Fry wrote:
>>
>> It may be that HAL9000 has Mail.app set to compose in 'Plain Text' rather than 'Rich Text'? I am sending this message in 'Rich Text' which should ensure that it is encoded to UTF-8 and thus it should avoid these ambiguities. We shall see.
>>
>> I hope raising this topic again is not boring, but it does seem to me important that Apple's Mail app should be able to handle nonASCII characters reliably and consistently. That is, after all, the aim of UTF-8. If it cannot, then I think it should be brought to Apple's attention. Alan Fry
>>
>
> Mail > Message > Text Encoding presumably effects incoming emails, however selecting UTF-8 seems to do nothing ameliorate incoming weirdnesses.
>
> With respect to email composition, I‚ve chosen Rich Text as my default form. There seems to be no way to affect Text Encoding in composition.
No, it is actually the other way round, Mail->Message->Text sets the character encoding for composing the message. If you leave it set to 'Automatic' and use 'Rich Text', Mail.app will always choose utf-8. which is the best option. The only reason for setting something else would be if you >know< the recipient cannot handle utf-8 and needs a specific character encoding.
You are quite right that there is no way to alter either 'Content-Type' or 'Content-Type-Encoding' . Mail makes those choices based on the content it finds in the message. With 'Rich Text' and utf-8 set Mail.app mostly (but not always) chooses 'text/plain' and 'quoted-printable' respectively. Usually extended ASCII characters travel intact.
Alan Fry
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Re: How to copy audio book to computer?
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:40 am (PST)
Howdy.
MP3 audio file format can't sound just as good as a quality AIFF file.
An AIFF file is essentially not compressed.
An MP3 file is greatly compressed and that compression is achieved by
discarding digital data and thus quality.
If you play an AIFF file and the same file converted to MP3 on an
inexpensive low quality audio system you probably won't hear much
difference.
If you play an AIFF file and the same MP3 on a high quality audio
system, you will immediately hear the difference.
It's a bit similar to the compressed format JPEG file which achieves
that compression by discarding digital data permanently and a TIFF
image file which doesn't discard data (unless you choose the compressed
variant of TIFF).
Denver Dan
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:29:12 -0500, vixpix wrote:
> They were condensed to only one CD because the uncompressed AIFF
> audio files were converted to MP3. It sounds just as good.
>
> Vickie
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Re: How to copy audio book to computer?
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:43 am (PST)
Howdy.
Comment on type of CD used in automobile sound systems.
The brand and type of CD disc can make this work or make this fail.
A CD-RW is often going to be problematic.
Sometimes one brand of blank CD-R will work on a car system and might
night work on a different brand system.
So it's best to experiment at first and find quality CD-R blanks that
work in your own vehicle.
Denver Dan
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:51:52 -0500, vixpix wrote:
> I bought Steve Job's biography on audio disk. The problem I am having
> is that it is not playing correctly on my car CD player. I never had
> a problem with other CDs on that player.
>
> Steve Job's first CD played fine, but after that, the other CDs keep
> giving me an error message and rejects it, or if it does finally
> play, it skips continuously. Very frustrating. I even returned the CD
> book to the store and received another one, but I'm having the same
> problem. The first CD plays and all the others won't.
>
> Is there any way I can download the CDs onto my computer or duplicate
> to another format and burn to another CD?
>
> It seems to play okay on my iMac's iTunes.
>
> Vickie
- 2c.
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Re: How to copy audio book to computer?
Posted by: "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net jamesrob328i
Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:06 am (PST)
On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> If you play an AIFF file and the same MP3 on a high quality audio
> system, you will immediately hear the differenc
She didn't actually say the quality was the same. She said the MP3 "sounds just as good" on her car CD/mp3 disk player. That could easily be the case at 70 mph unless one is alone in a Lexus on a good road :-)
--
Jim Robertson
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Re: How to copy audio book to computer?
Posted by: "Vixpix" vixpix@frontiernet.net nyskater
Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:21 am (PST)
Hello Dan,
I guess my car CD player is of lower quality, because I could not tell the difference. After all, it was just a person talking, no musical instruments. I have heard the difference between MP3 and AIFF music files on my Mac, and it made a big difference, I agree.
Vickie
----- Original Message -----
From: Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:40:51 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [macsupport] How to copy audio book to computer?
Howdy.
MP3 audio file format can't sound just as good as a quality AIFF file.
An AIFF file is essentially not compressed.
An MP3 file is greatly compressed and that compression is achieved by
discarding digital data and thus quality.
If you play an AIFF file and the same file converted to MP3 on an
inexpensive low quality audio system you probably won't hear much
difference.
If you play an AIFF file and the same MP3 on a high quality audio
system, you will immediately hear the difference.
It's a bit similar to the compressed format JPEG file which achieves
that compression by discarding digital data permanently and a TIFF
image file which doesn't discard data (unless you choose the compressed
variant of TIFF).
Denver Dan
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:29:12 -0500, vixpix wrote:
> They were condensed to only one CD because the uncompressed AIFF
> audio files were converted to MP3. It sounds just as good.
>
> Vickie
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Re: How to copy audio book to computer?
Posted by: "Vixpix" vixpix@frontiernet.net nyskater
Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:23 am (PST)
That must be it, Jim. I have an Acura RSX and it is a bit noisy to begin with. The original speakers are not what I call great, either.
Vickie
----- Original Message -----
From: James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:06:15 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [macsupport] How to copy audio book to computer?
On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> If you play an AIFF file and the same MP3 on a high quality audio
> system, you will immediately hear the differenc
She didn't actually say the quality was the same. She said the MP3 "sounds just as good" on her car CD/mp3 disk player. That could easily be the case at 70 mph unless one is alone in a Lexus on a good road :-)
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Re: How to copy audio book to computer?
Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net barryaus
Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:50 am (PST)
At 11:40 AM -0500 1/30/12, Denver Dan wrote:
>
>
>Howdy.
>
>MP3 audio file format can't sound just as good as a quality AIFF file.
>
>An AIFF file is essentially not compressed.
>
>An MP3 file is greatly compressed and that compression is achieved by
>discarding digital data and thus quality.
Look at the thread title. It is about audio books. MP3 is, I'm sure,
good enough for that format, even if not for Mozart.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
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Re: How to copy audio book to computer?
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:56 pm (PST)
> MP3 audio file format can't sound just as good as a quality AIFF file.
Yeah. Well.
Keep in mind we are discussing listening to an audiobook reading in a moving car with all that ambient noise.
Perfect audio fidelity is not an issue.
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Re: How to copy audio book to computer?
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:56 pm (PST)
On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> MP3 audio file format can't sound just as good as a quality AIFF file.
>
> An AIFF file is essentially not compressed.
>
> An MP3 file is greatly compressed and that compression is achieved by
> discarding digital data and thus quality.
>
> If you play an AIFF file and the same file converted to MP3 on an
> inexpensive low quality audio system you probably won't hear much
> difference.
>
> If you play an AIFF file and the same MP3 on a high quality audio
> system, you will immediately hear the difference.
>
> It's a bit similar to the compressed format JPEG file which achieves
> that compression by discarding digital data permanently and a TIFF
> image file which doesn't discard data (unless you choose the compressed
> variant of TIFF).
DD,
We're talking about audio books and so the quality does not need to be the same as for music.
In my case, I drive a Ford Ranger pickup and have a tin ear, so between the road noise and my tin ear, I don't need all that much quality for spoken word.
No need to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Brent
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com macdane1
Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:47 am (PST)
On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> I wonder, though, if those apps I just "minused out of" were really
>> running in the background? My suspicion is that they're simply a
>> list of recently used apps and I merely removed them from the list.
>
> Correct. Most were not running.
Aha! More data this morning! To summarize...
1. Fully charged the iPad2
2. Put it to sleep
3. Let it sit idle for 48 hours
Battery life at that point: 45%
4. Removed (via minus sign) all apps from the "recent apps drawer"
5. Put iPad2 back to sleep at 44%
I had a busy weekend and missed my chance to check the battery
indicator at the 96-hour mark. It's now been 122.5 hours and I'm
waking the iPad2 up to find a battery reading of...38%!
So, the first 48 hours of sitting idle consumed 55% of my battery,
while the next 74.5 hours of sitting idle with nothing in the "recent
apps drawer" consumed only 6%.
Conclusions? At the very least, I have to think that removing apps
from the "recent" list actually does fully quit them. Beyond that, I'm
just more frustrated than ever at the fact that there's no way to tell
what's actually running. I think for now I'll go with the advice
(Tim's?) to fully reboot the iPad with each charging, and see where
that gets me.
Thoughts?
Dane
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "G W" googurl@gmail.com terminalatom
Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:01 am (PST)
At 11:47 AM -0500 1/30/12, Dane Robison wrote:
>Conclusions? At the very least, I have to think that removing apps
>from the "recent" list actually does fully quit them. Beyond that, I'm
>just more frustrated than ever at the fact that there's no way to tell
>what's actually running.
Here's a related article that you might find helpful:
<http://speirs.org/blog/ >2012/1/2/ misconceptions- about-ios- multitasking. html
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com macdane1
Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:17 pm (PST)
On Jan 30, 2012, at 2:01 PM, G W wrote:
> At 11:47 AM -0500 1/30/12, Dane Robison wrote:
>
>> Conclusions? At the very least, I have to think that removing apps
>> from the "recent" list actually does fully quit them. Beyond that,
>> I'm
>> just more frustrated than ever at the fact that there's no way to
>> tell
>> what's actually running.
>
> Here's a related article that you might find helpful:
>
> <http://speirs.org/blog/ 2012/1/2/ misconceptions- about-ios- multitasking. html
> >
Hmm. Definitely interesting but perhaps not very helpful. As certain
as this guy sounds, his article appears to directly contradict the
results of my recent experiment. I'll say this again, as clearly as I
can:
In the first 48-hour idle session, 55% of my battery was consumed ~
1.15% per hour.
In the subsequent 74.5-hour session, only 6 percent was consumed ~
0.08% per hour.
That's a substantial difference.
The only difference between the two session (other than duration!) was
that I removed all apps from the list of recently used apps between
the two sessions.
That's it. So either this guy is wrong or there's a different, weirder
explanation for what I saw. FWIW, my iPad isn't jailbroken and I don't
have any terribly unusual apps.
Dane
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "G W" googurl@gmail.com terminalatom
Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:52 pm (PST)
At 5:17 PM -0500 1/30/12, Dane Robison wrote:
>In the first 48-hour idle session, 55% of my battery was consumed ~
>1.15% per hour.
Did you press the Home Button before leaving the iPad in its idle
state? You don't say - and it appears to be to be a critical detail.
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Re: MBP Andy iPad 2 battery
Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com macdane1
Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:16 pm (PST)
On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:52 PM, G W wrote:
> At 5:17 PM -0500 1/30/12, Dane Robison wrote:
>
>> In the first 48-hour idle session, 55% of my battery was consumed ~
>> 1.15% per hour.
>
> Did you press the Home Button before leaving the iPad in its idle
> state? You don't say - and it appears to be to be a critical detail.
I'm pretty sure I did not. Because (a) I hadn't read that article at
that point and (b) I wasn't in any app, just the ... finder? What do
you call that?
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Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:32 pm (PST)
I'm having bunches of fun trying to copy roughly 40,000 files...
FAT32 formatted external drive with 40,000 files in two folders. All files are identical 7.8MB files (image sequence). I am trying to move the files from one folder to a new folder (organizing) on the same drive but I have similar results trying to copy the files from the FAT32 drive to my internal drive.
Not only does this take massive amounts of time even for small moves (15 files might take a minute or two), but the CPU jams up while the copy takes place and then generally (but not always) stays that way, at 100% (of 200% dual CPU). If I do a larger copy (couple thousand), it handles the first couple hundred okay, then sometimes jams up and appears to be locked. Not sure if it is completely jammed or just bogged down because I have not had the patience to leave it for more than several minutes when it shows no sign of progress at all.
I am stumped about both what's going on and what to do about it. Calculate folders is not on. The drive is not being indexed by Spotlight (excluded). Doesn't seem to matter if I move on the drive or copy from it to the internal drive.
Is there a better way? A file copy utility that handles mass copies better than Finder? I've got Pathfinder around here somewhere. Maybe I should try that. This type of mass file copy is not all that unusual for me and I will run into it again. I have had trouble before, but not this bad. This is the largest I've attempted. Maybe just the FAT32 drive cramping my style? That will be testable in a few days because I'm getting another drive with the same material.
OS 10.6.8
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files
Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net barryaus
Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:11 pm (PST)
Can a cloner such as CCC or Super Duper do a FAT-32 volume? If so
then give it a try.
At 4:32 PM -0500 1/30/12, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>
>
>I'm having bunches of fun trying to copy roughly 40,000 files...
>
>FAT32 formatted external drive with 40,000 files in two folders. All
>files are identical 7.8MB files (image sequence). I am trying to
>move the files from one folder to a new folder (organizing) on the
>same drive but I have similar results trying to copy the files from
>the FAT32 drive to my internal drive.
>
>Not only does this take massive amounts of time even for small moves
>(15 files might take a minute or two), but the CPU jams up while the
>copy takes place and then generally (but not always) stays that way,
>at 100% (of 200% dual CPU). If I do a larger copy (couple thousand),
>it handles the first couple hundred okay, then sometimes jams up and
>appears to be locked. Not sure if it is completely jammed or just
>bogged down because I have not had the patience to leave it for more
>than several minutes when it shows no sign of progress at all.
>
>I am stumped about both what's going on and what to do about it.
>Calculate folders is not on. The drive is not being indexed by
>Spotlight (excluded). Doesn't seem to matter if I move on the drive
>or copy from it to the internal drive.
>
>Is there a better way? A file copy utility that handles mass copies
>better than Finder? I've got Pathfinder around here somewhere. Maybe
>I should try that. This type of mass file copy is not all that
>unusual for me and I will run into it again. I have had trouble
>before, but not this bad. This is the largest I've attempted. Maybe
>just the FAT32 drive cramping my style? That will be testable in a
>few days because I'm getting another drive with the same material.
>
>OS 10.6.8
>
>Cheers,
>tod
>
>Tod Hopkins
>Hillmann & Carr Inc.
><mailto:todhopkins%40hillmanncarr. com>todhopkins@hillmann carr.com
>
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>
>
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
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Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:24 pm (PST)
Yes and know, depending on what you ask them to do, but they won't work for me. I need a file manager. I'm doing more than just backing up from one location to another.
Latest attempt to move 2100 files jammed up about half way through.
Cheers
tod
On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Barry Austern wrote:
> Can a cloner such as CCC or Super Duper do a FAT-32 volume? If so
> then give it a try.
>
> At 4:32 PM -0500 1/30/12, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >I'm having bunches of fun trying to copy roughly 40,000 files...
> >
> >FAT32 formatted external drive with 40,000 files in two folders. All
> >files are identical 7.8MB files (image sequence). I am trying to
> >move the files from one folder to a new folder (organizing) on the
> >same drive but I have similar results trying to copy the files from
> >the FAT32 drive to my internal drive.
> >
> >Not only does this take massive amounts of time even for small moves
> >(15 files might take a minute or two), but the CPU jams up while the
> >copy takes place and then generally (but not always) stays that way,
> >at 100% (of 200% dual CPU). If I do a larger copy (couple thousand),
> >it handles the first couple hundred okay, then sometimes jams up and
> >appears to be locked. Not sure if it is completely jammed or just
> >bogged down because I have not had the patience to leave it for more
> >than several minutes when it shows no sign of progress at all.
> >
> >I am stumped about both what's going on and what to do about it.
> >Calculate folders is not on. The drive is not being indexed by
> >Spotlight (excluded). Doesn't seem to matter if I move on the drive
> >or copy from it to the internal drive.
> >
> >Is there a better way? A file copy utility that handles mass copies
> >better than Finder? I've got Pathfinder around here somewhere. Maybe
> >I should try that. This type of mass file copy is not all that
> >unusual for me and I will run into it again. I have had trouble
> >before, but not this bad. This is the largest I've attempted. Maybe
> >just the FAT32 drive cramping my style? That will be testable in a
> >few days because I'm getting another drive with the same material.
> >
> >OS 10.6.8
> >
> >Cheers,
> >tod
> >
> >Tod Hopkins
> >Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> ><mailto:todhopkins%40hillmanncarr. com>todhopkins@hillmann carr.com
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> --
> Barry Austern
> barryaus@fuse.net
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com
Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:20 pm (PST)
On Jan 30, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Barry Austern wrote:
> Can a cloner such as CCC or Super Duper do a FAT-32 volume? If so
> then give it a try.
This article from several years ago suggests that SuperDuper will not do FAT32 drives:
<http://www.macworld.com/article/ >50498/2006/ 04/superduper2. html
Another article suggests backing up FAT32 files using FTP:
<http://www.macmaps.com/backup. >html#CLONE
I'm surprised. i thought a clone would just make a blindn copy of anything it found, format notwithstanding. But apparently not.
Daly
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Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files
Posted by: "Alan Fry" ajf@afco.demon.co.uk alanjohnfry
Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:47 am (PST)
On 30 Jan 2012, at 21:32, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> I'm having bunches of fun trying to copy roughly 40,000 files...
>
> FAT32 formatted external drive with 40,000 files in two folders. All files are identical 7.8MB files (image sequence). I am trying to move the files from one folder to a new folder (organizing) on the same drive but I have similar results trying to copy the files from the FAT32 drive to my internal drive.
>
> Not only does this take massive amounts of time even for small moves (15 files might take a minute or two), but the CPU jams up while the copy takes place and then generally (but not always) stays that way, at 100% (of 200% dual CPU). If I do a larger copy (couple thousand), it handles the first couple hundred okay, then sometimes jams up and appears to be locked. Not sure if it is completely jammed or just bogged down because I have not had the patience to leave it for more than several minutes when it shows no sign of progress at all.
>
> I am stumped about both what's going on and what to do about it. Calculate folders is not on. The drive is not being indexed by Spotlight (excluded). Doesn't seem to matter if I move on the drive or copy from it to the internal drive.
>
> Is there a better way? A file copy utility that handles mass copies better than Finder? I've got Pathfinder around here somewhere. Maybe I should try that. This type of mass file copy is not all that unusual for me and I will run into it again. I have had trouble before, but not this bad. This is the largest I've attempted. Maybe just the FAT32 drive cramping my style? That will be testable in a few days because I'm getting another drive with the same material.
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> OS 10.6.8
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> Cheers,
> tod
>
> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Mass File Copy Problems, 40,000 files
Posted by: "John Engberg" mrbyte@earthlink.net mrbyte
Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:50 am (PST)
How much head room do you have on that drive? 40K files (7.8 MB each) is 304 GB. 2100 files is almost 16GB.
John Engberg
On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> Yes and know, depending on what you ask them to do, but they won't work for me. I need a file manager. I'm doing more than just backing up from one location to another.
>
> Latest attempt to move 2100 files jammed up about half way through.
>
> Cheers
> tod
>
> On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Barry Austern wrote:
>
>> Can a cloner such as CCC or Super Duper do a FAT-32 volume? If so
>> then give it a try.
>>
>> At 4:32 PM -0500 1/30/12, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm having bunches of fun trying to copy roughly 40,000 files...
>>>
>>> FAT32 formatted external drive with 40,000 files in two folders. All
>>> files are identical 7.8MB files (image sequence). I am trying to
>>> move the files from one folder to a new folder (organizing) on the
>>> same drive but I have similar results trying to copy the files from
>>> the FAT32 drive to my internal drive.
>>>
>>> Not only does this take massive amounts of time even for small moves
>>> (15 files might take a minute or two), but the CPU jams up while the
>>> copy takes place and then generally (but not always) stays that way,
>>> at 100% (of 200% dual CPU). If I do a larger copy (couple thousand),
>>> it handles the first couple hundred okay, then sometimes jams up and
>>> appears to be locked. Not sure if it is completely jammed or just
>>> bogged down because I have not had the patience to leave it for more
>>> than several minutes when it shows no sign of progress at all.
>>>
>>> I am stumped about both what's going on and what to do about it.
>>> Calculate folders is not on. The drive is not being indexed by
>>> Spotlight (excluded). Doesn't seem to matter if I move on the drive
>>> or copy from it to the internal drive.
>>>
>>> Is there a better way? A file copy utility that handles mass copies
>>> better than Finder? I've got Pathfinder around here somewhere. Maybe
>>> I should try that. This type of mass file copy is not all that
>>> unusual for me and I will run into it again. I have had trouble
>>> before, but not this bad. This is the largest I've attempted. Maybe
>>> just the FAT32 drive cramping my style? That will be testable in a
>>> few days because I'm getting another drive with the same material.
>>>
>>> OS 10.6.8
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> tod
>>>
>>> Tod Hopkins
>>> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
>>> <mailto:todhopkins%40hillmanncarr. com>todhopkins@hillmann carr.com
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Barry Austern
>> barryaus@fuse.net
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Hitachi vs. Toshiba: should I send this hard drive back?
Posted by: "Andrew Buc" andrewbuc@staxman.net andrewbuc
Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:47 pm (PST)
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> With regard to your decision about your Other World Computing drive,
> my *guess* is that the drive will be about as good as any other
> drive. Other World Computing claims to do their own testing of
> drives before settling on which to use, and, at least in the past,
> that has showed because their drives have been very reliable.
> However, the flooding in Thailand, and the disruption in
> manufacturing may have caused them to be desperate and to lower their
> standards, I just don't know.
I started this thread a while back when my OWC Mercury On-the-Go
drive came with a Toshiba drive instead of the expected Hitachi. I
ended up deciding to keep it.
Today I was on the phone to OWC to order another drive--my 4.5-year-
old On-the-Go went south, which I think it was entitled to do at its
age. I needed a bigger drive anyway. In the wake of my experience in
November, I asked up front what kind of drive would be in the case,
and the salesman said a Hitachi DeskStar. In view of your comments
about newer Hitachi drives, that gave me some trepidation, but I went
with OWC's overall track record and reputation and ordered the drive.
We shall see.
I'd given some thought to a drive dock, but AFAIK, the only bootable
one is the Weibetech, and it's $200 by itself, no drive. I may go
that route in the future if I have more money lying around.
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Air Printers for iMacs
Posted by: "Michael Moloney" moloney.icloud@gmail.com moloney_mj
Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:33 pm (PST)
Hi there,
What air printers would group users here recommend for iMacs mainly for home use?
Thanks all.
Regards,
Michael.
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Re: Air Printers for iMacs
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:02 am (PST)
On 1/31/2012 2:33 AM, Michael Moloney wrote:
> What air printers would group users here recommend for iMacs mainly for home use?
>
> Thanks all.
I use an HP Photosmart Premium C310a. Nice wireless printer that has
Airprint which works well.
Harry
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