Messages In This Digest (20 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: iMessage problem From: N.A. Nada
- 1.2.
- Re: iMessage problem From: Jim Saklad
- 1.3.
- Re: iMessage problem From: Carol Corley
- 1.4.
- Re: iMessage problem From: Nick Andriash
- 1.5.
- Re: iMessage problem From: whiterabbit32
- 1.6.
- Re: iMessage problem From: whiterabbit32
- 1.7.
- Re: iMessage problem From: Oesman Suryata
- 2a.
- Re: imessage From: Devitt
- 2b.
- Re: imessage From: whiterabbit32
- 2c.
- Re: imessage From: whiterabbit32
- 3a.
- i-messages From: Ellen
- 3b.
- i-messages From: Ellen
- 3c.
- Re: i-messages From: Jim Saklad
- 3d.
- Re: i-messages From: Mark Mucher
- 3e.
- Re: i-messages From: whiterabbit32
- 3f.
- Re: i-messages From: Jim Saklad
- 3g.
- Re: i-messages From: Jim Saklad
- 4a.
- i-message From: Ellen
- 4b.
- Re: i-message From: Jim Saklad
- 5.
- iPhone 4S Now “In Stock†in Apple Online Stores From: Bill Boulware
Messages
- 1.1.
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Re: iMessage problem
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:00 am (PST)
On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
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> > Texting is not part of AT&T's or Verizon's data plans, it is part of their texting plans.
> >
> > And if she is connected by WiFi, then with iMessage on, then if she is texting with someone else with iOS 5, then she is not using any of her cell phone texting plan.
> >
> > For most people in North America, their home internet connection is cheaper than cellular texting, and if they are using a public WiFi hotspot, then it is free. In 99% of the cases, it is cheaper than cellular texting.
> >
> > Brent
>
> I'm afraid I still can't see the 1%
> when is it NOT cheaper?
Some people are on very limited data plans, some Canadians pay more that us in the US, people traveling that have to pay for WiFi use at Starbucks, airports and hotels. I'm sure there are some limited cases where it would run more than 20 cents a message.
Brent
- 1.2.
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Re: iMessage problem
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:53 am (PST)
>> I'm afraid I still can't see the 1%.
>> When is it NOT cheaper?
>
> Some people are on very limited data plans, some Canadians pay more that us in the US, people traveling that have to pay for WiFi use at Starbucks, airports and hotels. I'm sure there are some limited cases where it would run more than 20 cents a message.
> Brent
Among the most limited data plans available, at least in the USA, is $15 for 200 megabytes of data.
10,000 full-length 160-character messages use up 1,600,000 Bytes, or 1.6 megabytes of data.
On the above-named plan, that would cost the user 12 cents.
Let me repeat: TEN THOUSAND full-length messages cost TWELVE CENTS.
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- 1.3.
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Re: iMessage problem
Posted by: "Carol Corley" floridabouvs@gmail.com floridabouvs
Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:54 am (PST)
Why is it sometimes green and sometimes blue between 2 iPhones using iOS5?
It's annoying to get charged when I text my husband or other family members
who have iPhones.
Carol
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- 1.4.
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Re: iMessage problem
Posted by: "Nick Andriash" medic65@telus.net andriash2005
Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:01 am (PST)
On 2012-01-29, at 10:14 AM, Ellen wrote:
> OK, I found a preference and turned off iMessage because everytime I thought I was texting my son, it was iMessage and it was using data which is same as using my date since he is on my plan. Very confusing if you ask me.
Ellen, a true iMessage between two individuals who have iOS5 devices will appear in blue on your iPhone, and they are absolutely free, which is very similar to Blackberry Messenger, which is also free between Blackberry Users. It is the SMS messages that cost you.
Nick
- 1.5.
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Re: iMessage problem
Posted by: "whiterabbit32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com lwr0032
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:33 pm (PST)
All iPhones that are upgraded to iOS 5 can use iMessage when turned on on the individual iPhones. Are all the iPhones you text to have iMessage turned on?
Alice
Sent from my iPad 2
On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Carol Corley <floridabouvs@gmail.com > wrote:
> Why is it sometimes green and sometimes blue between 2 iPhones using iOS5?
> It's annoying to get charged when I text my husband or other family members
> who have iPhones.
> Carol
>
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- 1.6.
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Re: iMessage problem
Posted by: "whiterabbit32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com lwr0032
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:55 pm (PST)
iMessage is only between iPhones that use iOS 5. If the send button is green, it is an SMS and uses your text plan no matter if you are on wifi or not. If the send button is blue, you are using iMessage and it will use your data plan no matter if you are on wifi or 3G. You can remember what service your text is using this way blue=iMessage/data plan green=text message/text plan.
Alice
Sent from my iPad 2
On Jan 28, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Ellen <itasara@rochester.rr.com > wrote:
> <<imessage is an Apple message system that sends messages between iPhones
> and iPads as data. They do not count against your SMS messages. I message
> will work over WiFi when you do not have a cell signal. When you send a
> message, SMS will be green and iMessage will be blue.>>
>
> SMS is sent as a "Short Message Service" text, using your text plan.
>
> iMessage is sent as data (140 characters = 140 bytes) using your data plan.
>
> Thanks for the information. I didn't know that. I have unlimited text so I I may not have noticed it, although I did notice the change of colors and wondered where they came from.. Has this difference been going on a long time?
>
> In other words, let me see if I get this: It is still confusing to me.
> If I use WIFI, I am using SMS is that correct?
> Even if I use WIFI, but I'm texting a non apple user is it still SMS? or is it I message.
> If one of my family members is on my contract with AT&T but uses an Android phone, are our messages
> not SMS? (I suppose it doesn't matter if we have unlimited family text, but I'm still wondering.)
> If I am using the G3 network it becomes Imessage, is that correct and uses up the data plan?
> If I am using the G3 network when I am out of the house, but am texting to an apple user, is it still sms or is it imessage?
>
> How many people understand this? Was it announced somewhere? When did this differentiation in texting start?
> This is as easy to understand as my phone bill or cable bill. How do we know really what we are paying for?
>
> Ellen
>
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- 1.7.
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Re: iMessage problem
Posted by: "Oesman Suryata" oesmansuryata@rocketmail.com oesmansuryata@rocketmail.com
Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:58 pm (PST)
Hi Carol,
To make sure you'll send an iMessage not an SMS, you should turn off 'send as SMS' setting.
Sent from my mobile device
-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Corley <floridabouvs@gmail.com >
Sender: apple-iphone@yahoogroups. com
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:45:14
To: <apple-iphone@yahoogroups. >com
Reply-To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [apple-iphone] re: iMessage problem
Why is it sometimes green and sometimes blue between 2 iPhones using iOS5?
It's annoying to get charged when I text my husband or other family members
who have iPhones.
Carol
- 2a.
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Re: imessage
Posted by: "Devitt" devittad@comcast.net devittad
Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:37 am (PST)
iMessage is a big plus for me, too. I'm grandfathered in on AT&T's $5/200 texts. Now that my daughter and best friend have iDevices, I can text freely and don't have to worry about overages. If anyone is ripping people off for texting, it's AT&T, Verizon and the other carriers. Texts take up ridiculously small amounts of data, yet they charge up the wazoo for them. iMessage is a perk not a problem.
Cathy
Sent from my iPad
> Where did you get the idea that iMessage, a free service, is ripping people off?
>
> It's actually saving me money as now I don't need unlimited messages - just 1,000 a month ($10?)
>
> Mark
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
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> On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Ellen <itasara@rochester.rr.com > wrote:
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> > On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:44 AM, apple-iphone@yahoogroups. :comwrote
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> > >
> > > Ellen, It is part of iMessenger which was a new feature in iOS 5.
> >
> > I guess now I know it is a new thing. But this sounds like another way for someone to make more money and for the consumer to unknowingly spend more money in some cases. I don't remember reading about this when I upgraded, but it's possible it was int he fine print somewhere. I have too much to sort thru to read all the little print, but from what I did read, I saw nothing about this.
> >
> > Ellen
> >
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- 2b.
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Re: imessage
Posted by: "whiterabbit32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com lwr0032
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:38 pm (PST)
.10 a text message is ridiculous. The only person I use actual text messaging with these days is my brother, who won't upgrade to iOS 5. I use iMessage for everyone else. I've noticed that iMessage seems faster than plain texting. It's like having a real time conversation. I don't understand why one would turn it off since it would make the person your texting with have to send regular texts which uses up their number of text messages.
Alice
Sent from my iPad 2
On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:31 AM, Devitt <devittad@comcast.net > wrote:
> iMessage is a big plus for me, too. I'm grandfathered in on AT&T's $5/200 texts. Now that my daughter and best friend have iDevices, I can text freely and don't have to worry about overages. If anyone is ripping people off for texting, it's AT&T, Verizon and the other carriers. Texts take up ridiculously small amounts of data, yet they charge up the wazoo for them. iMessage is a perk not a problem.
>
> Cathy
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > Where did you get the idea that iMessage, a free service, is ripping people off?
> >
> > It's actually saving me money as now I don't need unlimited messages - just 1,000 a month ($10?)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone 4
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Ellen <itasara@rochester.rr.com > wrote:
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> > > On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:44 AM, apple-iphone@yahoogroups. :comwrote
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> > > >
> > > > Ellen, It is part of iMessenger which was a new feature in iOS 5.
> > >
> > > I guess now I know it is a new thing. But this sounds like another way for someone to make more money and for the consumer to unknowingly spend more money in some cases. I don't remember reading about this when I upgraded, but it's possible it was int he fine print somewhere. I have too much to sort thru to read all the little print, but from what I did read, I saw nothing about this.
> > >
> > > Ellen
> > >
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- 2c.
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Re: imessage
Posted by: "whiterabbit32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com lwr0032
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:48 pm (PST)
Same here. Most of my friends have iPhones. The ones I text the most use iMessage. It's a great service. I have one friend with an android. I use a text messaging app with him so the texts go over data instead of us using up our texts.
Alice
Sent from my iPad 2
On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Mark Mucher <mark.mucher@gmail.com > wrote:
> Where did you get the idea that iMessage, a free service, is ripping people off?
>
> It's actually saving me money as now I don't need unlimited messages - just 1,000 a month ($10?)
>
> Mark
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
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> On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Ellen <itasara@rochester.rr.com > wrote:
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> > On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:44 AM, apple-iphone@yahoogroups. wrote:com
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> > >
> > > Ellen, It is part of iMessenger which was a new feature in iOS 5.
> >
> > I guess now I know it is a new thing. But this sounds like another way for someone to make more money and for the consumer to unknowingly spend more money in some cases. I don't remember reading about this when I upgraded, but it's possible it was int he fine print somewhere. I have too much to sort thru to read all the little print, but from what I did read, I saw nothing about this.
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> > Ellen
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- 3a.
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i-messages
Posted by: "Ellen" itasara@rochester.rr.com itasara
Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:55 am (PST)
On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:18 AM, apple-iphone@yahoogroups. wrote:com
> > OK, I found a preference and turned off iMessage because everytime I thought I was texting my son, it was iMessage and it was using data which is same as using my date since he is on my plan. Very confusing if you ask me.
>
> Now all your texting is going against your texting plan. If you turn the iMessage option back on, and you have a WiFi connection, then you are using the WiFi internet connection, not on your phone, to send the message.
My texting does not go against my texting plan... at least it never has. My texting is unlimited to it is always 0 cost and 0 use of minutes. But when my imessage was on, two of my sons said it was a royal pain for them.
Ellen
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- 3b.
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i-messages
Posted by: "Ellen" itasara@rochester.rr.com itasara
Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:28 am (PST)
On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:18 AM, apple-iphone@yahoogroups. wrote:com
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> It's actually saving me money as now I don't need unlimited messages - just 1,000 a month ($10?)
I don't know that we are being ripped off, but if you multiply $10 by 5 family members then it becomes $50 and the $30 unlimited text at ATT is a better price.
I just think there are two many regulations these days and not enough simplification, not just on phones but everywhere.
Ellen
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- 3c.
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Re: i-messages
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:20 pm (PST)
> My texting does not go against my texting plan... at least it never has. My texting is unlimited to it is always 0 cost and 0 use of minutes. But when my imessage was on, two of my sons said it was a royal pain for them.
> Ellen
And what do you pay every month to get unlimited texting?
And on your AT&T bill, on the average, how many texts are actually sent each month?
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Re: i-messages
Posted by: "Mark Mucher" mark.mucher@gmail.com smmucher
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:27 pm (PST)
Of course that is true - family unlimited text is $30
(in a recent email you said you had unlimited texting for $0)
I'm still confused what your problem with iMessage is.
Mark
From: apple-iphone@yahoogroups. [mailto:apple-iphone@com yahoogroups. ] Oncom
Behalf Of Ellen
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:59 PM
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [apple-iphone] i-messages
On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:18 AM, apple-iphone@yahoogroups. com
<mailto:apple-iphone%40yahoogr oups.com> wrote:
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> It's actually saving me money as now I don't need unlimited messages -
just 1,000 a month ($10?)
I don't know that we are being ripped off, but if you multiply $10 by 5
family members then it becomes $50 and the $30 unlimited text at ATT is a
better price.
I just think there are two many regulations these days and not enough
simplification, not just on phones but everywhere.
Ellen
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- 3e.
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Re: i-messages
Posted by: "whiterabbit32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com lwr0032
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:30 pm (PST)
iMessage uses very little data from what I see when I look at my data usage. When at home, I'm using my home wifi, so data usage isn't a problem for me.
Alice
Sent from my iPad 2
On Jan 30, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Ellen <itasara@rochester.rr.com > wrote:
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> On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:18 AM, apple-iphone@yahoogroups. wrote:com
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> > > OK, I found a preference and turned off iMessage because everytime I thought I was texting my son, it was iMessage and it was using data which is same as using my date since he is on my plan. Very confusing if you ask me.
> >
> > Now all your texting is going against your texting plan. If you turn the iMessage option back on, and you have a WiFi connection, then you are using the WiFi internet connection, not on your phone, to send the message.
>
>
> My texting does not go against my texting plan... at least it never has. My texting is unlimited to it is always 0 cost and 0 use of minutes. But when my imessage was on, two of my sons said it was a royal pain for them.
>
> Ellen
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- 3f.
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Re: i-messages
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:33 pm (PST)
>> It's actually saving me money as now I don't need unlimited messages - just 1,000 a month ($10?)
>
> I don't know that we are being ripped off, but if you multiply $10 by 5 family members then it becomes $50 and the $30 unlimited text at ATT is a better price.
You are paying $30 every month for unlimited texting.
Formerly, if you wanted to, you could drop down to a lower level, should you choose.
Upon reviewing the AT&T Wireless website, I am reminded that there are now NO lower levels to drop down to on the Family Plan, except pay-as-you-go $0.20/message.
So, yes, you might as well stay where you are, but the costs to you of leaving iMessage ON is immeasurably small, even if non-zero.
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- 3g.
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Re: i-messages
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:46 pm (PST)
> I don't know that we are being ripped off, but if you multiply $10 by 5 family members then it becomes $50 and the $30 unlimited text at ATT is a better price.
All of us who are paying "normal" carrier rates for texts messaging are being ripped off.
Earlier, I wrote that ten thousand iMessages use no more than 1.6 megabytes of data.
Is that "unlimited"?
One message every 3 minutes, 15 hours a day, 30 days a month, is about ten thousand messages. If all five members of your Family Plan text at that rate, they will use 8.0 megabytes of data.
At AT&T's current MOST expensive data plan -- $20/month for 300 megabytes/month -- those 8 megabytes would use up 2.7% of your data allowance (if it came out of your data allowance).
[Since everyone would have to be texting essentially continuously through every waking minute all month, you wouldn't have much OTHER data expense, but that's beside the point.]
On this most expensive AT&T plan, that much data costs about 53 CENTS.
On the text plan you have chosen, you are actually PAYING $30 for those texts (or for any lesser amount of texts).
$30 for $0.53 worth of data, or less.
What was that about not being ripped off?
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- 4a.
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i-message
Posted by: "Ellen" itasara@rochester.rr.com itasara
Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:55 am (PST)
On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:18 AM, apple-iphone@yahoogroups. wrote:com
> It was announced with the introduction of iOS 5.
>
> > This is as easy to understand as my phone bill or cable bill.
>
> I am surprised your phone and cable bills are this easy to understand.
That is what I am saying, my phone bills and cable bills are not easy to understand and cable covers up a lot of their costs. So my cell phone bill is getting as ridiculous and if I want a complete accounting of our calls and expenses they will charge me even more.
Ellen
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Re: i-message
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:24 pm (PST)
>>> This is as easy to understand as my phone bill or cable bill.
>>
>> I am surprised your phone and cable bills are this easy to understand.
>
> That is what I am saying, my phone bills and cable bills are not easy to understand and cable covers up a lot of their costs. So my cell phone bill is getting as ridiculous and if I want a complete accounting of our calls and expenses they will charge me even more.
> Ellen
Right.
Phone and cable bills are complicated.
Although I can examine my AT&T Wireless bill online in complete detail.
But understanding iMessaging is easy.
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- 5.
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