12/01/2011

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1a.

Keeping up with Malware

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:50 am (PST)



Interesting article on increasing OSX malware threat and Apple's relatively slow pace keeping up with XProtect.

http://tinyurl.com/d883ev3

Cheers,

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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Re: Keeping up with Malware

Posted by: "paul smith" kullervo@nycap.rr.com   waldonny

Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:13 pm (PST)



Your characterization of the Mac malware threat as "increasing" is debatable, IMHO.
At any rate, here is the conclusion reached in the article:

Even though the Flashback malware is not very prevalent and getting infected requires the purposeful installation of applications that were not obtained from a legitimate download source, it may still be wise to have an option for scanning for and detecting it, especially if you are uncertain about computing practices that could lead to getting malware on a system.

Note: "not very prevalent" and "requires the purposeful installation" of apps "not obtained from a legitimate download source".
--
PSmith
MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM, OS 10.7.2 iPhone 4S 64 GB, iOS 5.0.1

On Nov 30, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

Interesting article on increasing OSX malware threat and Apple's relatively slow pace keeping up with XProtect.

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Re: Keeping up with Malware

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:46 pm (PST)



Tod, would you mind also sending the full URLs.

On Nov 30, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

> Interesting article on increasing OSX malware threat and Apple's relatively slow pace keeping up with XProtect.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d883ev3

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Re: Keeping up with Malware

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:02 pm (PST)




On Nov 30, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

> Interesting article on increasing OSX malware threat..

By what standard is it increasing? The fact that there have been a
couple of Trojan Horses that are exceedingly rare, released in the
past year?

How many people do you know who have had a verifiable problem with
Mac malware where they sustained damage?
How many of us are downloading pirated software from torrents so that
we are even exposed to these Trojans?

Here is a list of all known Mac malware:
http://www.reedcorner.net/guides/macvirus/malware_catalog.php

Where is this big increase in Mac malware? Especially Mac malware
with a significant threat level?

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

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Re: Keeping up with Malware

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:04 pm (PST)




On Nov 30, 2011, at 9:46 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:

> Tod, would you mind also sending the full URLs.

Tod sent you a tiny URL, for your convenience. Is there some reason
that you can't follow it and get the full URL?

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

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Re: Keeping up with Malware

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Thu Dec 1, 2011 3:32 am (PST)



On 1 December 2011 07:04, Randy B. Singer <randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

>
> Tod sent you a tiny URL, for your convenience. Is there some reason
> that you can't follow it and get the full URL?
>

I wondered that too. As it happens, the full URL is very long and would get
chopped up by Yahoo's mail server anyway, no doubt resulting in someone
having to provide instructions on how to reassemble it!

Otto

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Screen Flickering on Macbook Pro & Customer Relations

Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com   arjunsinghal

Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:12 am (PST)



Hi

I recently floated a thread about the screen flickering problem on my MacBook Pro Late 2008 Edition. I submitted the notebook for the umpteenth time with the Authorized Apple Service Provider but haven't heard from them till now.

What I'd like to check with others is on the behavior of customer relations towards customers? As a end user, I have been quite a spender in their store in India, for a whole lot of products in the family and then a lot more when we're starting business.

The problem with the screen started earlier this year and the store people who also manage the authorised repair center started changing the parts of the system, and I didn't realize the problem wouldn't get solved each time I got the system back, before I started complaining to Customer Relations that I have been going around in endless circles getting one part replaced after another with no resolution to the problem.

What is queer is that I am complaining since so many months, and after I raised a concern on the 17th of November that I should be entitled for a replacement, considering I have given the notebook in so many times, and my work is getting so much impacted every time I have to extract data, they say that as of November 21st they have a changed policy for India, that replacements won't be provided to people living in India.

I found this very weird since they recognized at first that if a unit is going in for repairs repeatedly and issue is not getting resolved, a replacement must be provided. In fact, they told me that logistics would be contacting me, and I must continue dealing with them. Later, they came back to me that there has been a change in policy and that I must ship the notebook to Singapore in order to get the replacement that was due to me. This is when it became utterly ridiculous, since Apple has been selling products in India through authorised resellers and service providers at a large scale, who are also expanding rapidly owing to the boom in India, both in personal computing and industrial use. And the resellers proudly talk about apple products, quality and service and also say that an Apple Store should be opening in India soon which would be a boon to their business and their commitment towards India.

But my experience is really hurting my sentiments against the company, because I've spend a few hundred thousand on their products, and something so small as covering the product properly under warranty is costing me so much time and effort and I am going around in circles and getting nowhere. In fact, Customer Relations at one point in time mentioned that the policy change is affecting all vendors in India, and I made another round of calls to confirm the same with the resellers and other manufacturers that I have purchased products in office from, and everyone said that they are not informed and that I should talk to Customer Relations again.

Then, my call was transferred to an agent in Ireland who seemed surprised at the proceeds happening from the Singapore team of Customer Relations and mentioned that she would be writing a note to the team telling them to look at more options like shipping in the replacement from an alternate country, if they're having trouble shipping through Singapore, and she assured me that she would be getting back to me after reviewing options herself, but then even she went blank. I called back at her number in Ireland and her colleague assured me that I would be getting a call back as she was busy, and was trying to adjust things.

What is startling is that Apple continues to ship products in India. iPads, iPhones (including the iPhone 4S) are officially available here, and most products are priced at a premium as compared to international prices in other countries. Replacements are provided for products under warranty - especially iPods, iPads, iPhones and Wi-Fi equipment are not repaired at the service centers here. And this means that the logistic channels exist.

But they are singling out customers or a batch of customers and creating policies to reduce service levels, and this is more so evident because my notebook itself has been replaced a few years back - at a time when there were much fewer stores in India, much fewer service centers (I remember they started out of Bangalore, when I was still a university student) and people thought of Apple products in India as gadgets for the branded elite when the PC market was dominated with unbranded equipment.

Today, as the market gets competitive, I am unhappy to share my feedback and experience with the group and would like to learn from others what they think about what I am going through, and what could be a possible recourse to the situation so I get adequate and satisfactory service for the product I have purchased, having paid for the product in India with an apple cover that was due for India, not in Singapore. The company is still operating here, and thus, shouldn't I be eligible for the same quality of service that customers are provided elsewhere? Especially when they are ready to offer me that service if I ship the product to them in Singapore at my cost and risk?

They asked me to submit the product again at the Authorised Service Provider, and the unit is with them again, and I am feeling so lost, firstly without the notebook which has been torn, ripped and stitched together like an ordinary piece of equipment which has no pedigree and behaves as though it's been put together from parts salvaged from repaired, broken or misused equipment, and secondly because, I am not getting proper service. I am feeling as though Customer Relations at Apple has left me in the lurch.

Sorry for the long note.

Regards,
Arjun
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Screen Flickering Problem & Customer Relations

Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com   arjunsinghal

Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:12 am (PST)



Hi

I recently floated a thread about the screen flickering problem on my MacBook Pro Late 2008 Edition. I submitted the notebook for the umpteenth time with the Authorized Apple Service Provider but haven't heard from them till now.

What I'd like to check with others is on the behavior of customer relations towards customers? As a end user, I have been quite a spender in their store in India, for a whole lot of products in the family and then a lot more when we're starting business.

The problem with the screen started earlier this year and the store people who also manage the authorised repair center started changing the parts of the system, and I didn't realize the problem wouldn't get solved each time I got the system back, before I started complaining to Customer Relations that I have been going around in endless circles getting one part replaced after another with no resolution to the problem.

What is queer is that I am complaining since so many months, and after I raised a concern on the 17th of November that I should be entitled for a replacement, considering I have given the notebook in so many times, and my work is getting so much impacted every time I have to extract data, they say that as of November 21st they have a changed policy for India, that replacements won't be provided to people living in India.

I found this very weird since they recognized at first that if a unit is going in for repairs repeatedly and issue is not getting resolved, a replacement must be provided. In fact, they told me that logistics would be contacting me, and I must continue dealing with them. Later, they came back to me that there has been a change in policy and that I must ship the notebook to Singapore in order to get the replacement that was due to me. This is when it became utterly ridiculous, since Apple has been selling products in India through authorised resellers and service providers at a large scale, who are also expanding rapidly owing to the boom in India, both in personal computing and industrial use. And the resellers proudly talk about apple products, quality and service and also say that an Apple Store should be opening in India soon which would be a boon to their business and their commitment towards India.

But my experience is really hurting my sentiments against the company, because I've spend a few hundred thousand on their products, and something so small as covering the product properly under warranty is costing me so much time and effort and I am going around in circles and getting nowhere. In fact, Customer Relations at one point in time mentioned that the policy change is affecting all vendors in India, and I made another round of calls to confirm the same with the resellers and other manufacturers that I have purchased products in office from, and everyone said that they are not informed and that I should talk to Customer Relations again.

Then, my call was transferred to an agent in Ireland who seemed surprised at the proceeds happening from the Singapore team of Customer Relations and mentioned that she would be writing a note to the team telling them to look at more options like shipping in the replacement from an alternate country, if they're having trouble shipping through Singapore, and she assured me that she would be getting back to me after reviewing options herself, but then even she went blank. I called back at her number in Ireland and her colleague assured me that I would be getting a call back as she was busy, and was trying to adjust things.

What is startling is that Apple continues to ship products in India. iPads, iPhones (including the iPhone 4S) are officially available here, and most products are priced at a premium as compared to international prices in other countries. Replacements are provided for products under warranty - especially iPods, iPads, iPhones and Wi-Fi equipment are not repaired at the service centers here. And this means that the logistic channels exist.

But they are singling out customers or a batch of customers and creating policies to reduce service levels, and this is more so evident because my notebook itself has been replaced a few years back - at a time when there were much fewer stores in India, much fewer service centers (I remember they started out of Bangalore, when I was still a university student) and people thought of Apple products in India as gadgets for the branded elite when the PC market was dominated with unbranded equipment.

Today, as the market gets competitive, I am unhappy to share my feedback and experience with the group and would like to learn from others what they think about what I am going through, and what could be a possible recourse to the situation so I get adequate and satisfactory service for the product I have purchased, having paid for the product in India with an apple cover that was due for India, not in Singapore. The company is still operating here, and thus, shouldn't I be eligible for the same quality of service that customers are provided elsewhere? Especially when they are ready to offer me that service if I ship the product to them in Singapore at my cost and risk?

They asked me to submit the product again at the Authorised Service Provider, and the unit is with them again, and I am feeling so lost, firstly without the notebook which has been torn, ripped and stitched together like an ordinary piece of equipment which has no pedigree and behaves as though it's been put together from parts salvaged from repaired, broken or misused equipment, and secondly because, I am not getting proper service. I am feeling as though Customer Relations at Apple has left me in the lurch.

Sorry for the long note.

Regards,
Arjun
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Re: Screen Flickering Problem & Customer Relations

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:14 pm (PST)



On 11/30/2011 2:12 PM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> I recently floated a thread about the screen flickering problem on my MacBook Pro Late 2008 Edition. I submitted the notebook for the umpteenth time with the Authorized Apple Service Provider but haven't heard from them till now.
First of all, nothing against Apple authorized service, but, I used one
for a short while, and found the Apple Store service and support more
diligent and effective. I swear by them, even if I have to travel an
hour and a half to get there.

Be aware, also, that Applecare encompasses on site service.

Harry

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Re: Screen Flickering Problem & Customer Relations

Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com   arjunsinghal

Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:47 pm (PST)



Hi Harry

I have been an apple customer in India since 2005 and never have I encountered on site service being offered by their vendors here. I guess they offer it for desktops but the vendors mention that even the iMac and Mac Minis are pretty portable if you are using TFT or LCD displays.

On an average I need to drive 2 hours one way to visit an authorised service provider, often depending on where I am located when I need service. I once remember needing to drive 8 hours just to buy a spare power adaptor because the one that came with the equipment stopped working and they provided me the replacement not before next day which they couldn't send my mail so I had to make another trip in the next few days.

Till now, they were looking good providing service but now it feels as if they want the customer to run around in circles. I have a stack of 10 receipts in 2 months for just the screen flickering problem. And I must mention, mine is a scratch less machine that has been so carefully used, it looks better than a demo machine that has been used for just a day in any of their stores.

Regards,
Arjun
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On 01-Dec-2011, at 3:44 AM, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 11/30/2011 2:12 PM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> > I recently floated a thread about the screen flickering problem on my MacBook Pro Late 2008 Edition. I submitted the notebook for the umpteenth time with the Authorized Apple Service Provider but haven't heard from them till now.
> First of all, nothing against Apple authorized service, but, I used one
> for a short while, and found the Apple Store service and support more
> diligent and effective. I swear by them, even if I have to travel an
> hour and a half to get there.
>
> Be aware, also, that Applecare encompasses on site service.
>
> Harry
>
>

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Screen Flickering Problem & Customer Relations

Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com   arjunsinghal

Thu Dec 1, 2011 3:55 am (PST)



Hi All

Keeping this one short. I am sorry for the earlier long email that explained my experience with Apple Customer Relations.

Today, I received a call from Customer Relations again asking me to again contact the Authorised Service Center, and the service center again said that they are unable to see what the problem is like. When while handing over the unit to them they, I showed them the screen flicker right in their store. Their engineer says that we put the machine onto diagnostic tests, and most of the time they are loaded with work, which means none of their engineers sits on the machine and does anything worthwhile to be able to notice the irritating screen flicker that happens like a flash a few times every hour.

I relayed this to Customer Relations on today's call as well - and its becoming pretty evident that they together are refusing to recognize the problem, especially when I also have recorded the problem over a continuous video clip that captures the flicker and also captures the serial number of the notebook. These also I have sent to customer relations, and they first recognized that the unit must be replaced, but now they are making new excuses every other day. First a policy issue and now a physical verification, which the repair center doesn't want to accept.

If one looks from the repair center angle - they have carried out a series of repairs on the notebook and naturally, it will reflect badly on their part if they are doing an incorrect diagnosis and basically wrecking a machine by changing parts that do not need replacement. So they are not willing to acknowledge their fault.

And I as a customer, am left without a notebook and have been running around in circles trying to get service. Sometimes I seriously wonder, how much easier it must be to sit in an office and make phone calls while the customer at the other end is running across cities at your direction to visit a service engineer.

This time as well, I didn't get any information about service at the doorstep. I'll update the group of the latest as things happen.

Regards,
Arjun

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Transferring video from Mac to TiVO

Posted by: "houseplantpicturestudiousa" houseplantpicturestudiousa@yahoo.com   houseplantpicturestudiousa

Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:57 pm (PST)



I never had a problem transferring video files from my old 2007 iMac to our SERIES 2 TiVO DVR - however we've just upgraded to a TiVO Premier XL DVR and I'm having difficulty using either Roxio Mac2Tivo or PyTivoX

Yesterday I transferred two AVI files to TiVo thru Mac2Tivo.
The video came out great, but there was no sound on either file

The TiVo HELP area on their website is not helpful. I was wondering if anyone has any general advice on these matters or if there are better alternatives to Mac2Tivo or PyTivoX ??

thanks

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Re: Where can I ask questions for my iPhoto?

Posted by: "harpangel36" harpangel36@yahoo.com   harpangel36

Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:59 pm (PST)



Thank you, Otto. My questions was: I would like to have separate iphoto libraries because I am running out of room
on my MBP. One library will be stored on my portable hard drive (of photos I
have taken up until now) and the other will consist of photos I am working on
from here on. Is there anything I should now, t prevent any problems, when
setting up a new library? I have heard rumors that if it isn't done correctly it
could be a real nightmare.
I actually went to the Apple store today and they answered the questions. But, thank you anyway!! I do have another question, but I will post it in a new message

Roxanne

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> This is a good place but sometimes messages get delayed by Yahoo. Could you
> repeat the first unanswered one, please?
>
> Otto
>
> On 30 November 2011 02:53, harpangel36 <harpangel36@...> wrote:
>
> > Could someone please direct me to where I can get a few answer to
> > questions regarding my iPhoto library and portable hard drive? If not this
> > forum, where else could I ask?
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: Where can I ask questions for my iPhoto?

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Thu Dec 1, 2011 3:10 am (PST)



There should be no problems in keeping more than one library. To create a
new one, hold down the Option key when starting iPhoto and choose the
location. This library will be the default after this if you *do not* use
the Option key so make sure the relevant external drive is connected. When
you want to switch back to the other library, again use the Option key and
choose accordingly. This will now remain the default library until you
again use the Option key.

I don't see how a nightmare would occur even if you forget which library
you are using.

Now, the obvious question: will you want to add your "current" photos to
the external library every so often?

Otto

On 1 December 2011 03:59, harpangel36 <harpangel36@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Otto. My questions was: I would like to have separate iphoto
> libraries because I am running out of room
> on my MBP. One library will be stored on my portable hard drive (of photos
> I
> have taken up until now) and the other will consist of photos I am working
> on
> from here on. Is there anything I should now, t prevent any problems, when
> setting up a new library? I have heard rumors that if it isn't done
> correctly it
> could be a real nightmare.
> I actually went to the Apple store today and they answered the questions.
> But, thank you anyway!! I do have another question, but I will post it in a
> new message
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: Where can I ask questions for my iPhoto?

Posted by: "harpangel36" harpangel36@yahoo.com   harpangel36

Thu Dec 1, 2011 3:48 am (PST)



Thank you, Otto. I was thinking of having my 1st library of my pics from 2001 through 2011 and starting fresh with a new library of 2012 through ....Though I only had 9,000 pics and videos it did consume a lot of space and I read that iPhoto would launch slower if I had too many photos in a single library. That really is the only reason I am creating a new one.

Roxanne

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> There should be no problems in keeping more than one library. To create a
> new one, hold down the Option key when starting iPhoto and choose the
> location. This library will be the default after this if you *do not* use
> the Option key so make sure the relevant external drive is connected. When
> you want to switch back to the other library, again use the Option key and
> choose accordingly. This will now remain the default library until you
> again use the Option key.
>
> I don't see how a nightmare would occur even if you forget which library
> you are using.
>
> Now, the obvious question: will you want to add your "current" photos to
> the external library every so often?
>
> Otto

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Aperture Trial Error

Posted by: "harpangel36" harpangel36@yahoo.com   harpangel36

Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:05 pm (PST)



I downloaded the free trial for Aperture today. I did the same process on moth my iMac and my MacBook Pro with the exact same problems. I downloaded the .dmg but it wouldn't open because it said it had a checksum error. So I went into disk utilities and unchecked the "verify checksum" (since I knew the file was straight from the Apple site. After that he .dmg opened and gave me the .mpkg. I opened that and it went through the installation process and I got a message at the end saying the installation failed. Both computers did the same thing. They are both running the latest software. Any suggestions?

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Re: Aperture Trial Error

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Thu Dec 1, 2011 3:12 am (PST)



This is very unusual. Are you sure it's the correct version, and was the
download interrupted?

Otto

On 1 December 2011 04:05, harpangel36 <harpangel36@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I downloaded the free trial for Aperture today. I did the same process on
> moth my iMac and my MacBook Pro with the exact same problems. I downloaded
> the .dmg but it wouldn't open because it said it had a checksum error. So I
> went into disk utilities and unchecked the "verify checksum" (since I knew
> the file was straight from the Apple site. After that he .dmg opened and
> gave me the .mpkg. I opened that and it went through the installation
> process and I got a message at the end saying the installation failed. Both
> computers did the same thing. They are both running the latest software.
> Any suggestions?
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: Aperture Trial Error

Posted by: "harpangel36" harpangel36@yahoo.com   harpangel36

Thu Dec 1, 2011 3:43 am (PST)



I watched the download complete in Safari and also when I tried in Firefox, so I know it fully downloaded. I'm beginning to think it is a problem with the file from Apple. But there is only one option on the Apple Aperture page and it says download free trial here. So I'm just not sure.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> This is very unusual. Are you sure it's the correct version, and was the
> download interrupted?
>
> Otto
>
> On 1 December 2011 04:05, harpangel36 <harpangel36@...> wrote:
>
> > I downloaded the free trial for Aperture today. I did the same process on
> > moth my iMac and my MacBook Pro with the exact same problems. I downloaded
> > the .dmg but it wouldn't open because it said it had a checksum error. So I
> > went into disk utilities and unchecked the "verify checksum" (since I knew
> > the file was straight from the Apple site. After that he .dmg opened and
> > gave me the .mpkg. I opened that and it went through the installation
> > process and I got a message at the end saying the installation failed. Both
> > computers did the same thing. They are both running the latest software.
> > Any suggestions?
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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7a.

Forcing a sorted list with a character

Posted by: "Rob Frankel" rob@robfrankel.com   robfrankeldotcom

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:07 pm (PST)



Greetings:

At one time, I recall one could sort a list alphabetically in any
application (or even the Finder) and simply placing a tilde ( ~ ) as
the first character of the item, force it to the bottom of the list.

I've found that's no longer possible. Having searched the web with
no luck, I though I'd try the knowledgeable crew here.

Anyone know the character that would force a list item to be sorted after Z?

Thanks,

--
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Re: Forcing a sorted list with a character

Posted by: "George Barker" lynxster@ihug.com.au   four46

Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:17 pm (PST)



>At one time, I recall one could sort a list alphabetically in any
>application (or even the Finder) and simply placing a tilde ( ~ ) as
>the first character of the item, force it to the bottom of the list.
>
>I've found that's no longer possible. Having searched the web with
>no luck, I though I'd try the knowledgeable crew here.
>
>Anyone know the character that would force a list item to be sorted after Z?

Rob

I just tried this and you're right - it no longer works. The tilde,
which has a higher ASCII number than z, used to (I'm almost certain)
sort after z.

It appears that somewhere along the way the FInder's sort pattern has
changed and it now places all the non-alpha-numeric characters at the
beginning of the list.

As long as you don't have some *definite need* for them appearing at
the end of the sort you can still use the tilde (and other
non-alpha-numeric characters) at the start of a file name. The only
difference being that they will all appear at the *top* of the list
when sorted by name.

George
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