12/23/2011

[macsupport] Digest Number 8640

Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)

1a.
Re: Reports of Lion Compatible Quicken From: Denver Dan
2.1.
Re: Simple database From: Tod Hopkins
3a.
Re: Defragment Or Not To Defragment? From: Tod Hopkins
3b.
Re: Defragment Or Not To Defragment? From: Nick Andriash
4a.
Re: Mac Running Slow?  Hung?  Here's Another Helpful Video! From: Tod Hopkins
4b.
Re: Mac Running Slow?  Hung?  Here's Another Helpful Video! From: Harry Flaxman
4c.
Re: Mac Running Slow? Hung? Here's Another Helpful Video! From: Otto Nikolaus
5a.
Kernel Task? From: Guy Kudlemyer
5b.
Re: Kernel Task? From: Otto Nikolaus
6a.
Testing websites for IE on Mac From: Arjun Singhal
6b.
Re: Testing websites for IE on Mac From: Harry Flaxman
6c.
Re: Testing websites for IE on Mac From: Denver Dan
7a.
Re: Windows on a "Mac" From: Jim Saklad
7b.
Re: Windows on a "Mac" From: Harry Flaxman
7c.
Re: Windows on a "Mac" From: Jurgen Richter
7d.
Re: Windows on a "Mac" From: Jon Kreisler
7e.
Re: Windows on a "Mac" From: Harry Flaxman
8a.
Harvested Email Addresses From: Harry Flaxman
8b.
Re: Harvested Email Addresses From: Otto Nikolaus
8c.
Re: Harvested Email Addresses From: Harry Flaxman
9a.
Re: list comeon ??? From: Oneal Neumann
9b.
Re: list comeon ??? From: Harry Flaxman
9c.
Re: list comeon ??? From: Doug Yelmen
9d.
Re: list comeon ??? From: Keith Whaley
10.
P.S. From: Doug Yelmen

Messages

1a.

Re: Reports of Lion Compatible Quicken

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:11 am (PST)



Howdy.

Yes, difficult to want to buy a product that was last updated in 2007
now almost 5 years ago.

I own Quicken 2007 but have been looking at other products. Intuit
doesn't feel like a trustworthy company now.

Denver Dan

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:55:30 -0800, N.A. Nada wrote:
> They think that after basically dropping Mac development 4 years ago,
> giving terrible customer support for years before that, and year
> after year making changes so that they are not compatible from year
> to year to the point that financial institutions have to revamp their
> sites to support Quicken, that we will come back because of a simple
> email.

2.1.

Re: Simple database

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:43 am (PST)



> ScrapIt Pro used to be very popular, but sadly it will soon be
> discontinuing development. It was the best of the scrapbook
> replacements.

This is a category of app that has been a "holy grail" forever: everyone seems to want one but it's impossible to get just right. At least not for everyone. I think it's simply not a one-size-fits-all type of product. Going back to IBM Tornado and earlier, Personal Information Managers have been a really tough category. Hard to make, and hard to sell.

Evernote seems to be on top right now, but for a variety of reasons, it doesn't quite work for me. I think the hardest part of these apps is to make them both comprehensive in function and simple enough to meet the primary goal of "simplifying" life. They must do both or they don't really do the job. I've thought about this category for years and I've never seen anything that has even half the key characteristics I've dreamed of in the perfect app.

Cheers,
tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

3a.

Re: Defragment Or Not To Defragment?

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:55 am (PST)



As the prior thread made quite clear to me, this is an discussion where semantics are important. Everyone is not talking about the same thing. File defragmentation, which used to be the primary goal of "defraggin", is pretty much obsolete in all modern OS's, not just Mac. However, there are other optimizations, such as free space consolidation, FAT optimization, and file arrangements, that can be helpful, depending on operational circumstances. I think we established, at least anecdotally, that running full optimization with something like iDefrag DID speed up some functions and can solve certain particular problems.

It is an esoteric debate, and not something most users need to be concerned with, much like the current state of malware on the Mac, or the difference between "cores" and "processors". It's not that there is nothing to discuss. Just because most users need not concern themselves does not mean there is nothing to consider and understand.

Cheers,
tod

On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:

> Came across an interesting video from a podcast I watch regularly, but didn't catch this one. It's from MacMost Now and speaks on defragmentation necessity in OS X.
>
> In short, it isn't.
>
> Take a gander at some technical explanation of why not:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuZcYiyHKyQ
>
> Harry
>
> Harry Flaxman
> harry.flaxman@comcast.net
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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3b.

Re: Defragment Or Not To Defragment?

Posted by: "Nick Andriash" medic65@telus.net   andriash2005

Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:00 pm (PST)




On 2011-12-23, at 6:55 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

> I think we established, at least anecdotally, that running full optimization with something like iDefrag DID speed up some functions and can solve certain particular problems.

Well said Tod.

--
 Nick Andriash 
andriash@telus.net
17" MacBook Pro, 2.3GHz Intel Core i7, Memory 8 GB, OS X 10.7.2
iPad2 WiFi & 3G, 64GB
iPhone4S 32GB

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4a.

Re: Mac Running Slow?  Hung?  Here's Another Helpful Video!

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:56 am (PST)



PLEASE learn to use Activity Monitor. It's the most important trouble-shooting utility on the Mac.

Cheers,
tod

On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:

> Here's a great video showing techniques on fixing a slow or 'hung' Mac. It shows Activity Monitor and how to determine using AM, which applications may be causing a problem and how to resolve this.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMsIljOHnig&feature=relmfu
>
> Great stuff!
>
> Harry
>
> Harry Flaxman
> harry.flaxman@comcast.net
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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4b.

Re: Mac Running Slow?  Hung?  Here's Another Helpful Video!

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:59 am (PST)



On Dec 23, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

> PLEASE learn to use Activity Monitor. It's the most important trouble-shooting utility on the Mac.
>
> Cheers,
> tod

Absolutely! That was one of the main reasons I did share the video. Lots of basic info contained therein!

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

4c.

Re: Mac Running Slow? Hung? Here's Another Helpful Video!

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:19 pm (PST)



On 23 December 2011 14:59, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Absolutely! That was one of the main reasons I did share the video. Lots
> of basic info contained therein!
>

Yes! Recommended here many times. Don't jump to conclusions before seeing
what's going on.

Otto

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5a.

Kernel Task?

Posted by: "Guy Kudlemyer" gwkuddles@comcast.net   truckersroost

Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:37 am (PST)



PPC Mac Mini
10.4.11

Hello All:

My Activity Monitor is showing this:
Process ID #: Ø
Process Name: kernel_task
User: root
%CPU: .5
Virtual Memory: 878.57 MB

Since this has shown up, my Mac has slowed WAY down. What is it? How do I
get rid of it?

Thanks for the help!

Guy
Thurston, Oregon

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5b.

Re: Kernel Task?

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:28 pm (PST)



That's the basic OS process that controls everything else. Note that the
CPU is low considering what it's doing. What is top of the list if you sort
on CPU?

Otto

On 23 December 2011 15:37, Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.net> wrote:

> PPC Mac Mini
> 10.4.11
>
> Hello All:
>
> My Activity Monitor is showing this:
> Process ID #: Ø
> Process Name: kernel_task
> User: root
> %CPU: .5
> Virtual Memory: 878.57 MB
>
> Since this has shown up, my Mac has slowed WAY down. What is it? How do I
> get rid of it?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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6a.

Testing websites for IE on Mac

Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com   arjunsinghal

Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:54 am (PST)



Hi All

I was working to re-design our website during the last few days and I was using a micro sized windows laptop along with my new Macbook Pro, while writing code, to ensure it was looking okay in Internet Explorer. (We just did a re-design after a serious spam attack, and the new design bombed out on IE).

Is there a good solution to testing the site for IE on a Mac? I do not want to run VM Ware all the time, because Windows is resource heavy - and it literally drains the battery if you're not plugged in.

Regards,
Arjun
6b.

Re: Testing websites for IE on Mac

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:03 am (PST)



On Dec 23, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Arjun Singhal wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I was working to re-design our website during the last few days and I was using a micro sized windows laptop along with my new Macbook Pro, while writing code, to ensure it was looking okay in Internet Explorer. (We just did a re-design after a serious spam attack, and the new design bombed out on IE).
>
> Is there a good solution to testing the site for IE on a Mac? I do not want to run VM Ware all the time, because Windows is resource heavy - and it literally drains the battery if you're not plugged in.
>
> Regards,
> Arjun

The closest you're going to get to IE with Safari is to enable developer menu, then you can select a user agent, which includes IE, all releases AFAIK.

As far as what kind of testing you can do with this? I don't know.

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

6c.

Re: Testing websites for IE on Mac

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:28 pm (PST)



Howdy.

Harry pretty much said it.

The Safari web browser (along with other Apple brand programs) has a
feature that you can turn on.

It used to be called the Debug menu but is now called the Develop menu.

Turn it on in Safari preferences and a new menu appears in Safari
called Develop.

One of the features on the Develop menu is called User Agent.

Use it to change the "personality" of Safari to mimic a different web
browser.

Choices are (in current Safari version):

Safari 5.1 Mac and Windows
Safari 5.06 Mac

Safari iOS 4.3.3 for iPhone, Touch, iPad

IE 9.0, 8.0, and 7.0

Firefox 4.0.1 Mac and Windows

Opera 11.11 Mac and Windows

Good luck.

Denver Dan

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:24:28 +0530, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> I was working to re-design our website during the last few days and I
> was using a micro sized windows laptop along with my new Macbook Pro,
> while writing code, to ensure it was looking okay in Internet
> Explorer. (We just did a re-design after a serious spam attack, and
> the new design bombed out on IE).
>
> Is there a good solution to testing the site for IE on a Mac? I do
> not want to run VM Ware all the time, because Windows is resource
> heavy - and it literally drains the battery if you're not plugged in.
>
> Regards,
> Arjun

7a.

Re: Windows on a "Mac"

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:29 am (PST)



> Well, I'm not entirely serious with that subject line. What do members think of the following:
>
> <http://www.dhgate.com/macbook-air-13-3-inch-laptop-win7-os-intel/p-ff8080813455fc36013463ad111c1bf2.html>

The ad is a lie and the company is a ripoff:
<http://www.resellerratings.com/store/DHgate>

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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7b.

Re: Windows on a "Mac"

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:54 am (PST)



On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:

>> Well, I'm not entirely serious with that subject line. What do members think of the following:
>>
>> <http://www.dhgate.com/macbook-air-13-3-inch-laptop-win7-os-intel/p-ff8080813455fc36013463ad111c1bf2.html>
>
> The ad is a lie and the company is a ripoff:
> <http://www.resellerratings.com/store/DHgate>

Sure is Jim!

Who the heck would want to buy from China anyway? The land of fake imitations. Not to mention fake Apple Stores!

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

7c.

Re: Windows on a "Mac"

Posted by: "Jurgen Richter" yahoo-1@sympatico.ca   epsongroups

Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:45 am (PST)



... interesting site.... the landing page and product description page
are a direct "copy" of the standard eBay product/item pages I'm used to
seeing.

So these guys are a factory that manufactures look-alikes and they also
have the cohones to call them "MacBook Air" too... only in China you say....

Not to digress from the subject too much, the model I glanced over looks
like a nifty little netbook similar to the dual processor Intel Atoms
currently on the market here for around $300, all stylishly encased in a
MacBook Air look-alike case, complete with an "Apple" logo. Price in U$
458 if you buy just one. + shipping + customs brokerage + duties + taxes
on import...
Certainly an attractive unit. Comes with 2GB RAM and a 60 GB SSD, so no
moving parts hard drive. And the peripherals all sport an "Apple" logo
too. Not specific, it says Windows 7 but does not elaborate which
flavour it is.
Perhaps the cases are "genuine" but factory seconds that did not make it
past quality control for the "real Apple" product... or not...

Someone will also find a way to hack an OSX system onto one of these
they way it was/is done on the proverbial "hackintoshes" using similar
intel hardware based netbooks and mini notebooks.

Shipping costs to the US start at $0 with EMS to $127 with TNT

Big thing at the end of the day will be the total landed costs for the $
amount, but further issues will most likely be after sales support and
warranty coverage, and replacement parts, if any would be available.
Other than that, would you trust your credit card to their payment system?

For my $ after all those steps, I can have a real MacBook Air, though
pre-owned, last generation, with still some Appecare on it, already
running OSX Leopard or Lion, with a virtualization app to run a genuine
copy of Win XP or 7, or even 8 (whenever it comes out)...

Food for thought...

7d.

Re: Windows on a "Mac"

Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com   jonkreisler

Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:01 pm (PST)



If the actual product bears an Apple logo, they are in violation of Apple's
Intellectual Property rights and probably copyrights too.

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Jurgen Richter <yahoo-1@sympatico.ca>wrote:

> **
>
>
> ... interesting site.... the landing page and product description page
> are a direct "copy" of the standard eBay product/item pages I'm used to
> seeing.
>
> So these guys are a factory that manufactures look-alikes and they also
> have the cohones to call them "MacBook Air" too... only in China you
> say....
>
> Not to digress from the subject too much, the model I glanced over looks
> like a nifty little netbook similar to the dual processor Intel Atoms
> currently on the market here for around $300, all stylishly encased in a
> MacBook Air look-alike case, complete with an "Apple" logo. Price in U$
> 458 if you buy just one. + shipping + customs brokerage + duties + taxes
> on import...
> Certainly an attractive unit. Comes with 2GB RAM and a 60 GB SSD, so no
> moving parts hard drive. And the peripherals all sport an "Apple" logo
> too. Not specific, it says Windows 7 but does not elaborate which
> flavour it is.
> Perhaps the cases are "genuine" but factory seconds that did not make it
> past quality control for the "real Apple" product... or not...
>
> Someone will also find a way to hack an OSX system onto one of these
> they way it was/is done on the proverbial "hackintoshes" using similar
> intel hardware based netbooks and mini notebooks.
>
> Shipping costs to the US start at $0 with EMS to $127 with TNT
>
> Big thing at the end of the day will be the total landed costs for the $
> amount, but further issues will most likely be after sales support and
> warranty coverage, and replacement parts, if any would be available.
> Other than that, would you trust your credit card to their payment system?
>
> For my $ after all those steps, I can have a real MacBook Air, though
> pre-owned, last generation, with still some Appecare on it, already
> running OSX Leopard or Lion, with a virtualization app to run a genuine
> copy of Win XP or 7, or even 8 (whenever it comes out)...
>
> Food for thought...
>
> __.
>

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7e.

Re: Windows on a "Mac"

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:08 pm (PST)



On Dec 23, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Jon Kreisler wrote:

> If the actual product bears an Apple logo, they are in violation of Apple's
> Intellectual Property rights and probably copyrights too.

China doesn't recognize this as a government.

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

8a.

Harvested Email Addresses

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:22 pm (PST)



I got a piece of spam in the inbox of the account I use for this group. There were other members listed in the 'to' field of the spam.

Just to let people know that some not too bright person is harvesting addresses here and creating spam. He didn't even bother to hide the 'to' recipients.

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

8b.

Re: Harvested Email Addresses

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:48 pm (PST)



Thanks Harry. Whatever we do, it might be too late as he's got our email
addresses.

Otto

On 23 December 2011 21:22, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net> wrote:

> I got a piece of spam in the inbox of the account I use for this group.
> There were other members listed in the 'to' field of the spam.
>
> Just to let people know that some not too bright person is harvesting
> addresses here and creating spam. He didn't even bother to hide the 'to'
> recipients.
>

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8c.

Re: Harvested Email Addresses

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:53 pm (PST)



On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> Thanks Harry. Whatever we do, it might be too late as he's got our email
> addresses.
>
> Otto
>
> On 23 December 2011 21:22, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I got a piece of spam in the inbox of the account I use for this group.
>> There were other members listed in the 'to' field of the spam.
>>
>> Just to let people know that some not too bright person is harvesting
>> addresses here and creating spam. He didn't even bother to hide the 'to'
>> recipients.
>>
>

Hey, it happens from time to time. People should realize what phishing is, if they don't know. It's fairly obvious these days, but many people do fall for it.

Look at the originating domain in the from email address. Usually a big clue here. Banks DO NOT have gmail or yahoo accounts. Neither do reputable electronic storefronts.

Banks or e-services will NEVER ask you to change your password online, nor, ask for banking info, social security numbers, phone number�etc.

COMMON SENSE people.

You'd be surprised at the number of people that overlook the obvious. Believe me IT IS obvious 99.9%+ of the time!

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

9a.

Re: list comeon ???

Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com   newalander

Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:38 pm (PST)




Does anyone know anything about this?
Many of the names here come from this list.

Thanx. Oneal

> From: Scott Essex <scottessex200@yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, 2011 December 23, 16:21:05
> To: Just Murray <krismurray@gmail.com>, melissa tucker <melissatucker4@att.net>, "llewellynedwards@aol.com" <llewellynedwards@aol.com>, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net>, Michael Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net>, Lyle Syverson <lutefisk4me2@sbcglobal.net>, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com>, Michie Kobayashi <michie.kobayashi@gmail.com>, Nick Andriash <medic65@telus.net>, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com>
> Subject: Apple Ipod Nano
> Reply-To: Scott Essex <scottessex200@yahoo.com>
>
> Participation Confirmation #057-3634
>
> Congratulations! You've been selected to participate in My Exclusive Rewards� Touchscreen MP3 Player promotion.
>
> Get music at your fingertips with the all-new Apple(R) iPod(R) nano(R) FREE, details apply. Featuring a 1.5� Multi-Touch screen, the completely redesigned nano(R) offers an FM radio, built-in clip, and up to 24 hours of battery life�plus it�s half the size. Choose from seven sleek colors.
>
> To experience the totally new iPod(R) nano(R), please follow this link.
>
> http://peerfly.com/x/0/1938/50232/
>
> Best regards,
> Jeff L.
> Reward Representative
> My Exclusive Rewards

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9b.

Re: list comeon ???

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:47 pm (PST)



On Dec 23, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Oneal Neumann wrote:

>
> Does anyone know anything about this?
> Many of the names here come from this list.
>
> Thanx. Oneal

Yes, I posted right before you about it. The person wasn't even smart enough to hide the to field. Address harvesting.

Someone got in and did it and took off!

H

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

9c.

Re: list comeon ???

Posted by: "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen@earthlink.net   dougyelmen

Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:53 pm (PST)



i believe that is what is referred to as a phishing expedition. well, okay, not expedition.
it has happened to me, and several people i know.
the important thing, and i know 99% of you know this, is NOT to open the link.

doug, mod
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

�Truthful words are not beautiful; beautiful words are not truthful. Good words are not persuasive; persuasive words are not good.� ~ Lao Tzu

On Dec 23, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Oneal Neumann wrote:

>
> Does anyone know anything about this?
> Many of the names here come from this list.
>
> Thanx. Oneal
>
>
>> From: Scott Essex <scottessex200@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Friday, 2011 December 23, 16:21:05
>> To: Just Murray <krismurray@gmail.com>, melissa tucker <melissatucker4@att.net>, "llewellynedwards@aol.com" <llewellynedwards@aol.com>, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net>, Michael Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net>, Lyle Syverson <lutefisk4me2@sbcglobal.net>, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com>, Michie Kobayashi <michie.kobayashi@gmail.com>, Nick Andriash <medic65@telus.net>, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Apple Ipod Nano
>> Reply-To: Scott Essex <scottessex200@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Participation Confirmation #057-3634
>>
>> Congratulations! You've been selected to participate in My Exclusive Rewards� Touchscreen MP3 Player promotion.
>>
>> Get music at your fingertips with the all-new Apple(R) iPod(R) nano(R) FREE, details apply. Featuring a 1.5� Multi-Touch screen, the completely redesigned nano(R) offers an FM radio, built-in clip, and up to 24 hours of battery life�plus it�s half the size. Choose from seven sleek colors.
>>
>> To experience the totally new iPod(R) nano(R), please follow this link.
>>
>> http://peerfly.com/x/0/1938/50232/
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jeff L.
>> Reward Representative
>> My Exclusive Rewards
>
>
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9d.

Re: list comeon ???

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:26 pm (PST)



Oneal Neumann wrote:
>
> Does anyone know anything about this?
> Many of the names here come from this list.
>
> Thanx. Oneal

No. I looked at it three times, checked the Message Source, and decided
I wanted no part of it, and summarily tossed it out before clicking on
anything!

keith

>> From: Scott Essex<scottessex200@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Friday, 2011 December 23, 16:21:05
>> To: Just Murray<krismurray@gmail.com>, melissa tucker<melissatucker4@att.net>, "llewellynedwards@aol.com"<llewellynedwards@aol.com>, "N.A. Nada"<whodo678@comcast.net>, Michael Stupinski<mpstupinski@snet.net>, Lyle Syverson<lutefisk4me2@sbcglobal.net>, Keith Whaley<keith_w@dslextreme.com>, Michie Kobayashi<michie.kobayashi@gmail.com>, Nick Andriash<medic65@telus.net>, Oneal Neumann<wardell.h.s@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Apple Ipod Nano
>> Reply-To: Scott Essex<scottessex200@yahoo.com>
>>
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Posted by: "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen@earthlink.net   dougyelmen

Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:54 pm (PST)




i got one too, Oneal.
just before your email.

doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

�Truthful words are not beautiful; beautiful words are not truthful. Good words are not persuasive; persuasive words are not good.� ~ Lao Tzu

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