Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: N.A. Nada
- 1.2.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: ed-reiff
- 1.3.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: ed-reiff
- 1.4.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Rob Frankel
- 1.5.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: N.A. Nada
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- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: N.A. Nada
- 1.7.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Ardell Faul
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- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: paul smith
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- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Dane Reugger
- 1.10.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Bob Buscaglia
- 1.11.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Jurgen Richter
- 1.12.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Daly Jessup
- 1.13.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Daly Jessup
- 1.14.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Daly Jessup
- 1.15.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Mike Stupinski
- 1.16.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Dane Robison
- 1.17.
- Re: Where is iCloud data kept From: Jim Saklad
- 2a.
- Re: Which WiFi? From: Randy B. Singer
- 2b.
- Re: Which WiFi? From: Jim Saklad
- 3a.
- Re: How to add umlauts and emphasis marks in Word 2008? From: Daly Jessup
- 4a.
- Re: Default e-mail app From: Jim Saklad
- 4b.
- Finder alternative From: Jim McGarvie
- 4c.
- Re: Finder alternative From: Tim O'Donoghue
- 4d.
- Re: Finder alternative From: Denver dan
- 4e.
- Re: Finder alternative From: Jim McGarvie
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:37 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:29 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
>
> >
> > I sync my important and private stuff by cable or local password protected WiFi. I sync my who cares stuff, like my grocery list in Notes, by the Cloud, but it's home is my devices and not someone else's server. If the Cloud loses or shares my grocery list, who cares?
>
> Now, that is interesting. If you are using iCloud, how do you set your data to save to local devices? That's what's worrying me.
I haven't figured that out either. Besides wanting as little of my stuff on someone else's server as possible.
Define using iCloud for me Daly. What truly is it? My best guess is below.
There is the iCloud account, which allows you to view part of the iCloud server and some services. Mail, is webmail. Contacts and Calendar are web versions of the same. Find My iPhone (Mac or other iDevice) is the web version of the same. iWork, is the web version of the Keynote, Pages and Numbers.
There is the iCloud services not mentioned above, is the iTunes portion and iTunes Match.
I still have not figured out what is stored on the extra GBs you can buy. Is it only other doc or data you save in the cloud through iWorks? Before in MobileMe is made more sense to me, if you could store other docs like PDFs or Word docs, etcetera, but I don't see how you access that extra storage space other than through iWorks. There is no Gallery in iCloud, so you can't store images there. So what is the extra space for? You don't pay for Music you purchase through the iTunes Store, or duplicate through iTunes Match.
Remember, I used to travel for work to wide spots in the road or some farmers field, so I am a little more aware of not always having an internet connection.
Brent
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "ed-reiff" ed@reiff.com ed-reiff
Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:42 pm (PST)
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , Daly Jessup <jessup@...> wrote:com
>
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:40 AM, OBrien wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:36:11 -0500, Michael P. Stupinski wrote:
> >> That would mean, for example, that if you were in a location where you
> >> had no web access you would have none of your calendar data on your
> >> computer?
> >
> > Not if you don't have it saved to your Mac, also.
>
>
> How would you save it to your Mac?
>
> I know I sound stupid, but there's something about all this that makes me uncomfortable.
>
> So, say I'm viewing my Calendar but its content is coming from North Carolina. I can just do something like "File/Save" and put the calendar data somewhere and now it's on my computer? Would I think be able to access that backup, in case North Carolina had a hurricane?
>
> Daly
>
Your address book and calendar are kept on your local mac and a copy is kept in iCloud. If you make changes to your calendar or address book they are usually made on your local Mac and uploaded to iCloud and then back to any other devices you have associated with the account e.g. another mac or handheld device. If you make changes to your calendar on iCloud itself, you will get a download to your devices with the changes
Dropbox works the same way, files stored on local devices with a copy in the cloud.
Ed
Ed
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "ed-reiff" ed@reiff.com ed-reiff
Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:50 pm (PST)
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@..com .> wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Rob Frankel wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, now you're getting to one of my main peeves, which is that
> > entrusting your data to any third party exposes you to their
> > vulnerabilities. Although clouds (read: remotely accessible server
> > farms via internet) are supposedly secure, it's like anything else:
> > when the plug gets kicked out of the wall, or their security is
> > breached, you'd better have your own local data backup.
> >
> > (Great link for you who are concerned:
> > http://features.techworld. com/personal- tech/3333293/ worst-internet- privacy-scandals -of-all-time/
> > )
>
> Which is more likely to cause my info to be taken, having my personal computer or some server where thousands of people's info is stored? I'd say the server is the better target since it has the bigger reward for the cracker.
>
> Great article, since it includes several companies that are generally good, but made mistakes.
>
> I may be mildly paranoid, but by being aware, I avoid the obvious pitfalls. They are after me individually, but I don't need to be rounded up with the other helpless sheep.
>
> OT: IBM is not a good company. If you doubt me, read "IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black.
>
> Brent
>
Your data is probably just as secure, if not more, on the server as it is on your local machine.
Ed
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Rob Frankel" rob@robfrankel.com robfrankeldotcom
Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:55 pm (PST)
At 9:50 PM +0000 2/12/12, ed-reiff wrote thusly:
>
> Your data is probably just as secure, if not more, on the server
>as it is on your local machine.
>Ed
Exactly the words that groups like Anonymous want to hear! :D
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:57 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Dane Reugger wrote:
> Your data is synced to the cloud from your computer and the data remains on
> your computer unless you remove it. You can test this - disconnect from the
> Internet and access your data without the cloud being available.
>
> -Dane
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com > wrote:
>
> > On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Ardell Faul wrote:
> >
> > > Sooner or later, but certainly, one of the "cloud" servers and the
> > > backups is going to fail, and everybody who has put there data (and
> > > trust) there is going to have a new understanding of loss. Then the
> > > debate will cease.
> >
> > BUT if you can also back up the data on your own Mac, it would not be
> > catastropic. That's exactly what I'm asking. Does the data stored on iCloud
> > also get written to your Mac so you can back it up?
> >
> > Yes, or no. (or is there no yes or no available yet?)
To the point Dane went, I agree with him, BUT...
What if the account is hacked for say one of those "Help, I'm stranded in (Location)" scams. Their MO is usually to erase all the data in the account so you can't access your address book and warn your acquaintances. Then iCloud almost instantly syncs your other devices. If you don't have an available back up, you are up a creek without a paddle.
And this may be Daly's concern, it certainly is mine.
Brent
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:16 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Ardell Faul wrote:
>
> > Sooner or later, but certainly, one of the "cloud" servers and the
> > backups is going to fail, and everybody who has put there data (and
> > trust) there is going to have a new understanding of loss. Then the
> > debate will cease.
>
> BUT if you can also back up the data on your own Mac, it would not be catastropic. That's exactly what I'm asking. Does the data stored on iCloud also get written to your Mac so you can back it up?
>
> Yes, or no. (or is there no yes or no available yet?)
See my other reply made to Dane, about if the account is hacked, the hacker might erase everything in the cloud. It would sync to your devices and erase it there too. So Daly's concern is justified.
From another thread, on another list, someone mentioned something that might allow us to ask the question in a different way. On your devices you can go into Settings or Sys Prefs and turn on or off whether or not certain applications sync with iCloud. The Setting or Pref is called surprisingly, "iCloud".
We can ask the same question as, which location takes precedence and can it be changed by the user?
Does anyone have the appropriate "Take Control of" book and can give us the answer?
Brent
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Ardell Faul" ardell@icehouse.net computer_monitor_service_company
Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:20 pm (PST)
Trusting the cloud is like trusting the government. Or like trusting
the capitalists. Who, by the way, are the ones responsible for moving
our industrial base over seas. So much for patriotism or loyalty.
Ardell Faul
Computer Monitor Service Inc.
Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
10816 E. Mission Ave.,
Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
ardell@icehouse.net
509-891-5188
On 2/12/2012 1:50 PM, ed-reiff wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:macsupportcentral%40yahoogr oups.com> , "N.A. Nada"
> <whodo678@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Rob Frankel wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Well, now you're getting to one of my main peeves, which is that
> > > entrusting your data to any third party exposes you to their
> > > vulnerabilities. Although clouds (read: remotely accessible server
> > > farms via internet) are supposedly secure, it's like anything else:
> > > when the plug gets kicked out of the wall, or their security is
> > > breached, you'd better have your own local data backup.
> > >
> > > (Great link for you who are concerned:
> > >
> http://features.techworld. com/personal- tech/3333293/ worst-internet- privacy-scandals -of-all-time/
>
> > > )
> >
> > Which is more likely to cause my info to be taken, having my
> personal computer or some server where thousands of people's info is
> stored? I'd say the server is the better target since it has the
> bigger reward for the cracker.
> >
> > Great article, since it includes several companies that are
> generally good, but made mistakes.
> >
> > I may be mildly paranoid, but by being aware, I avoid the obvious
> pitfalls. They are after me individually, but I don't need to be
> rounded up with the other helpless sheep.
> >
> > OT: IBM is not a good company. If you doubt me, read "IBM and the
> Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's
> Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black.
> >
> > Brent
> >
> Your data is probably just as secure, if not more, on the server as it
> is on your local machine.
> Ed
>
>
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "paul smith" kullervo@nycap.rr.com waldonny
Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:27 pm (PST)
I strongly doubt that. Syncing would instead *restore* all the data on your local machine/device to your cloud account.
--
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On Feb 12, 2012, at 5:16 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
See my other reply made to Dane, about if the account is hacked, the hacker might erase everything in the cloud. It would sync to your devices and erase it there too. So Daly's concern is justified.
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Dane Reugger" dane@downtownpc.com dar2112
Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:35 pm (PST)
You are confused as to who is saying what - I said nothing about hacking
accounts.
Ed said
"Your data is probably just as secure, if not more, on the server as it is
on your local machine."
That said I would generally agree with Ed as it's easier to hack a person
than a computer. If you hack the person where the data is located probably
wont matter much.
-Dane
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:57 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> To the point Dane went, I agree with him, BUT...
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Bob Buscaglia" rbuscag@yahoo.com rbuscag
Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:15 pm (PST)
To that point, I don't even automatically synch my iPod and iPad with my iMac when I connect those devices. I prefer to always manually drag and drop the files I want to move.
Bob
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Subject: Re: [macsupport] Where is iCloud data kept
On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Ardell Faul wrote:
>
> > Sooner or later, but certainly, one of the "cloud" servers and the
> > backups is going to fail, and everybody who has put there data (and
> > trust) there is going to have a new understanding of loss. Then the
> > debate will cease.
>
> BUT if you can also back up the data on your own Mac, it would not be catastropic. That's exactly what I'm asking. Does the data stored on iCloud also get written to your Mac so you can back it up?
>
> Yes, or no. (or is there no yes or no available yet?)
See my other reply made to Dane, about if the account is hacked, the hacker might erase everything in the cloud. It would sync to your devices and erase it there too. So Daly's concern is justified.
From another thread, on another list, someone mentioned something that might allow us to ask the question in a different way. On your devices you can go into Settings or Sys Prefs and turn on or off whether or not certain applications sync with iCloud. The Setting or Pref is called surprisingly, "iCloud".
We can ask the same question as, which location takes precedence and can it be changed by the user?
Does anyone have the appropriate "Take Control of" book and can give us the answer?
Brent
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Jurgen Richter" yahoo-1@sympatico.ca epsongroups
Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:19 pm (PST)
I think the short answer is the _ current data _ is kept on the device
where you generated it (ie calendars), and it will remain there until
you change or delete it, and Timemachine should back up what is there at
the time of the backup. It does not _ COPY _ to the cloud until you sync
it.
As one poster mentioned, your data is still on your device if you do not
have internet or wifi access at the time. You just can't update those
events on remote calendars or the cloud until you connect.
When you then sync to/via the cloud, all devices will be synced and
current until the next sync event. iPhones can be set up to "fetch" or
"push" these data events - that's a settings feature you can tinker with
to save battery time....
One caveat I noted is which calendars are you syncing via cloud?
On my iCal there are several options available, meaning "calendars on
this machine" (and every device would have its own set of calendars), or
as in my case, Mobileme calendars. What I have setup, and this will be a
problem come June, is that the calendars set up on my SnowLeopard Mac
are not local calendars, but the Mobileme ones. I also have my wife's
iCal sync to this set, as well as our iPhones. That way there are no
duplicate entries, period. Each of us can add events to those calendars
and they are resident on the device used at that time, and the other
devices will only "see" those new entries once they are synced to the
cloud, or the iPhones are plugged in to charge and sync with the
mother-computers at home.
hth
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com
Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:28 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Dane Reugger wrote:
> Your data is synced to the cloud from your computer and the data remains on
> your computer unless you remove it. You can test this - disconnect from the
> Internet and access your data without the cloud being available.
Thank you. This is just what I need to know.
Daly
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com
Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:32 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:37 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Define using iCloud for me Daly. What truly is it? My best guess is below.
>
Well, I can't. That is just what I'm trying to figure out.
I apprediate your comments about various aspects of it, but I still don't know what level of control I would have. It's really very irritating. Why can't Apple explain it, given that it is such a huge change.
Daly
7" screen, OS X 10.6.8,
AMD Radeon HD 6970M video, wired Apple mouse and keyboard. Partition: GUID Partition Table.
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com
Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:33 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:42 PM, ed-reiff wrote:
>
> Your address book and calendar are kept on your local mac and a copy is kept in iCloud. If you make changes to your calendar or address book they are usually made on your local Mac and uploaded to iCloud and then back to any other devices you have associated with the account e.g. another mac or handheld device. If you make changes to your calendar on iCloud itself, you will get a download to your devices with the changes
> Dropbox works the same way, files stored on local devices with a copy in the cloud.
Thank you! That is exactly what I need to know.
Daly
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Mike Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net mstupinski
Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:30 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 4:42 PM, ed-reiff wrote:
> Your address book and calendar are kept on your local mac and a copy is kept in iCloud. If you make changes to your calendar or address book they are usually made on your local Mac and uploaded to iCloud and then back to any other devices you have associated with the account e.g. another mac or handheld device. If you make changes to your calendar on iCloud itself, you will get a download to your devices with the changes
> Dropbox works the same way, files stored on local devices with a copy in the cloud.
Gee, that sounds pretty much like what MobileMe does, doesn't it?
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com macdane1
Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:38 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 8:30 PM, Mike Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net >
wrote:
>
> Gee, that sounds pretty much like what MobileMe does, doesn't it?
Well, yeah, except MobileMe also had usefull stuff like iDisk and
Gallery integrated pretty nicely. I'm still holding out hope that
Apple will come to their senses...
Dane
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Re: Where is iCloud data kept
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:17 pm (PST)
> After all this time, I am feeling it's time to get ready for iCloud and Lion.
>
> I have one particular worry that I hope for some insight into. I've googled it and so on, but never quite feel my question has been answered.
>
> If I sign up for iCloud for AddressBook and Calendar, where will the data live? I know they say that the iCloud copy is the master, but let's say that iCloud was having server glitches. Would my data exist anywhere on my own machines? Would I be able to make backup copies of my Calendars and Addresses?
>
> Daly
I finally turned iCloud on in mid-January, as a transfer from MobileMe.
No problems.
I just tried an experiment: turned Wifi OFF, disconnected the Ethernet cable, and rebooted (into Safe Mode, for good measure).
When I open iCal, all the data appears to be present.
If I look in ~/Library/Calendars there is a folder named "Calendar Sync Changes" dated the day before yesterday, and a file named "Calendar Cache" dated this evening.
I should note that, before I turned iCloud ON, I individually backed up each calendar in iCal, to my hard drive (iCal -- File menu -- Export -- Export...).
And, of course, before you do the Lion upgrade, I would be sure I had a working bootable clone of your present system.
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Re: Which WiFi?
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:06 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Donna Ells wrote:
> How can we make sure our neighbors are not accessing our WiFi?
In addition to what others have said, this may help:
Aarticles for how to change your Wi-Fi channel number to increase
range and reliability:
http://macintoshhowto.com/advanced/ how-to-get- a-good-range- on-your-
wireless-network.html
http://www.howtodothings.com/ computers- internet/ how-to-change- your-wi-
fi-channel-number
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
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Re: Which WiFi?
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:40 pm (PST)
>> We have WiFi thru the local cable company using Netgear modem.
>> There are 2 iMacs in our home and one wireless printer.
>> My iMac is about 2 feet from the modem, connected wirelessly.
>
> That is not the correct way to be connected to the internet 2 feet from the router.
"Correct"???
It may not be optimum, but it is certainly NOT "incorrect".
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Re: How to add umlauts and emphasis marks in Word 2008?
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com
Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:25 pm (PST)
On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:46 PM, halboye18 wrote:
> I got the option + method to work, but was unable to find Character Viewer ... I am working in Lion ... can you help me get to the Viewer?
> I cannot find it in the formatting palette.
Hal,
I dont' know anything about a formatting palette. But in Lion go to Apple Menu --> Language & Text --> "Input Sources" tab. don't you see "Kayboard and Character Viewer" at the top of the list?
I do, in Lion.
Daly
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Re: Default e-mail app
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:34 pm (PST)
>>> This choice used to be in System Preferences where a lot more people found it on their own.
>>
>> It still can be, with 3rd-party app "Default Apps".
>
> Except that it is a Classic app.
Sorry.
When I open System Preferences, the displayed name of the pref-pane is "Default Apps".
If I look in "~/Library/Preference Panes" I see that the *actual* name of the app is RCDefaultApp.
This *does* work in Lion.
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Finder alternative
Posted by: "Jim McGarvie" jim@mcgarvie.us jgarv2002
Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:50 pm (PST)
I've had my first Mac (MBP) over a year now and still can't get accustomed to Finder. Maybe I need to shed those old (over 20 years) Windows habits but as bad as it was I preferred Windows Explorer to Finder. I've been using Macintosh Explorer primarily but it has its flaws and doesn't seem to be supported much lately.
So, is everyone using Finder or can you suggest something I might be more comfortable with?
Thanks.
Best,
Jim
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Re: Finder alternative
Posted by: "Tim O'Donoghue" tjod@drizzle.net timodonoghue
Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:07 pm (PST)
Jim;
You might give Path Finder a try: http://www.cocoatech.com/
On Feb 12, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Jim McGarvie wrote:
> I've had my first Mac (MBP) over a year now and still can't get accustomed to Finder. Maybe I need to shed those old (over 20 years) Windows habits but as bad as it was I preferred Windows Explorer to Finder. I've been using Macintosh Explorer primarily but it has its flaws and doesn't seem to be supported much lately.
>
> So, is everyone using Finder or can you suggest something I might be more comfortable with?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best,
>
> Jim
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Re: Finder alternative
Posted by: "Denver dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:16 pm (PST)
Not sure what you are talking about.
Microsoft Explorer browser was discontinued for Macintosh many years ago.
As for using Finder, it's a very efficient interface and doesn't need helper apps like Windows Explorer.
Ask for some help learning about it.
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On Feb 12, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us > wrote:
> I've had my first Mac (MBP) over a year now and still can't get accustomed to Finder. Maybe I need to shed those old (over 20 years) Windows habits but as bad as it was I preferred Windows Explorer to Finder. I've been using Macintosh Explorer primarily but it has its flaws and doesn't seem to be supported much lately.
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> So, is everyone using Finder or can you suggest something I might be more comfortable with?
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> Thanks.
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> Best,
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> Jim
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Re: Finder alternative
Posted by: "Jim McGarvie" jim@mcgarvie.us jgarv2002
Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:49 pm (PST)
Please re-read my message. I didn't mention "Microsoft Explorer." I said I had been using "Macintosh Explorer." It apparently can still be purchased on their Web site: www.ragesw.com.
Finder may be efficient but I can't make it work the way I work. Maybe I need to change the way I work!
Maybe if I learned more about it I would be happy with it.
Jim
On Feb 12, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Denver dan wrote:
Not sure what you are talking about.
Microsoft Explorer browser was discontinued for Macintosh many years ago.
As for using Finder, it's a very efficient interface and doesn't need helper apps like Windows Explorer.
Ask for some help learning about it.
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i
iFrom Denver Dan's iPhone
� my magical animal is a butterfly
On Feb 12, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Jim McGarvie <jim@mcgarvie.us > wrote:
> I've had my first Mac (MBP) over a year now and still can't get accustomed to Finder. Maybe I need to shed those old (over 20 years) Windows habits but as bad as it was I preferred Windows Explorer to Finder. I've been using Macintosh Explorer primarily but it has its flaws and doesn't seem to be supported much lately.
>
> So, is everyone using Finder or can you suggest something I might be more comfortable with?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best,
>
> Jim
>
> --------------------- --------- ------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral. >com/policies/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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