12/08/2011

[macsupport] Digest Number 8607

Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)

1a.
Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models From: Otto Nikolaus
1b.
Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models From: OBrien
1c.
Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models From: Harry Flaxman
1d.
Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models From: Eric
2a.
Re: Projecting from the iPhone and iPad From: Rex Neff
3a.
Re: Questions for Giving my MBP to a friend for Christmas? From: imran khan
3b.
Re: Questions for Giving my MBP to a friend for Christmas? From: harpangel36
4a.
Re: How to stop emails From: Keith Whaley
4b.
Re: How to stop emails From: Barry Austern
5a.
Re: inactivate emails From: Jeannie
5b.
Re: inactivate emails From: Barry Austern
5c.
Re: inactivate emails From: Keith Whaley
5d.
Re: inactivate emails From: Jim Saklad
5e.
Re: inactivate emails From: Barry Austern
6a.
Re: File attachments in Lion Mail vs. Entourage From: Oneal Neumann
7a.
Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ??? From: Oneal Neumann
7b.
Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ??? From: Jim Saklad
7c.
Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ??? From: Oneal Neumann
7d.
Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ??? From: Barry Austern
8.
Siri For Mac? From: Harry Flaxman
9a.
Re: camera-card file-retrieval app From: Oneal Neumann
9b.
Re: camera-card file-retrieval app From: Oneal Neumann
9c.
Re: camera-card file-retrieval app From: Otto Nikolaus
9d.
Re: camera-card file-retrieval app From: Otto Nikolaus
10.
Apple Store - Grand Central To Open Tomorrow! From: Harry Flaxman

Messages

1a.

Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:32 am (PST)



There are some good articles at Low End Mac.
<http://lowendmac.com/editorials/index.shtml>
<http://lowendmac.com/roadapples/>

Otto

On 8 December 2011 00:39, Eric <emanmb@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks Tod.
> MacTracker is a good idea as referring back to everymac.com all the time
> is a pain.
>

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1b.

Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models

Posted by: "OBrien" bco@hiwaay.net   conorboru

Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:00 am (PST)



On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 00:19:31 -0500, Jim Saklad wrote:
> The last Powermac came in 3 flavors: 2.0, 2.3, and *dual* 2.5 GHz.

Mine is a dual 2 GHz G5. It's working fine.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

O'Brien ––– –... .-. .. . -.
1c.

Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:03 am (PST)



On Dec 8, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>>> If you can stand being limited to 10.4, I would have recommended the G5 Quad.
>>
>> G5 Quad?? I had a PowerMac G5, top of the line available at the time, but it was not a quad.
>> Where do you see this listed in Apple's history?
>> Harry
>
> The last Powermac came in 3 flavors: 2.0, 2.3, and *dual* 2.5 GHz.
> All were *dual* core G5 processors.
> So the top of the line, with 2 dual-core 2.5 GHz units, was a quaddie.
>
> MacTracker says:
>> Introduced October 2005
>> Discontinued August 2006
>> Model Identifier PowerMac11,2
>> Model Number A1117 (2.0 GHz)
>> Order Number M9590LL/A (2.0 GHz), M9591LL/A (2.3 GHz), M9592LL/A (dual 2.5 GHz)
>>
>> Processor PowerPC 970MP (G5)
>> Processor Speed 2.0, 2.3, or dual 2.5 GHz
>> Number of Cores 2 per processor
>

Yup, I had the 2 dual core G5's. Thought I remembered correctly!

Thanks Jim.

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

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1d.

Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models

Posted by: "Eric" emanmb@yahoo.com   emanmb

Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:51 pm (PST)



Now we're getting somewhere. Coming up w/the keywords for searches like this is hard sometimes..."worst" was a helpful adjective to add to the mix.
So far I'm not seeing much in the way of widely agreed upon "dog" models.

What I have found are these poor performers:
Core Duo Mac mini February 2006
Core Solo Mac mini February 2006

Models using the 8600GT video card
Although I haven't found any other evidence other than a Macrumors forum where the 8600GT was mentioned by several as a "fiasco", seeing 4 or 5 posts on one subject made me take note.
http://tinyurl.com/82xfjme

I didn't mention it, but a mini is also a possibility instead of a Mac Pro. It will all come down to $$ unfortunately.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> There are some good articles at Low End Mac.
> <http://lowendmac.com/editorials/index.shtml>
> <http://lowendmac.com/roadapples/>
>
> Otto
>
> On 8 December 2011 00:39, Eric <emanmb@...> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Tod.
> > MacTracker is a good idea as referring back to everymac.com all the time
> > is a pain.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

2a.

Re: Projecting from the iPhone and iPad

Posted by: "Rex Neff" rn@essex1.com   ian000

Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:46 am (PST)



Here is a link to some info on the Apple website.
Might be of some use.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC552ZM/B

rn
On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Earle Jones wrote:

*
Question: I live in a retirement community (about 300 people in about 200 apartments.)

We give Mac demos and lessons to try to increase appreciation of the Mac platform. For this, we use a standard digital projector which works very well.

We also have a series on the iPhone and iPad. Is there a way to connect the iPhone or iPad to the projector for such classes? It would be much more convenient to project the iPhone and iPad screen. More people could appreciate our demos.

Many thanks!

earle
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_______________________
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Portola Valley CA 94028
Home: 650-424-4362
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3a.

Re: Questions for Giving my MBP to a friend for Christmas?

Posted by: "imran khan" sj.imran@gmail.com   sj.imran

Thu Dec 8, 2011 5:31 am (PST)



Honestly , it is good to start fresh. i agree with them. [?]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:58 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I agree. Drop the detritus and do clean installs. Move over only your
> documents, and leave behind all the preferences, settings, caches,
> etcetera. Take screen shots of the preferences and settings, but rethink
> each one as you set up the new Mac.
>
> When I get a new or "new to me" Mac, I only move over the "must have"
> "daily drivers", and add any other app only when I find a need for it and I
> have checked for updates.
>
> That way you don't move over any damaged or patched up changes and
> updates. You also get rid of any incompatibilities or corrupted crap.
>
> You will end up with more free space, and a faster Mac.
>
> BTW, leaving all your apps on the old Mac, is not right. It is done all
> the time, but it a violation of the terms of use.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>
> > Personally, I prefer to "rebuild" from scratch. It's a good opportunity
> to rethink all those "ruts" you did not even know you were in and you'll
> get better performance from fresh installs. It's amazing how much
> customizing you have done that you don't remember.
> >
> > tod
> >
> > On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:56 PM, harpangel36 wrote:
> >
> >> I have backed up everything on my old MBP with TM on an external hard
> drive. Would it be feasible to transfer to my new MBP using restore on the
> applications I have? Some like photoshop elements are not one I can just
> re-install from the app store.
> >>
> >> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "harpangel36" <harpangel36@...>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I will be giving my mid 2009 MBP to a good friend for Christmas and
> will be getting a new MBP. I am wondering a few things.
> >>>
> >>> 1.What is the best way to transfer from one MBP to another? There are
> some applications I don't want to transfer.
> >>> 2. I have VMfusion with windows 7 on my current MBP. Can I transfer
> that over to the new one, if I decide I still need it?
> >>> 3. All of the apps I have purchased, (pages, keynote, aperture, etc.)
> Can I leave them on for her and then reinstall from the Apple store on my
> new one?
> >>> Is there anything I should know that might be important in giving this
> as a gift to my friend?
>
>
>

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3b.

Re: Questions for Giving my MBP to a friend for Christmas?

Posted by: "harpangel36" harpangel36@yahoo.com   harpangel36

Thu Dec 8, 2011 3:33 pm (PST)



Should I delete the "users" folder before giving it to my friend? It contains 3 folders: one with my name, one that says "shared" and one called "test"

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, imran khan <sj.imran@...> wrote:
>
> Honestly , it is good to start fresh. i agree with them. [?]
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:58 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I agree. Drop the detritus and do clean installs. Move over only your
> > documents, and leave behind all the preferences, settings, caches,
> > etcetera. Take screen shots of the preferences and settings, but rethink
> > each one as you set up the new Mac.
> >
> > When I get a new or "new to me" Mac, I only move over the "must have"
> > "daily drivers", and add any other app only when I find a need for it and I
> > have checked for updates.
> >
> > That way you don't move over any damaged or patched up changes and
> > updates. You also get rid of any incompatibilities or corrupted crap.
> >
> > You will end up with more free space, and a faster Mac.
> >

4a.

Re: How to stop emails

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:41 am (PST)



OBrien wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 21:30:47 -0700, Esther Margonis wrote:
> > How do I stop emails from macsupportcentral? I am swamped.

> See at bottom of MacSupport messages.
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
> O'Brien

What you're looking for is the word "Unsubscribe."

Click on that and follow directions.

Good luck,

keith whaley

4b.

Re: How to stop emails

Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net   barryaus

Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:36 am (PST)



At 9:30 PM -0700 12/7/11, Esther Margonis wrote:

>How do I stop emails from macsupportcentral? I am swamped.

How is this message different from the other one you sent with a
slightly different name. Seems as if now you are not the only one who
is swamped. See my reply to the other message you just sent. Please
don't be so impatient.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

5a.

Re: inactivate emails

Posted by: "Jeannie" nikonjeannie@gmail.com   chloe898

Thu Dec 8, 2011 7:36 am (PST)



You can change your settings to only look on the web site, or you can
change to digest form.

Jeannie

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Esther Margonis <margonis@bresnan.net>wrote:

> How do I stop receiving emails from this group?
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5b.

Re: inactivate emails

Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net   barryaus

Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:36 am (PST)



At 9:13 PM -0700 12/7/11, Esther Margonis wrote:

>
>
>How do I stop receiving emails from this group?

Go to http://www.yahoogroups.com, select this group among all the
yahoogroups you subscribe to and find the "edit group" button near
the top of the page. It is small, so you might have trouble finding
it.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

5c.

Re: inactivate emails

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:05 am (PST)



Barry Austern wrote:
> At 9:13 PM -0700 12/7/11, Esther Margonis wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >How do I stop receiving emails from this group?

> Go to http://www.yahoogroups.com *, select this group among all the
> yahoogroups you subscribe to and find the "edit group" button near
> the top of the page. It is small, so you might have trouble finding
> it.
> --
> Barry Austern

(*) I got a Page Load Error. Page Not Found.

keith whaley

5d.

Re: inactivate emails

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:30 am (PST)



>> Go to http://www.yahoogroups.com *, select this group among all the yahoogroups you subscribe to and find the "edit group" button near the top of the page. It is small, so you might have trouble finding it.
>> Barry Austern
>
> (*) I got a Page Load Error. Page Not Found.
> keith whaley

It should redirect to <http://groups.yahoo.com/>.
If it doesn't, you probably have a name server error.
Just go there directly.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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5e.

Re: inactivate emails

Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net   barryaus

Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:46 am (PST)



At 10:04 AM -0800 12/8/11, Keith Whaley wrote:

>
>
>Barry Austern wrote:
>> At 9:13 PM -0700 12/7/11, Esther Margonis wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >How do I stop receiving emails from this group?
>
>> Go to <http://www.yahoogroups.com>http://www.yahoogroups.com *,
>>select this group among all the
>> yahoogroups you subscribe to and find the "edit group" button near
>> the top of the page. It is small, so you might have trouble finding
>> it.
>> --
>> Barry Austern
>
>(*) I got a Page Load Error. Page Not Found.

Try again. Maybe a temporary glitch. I just tried it and it worked for me.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

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6a.

Re: File attachments in Lion Mail vs. Entourage

Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com   newalander

Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:33 pm (PST)




On 2011 December 4 (at 19:29) Randy B. Singer wrote:

Mail is a hugely popular e-mail application. I've compiled a list of
about 30 other e-mail programs that are available for the Macintosh,
and if you'd like I can send it to you. But Mail has a bunch of
advantages over all of them. Not the least of which is the fact that
it is easy to use, there are tons of others using it so there is lots
of peer assistance available, it is dead stable, it just about never
hiccups and then loses your archived mail as many other apps do, it
is extensible, it can handle IMAP accounts, it can handle multiple e-
mail accounts, you can easily create rules, etc., etc. Randy B Singer

I had a Performa from 1996 until 2007. In that time I used Eudora Lite that had been provided by my ISP. When I purchased my iMac in early 2007, I bought Eudora Pro because it had been my perception that Eudora was the best email app.

I never used it. I was talked into trying Apple Mail and, in the long run, I don� think that I lost anything in the process. I hardly remember Eudora, except that its emails were yellow, whereas Apple Mail emails are white (the default color).

All things considered, as Randy points out, it� better to use the inhouse brand. For most people using Macs, there� probably no better email application than Mail.

Oneal

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7a.

Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ???

Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com   newalander

Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:33 pm (PST)




I may be one of the few on this list using the Dvorak keyboard, as opposed to the QWERTY. In concocting passwords I will often spell something out on the regular QWERTY keyboard and it will become transliterated by my Dvorak transliterator.

As an example, PASSWORD (regular) becomes LAOO,RPE (Dvorak).

Not that I am aware that it has ever happened to me, but does keystroke snooping pick up the end result (Dvorak) or the QWERTY keystrokes.

I suspect that the former (the Dvorak) gets recorded.

By the way, I am a selftaught touchtypist who can 'burst' to 40+ wpm. I learned to touchtype in my late 40s when I bought my first comp. As a result of being able to touchtype, I rarely (... \--: ...) make spelling mistakes, as I am always looking at the monitor. Of course, I always proof. (... [--: ...)

Dvorak was American whose name is pronounced differently than that of his Czech cousin, the famous composer. Do the wiki thing on the two Dvoraks.

Linguistically (but unmusically) Oneal

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7b.

Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ???

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:46 pm (PST)



> Not that I am aware that it has ever happened to me, but does keystroke snooping pick up the end result (Dvorak) or the QWERTY keystrokes.
>
> I suspect that the former (the Dvorak) gets recorded.

My initial (uninformed) guess would be that a keystroke logger logs the ASCII code.

> By the way, I am a selftaught touchtypist who can 'burst' to 40+ wpm. I learned to touchtype in my late 40s when I bought my first comp. As a result of being able to touchtype, I rarely (... \--: ...) make spelling mistakes, as I am always looking at the monitor. Of course, I always proof. (... [--: ...)

Emoticons don't seem to work well from a Dvorak keyboard.

The executive secretary at MIT's AI lab, in the mid-1970's, was flown out to IBM headquarters annually at their expense, to test their keyboards, because she could type 270 wpm....

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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7c.

Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ???

Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com   newalander

Thu Dec 8, 2011 1:28 pm (PST)




On 2011 December 8 (at 15:46) Jim Saklad wrote:

> By the way, I am a selftaught touchtypist who can 'burst' to 40+ wpm. I learned to touchtype in my late 40s when I bought my first comp. As a result of being able to touchtype, I rarely (... \--: ...) make spelling mistakes, as I am always looking at the monitor. Of course, I always proof. (... [--: ...)

Emoticons don't seem to work well from a Dvorak keyboard.

The executive secretary at MIT's AI lab, in the mid-1970's, was flown out to IBM headquarters annually at their expense, to test their keyboards, because she could type 270 wpm.... Jim Saklad

Now that (270 wpm) is truly blazing, Jim.

Actually, emoticons work the same on Dvorak keyboards.

Oneal

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7d.

Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ???

Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net   barryaus

Thu Dec 8, 2011 1:46 pm (PST)



At 4:28 PM -0500 12/8/11, Oneal Neumann wrote:

>The executive secretary at MIT's AI lab, in the mid-1970's, was
>flown out to IBM headquarters annually at their expense, to test
>their keyboards, because she could type 270 wpm.... Jim Saklad
>
>Now that (270 wpm) is truly blazing, Jim.

Depends on what words. Although "antidisestablishmentarianism" is a
word, so is "a."
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

8.

Siri For Mac?

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Thu Dec 8, 2011 1:55 pm (PST)

9a.

Re: camera-card file-retrieval app

Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com   newalander

Thu Dec 8, 2011 2:02 pm (PST)




On 2011 December 8 (at 06:49) Otto Nikolaus wrote:

On 7 December 2011 15:44, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have never used Terminal to set up anything, so I am a bit leery
> of it Otto.

I can understand that but this one is well written and it takes
you through the steps. I'll help if needed. BTW It's actually
TestDisk that you download and install: this includes PhotoRec. Otto

Does picture-file recovery also include Exif (and other) data Otto?

I did download TestDisk, but have not used it yet. Oneal

9b.

Re: camera-card file-retrieval app

Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com   newalander

Thu Dec 8, 2011 2:10 pm (PST)




On 2011 December 8 (at 07:01) Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> Can someone explain why using Trash for photo files no longer frees up
> [camera] space? Thanx for the help thus far. Oneal

In OS X each drive (volume) has its own Trash folder. When you delete any
file, it is moved to the Trash folder *on that drive*. If Trash does not
already exist, it is created. (There's a Terminal command to stop this and
force immediate deletion, which I've mentioned before.)

You need to Empty Trash with the card still mounted to free the space.

This is how OS X works. I don't know how what you did ever worked (without
emptying Trash). Otto

I recall --this goes back a couple of years-- that I then emptied my camera card merely by using Trash on my computer. I may be misremembering this, although I do not think so.

I now use Disk Utility for all camera-card erasures. Thanx for the explanation Otto.

Oneal

9c.

Re: camera-card file-retrieval app

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Thu Dec 8, 2011 3:41 pm (PST)



On 8 December 2011 22:02, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Does picture-file recovery also include Exif (and other) data Otto?
>
> I did download TestDisk, but have not used it yet. Oneal
>

EXIF data is embedded in the file itself, so if you recover the file you
recover the EXIF data.

Otto

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9d.

Re: camera-card file-retrieval app

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Thu Dec 8, 2011 3:47 pm (PST)



On 8 December 2011 22:10, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I recall --this goes back a couple of years-- that I then emptied my
> camera card merely by using Trash on my computer. I may be misremembering
> this, although I do not think so.
>
> I now use Disk Utility for all camera-card erasures. Thanx for the
> explanation Otto.
>

It's generally better to format or erase a card in the camera itself. Is
this just to free space taken by deleted files?

Otto

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10.

Apple Store - Grand Central To Open Tomorrow!

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Thu Dec 8, 2011 2:39 pm (PST)



<http://www.apple.com/retail/grandcentral/?sr=hotnews.rss>

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

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