Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower From: Denver Dan
- 1b.
- Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower From: Collin
- 1c.
- Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower From: Bob
- 1d.
- Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower From: Jay Abraham
- 1e.
- Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower From: Collin
- 1f.
- Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower From: Jay Abraham
- 1g.
- Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower From: Otto Nikolaus
- 2a.
- Re: Apple updates EFI Firmware on 2010 MacBook Pros, Airs and iMacs; From: neelie
- 2b.
- Re: Apple updates EFI Firmware on 2010 MacBook Pros, Airs and iMacs; From: Bill Boulware
- 3a.
- Default e-mail app From: Donna Ells
- 3b.
- Re: Default e-mail app From: Denver dan
- 3c.
- Re: Default e-mail app From: Jim Saklad
- 3d.
- Re: Default e-mail app From: Denver dan
- 3e.
- Re: Default e-mail app From: Jim Saklad
- 3f.
- Re: Default e-mail app From: Barry Austern
- 3g.
- Re: Default e-mail app From: Barry Austern
- 3h.
- Re: Default e-mail app From: Jim Saklad
- 3i.
- Re: Default e-mail app From: Jim Saklad
- 4.
- Software Update: how to see ignored updates? From: DaveC
- 5a.
- Re: harddrive thoughts From: Oneal Neumann
- 5b.
- Re: harddrive thoughts From: Randy B. Singer
- 5c.
- Re: harddrive thoughts From: Andrew Buc
- 5d.
- Re: harddrive thoughts From: Denver dan
- 6a.
- Re: Cannot Delete Trash From: Otto Nikolaus
- 7a.
- Re: FaceTime and iChat connection problems From: Ron West
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Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:39 pm (PST)
Howdy.
I can't give you off the top of my head any temperature or RPM ranges
for a G5. Perhaps some Internet searching will turn something up.
The PowerPC processors were large and hot and a major reason for
Apple's switch from PowerPC and IBM to Intel was that Intel just did
more R&D on reducing heat, reducing size, reducing power usage, while
speeding things up with multi-core technology, cache technology, and
other things.
I'd be happy to provide the results of my MacPro but it's such
different technology (4 fans, quad core processor, 4 HD bays, 2 optical
bays, etc.) that I don't think it would be a valid comparison. I
suspect the Intel machine would be cooler. Excess heat from the G5
PowerPC processor is a reason why the G5 never appeared in a PowerBook
laptop.
However, here's a discussion from Apple Support Communities on
temperatures in a Power Mac G5 Dual 2.5:
<https://discussions.apple.com/ >thread/2127670? start=0&tstart= 0
This lists some temperatures and are listed in both Centigrade and
Fahrenheit so no need for a conversion.
Another component that might be causing problems is your power supply.
A failing power supply can sometimes cause random shut downs and
crashes.
And, as I think about all of this, more stuff comes to mind about
Leopard.
RAM. I seem to recall that when Apple brought out Leopard that the OS
was less tolerant of RAM problems that previous OS X systems had been.
In addition, Leopard has a bunch of new features that take more RAM.
How much RAM in installed in the G5??
Plus, there was a Leopard problem/incompatibility with the Unsanity
item installed by Logitech mouse software that caused problems with
Leopard but IIRC mostly with booting? (My memory/RAM may be fading too
on this issue!!)
Denver Dan
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:59:12 -0600, Jay Abraham wrote:
> Installed iStat Nano but any idea of what the normal ranges for some
> of these things should be?
>
> It appears there are 7 fans ranging from 1000 rpm for Drive bay to
> 1590 rpm for CPU A and CPU B pump. Also temperatures range from a
> low of 28º for Tunnel Heatsink to 50º for GPU. CPU A is around 30º
> and CPU B is around 44º.
>
>
> Jay
>
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
>> There are free utilities like iStat and iStat Nano that will list a
>> variety of informatinal items like RPM of the various fans (my MacPro
>> Tower has 4 fans and is current showing 499 RPM to 599 RPM for them).
>> It also shows the temperatures of drive bays and the CPUs.
- 1b.
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Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower
Posted by: "Collin" Collinwhuber@aol.com collinwhuber
Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:53 pm (PST)
Okay, here are the temps and fan speeds on my G5. Mine is a dual 1.8GHz, 3GB RAM, Leopard 10.5.8
Temps while doing regular tasks:
Primary HDD: 72ºF
Secondary HDD: 72ºF
CPU A: 115ºF
CPU A Ambient: 77ºF
CPU B: 105ºF
CPU B Ambient: 76ºF
Backside: 97ºF
Drive Bay 71ºF
Fans:
CPU A Intake: 300 RPM
CPU A Exhaust: 300 RPM
CPU B Intake: 300 RPM
CPU B Exhaust: 300 RPM
Drive Bay: 1000 RPM
Slot: 76 RPM
Backside: 51 RPM
Hope this helps!
 Collin 
Mac Pro 1,1 8-cores @2.33 GHz, 4GB RAM, Radeon X1900XT with 512 MB VRAM, 90GB SSD, 500GB HDD, 320GB HDD, 160GB HDD
MacBook Pro 5,3 2.66 GHz Core 2 Duo, 8GB RAM, 60GB SSD, 320GB HDD
iPad 2 32GB AT&T
iPhone 4 16GB Verizon
On Feb 8, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> I can't give you off the top of my head any temperature or RPM ranges
> for a G5. Perhaps some Internet searching will turn something up.
>
> The PowerPC processors were large and hot and a major reason for
> Apple's switch from PowerPC and IBM to Intel was that Intel just did
> more R&D on reducing heat, reducing size, reducing power usage, while
> speeding things up with multi-core technology, cache technology, and
> other things.
>
> I'd be happy to provide the results of my MacPro but it's such
> different technology (4 fans, quad core processor, 4 HD bays, 2 optical
> bays, etc.) that I don't think it would be a valid comparison. I
> suspect the Intel machine would be cooler. Excess heat from the G5
> PowerPC processor is a reason why the G5 never appeared in a PowerBook
> laptop.
>
> However, here's a discussion from Apple Support Communities on
> temperatures in a Power Mac G5 Dual 2.5:
>
> <https://discussions.apple.com/ >thread/2127670? start=0&tstart= 0
>
> This lists some temperatures and are listed in both Centigrade and
> Fahrenheit so no need for a conversion.
>
> Another component that might be causing problems is your power supply.
> A failing power supply can sometimes cause random shut downs and
> crashes.
>
> And, as I think about all of this, more stuff comes to mind about
> Leopard.
>
> RAM. I seem to recall that when Apple brought out Leopard that the OS
> was less tolerant of RAM problems that previous OS X systems had been.
> In addition, Leopard has a bunch of new features that take more RAM.
> How much RAM in installed in the G5??
>
> Plus, there was a Leopard problem/incompatibility with the Unsanity
> item installed by Logitech mouse software that caused problems with
> Leopard but IIRC mostly with booting? (My memory/RAM may be fading too
> on this issue!!)
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:59:12 -0600, Jay Abraham wrote:
> > Installed iStat Nano but any idea of what the normal ranges for some
> > of these things should be?
> >
> > It appears there are 7 fans ranging from 1000 rpm for Drive bay to
> > 1590 rpm for CPU A and CPU B pump. Also temperatures range from a
> > low of 28º for Tunnel Heatsink to 50º for GPU. CPU A is around 30º
> > and CPU B is around 44º.
> >
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> >
> >> There are free utilities like iStat and iStat Nano that will list a
> >> variety of informatinal items like RPM of the various fans (my MacPro
> >> Tower has 4 fans and is current showing 499 RPM to 599 RPM for them).
> >> It also shows the temperatures of drive bays and the CPUs.
>
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Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower
Posted by: "Bob" 1belami@gmail.com bombino21217
Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:03 pm (PST)
I don¹t have an answer, but I do have the problem. Please let us know if you
find the cure/reason.
Bob
On 2/8/12 10:51 AM, "Jay Abraham" <jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this. I started getting the panics
> after I upgraded the Tower to Leopard about a year ago. They would come every
> couple of days. Would notice that the system fan would spin up to high and
> the screen would be dark and I couldn't get system to turn on. In most cases,
> I noticed it after leaving the room for a couple of hours. In some case, the
> Mac screen would say that the OS quit and I needed to restart.
>
> Not sure of the exact timeline in that this happened after I updated to
> Leopard. At the same time I did that I added an additional internal drive.
> Haven't done anything else.
>
> It is getting more frequent now - usually a couple of times a day so I'm
> forced to troubleshoot it. The system fan also seems to spin up to high a lot
> even when it doesn't appear anything is using resources. Not using as my
> primary computer anymore but rather as a media server, backup, etc. I haven't
> kept past copies of the system report but the usually said unresolved kernel
> trap and didn't point to one thing consistently. I have tried starting up in
> Safe mode to see if I still have kernel panics and I still do.
>
> Should I try reinstalling Tiger and seeing if this fixes the problem. I no
> longer need Leopard - had to put it in to ensure I could still have my
> calendars sync with MobileMe.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower
Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net kerala01212001
Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:58 pm (PST)
Hi Collin,
This is helpful. Mine is a G5 Quad 2.5 Ghz, 4GB Ram.
My CPU temps are roughly around yours. CPU A much lower than yours around (72 - 90ºF) while CPU B is higher (115 - 124º F). However I don't have them categorized the same way. What are you using to get the information. I'm using iStat Nano from Dan's previous recommendation. My HD is also higher listed as 101ºF but Istat doesn't show my 2nd HD.
My Fans speeds are much higher. Not sure why They are listed next to yours. Also both the temperatures and fan rpm seem to vary a lot (5% - 10%) just while watching. Not sure there is that much variation or whether that is an artifact of the way iStat Nano measures the info.
Thanks for the help.
Jay
On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Collin wrote:
> Okay, here are the temps and fan speeds on my G5. Mine is a dual 1.8GHz, 3GB RAM, Leopard 10.5.8
>
> Temps while doing regular tasks:
> Primary HDD: 72ºF
> Secondary HDD: 72ºF
> CPU A: 115ºF
> CPU A Ambient: 77ºF
> CPU B: 105ºF
> CPU B Ambient: 76ºF
> Backside: 97ºF
> Drive Bay 71ºF
>
> Fans: Jay
> CPU A Intake: 300 RPM 1440
> CPU A Exhaust: 300 RPM 1485
> CPU B Intake: 300 RPM 1562
> CPU B Exhaust: 300 RPM 1614
> Drive Bay: 1000 RPM 1000
> Slot: 76 RPM
> Backside: 51 RPM
>
> Hope this helps!
>
>  Collin 
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Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower
Posted by: "Collin" Collinwhuber@aol.com collinwhuber
Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:07 pm (PST)
I use iStat Pro to keep track of my usages, temps, and fans. My fan speed doesn't vary much. It'll go up a bit if I'm streaming video of using iMovie or something (don't use it a lot since I bought my Mac Pro). I know what you mean about the HDD temps. The HDDs in my Power Mac G5 never read over 80ºF, but the HDD and SSD in my Mac Pro will get up to about 105ºF maximum. Saying that though, the HDDs in my Mac Pro are above the 2 Quad-Core Xeon CPUs and my Radeon x1900XT (quite warm) graphics card.
- Collin
On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Jay Abraham wrote:
> Hi Collin,
>
> This is helpful. Mine is a G5 Quad 2.5 Ghz, 4GB Ram.
>
> My CPU temps are roughly around yours. CPU A much lower than yours around (72 - 90ºF) while CPU B is higher (115 - 124º F). However I don't have them categorized the same way. What are you using to get the information. I'm using iStat Nano from Dan's previous recommendation. My HD is also higher listed as 101ºF but Istat doesn't show my 2nd HD.
>
> My Fans speeds are much higher. Not sure why They are listed next to yours. Also both the temperatures and fan rpm seem to vary a lot (5% - 10%) just while watching. Not sure there is that much variation or whether that is an artifact of the way iStat Nano measures the info.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Jay
>
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Collin wrote:
>
> > Okay, here are the temps and fan speeds on my G5. Mine is a dual 1.8GHz, 3GB RAM, Leopard 10.5.8
> >
> > Temps while doing regular tasks:
> > Primary HDD: 72ºF
> > Secondary HDD: 72ºF
> > CPU A: 115ºF
> > CPU A Ambient: 77ºF
> > CPU B: 105ºF
> > CPU B Ambient: 76ºF
> > Backside: 97ºF
> > Drive Bay 71ºF
> >
> > Fans: Jay
> > CPU A Intake: 300 RPM 1440
> > CPU A Exhaust: 300 RPM 1485
> > CPU B Intake: 300 RPM 1562
> > CPU B Exhaust: 300 RPM 1614
> > Drive Bay: 1000 RPM 1000
> > Slot: 76 RPM
> > Backside: 51 RPM
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> >  Collin 
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower
Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net kerala01212001
Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:10 pm (PST)
This discussion is quite scary and am glad I never had most of those problems. Don't think I would go to the effort these guys did of disassembling and replacing cooling mats, etc. Just junk machine and go onto next model.
Thanks for the link and the rest of the advice though
Jay
On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> However, here's a discussion from Apple Support Communities on
> temperatures in a Power Mac G5 Dual 2.5:
>
> <https://discussions.apple.com/ >thread/2127670? start=0&tstart= 0
>
> This lists some temperatures and are listed in both Centigrade and
> Fahrenheit so no need for a conversion.
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Re: Kernel Panics - G5 Tower
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:48 am (PST)
Have you run Memtest or similar? If that shows a problem, remove and reseat
each RAM card.
Otto
On 8 February 2012 23:10, Jay Abraham <jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net > wrote:
> This discussion is quite scary and am glad I never had most of those
> problems. Don't think I would go to the effort these guys did of
> disassembling and replacing cooling mats, etc. Just junk machine and go
> onto next model.
>
> Thanks for the link and the rest of the advice though
>
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Re: Apple updates EFI Firmware on 2010 MacBook Pros, Airs and iMacs;
Posted by: "neelie" neeliec2000@yahoo.com neeliec2000
Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:50 pm (PST)
Hi Bill,
Am I correct in assuming this update is applicable only to those running Lion?
I have a MacBookPro from March 2010, running Snow Leopard (10.6.8) and the update does not show up in Software Updates.
neelie
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@com ...> wrote:
>
> http://feedproxy.google.com/ ~r/9To5Mac- MacAllDay/ ~3/nvDotEL4llE/
>
> Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Apple updates EFI
> Firmware on 2010 MacBook Pros, Airs and iMacs; Adds Lion Internet
> Recovery via 9to5Mac by Jake Smith on 2/7/12
>
>
>
> Apple released EFI firmware updates for the MacBook Pro, MacBook Air,
> and iMacs this evening. The updates bring Lion Internet Recovery to the
> 2010 models of the MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and iMac. You can open up
> Software Update or download the updates directly from Apple’s website.
>
> MacBook Pro
>
> This update enables Lion Recovery from an Internet connection on
> MacBook Pro (Early 2010) models.
>
> MacBook Air
>
> This update enables Lion Recovery from an Internet connection on
> MacBook Air (Late 2010) models and addresses an issue where the system
> could restart if the power button is pressed immediately after waking
> from deep sleep.
>
> iMac
>
> This update enables Lion Recovery from an Internet connection on iMac
> (Mid 2010) models.
>
> Lion Internet Recovery was introduced by Apple in Lion to re-download
> the OS directly from Apple’s servers over an Internet connection when
> all else fails.
> Related articles
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> - Panasonic 8x Dual Layer Slimline Internal DVD Burner for $69 + $7
> s&h, more (9to5toys.com)
> - Apple completes testing of 15 inch LCD for ultra-thin MacBook Pro?
> (9to5mac.com)
> - Intel’s new 520 Series SSD benchmarked: Easy on the battery, great
> data protection and compression features (9to5mac.com)
> - Apple MacBook Air Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz 13″ Laptop for $849 + $20 s&h
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Re: Apple updates EFI Firmware on 2010 MacBook Pros, Airs and iMacs;
Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com boulware0224
Wed Feb 8, 2012 1:52 pm (PST)
The update is to enable Lion Internet Recovery so it would not be available
for any other version of OS X
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 16:50, neelie <neeliec2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Am I correct in assuming this update is applicable only to those running
> Lion?
>
> I have a MacBookPro from March 2010, running Snow Leopard (10.6.8) and the
> update does not show up in Software Updates.
>
> neelie
>
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@com ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > http://feedproxy.google.com/ ~r/9To5Mac- MacAllDay/ ~3/nvDotEL4llE/
> >
> > Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Apple updates EFI
> > Firmware on 2010 MacBook Pros, Airs and iMacs; Adds Lion Internet
> > Recovery via 9to5Mac by Jake Smith on 2/7/12
> >
> >
> >
> > Apple released EFI firmware updates for the MacBook Pro, MacBook Air,
> > and iMacs this evening. The updates bring Lion Internet Recovery to the
> > 2010 models of the MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and iMac. You can open up
> > Software Update or download the updates directly from Apple’s website.
>
> >
> > MacBook Pro
> >
> > This update enables Lion Recovery from an Internet connection on
> > MacBook Pro (Early 2010) models.
> >
> > MacBook Air
> >
> > This update enables Lion Recovery from an Internet connection on
> > MacBook Air (Late 2010) models and addresses an issue where the system
> > could restart if the power button is pressed immediately after waking
> > from deep sleep.
> >
> > iMac
> >
> > This update enables Lion Recovery from an Internet connection on iMac
> > (Mid 2010) models.
> >
> > Lion Internet Recovery was introduced by Apple in Lion to re-download
> > the OS directly from Apple’s servers over an Internet connection when
>
> > all else fails.
> > Related articles
> > - Used Apple MacBook Pro Core i5 2.4GHz 13″ Laptop for $900 + free
> > shipping (9to5toys.com)
> > - DigiTimes: 2880-by-1800 Retina Display rumored to come to 2012
> > MacBook Pro (9to5mac.com)
> > - Panasonic 8x Dual Layer Slimline Internal DVD Burner for $69 + $7
> > s&h, more (9to5toys.com)
> > - Apple completes testing of 15 inch LCD for ultra-thin MacBook Pro?
> > (9to5mac.com)
> > - Intel’s new 520 Series SSD benchmarked: Easy on the battery, great
>
> > data protection and compression features (9to5mac.com)
> > - Apple MacBook Air Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz 13″ Laptop for $849 + $20 s&h
> > (9to5toys.com)
> >
> >
> >
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Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Donna Ells" dellis70@tampabay.rr.com dellis551
Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:04 pm (PST)
Running X.6.8 on iMac, with MS Office for Business 2011
Outlook is my default e-mail app. No problems to and from the server.
Previously it was Eudora.
When clicking an e-mail link within an incoming Outlook post, or when
clicking on a "contact us" e-mail link from a browser, Eudora continues
popping up. After checking the system prefs for something to click on to
make other apps interact effectively with Outlook, and not finding anything,
I trashed Eudora, thinking that would solve the problem. Now the Mac Mail
app pops up with prompts. How can I make Outlook the default e-mail app like
Eudora used to be, so it automatically pops up when clicking on an e-mail
address which is inside an e-mail or browser page?
I can't believe Outlook does not open its own new email window when clicking
from within the body of a post already in Outlook.
Thanks very much,
Donna
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Re: Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Denver dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:52 pm (PST)
Donna, open Apple's Mail app, open Preferences, almost the first item is to tell your Mac what your default email program should be. Change it to Outlook.
I know. Counterintuitive.
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iFrom Denver Dan's iPhone
â€" my magical animal is a butterfly
On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Donna Ells <dellis70@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> Running X.6.8 on iMac, with MS Office for Business 2011
>
> Outlook is my default e-mail app. No problems to and from the server.
> Previously it was Eudora.
>
> When clicking an e-mail link within an incoming Outlook post, or when
> clicking on a "contact us" e-mail link from a browser, Eudora continues
> popping up. After checking the system prefs for something to click on to
> make other apps interact effectively with Outlook, and not finding anything,
> I trashed Eudora, thinking that would solve the problem. Now the Mac Mail
> app pops up with prompts. How can I make Outlook the default e-mail app like
> Eudora used to be, so it automatically pops up when clicking on an e-mail
> address which is inside an e-mail or browser page?
>
> I can't believe Outlook does not open its own new email window when clicking
> from within the body of a post already in Outlook.
> Thanks very much,
> Donna
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:13 pm (PST)
> Donna, open Apple's Mail app, open Preferences, almost the first item is to tell your Mac what your default email program should be. Change it to Outlook.
>
> I know. Counterintuitive.
There is nothing counterintuitive about mail software that is written to utilize programming hooks built into the operating system to set the default mail software.
What is perhaps counterintuitive is mail software specifically written for that operating system that chooses NOT to make use of those hooks.
The same can be said about web browsers, also.
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Re: Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Denver dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:17 pm (PST)
Yeah, but.
This choice used to be in System Preferences where a lot more people found it on their own.
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iFrom Denver Dan's iPhone
â€" my magical animal is a butterfly
On Feb 8, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>> Donna, open Apple's Mail app, open Preferences, almost the first item is to tell your Mac what your default email program should be. Change it to Outlook.
>>
>> I know. Counterintuitive.
>
>
> There is nothing counterintuitive about mail software that is written to utilize programming hooks built into the operating system to set the default mail software.
>
> What is perhaps counterintuitive is mail software specifically written for that operating system that chooses NOT to make use of those hooks.
>
> The same can be said about web browsers, also.
>
> --
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>
>
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Re: Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:19 pm (PST)
> This choice used to be in System Preferences where a lot more people found it on their own.
It still can be, with 3rd-party app "Default Apps".
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Re: Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net barryaus
Wed Feb 8, 2012 7:55 pm (PST)
At 5:04 PM -0500 2/8/12, Donna Ells wrote:
>Outlook is my default e-mail app. No problems to and from the server.
>Previously it was Eudora.
>
>When clicking an e-mail link within an incoming Outlook post, or when
>clicking on a "contact us" e-mail link from a browser, Eudora continues
>popping up. After checking the system prefs for something to click on to
>make other apps interact effectively with Outlook, and not finding anything,
>I trashed Eudora, thinking that would solve the problem. Now the Mac Mail
>app pops up with prompts. How can I make Outlook the default e-mail app like
>Eudora used to be, so it automatically pops up when clicking on an e-mail
>address which is inside an e-mail or browser page?
Apple has a funny way. The preferences to set your default mail
application are in Mail and to set the default browser are in Safari.
IN other words, you have to go to Apple's favorite one to switch away
from it. I have Eudora (still) as my default mail application and
Firefox as my default browser, so I set them in Apple's programs.
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Re: Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net barryaus
Wed Feb 8, 2012 7:55 pm (PST)
At 7:13 PM -0500 2/8/12, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>There is nothing counterintuitive about mail software that is
>written to utilize programming hooks built into the operating system
>to set the default mail software.
>
>What is perhaps counterintuitive is mail software specifically
>written for that operating system that chooses NOT to make use of
>those hooks.
>
>The same can be said about web browsers, also.
I think it is counterintuitive too, for what it is worth. My opinion
is that it should be in a preference pane. At one time, around 10.2
or 10.3, as I recall, it was.
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Re: Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Feb 8, 2012 8:12 pm (PST)
> Apple has a funny way. The preferences to set your default mail application are in Mail and to set the default browser are in Safari.
>
> IN other words, you have to go to Apple's favorite one to switch away from it.
I mostly use Safari as a browser, but I have both Firefox and Chrome for "special occasions".
Both Firefox and Chrome make use of the "hooks" in MacOS X to set the default browser -- that default can be set to Chrome from within Chrome, and to Firefox from within Firefox.
COULD Apple have left setting the default as an item in System Preferences? Of course they could. But not making use of the "hooks" that exist in MacOS X to set the default is not Apple's fault, it's Eudora's, or Outlook's. It's bad programming in those mailers.
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Re: Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Feb 8, 2012 8:13 pm (PST)
>> What is perhaps counterintuitive is mail software specifically written for that operating system that chooses NOT to make use of those hooks.
>
> I think it is counterintuitive too, for what it is worth. My opinion is that it should be in a preference pane. At one time, around 10.2 or 10.3, as I recall, it was.
A lot of people seem to agree with you.
Which is why there is (at least) one 3rd-party preference pane to do exactly this.
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Software Update: how to see ignored updates?
Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com davec2468
Wed Feb 8, 2012 2:16 pm (PST)
I see that I can "Ignore updates" or to reset the ignored ones,
wholesale, but I see no way to review the ignored ones to see if I
want to reset them.
Is it possible to know which ones I've (in not-so-recent-past) ignored?
Thanks,
Dave
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Re: harddrive thoughts
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Wed Feb 8, 2012 3:10 pm (PST)
On 2012 February 7 (at 09:54) Tod Hopkins wrote:
I take this with a grain of salt. They all 'outsource'.
… … …
… … …
Also consider that this is simply not rocket science anymore. Drives are a commodity. If you buy a cheap drive model, you will get cheap construction. For many uses, that's enough. If you want quality construction, you have to pay more.
Cheers, tod
I basically agree with your points, Tod, especially about manufacturers having bad years at different times. As you alluded, probably no one maker is consistently bad on all models.
Randy's friend in the harddrive-recovery service may have noticed a lot of Western Digital drives because of the quantity sold, however that is no proof that WD is inherently bad. It may actually be the case that fewer WDs are returned for service as a percentage of sales.
That said, didn't you undercut the gist of your post with your final paragraph? If making external harddrives ain't rocket science, then why are some manufacturers presumably running into problems with their harddrives?
Thanx. Oneal
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Re: harddrive thoughts
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Wed Feb 8, 2012 7:12 pm (PST)
On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Oneal Neumann wrote:
> Randy's friend in the harddrive-recovery service may have noticed a
> lot of Western Digital drives because of the quantity sold, however
> that is no proof that WD is inherently bad. It may actually be the
> case that fewer WDs are returned for service as a percentage of sales.
WD drives have always sold well.
However, my friend didn't base his conclusion that WD drives have
gone downhill on the number he has seen come in. He based it on
opening them up and seeing the quality of the components. He runs a
hard drive recovery service. When a drive comes in that is toast he
literally opens it up in a clean room and repairs it to get the data
off of it.
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Re: harddrive thoughts
Posted by: "Andrew Buc" andrewbuc@staxman.net andrewbuc
Wed Feb 8, 2012 7:31 pm (PST)
On Feb 8, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> Users rave about Glyph drives!
Part of the appeal of OWC Mercury On-the-Go drives for me is that
they fit in a safe deposit box. It doesn't look as if Glyph drives
do. :(
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Re: harddrive thoughts
Posted by: "Denver dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Feb 8, 2012 7:55 pm (PST)
I may not be following this thread carefully.
I think I mentioned an OWC 4-drive JBOD/RAID with eSATA, FW, & USB that looks like it was made by Glyph.
This is a hot swappable case. You could remove or swap out one or all of the easy to remove drives and store in a safe deposit box and leave the case on your desk.
I mentioned this unit because of a good price, the multi-ports, and reputation of both OWC and Glyph.
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On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:31 PM, Andrew Buc <andrewbuc@staxman.net > wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
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>> Users rave about Glyph drives!
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> Part of the appeal of OWC Mercury On-the-Go drives for me is that
> they fit in a safe deposit box. It doesn't look as if Glyph drives
> do. :(
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Re: Cannot Delete Trash
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Wed Feb 8, 2012 4:45 pm (PST)
This crops up every now and again. 'Secure Empty' means that the freed
space is immediately overwritten with zeros. This is like doing a secure
erase of a disk volume instead of a simple erase. It takes a lot of time
(proportional to the space that's freed) and is rarely what you want to do,
unless you work in a high-security environment or are selling your computer.
This is often confused with the 'Force Empty Trash' option.
Otto
On 8 February 2012 15:23, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Howdy.
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> Empty Securely will always be slower to work.
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> As John E. mentioned, you can uncheck the Secure Empty item.
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> There is also a keyboard override command that ignores things liked
> locked items in Trash.
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> To use the override press Option and choose Empty Trash from the Finder
> menu. Before actually doing the Empty Trash command with Option
> pressed, note the keyboard combo of 4 keys to do the override just with
> keyboard command.
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Re: FaceTime and iChat connection problems
Posted by: "Ron West" ronwest@gmail.com ronwestb12
Thu Feb 9, 2012 4:03 am (PST)
Anyone?
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Ron West <ronwest@gmail.com > wrote:
> A few days ago I asked for remote desktop advice and a suggestion to
> use iChat was made. Here's the problem - I took delivery of a new iMac
> for my Mom at my house. We set it up here and got FaceTime working on
> my local network with her on the iMac and me on my iPT. We got
> FaceTime working off site also with the iMac and a iPad 2. Since I'm
> going to be tech support for Mom I'll need to control her desktop
> remotely. She took the iMac home and we got her set up with a iChat
> account. The problem is that IM works fine with iChat (we can type
> back and forth fine) but my Mac Pro wont connect to her iMac (non-stop
> spinning sprocket). Also, FaceTime will ring with no answer on my iPT
> and the iPad 2. Everything worked fine at my house.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated.
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