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- 1a.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Arjun Singhal
- 1b.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Chris Jones
- 1c.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Jim Saklad
- 1d.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Randy B. Singer
- 1e.
- Re: Physical system discs From: N.A. Nada
- 1f.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Arjun Singhal
- 1g.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Chris Jones
- 1h.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Arjun Singhal
- 1i.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Arjun Singhal
- 1j.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Harry Flaxman
- 1k.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Chris Jones
- 1l.
- Re: Physical system discs From: Harry Flaxman
- 2a.
- Re: Replace Ventura Publisher From: Denver Dan
- 2b.
- Re: Replace Ventura Publisher From: Jurgen Richter
- 2c.
- Re: Replace Ventura Publisher From: Jim Saklad
- 2d.
- Re: Replace Ventura Publisher From: Randy B. Singer
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- Re: Replace Ventura Publisher From: Josephine Bacon
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- Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal From: Christopher Collins
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- Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal From: N.A. Nada
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- Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal From: Otto Nikolaus
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- Re: redoing fonts ??? From: Oneal Neumann
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- 6a.
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- 6b.
- Re: ID theft From: Harry Flaxman
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:16 pm (PST)
A step back in comfort and ease of use perhaps is the better way to word it. If u make the thumb drive, u get only a very basic reinstall from it. Not the way it shipped when you open it from the box. When youre stuck with low connectivity, u know what stickiness can mean
Regards,
Arjun
blowtrumpet.com
Sent from my iPad
On 20-Jan-2012, at 1:10, Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net > wrote:
>
> On Jan 19, 12, at 10:16 AM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
>
> > i know its a perfect world for some folks out there. but for those its not, not having the discs / thumb drive can really be very very frustrating indeed. its the first time in the history of apple that apple has taken such a drastic step back from the way the world accepts usability of software.
>
> *
> A step back?
>
> Or perhaps a step forward to the way that all systems will be delivered in the future.
>
> You can make a bootable copy of System 10.7 (Lion) and put it on a DVD or a FlashDrive (ThumbDrive.)
>
> Take a look at:
>
> http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
>
> which shows how to get a copy of "Lion DiskMaker".
>
> earle
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk bobstermcbob
Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:26 pm (PST)
On 19 Jan 2012, at 8:12pm, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> A step back in comfort and ease of use perhaps is the better way to word it.
… and still just your point of view, and not one I agree with. I don't consider it particularly 'comfortable' to have to lug around an optical drive with my macbook pro that I have essentially no use for. A cheap commodity USB external drive I can leave at home covers the rare occasion I need one.
> If u make the thumb drive, u get only a very basic reinstall from it.
which is all you need, if you aim is to be able to recreate your lion system in case of drive failure.
> Not the way it shipped when you open it from the box.
Really ? AFAIK, it will recreate it precisely as it was new ? At least thats my understanding.
> When youre stuck with low connectivity, u know what stickiness can mean
no idea what you mean by 'stickiness' in this context…
Chris
p.s. its 'you' not 'u'. Please lets not degrade ourselves to text-speak here ;)
>
> Regards,
> Arjun
> blowtrumpet.com
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 20-Jan-2012, at 1:10, Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 19, 12, at 10:16 AM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
>>
>>> i know its a perfect world for some folks out there. but for those its not, not having the discs / thumb drive can really be very very frustrating indeed. its the first time in the history of apple that apple has taken such a drastic step back from the way the world accepts usability of software.
>>
>> *
>> A step back?
>>
>> Or perhaps a step forward to the way that all systems will be delivered in the future.
>>
>> You can make a bootable copy of System 10.7 (Lion) and put it on a DVD or a FlashDrive (ThumbDrive.)
>>
>> Take a look at:
>>
>> http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
>>
>> which shows how to get a copy of "Lion DiskMaker".
>>
>> earle
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>> 501 Portola Road #8008
>> Portola Valley CA 94028
>> Home: 650-424-4362
>> Cell: 650-269-0035
>> earle.jones@comcast.net
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:11 pm (PST)
> not having the discs / thumb drive can really be very very frustrating indeed.
> its the first time in the history of apple that apple has taken such a drastic step back from the way the world accepts usability of software.
Hardly.
They "stepped back" form the command line interface in 1984.
They "stepped back" from the mandatory floppy drive in 1998.
They "stepped back" from the mandatory optical drive in 2008.
Apple is *KNOWN* for changing paradigms in computing. They've done it again.
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:39 pm (PST)
On Jan 19, 2012, at 7:31 AM, André Boey wrote:
> >> Is it true that new Macs with Lion preinstalled no longer ship
> with a physical system disc?
Correct. In fact, there are no OEM "system disks" of any kind for
Lion available anywhere. It is only available via download or on a
USB flash drive.
> If so, I'm guessing it's possible to burn one from the Recovery
> partition? You know, in case one has to replace or reformat the
> hard drive.
Article: Apple offers a tool to create an OS X Lion recovery/
installation external drive
http://is.gd/jO8po4
OS X Lion: About Lion Recovery Disk Assistant
http://support.apple.com/ kb/HT4848
Download Lion Recovery Disk Assistant:
http://support.apple.com/ kb/DL1433
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
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Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:29 pm (PST)
On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> > not having the discs / thumb drive can really be very very frustrating indeed.
> > its the first time in the history of apple that apple has taken such a drastic step back from the way the world accepts usability of software.
>
> Hardly.
>
> They "stepped back" form the command line interface in 1984.
>
> They "stepped back" from the mandatory floppy drive in 1998.
>
> They "stepped back" from the mandatory optical drive in 2008.
>
> Apple is *KNOWN* for changing paradigms in computing. They've done it again.
Yeah, I really miss SCSI voodoo! NOT!
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:34 am (PST)
stickiness means using 4 mbps connection for 68 hours to unsuccessfully download Lion, and pay Rs. 12000 for the usage (approx $250). You need to pay the ISP bills irrespective of a successful or unsuccessful download. And this was on a home use connection. On a SOHO connection, it would be more than the cost of the laptop itself.
I know it's impossible for people to "empathize" until their fingers are actually burnt.
Im cutting my contributions to this thread here.
On 20-Jan-2012, at 1:56 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
> On 19 Jan 2012, at 8:12pm, Arjun Singhal wrote:
>
> > A step back in comfort and ease of use perhaps is the better way to word it.
>
> … and still just your point of view, and not one I agree with. I don't consider it particularly 'comfortable' to have to lug around an optical drive with my macbook pro that I have essentially no use for. A cheap commodity USB external drive I can leave at home covers the rare occasion I need one.
>
> > If u make the thumb drive, u get only a very basic reinstall from it.
>
> which is all you need, if you aim is to be able to recreate your lion system in case of drive failure.
>
> > Not the way it shipped when you open it from the box.
>
> Really ? AFAIK, it will recreate it precisely as it was new ? At least thats my understanding.
>
> > When youre stuck with low connectivity, u know what stickiness can mean
>
> no idea what you mean by 'stickiness' in this context…
>
> Chris
>
> p.s. its 'you' not 'u'. Please lets not degrade ourselves to text-speak here ;)
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Arjun
> > blowtrumpet.com
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On 20-Jan-2012, at 1:10, Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Jan 19, 12, at 10:16 AM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> >>
> >>> i know its a perfect world for some folks out there. but for those its not, not having the discs / thumb drive can really be very very frustrating indeed. its the first time in the history of apple that apple has taken such a drastic step back from the way the world accepts usability of software.
> >>
> >> *
> >> A step back?
> >>
> >> Or perhaps a step forward to the way that all systems will be delivered in the future.
> >>
> >> You can make a bootable copy of System 10.7 (Lion) and put it on a DVD or a FlashDrive (ThumbDrive.)
> >>
> >> Take a look at:
> >>
> >> http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
> >>
> >> which shows how to get a copy of "Lion DiskMaker".
> >>
> >> earle
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> >> _____________________ __
> >> Earle Jones
> >> 501 Portola Road #8008
> >> Portola Valley CA 94028
> >> Home: 650-424-4362
> >> Cell: 650-269-0035
> >> earle.jones@comcast.net
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk bobstermcbob
Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:47 am (PST)
On 20/01/12 09:34, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> stickiness means using 4 mbps connection for 68 hours to unsuccessfully download Lion, and pay Rs. 12000 for the usage (approx $250). You need to pay the ISP bills irrespective of a successful or unsuccessful download. And this was on a home use connection. On a SOHO connection, it would be more than the cost of the laptop itself.
>
> I know it's impossible for people to "empathize" until their fingers are actually burnt.
I do understand your point about those on poor network connections. If
your connect is so poor though, why are you bothering to try to download
it at all ?
- If you aim is just to create a backup recovery for an already
running Lion system, just use the tool to create this from your system
http://support.apple.com/ kb/HT4848
much smaller download.
- If your aim is to get Lion in the first place, why just get a USB
from Apple to start with. Either from a local Apple store, or order one
online from the APple site, e.g.
http://store.apple.com/ us/product/ MD256Z/A
$69, much cheaper than the $250 you claim you are spending to download
it ;)
>
> Im cutting my contributions to this thread here.
>
> On 20-Jan-2012, at 1:56 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> On 19 Jan 2012, at 8:12pm, Arjun Singhal wrote:
>>
>>> A step back in comfort and ease of use perhaps is the better way to word it.
>>
>> … and still just your point of view, and not one I agree with. I don't consider it particularly 'comfortable' to have to lug around an optical drive with my macbook pro that I have essentially no use for. A cheap commodity USB external drive I can leave at home covers the rare occasion I need one.
>>
>>> If u make the thumb drive, u get only a very basic reinstall from it.
>>
>> which is all you need, if you aim is to be able to recreate your lion system in case of drive failure.
>>
>>> Not the way it shipped when you open it from the box.
>>
>> Really ? AFAIK, it will recreate it precisely as it was new ? At least thats my understanding.
>>
>>> When youre stuck with low connectivity, u know what stickiness can mean
>>
>> no idea what you mean by 'stickiness' in this context…
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> p.s. its 'you' not 'u'. Please lets not degrade ourselves to text-speak here ;)
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Arjun
>>> blowtrumpet.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 20-Jan-2012, at 1:10, Earle Jones<earle.jones@comcast.net > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 19, 12, at 10:16 AM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i know its a perfect world for some folks out there. but for those its not, not having the discs / thumb drive can really be very very frustrating indeed. its the first time in the history of apple that apple has taken such a drastic step back from the way the world accepts usability of software.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> A step back?
>>>>
>>>> Or perhaps a step forward to the way that all systems will be delivered in the future.
>>>>
>>>> You can make a bootable copy of System 10.7 (Lion) and put it on a DVD or a FlashDrive (ThumbDrive.)
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at:
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
>>>>
>>>> which shows how to get a copy of "Lion DiskMaker".
>>>>
>>>> earle
>>>> *
>>>> _____________________ __
>>>> Earle Jones
>>>> 501 Portola Road #8008
>>>> Portola Valley CA 94028
>>>> Home: 650-424-4362
>>>> Cell: 650-269-0035
>>>> earle.jones@comcast.net
>>>>
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:54 am (PST)
When you step back from command line interface - GUI is easier to use
When you step back from floppy drive, the CD ROM is easier to use
When you step back from an optical drive, flash drives and hard drives are easier to use - but if you're working with clients - either you provide them their data on thumb drives and burn your fingers again with accidental erasure and data loss (optical drives are more secure)
and lastly, now you depend on the cloud based on a solid gigabit based internet connection in the laboratory, and expect people to have those connections in developing economies.
numbers speak for themselves - those customers who've led a fortunate life on the internet are big in number, but the growth area is from countries where internet is still developing. most indian offices, market places and malls, even in the most developed cities don't have wi-fi even today. the coffee shops too are dry without any wifi. In five star hotels, 256kbps connectivity comes at an approximate price of $40 a day, and they limit use to a single computer usually with a cable connection in every room. Some have wi-fi but the signal is patchy. In my small office, that spans across about 6000 sq feet, I get a 1 Mbps connection at a phenomenal cost, which ties to two airport extremes and four airport express base stations and one time capsule connected with cables, to ensure we have consistent network strength across the walls that are made of bricks and cement.
Although technology advances, but its not sustainable until there's seamless ability to apply it in every application. I've been using wifi since 2001. I've always found it as an alternative to tethering it, but the cable always remains to be an essential. I still can't see a stable connection of the gigabit capacity being delivered wirelessly. The moment you transfer heavy files wirelessly, it crumbles.
And lastly, although I fully acknowledge that there is an alternative to creating a thumb drive with the recovery partition, the procedure isn't simple enough for common people like myself to understand. when the EULA says you are "purchasing the license" to use the software on your laptop - you should be able to use it without so much hassle of downloading stuff.
Apple sells approximately $50 M worth of laptops each year from every sales outlet in New Delhi. That amount of sales are underwritten on every contract here with the authorised resellers. Yet they have made it a choice not to sell the Lion thumb drives. You have to see the number of people walking in every day asking for these. And they are just not available here.
I haven't checked the grey markets for the thumb drives, but I am sure there'll be travelers who'll carry them in and sell them for a small premium since Apple doesn't want to officially sell them.
On 20-Jan-2012, at 5:41 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> > not having the discs / thumb drive can really be very very frustrating indeed.
> > its the first time in the history of apple that apple has taken such a drastic step back from the way the world accepts usability of software.
>
> Hardly.
>
> They "stepped back" form the command line interface in 1984.
>
> They "stepped back" from the mandatory floppy drive in 1998.
>
> They "stepped back" from the mandatory optical drive in 2008.
>
> Apple is *KNOWN* for changing paradigms in computing. They've done it again.
>
> --
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:57 am (PST)
I spent a week trying to figure out how to create the Lion thumb drive myself, but it turned out the installation drive was hidden. I already shared the "command line" commands i used to finally get to it. And now I am using a laptop that doesn't have iLife on it, and the App Store says I need to purchase those applications, even though they shipped with the laptop originally.
It's time like these you feel things are such a rip-off. I know a lot of people spend a few thousand dollars each month on the App Store, and it doesn't make a difference to them to download and pay for stuff again, and they point fingers at people who raise a voice. But that's that.
On 20-Jan-2012, at 12:59 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
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> On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
> > > not having the discs / thumb drive can really be very very frustrating indeed.
> > > its the first time in the history of apple that apple has taken such a drastic step back from the way the world accepts usability of software.
> >
> > Hardly.
> >
> > They "stepped back" form the command line interface in 1984.
> >
> > They "stepped back" from the mandatory floppy drive in 1998.
> >
> > They "stepped back" from the mandatory optical drive in 2008.
> >
> > Apple is *KNOWN* for changing paradigms in computing. They've done it again.
>
> Yeah, I really miss SCSI voodoo! NOT!
>
>
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:01 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:47 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
> - If you aim is just to create a backup recovery for an already
> running Lion system, just use the tool to create this from your system
>
> http://support.apple.com/ kb/HT4848
Using the resultant partition/device that this creates still necessitates downloading the main portion of Lion from Apple. This is true of the recovery partition as well. See;
http://support.apple.com/ kb/HT4718
This is why I prefer creating a 4gb disc/card/drive using Lion Diskmaker. Everything is on the image that is created, and nothing must be downloaded.
Lion Diskmaker:
http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk bobstermcbob
Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:09 am (PST)
On 20/01/12 10:01, Harry Flaxman wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:47 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> - If you aim is just to create a backup recovery for an already
>> running Lion system, just use the tool to create this from your system
>>
>> http://support.apple.com/ kb/HT4848
>
> Using the resultant partition/device that this creates still necessitates downloading the main portion of Lion from Apple. This is true of the recovery partition as well. See;
>
>
> http://support.apple.com/ kb/HT4718
Thanks, didn't realise that.
>
>
>
> This is why I prefer creating a 4gb disc/card/drive using Lion Diskmaker. Everything is on the image that is created, and nothing must be downloaded.
>
> Lion Diskmaker:
>
> http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
Indeed.
My personal backup/recovery method is to use SuperDuper! to create an
exact sync of my system drive on an external disk, that I update every
now and then. This approach has the advantage that absolutely everything
on your system is there, system, applications and data. Everything. If
you either need to recover your system, you simple boot from it, and
rerun SUperDuper! to sync everything back to the system disk. I used
this method when I wanted to upgrade the system disk on my macbook pro.
Worked a treat.
Chris
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Re: Physical system discs
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:13 am (PST)
On Jan 20, 2012, at 5:09 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
> My personal backup/recovery method is to use SuperDuper! to create an
> exact sync of my system drive on an external disk, that I update every
> now and then. This approach has the advantage that absolutely everything
> on your system is there, system, applications and data. Everything. If
> you either need to recover your system, you simple boot from it, and
> rerun SUperDuper! to sync everything back to the system disk. I used
> this method when I wanted to upgrade the system disk on my macbook pro.
> Worked a treat.
Right! I do the same. I hade SD update every 12 hours. Pretty quick and easy. I prefer this rather than every day or two as the smart update takes longer. I have used a SD recovery card created with Lion Diskmaker to do a clean install of 10.7.2, and then have migrated back from the clone.
Works rather well. I have made a recovery thumb drive as a backup with Apple's utility, just in case.
I do notice that if I've recovered by just using SuperDuper to erase and copy back from the clone, the original recovery partition seems to 'go away'. This is a nuisance, thus my use of redundancy in having a way to recover should I lose everything!
Harry
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Re: Replace Ventura Publisher
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:22 pm (PST)
Howdy.
You are not "butting" in. Opinions welcome! I think that's what the
original poster was looking for.
Denver Dan
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:32:47 -0800, Earle Jones wrote:
> On Jan 19, 12, at 9:59 AM, Rick Branscomb wrote:
>
>> Pages, unless you're into really heavy-duty professional-type
>> publishing. In which case you'll need inDesign or Quark--big $$$$
>> On Jan 19, 2012, at 11:54 AM, RLN37 wrote:
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>>> When I was in the Windows world I used Ventura Publisher for a lot
>>> of desktop publishing chores. Now I have moved to the Mac, and I
>>> need a hint about how to replace Ventura. I'd appreciate any
>>> suggestions.
>
> *
> Sorry to butt in here. "In Design" is an Adobe program that today
> sells for $700. It is really a professional desktop publishing
> system. I understand that it is well integrated with their "Creative
> Suite" CS 5.5, which costs another $700.
>
> You should try "Pages" in Mac System 10.7 and see whether it will do
> the job for you. I use it to produce our 12-page newsletter every
> month, with many pictures, color, big titles, etc. Pages is much
> easier to use than MS Word, which is so overloaded with "features"
> that it is difficult to use -- long learning curve.
>
> "Pages" is included in the $70 "iWork" package, together with
> "Numbers" (the spread-sheet program) and "Keynote" (the presentation
> (powerpoint-like) program.)
>
> You can get "Pages" separately for, I think, $20.
>
> Good luck!
>
> earle
> *
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Re: Replace Ventura Publisher
Posted by: "Jurgen Richter" yahoo-1@sympatico.ca epsongroups
Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:28 pm (PST)
Denver Dan's info is pretty clear...
The bottom line is how you are producing the final printed piece. The
commercial printers virtually all use InDesign, Quark or Acrobat
generated files. The other apps are not mainstream in the day to day
print world, though there are other publishing programs such as
FrameMaker, et al., that are installed in larger co-operative publishing
businesses.
Just to correct Earle, InDesign is indeed a free-standing application,
but it is also PART of the Creative Suite line from Adobe. If you buy
the Suite it comes with it; you do not need to buy it separately. If you
don't need or want the other components, then you CAN buy it by itself.
Yes, it's about $700 by itself. (Prices are in U$ dollars and will vary
with your country and any specials the vendors may have going). The
upgrade is around $200, even coming from PageMaker ["RageMaker" - ;^) ].
Creative Suite 5.5, retails for about $1260, Upgrades from about $560.
Adobe is trying to capture more of the market by offering various
upgrade paths from earlier versions and competing and obsolete product.
Word has it that Creative Suite 6 is coming later this year, but current
is 5.5. There will be a tiered upgrade price when it comes out,
depending then on the version you currently have at the time.
Quark is just as aggressive in its upgrade options, and you can get the
current one for around $299 from ANY earlier version.
The decision as to what to get lies on whether you need any of the other
integrated components, such as Illustrator, Photoshop or Acrobat, which
would be "cheaper" to acquire in the suite. If you don't see yourself
using them, then a free-standing app. is fine. Personally I have CS5.5
and Quark, as a client had files they needed to update. Will I go to
Quark 9? Probably not, unless another client requires it, and the
budget/project is big enough to merit the "investment"/expense.
If you do not plan to send your files out for commercial printing then
any of the lower-end "publishing" packages and apps could be sufficient.
I've seen people use Word to print their own little newsletters...
It then comes down to features and budget.
The best advice I can give is, try before you buy. Most of these
professional applications have 30-day trials available for download. If
you have not worked with them before, expect a fairly steep learning
curve. If you like something you tried, consider going to a local school
and take the courses. You may then be able to purchase an Educational
version at reduced price. I'm not sure you can upgrade to a regular
commercial package at much reduced price later, but that is up to the
software vendors' rules and policy... check that out too, before you
purchase anything!
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Re: Replace Ventura Publisher
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:20 pm (PST)
>> Pages, unless you're into really heavy-duty professional-type publishing. In which case you'll need inDesign or Quark--big $$$$
> Sorry to butt in here. "In Design" is an Adobe program that today sells for $700. It is really a professional desktop publishing system. I understand that it is well integrated with their "Creative Suite" CS 5.5, which costs another $700.
Pagestream is a small-developer program which is also a professional desktop publishing program, and is currently available for a variety of operating systems, including Windows, Linux, Macintosh, and Amiga. The software was originally released under the name Publishing Partner for the Atari ST in 1986. It costs no more than $150. $100 for the "Standard" edition.
<http://www.pagestream.org/?action= >Store
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Re: Replace Ventura Publisher
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:19 pm (PST)
On Jan 19, 2012, at 8:54 AM, RLN37 wrote:
> When I was in the Windows world I used Ventura Publisher for a lot
> of desktop publishing chores. Now I have moved to the Mac, and I
> need a hint about how to replace Ventura. I'd appreciate any
> suggestions.
If you want a high-end DTP program, there is:
InDesign
http://www.adobe.com/products/ indesign. html
QuarkXPress
http://www.quark.com/Products/ QuarkXPress/
If you want something that is less expensive, there are a bunch of
choices:
Create (currently on sale for $149, usually $695)
http://www.stone.com/Create/ Create.html
Scribus FREE
http://www.scribus.net/index. php?name= Sections& req=viewarticle& artid=3
DesktopPublisher Pro (formerly called MacPublisher Pro) $20
http://www.metisinternational. com/PubPro. html
(I suspect that this won't run under Lion.)
Swift Publisher $45
http://www.belightsoft.com/products /swiftpublisher/ overview. php
iCalamus (129 Euros)
http://www.icalamus.net/icalamus/ index.php? lan=en
Pagestream ($99 or $149 depending on version)
http://www.pagestream.org/
Pages (part of Apple's iWork) $79
http://www.apple.com/iwork/
http://www.apple.com/iwork/ pages/
http://store.apple.com/ us/product/ MB942Z/A/ iWork-09
Creator Desktop $100
http://www.creatorsoftware.com/ products/ creator_desktop/
Ready, Set, Go! $175
http://diwan.com/ready/ prsg.htm
(Lion version not due until March.)
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
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Re: Replace Ventura Publisher
Posted by: "Josephine Bacon" bacon@langservice.com baconandeggs_2001
Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:42 pm (PST)
Jurgen's advice is excellent but I would have thought that even using
a cheaper design program such as Pages, you could turn the files into
pdfs, and all commercial printers accept pdfs.
Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations
197 Kings Cross Road
London WC1X 9DB
Tel: 020 7 278 9490
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Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal
Posted by: "Christopher Collins" maclist@analogdigital.com.au cjc1959au
Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:43 pm (PST)
To answer your question directly, the majority of us do not use Address Book and iCal to address your Tax Office example.
Simple. End of story.
cjc
On 20/01/2012, at 3:52 AM, Larson wrote:
>
> On 19.01.2012, at 16:13, Forrest Leedy wrote:
>
>> Anna, you have been told many times that the program that Apple has included in there OS is fine for many of us.
>
> That is exactly the reason why I asked you how *you* use the AddressBook and iCal in the scenario we are talking about (the Tax Office example.)
>
>> What is it exactly you want us to do.
>
> Stick to the point and answer the question I posed to you. We are not talking anymore about CRM software (which I personally use to solve the problem, i.e. I use Daylite), we are talking about tricks and methods people here have developed to tie the various loose strings in the scenario.
>
> Brent (N. A. Nada) told us he uses Excel and Numbers to solve the problem and keep things under control. Now, pull yourself together and tell us how *you* do it. If you have nothing constructive to offer then it�s best for you to back out. This is a friendly list and we are exchanging tips not "complaining", as you call it, which shows clearly that you are missing the point.
>
>
> Anna
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Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:20 pm (PST)
On Jan 19, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Larson wrote:
>
> On 19.01.2012, at 08:57, Christopher Collins wrote:
>
>>
>> Find one that suits you rather than wasting time constantly talking about the things iCal & Address Book can't, and were never designed, to do.
>
> You still don�t seem to get the point, it is the innate *nature* of these programs that they store information that MUST be LINKED, otherwise they are utterly USELESS, and that�s what I find aggravating and unprofessional beyond description.
>
> Lastly, we the users are paying for this junk, whether we want it or not. Declaring it as a "freebie" is more than irrational.
Why must they be linked?
What did you pay for iCal and Address Book?
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Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:22 pm (PST)
On Jan 19, 2012, at 6:50 AM, Larson wrote:
>
> On 19.01.2012, at 09:02, N.A. Nada wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Now I ask you Brent, how will you do this with AddressBook and iCal?
>>
>> I don't do that with Address Book or iCal. I do it with notes taken, previously in Excel, and now in Numbers.
>
>
> That�s indeed an unusual approach, but if it suits you then it�s fine.
I can't stand Word. Worst app I have ever seen. If you don't want to use a spreadsheet use TextEdit, another free Apple app. When taking notes in a spreadsheet I only use 2 or 3 columns. Basically, it is an indented chronological list.
>
>> Actually, you could do all of your scenario in iCal with the notes field.
>
> I don�t understand exactly how you could enter that in the note field in iCal. Would you enter the contacts telephone number and address in that field as well as the emails you have sent and received from the contact plus the corresponding dates? I really can�t imagine that.
>
>> Harder to access than one of my spreadsheets, but do-able.
>
> How?
There is a note field in iCal, but it is a lousy way to go. It is tiny and there is no overview.
Why enter a phone number into iCal, you can't dial from iCal. Record the number in your notes (elsewhere) until you create a new entry in Address Book. The notes in my iCal are only a line or two. Especially since there is no overview.
>
>
>>
>> The steno pads are more of a chron file of everything, while the spreadsheets are single issue. If I need to refer to a document or email, the file name and document (email) name are listed in the notes.
>
> Couldn�t you post a screen shot?
Nope, too much personal info. Just imagine what you would write down on paper. Pretty much what you wrote in your example. I use iCal to remind me of meetings and deadlines, and to document the same after the fact.
Or use something like Daylite or Evernote. I suppose you could use Bento, it has an iCal Events library that it automatically populates. Or create a new library.
I'm cheap and like to Keep It Simple, Sam, so I use what I already have. I moved to Numbers when moving to Lion to avoid the expense of having to buy MS Office, just to get Excel. I'm a big list keeper and so I copy some of my Numbers spreadsheet over to my iPhone. I just wished it would sync like I could do with Excel and Docs to Go, but working any spreadsheet on an iPhone is a PITA, because of the size of the screen. Although, I could switch over to Notes.app as it syncs for simple lists. I keep my shopping list in Notes.app and update it from both the iPhone and my MBP.
Brent
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Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:04 am (PST)
On 20 January 2012 07:22, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>
> I can't stand Word. Worst app I have ever seen. If you don't want to use a
> spreadsheet use TextEdit, another free Apple app. When taking notes in a
> spreadsheet I only use 2 or 3 columns. Basically, it is an indented
> chronological list.
>
>
> There is a note field in iCal, but it is a lousy way to go. It is tiny and
> there is no overview.
>
> Why enter a phone number into iCal, you can't dial from iCal. Record the
> number in your notes (elsewhere) until you create a new entry in Address
> Book. The notes in my iCal are only a line or two. Especially since there
> is no overview.
>
> Nope, too much personal info. Just imagine what you would write down on
> paper. Pretty much what you wrote in your example. I use iCal to remind me
> of meetings and deadlines, and to document the same after the fact.
>
> Or use something like Daylite or Evernote. I suppose you could use Bento,
> it has an iCal Events library that it automatically populates. Or create a
> new library.
>
> I'm cheap and like to Keep It Simple, Sam, so I use what I already have. I
> moved to Numbers when moving to Lion to avoid the expense of having to buy
> MS Office, just to get Excel. I'm a big list keeper and so I copy some of
> my Numbers spreadsheet over to my iPhone. I just wished it would sync like
> I could do with Excel and Docs to Go, but working any spreadsheet on an
> iPhone is a PITA, because of the size of the screen. Although, I could
> switch over to Notes.app as it syncs for simple lists. I keep my shopping
> list in Notes.app and update it from both the iPhone and my MBP.
>
I'm with you on most of that, but don't forget you can link to attachments
and "attendees" in iCal.
Also, why can't you sync Numbers to the iPhone? Do you not have the iOS
version of Numbers?
Otto
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Re: redoing fonts ???
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:09 pm (PST)
> On 2012 January 17 (at 22:43) John Engberg wrote:
>
>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Oneal Neumann wrote:
>>
>> A favored font is Chalkduster, which only has (so far) a regular version.
>>
>> Is there any way to produce bold? Thanx. Oneal
>
> You obviously have nothing to do and all day to do it.
>
> Why would you want to ruin Chalkduster (which is one of my all time favorite fonts) by making it bold? Chalkduster doesn't have a bold, it only comes in regular only, if you look at it in FontBook. It is basically bold to begin with.
>
> Take a course in typography and figure out how to create it yourself, if you want to make it heavier. John Engberg
>
I had a good chuckle reading this, John. Thanx for it. � \�:
I see your point about Chalkduster (in larger-point size). It is rather broad.
Would you have had the same opinion were Chalkduster not one of your faves?
Calli/typography did wonders for Steve Jobs. Maybe that�s the way to go. Oneal
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Re: three-double-zero
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:09 pm (PST)
> On 2012 January 17 (at 22:41) Arjun Singhal wrote:
>
> Under good maintenance, the life of a macbook pro battery is about 1000 full charge-discharge cycles. For ordinary laptops it is said to be about 300 cycles
>
> Regards, Arjun
>
Good to know, Arjun. I think that it was Michel Munger who posted a piece (perhaps a year ago) on how to maintain one�s battery. Thanx. Oneal
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Re: ID theft
Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net mstupinski
Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:06 pm (PST)
That's interesting, because a couple of years ago I tried to use a
MasterCard gift card at the Apple Store (bricks & mortar store) and
was told they couldn't accept it because my name wasn't imprinted on it.
...........Mike
On Jan 17, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Blaine Gordon wrote:
> I am one of the victims of ID theft. It was on the news that tablets
> and phones were the easiest for hackers to hack. My stolen debit
> card was only used to make purchases through the Apple store. I
> emailed billing and the charges where removed. My bank was also
> notified and they cancelled my debit card and reissued a new one.
> The interesting thing is that Apple suggested that I not use a
> credit or debit card but instead buy myself gift cards to handle my
> purchases. They are readily available at most grocery stores and
> Walmart. I have been doing this for a while and haven't had any
> unexpected large purchases anywhere. It is likely that 99.percent of
> users on Apple are safe but for the 1 percent like me, gift
> cards.are a good solution.
> Blaine Gordon
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral. >com/policies/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Re: ID theft
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:37 pm (PST)
On Jan 19, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Michael P. Stupinski wrote:
> That's interesting, because a couple of years ago I tried to use a
> MasterCard gift card at the Apple Store (bricks & mortar store) and
> was told they couldn't accept it because my name wasn't imprinted on it.
>
> ...........Mike
>
> On Jan 17, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Blaine Gordon wrote:
>
>> I am one of the victims of ID theft. It was on the news that tablets
>> and phones were the easiest for hackers to hack. My stolen debit
>> card was only used to make purchases through the Apple store. I
>> emailed billing and the charges where removed. My bank was also
>> notified and they cancelled my debit card and reissued a new one.
>> The interesting thing is that Apple suggested that I not use a
>> credit or debit card but instead buy myself gift cards to handle my
>> purchases. They are readily available at most grocery stores and
>> Walmart. I have been doing this for a while and haven't had any
>> unexpected large purchases anywhere. It is likely that 99.percent of
>> users on Apple are safe but for the 1 percent like me, gift
>> cards.are a good solution.
>> Blaine Gordon
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> --------------------- --------- ------
>>
>> Group FAQ:
>> <http://www.macsupportcentral. >com/policies/
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
They're very careful about identity. Try to pick up any hardware either after repair, or ordered for sale and picking up, without ID. Can't and won't happen, unless you have the repair order, or a printed receipt, and THEN, even so.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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