Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Oneal Neumann, prePhD
- 1b.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Larson
- 1c.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Larson
- 1d.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Larson
- 1e.
- Re: Apple-font diacritics From: Larson
- 2a.
- Re: bedeviled by glitches From: Randy B. Singer
- 3a.
- Re: DiskWarrior any good ??? From: Harry Flaxman
- 3b.
- Re: DiskWarrior any good ??? From: Randy B. Singer
- 3c.
- Re: DiskWarrior any good ??? From: Harry Flaxman
- 3d.
- Re: DiskWarrior any good ??? From: Oneal Neumann, prePhD
- 4a.
- Re: caches From: Oneal Neumann, prePhD
- 5.
- iCloud address book: one "me card" per device From: James Robertson
- 6a.
- Start Up Item Question From: pat412255
- 6b.
- Re: Start Up Item Question From: Harry Flaxman
- 7a.
- Re: i pod touch, i tunes ques From: Barbara B
- 7b.
- Re: i pod touch, i tunes ques From: Harry Flaxman
- 8a.
- Clean Installing/Re installing Lion From: Tauqir R
- 8b.
- Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion From: Harry Flaxman
- 8c.
- Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion From: Tauqir Rana
- 8d.
- Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion From: Jim Saklad
- 8e.
- Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion From: Harry Flaxman
- 8f.
- Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion From: blumist2
- 9.1.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Arjun Singhal
- 10.1.
- Re: my granddaughter's email has been hacked - her reaction From: Josephine Bacon
- 11.
- Re: iCloud- how to use From: titnaw titnaw
Messages
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann, prePhD" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:52 pm (PST)
> On 2012 January 15 (at 08:44) Ian Gillis wrote:
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> No, I'm suggesting that your problem may be a global system problem;
> for any character to be displayed it has to be encoded and transmitted
> consistently and then used to display specific characters which have
> to exist in the font displayed by the receiving terminal.
> I know nothing about Hungarian fonts, but I can look them up and I
> find that they are handled correctly by ISO-8859-16, Windows-1250 and
> UTF-8. I see from your message that you are using UTF-8. So any
> inconsistency at the receiving end will be down to whether the font
> used at that terminal includes such characters as your long umlauts.
> I do know about French and the fact that if I send you the character œ
> (that's an o & e ligature) or a ÿ (that's a y plus an umlaut) or a €
> (Euro sign) that they probably won't appear correctly if there is any
> legacy software in the depths of Yahoo that doesn't cope with the more
> esoteric characters, even though we are both using UTF-8.
> One day we'll all sing the same tune... regards, Ian
>
Thanx for the explication, Ian.
Everything transmitted properly, so no probs with Yahoo.
I sent Otto Niklaus an email showing him how the Hungarian diacritics look with respect to various fonts. The reality is that not all fonts are designed to handle a variety of diacriticked letters. Some of the distortions were rather egregious.
So, whatever problems exist are on the sending end (mostly). I need to select fonts that work for me and those fonts are likely to be universal, which means no probs down the email line.
Thanx again. Oneal
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:44 am (PST)
On 13.01.2012, at 09:33, Oneal Neumann, nonPhD wrote:
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> I have a core group of fonts that I like to use, however just about all suck when it comes to Hungarian (…)
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> Most fonts can handle the standard diacriticked vowels: <ááá>, <ééé>, <ÃÃÃ>, <óóó>, <úúú>. Most can also handle short umlauts: <ööö>, <üüü>. My problem is with long umlauts: <Å'Å'Å'>, <űűű>
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> The problem that I have experienced is that most fonts become distorted when trying to effect the long umlauts (<Å'> and <ű>).
Hello Oneal,
Your description of your "font problem" is imprecise and rather vague so let's clear the basics first so we know exactly what we are talking about. -- To begin with, [A] writing the characters yourself and [B] *reading* on your computer characters that other people have created on other computers are two different things and should be dealt with separately.
If you are reading a Hungarian newspaper in Safari or in another browser and the characters are not correctly displayed it's usually enough for you to go to View > Text Encoding and change the encoding. You may have to try more than one option until you find the right one. Since most web pages use Windows standard you may see certain characters screwed up until you change the text encoding in your browser. The same thing applies to email.
Receiving posts from a *mailing list* is a special case. Sometimes the list software interferes and meddles with things. Sometimes it's the original sender who is the culprit, then â€" in most cases â€" they are US Americans who have never learned a foreign language and are too lazy or ignorant or both to change their default encoding in their browser to UNICODE! In your particular case I see that Yahoo and Gmail are involved.
If, on the other hand, you are writing the text yourself on your computer you shouldn't have any problems now in the year 2012 (it used to be quit different before OS X, then it was a real horror).
If you write frequently in Hungarian then activate and use the Hungarian keyboard layout whenever you write Hungarian, otherwise the US Extended keyboard layout will do. Using it you can easily create ´´with Shift+Alt+j and then type "o" or whatever character you need. It shouldn't make any difference which font (or type face) you choose. In case a certain exotic font does not have diacritics it will be automatically created by the system.
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I don't know if this is a typical US American here, but you can take a look at it and then judge for yourself :
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=pAMA9P- 4qCk
Anna
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:06 am (PST)
On 15.01.2012, at 00:48, Oneal Neumann, prePhD wrote:
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> Trebuchet MS has been the best thus far and it is the one font that I consistently use in my emails to Hungary.
You should be able to use ANY romanized font to generate long umlauts, i.e. as long as you are not using Chinese, Korean, Japanese or other Asian fonts :-)
Show Character Viewer > View > Roman > [click on Button 'By Category'] > Accented Latin
By the way, how do you write your emails? With what email client? Or do you use a browser and Gmail?
> I am not sure, however, that PCs can render the font as I use it, so ultimately I may be defeated in my quest for alphabet uniformity.
Usually a font X is replaced by font Y if X is not available. Thus an unusual PC font may be replaced by Helvetica or Times on a Mac, but all diacritical signs should be preserved as long as text encoding is Unicode!
Anna
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:36 am (PST)
On 15.01.2012, at 00:57, Oneal Neumann, prePhD wrote:
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> I believe that few fonts were designed to be able to handle all possible diacritics that exist.
The good news is that you are wrong here, to the best of my knowledge.
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> Probably most fonts cater only to the English alphabet, maybe with the addition of French and Spanish accents, but anything really esoteric –say Czech– is out of the question.
Not anymore, because it is the *system* that generates the glyphs or the diacritical signs. That's how I understand it. OS X laid the foundation in 2001 but it took several years for software developers to implement full Unicode support. MS Word did not have it until 2003 or even later, some software that is still being used by many Mac users has never taken this step. Among the better known are Eudora 6.2.4, Personal Organizer (the predecessor of SOHO Organizer), MacSOUP, Palm Desktop, Now-up-to-Date and Now Contact.
Czech is not considered "esoteric" anymore, at least not here by us in Europe. If it still were, I would immediately sell my Mac and buy me a PC with Windows.
Anna
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Re: Apple-font diacritics
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:34 am (PST)
OK Oneal, let's get down to brass tacks.
On 16.01.2012, at 03:52, you quoted Ian Gills and it’s interesting to notice that two of the signs that Ian Gills uses in his text get lost in your quotation. Let’s try to find out why this happened by you.
I will now quote the text passage by Ian Gillis:
"I do know about French and the fact that if I send you the character Å"
(that's an o & e ligature) or a ÿ (that's a y plus an umlaut) or a €
(Euro sign) that they probably won't appear correctly if there is any
legacy software in the depths of Yahoo that doesn't cope with the more
esoteric characters, even though we are both using UTF-8."
And now let’s take a look at how it was quoted by you:
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>> I do know about French and the fact that if I send you the character Ë›
>> (that's an o & e ligature) or a ÿ (that's a y plus an umlaut) or a •
>> (Euro sign) that they probably won't appear correctly if there is any
>> legacy software in the depths of Yahoo that doesn't cope with the more
>> esoteric characters, even though we are both using UTF-8.
>> One day we'll all sing the same tune... regards, Ian
>>
>
Now, assuming you see the text on your computer as I see it on my MacBook Pro with OS 10.6.8, the ligature "Å"" has been replaced by a hook and the Euro sign € has been replaced by a bullet (•)
What seems to have happened here is that you are using Western (Windows Latin 1) as text encoding. In Mail I went to Message > Text Encoding and changed the activated option from Automatic to Western (Windows Latin 1). You are NOT using the same encoding as Ian Gillis.
My question is now: WHY ARE YOU NOT USING Unicode?
Anna
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Re: bedeviled by glitches
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:03 pm (PST)
On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Oneal Neumann, prePhD wrote:
> On a recommend from Denver Dan, I did a clean install moving up to
> Leopard, which cleared up previous problems. What I don't
> understand is why one form of installation would create a result
> that is different from another form of installation.
The heart of the problem is that Apple eliminated the Archive and
Install option from the OS X installer.
That option used to uninstall all of the old version of OS X, put the
old version in its own folder, and then installed a clean version of
OS X.
OS X's installer now does what Apple calls a automated archive and
install. Supposedly the OS X installer now checks for incompatible
software, isolates it, deletes the old copy of OS X, and does a clean
install of OS X integrating the still compatible parts of your last
version of OS X.
Unfortunately, this works really poorly, and it really only amounts
to being a traditional upgrade, with much software that is
incompatible with Lion getting installed with Lion. The result is
often some nasty software incompatibilities that can be hard to track
down and fix.
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
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Re: DiskWarrior any good ???
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:10 pm (PST)
On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Barry Austern wrote:
> Did Lion change the way the files are laid out on the disk? In other
> words, if your machine can boot an earlier OS then a bootable Disk
> Warrior CD should work regardless of what OS your machine itself runs.
My machine came with 10.6.4 installers. I cannot boot a dvd lower than that. I've tried. A friend's DW would not boot, but another's would, created with 10.6.7 (I believe). I chose not to use DW at the time as I didn't trust the error indicators I was seeing. I had DW back during Tiger or even earlier, and it helped me once.
I don't believe I'd spend the $100 for it now.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: DiskWarrior any good ???
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:11 pm (PST)
On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Barry Austern wrote:
> Did Lion change the way the files are laid out on the disk? In other
> words, if your machine can boot an earlier OS then a bootable Disk
> Warrior CD should work regardless of what OS your machine itself runs.
I recall that, back in the days of Norton Utilities, that if you used
a version of NU that wasn't certified for the version of the Mac OS
you had, that NU could truly screw up your hard drive.
Now, I've never heard of Disk Warrior screwing up anybody's drive.
But just to be safe, before I used an older version of DW with a
version of the Mac OS that didn't exist when my copy of DW was
released, I'd ask Alsoft if the two were compatible:
http://www.alsoft.com/Support/ techsupportform. html
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
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Re: DiskWarrior any good ???
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:13 pm (PST)
On Jan 15, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Barry Austern wrote:
>
>> Did Lion change the way the files are laid out on the disk? In other
>> words, if your machine can boot an earlier OS then a bootable Disk
>> Warrior CD should work regardless of what OS your machine itself runs.
>
> I recall that, back in the days of Norton Utilities, that if you used
> a version of NU that wasn't certified for the version of the Mac OS
> you had, that NU could truly screw up your hard drive.
>
> Now, I've never heard of Disk Warrior screwing up anybody's drive.
> But just to be safe, before I used an older version of DW with a
> version of the Mac OS that didn't exist when my copy of DW was
> released, I'd ask Alsoft if the two were compatible:
> http://www.alsoft.com/Support/ techsupportform. html
One thing to note when booting DW: It does THRASH the optical drive's head around quite a bit. I have seen this on numerous machines. I'm assuming because they need to create a dvd that is both PPC and Intel 'bootable' capabilities.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: DiskWarrior any good ???
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann, prePhD" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:20 pm (PST)
> On 2012 January 15 (at 21:39) Barry Austern wrote:
>
>> At 9:21 PM -0500 1/15/12, Oneal Neumann, prePhD wrote:
>>
>> I think that, per Randy's earlier suggestion, I will hold off getting
>> DiskWarrior for Lion, especially because I don't possess a legit
>> copy and getting the latest version will cost a ceenote. It can wait.
>
> Did Lion change the way the files are laid out on the disk? In other
> words, if your machine can boot an earlier OS then a bootable Disk
> Warrior CD should work regardless of what OS your machine runs.
>
> Barry Austern
>
Lion is still future tense for me, Barry.
I plan to get it soon, so I can't answer.
Tomorrow I go back to normal.
Thanx. Oneal
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Re: caches
Posted by: "Oneal Neumann, prePhD" wardell.h.s@gmail.com newalander
Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:15 pm (PST)
> On 2012 January 14 , at 19:26, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
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> What are caches?
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >Cache
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> What to do about them?
> <http://www.macattorney.com/ts. >html#3
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> (Your Mail problems may have nothing to do with caches.)
Thanx Otto. I kind of thought so about caches and Mail. Oneal
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iCloud address book: one "me card" per device
Posted by: "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net jamesrob328i
Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:05 pm (PST)
Two Macs, an iPad, and an iPhone.
Once they're all on iCloud, I have 4 "home" cards or "me" cards (I assume one from each device. the Web interface for iCloud says they're all "read only", and I can't figure out a way to delete ANY of them. They each have slightly different spelling and capitalization for my name.
As a consequence of this, there are also 4 entries for my birthday on the iCloud "Birthdays" calendar, which of course get pushed to the "birthdays" calendar on each device.
Any way to merge these entries?
Thanks,
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Start Up Item Question
Posted by: "pat412255" pat412@mac.com pat412255
Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:10 pm (PST)
When I open & unlock the user group in System Preferences to add a couple of start up items & remove one already listed, the pane looks fine. I then click the lock & close the preference pane. All is well until I restart the MacBook Air. The recently added start up items disappear from the preference pane & the removed one reappears. Any suggestions for a fix?
Thanks,
Pat
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Re: Start Up Item Question
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:05 pm (PST)
On Jan 15, 2012, at 11:10 PM, pat412255 wrote:
> When I open & unlock the user group in System Preferences to add a couple of start up items & remove one already listed, the pane looks fine. I then click the lock & close the preference pane. All is well until I restart the MacBook Air. The recently added start up items disappear from the preference pane & the removed one reappears. Any suggestions for a fix?
> Thanks,
> Pat
I had this happen back when I used 10.6. I had a sporadic 'emptying' of my startup items, for no apparent reason. I never did figure it out. I did create a new user account for myself and move everything there, which stopped it temporarily.
You might try using the app 'Startupizer', available on the Mac app store. They have a lite version which is free. Pretty neat app that speeds up and simplifies startup items. I use it now and wouldn't be without it.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: i pod touch, i tunes ques
Posted by: "Barbara B" bpurdy13@gmail.com sakura1313ca
Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:12 pm (PST)
Thank you Harry.
Barbara from Montreal
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@com ...> wrote:
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> On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Barbara B wrote:
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> > Hello,
> > I just downloaded an album in my hubby's i tunes then connected his ipod touch to sync it, for some reason the last 3 songs were duplicated on the i pod touch but isn't on i tunes.
> >
> > Ques is how do I delete the duplicated songs from I pod, don't see anywhere where I can do this.
> > Went to apple support but couldn't find anything there.
> > Tried resyncying but that didn't work.
> >
> > Thinking I would delete it from I tunes all together then redownload it.
> > Just seems like a lot of trouble to go through though.
> > As usual all and any help is much appreciated.
>
> Pretty ease actually. All you have to do is plug the iPod into your computer and set it to 'manually manage music and videos'. Then, you can just highlight the entries in iTunes, on the iPod's view naturally, and delete them.
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> In doing this, all you have to do is drag and drop any item(s) you want on the iPod from this point on. Should you choose to go back to the automatic method, you simply uncheck the box to manually manage items.
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> Harry
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> Harry Flaxman
> harry.flaxman@...
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Re: i pod touch, i tunes ques
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:06 pm (PST)
On Jan 15, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Barbara B wrote:
> Thank you Harry.
> Barbara from Montreal
Now that I read it, it's not really clear, is it? If you have difficulty, please post back, or let me know and I can try to be a little more clear.
You're welcome!!
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Clean Installing/Re installing Lion
Posted by: "Tauqir R" ranatqr@yahoo.com ranatqr
Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:18 pm (PST)
Dear All,
Recently there is a discussion on the group concerning the advantages of clean install of OSX Lion. I have a MBP whose last erase and install was SL. I "upgraded" to Lion. Cant see any problem with my MBP functioning.
My only question out of curiosity is that how worth while would doing a clean erase and reinstall of lion be in a system which is not showing any apparent problem. I presume a vast majority of us are doing well with updated lion over SL and a very small minority is in a situation to do a clean erase and install.
T Rana MD
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Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:20 pm (PST)
On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Tauqir R wrote:
> Dear All,
> Recently there is a discussion on the group concerning the advantages of clean install of OSX Lion. I have a MBP whose last erase and install was SL. I "upgraded" to Lion. Cant see any problem with my MBP functioning.
> My only question out of curiosity is that how worth while would doing a clean erase and reinstall of lion be in a system which is not showing any apparent problem. I presume a vast majority of us are doing well with updated lion over SL and a very small minority is in a situation to do a clean erase and install.
In my opinion, I would not do the erase and install at this point. Why fix something that isn't broken?
Should you have any major issue in the future, then that would be the way to go, without migrating back from a backup.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion
Posted by: "Tauqir Rana" ranatqr@yahoo.com ranatqr
Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:24 pm (PST)
Thanks,
That is what I would have thought too. Why fix if it aint broken, good thoughts.
_____________________ _________ __
From: Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net >
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Clean Installing/Re installing Lion
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On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Tauqir R wrote:
> Dear All,
> Recently there is a discussion on the group concerning the advantages of clean install of OSX Lion. I have a MBP whose last erase and install was SL. I "upgraded" to Lion. Cant see any problem with my MBP functioning.
> My only question out of curiosity is that how worth while would doing a clean erase and reinstall of lion be in a system which is not showing any apparent problem. I presume a vast majority of us are doing well with updated lion over SL and a very small minority is in a situation to do a clean erase and install.
In my opinion, I would not do the erase and install at this point. Why fix something that isn't broken?
Should you have any major issue in the future, then that would be the way to go, without migrating back from a backup.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:40 pm (PST)
> Recently there is a discussion on the group concerning the advantages of clean install of OSX Lion. I have a MBP whose last erase and install was SL. I "upgraded" to Lion. Cant see any problem with my MBP functioning.
>
> My only question out of curiosity is that how worth while would doing a clean erase and reinstall of lion be in a system which is not showing any apparent problem. I presume a vast majority of us are doing well with updated lion over SL and a very small minority is in a situation to do a clean erase and install.
The first time I installed Lion, I overwrote the Snow Leopard installation with an "upgrade in place". Shortly thereafter, I started having serious problems (but I no longer remember exactly what). Since I performed that upgrade on a clone of my working drive, I completely wiped the drive (even unto re-partitioning it), and performed a clean install of Lion, then Migrated my User data. This worked fine, and has continued to.
I have seen many reports of people who have performed an "upgrade in place" and had NO problems. However, that is also the situation most likely to cause a problem. Mainly because every individual has done slightly different things with their pre-existing system. Perhaps for many years and generations of the OS.
Done right, "clean" always works.
If you have lots of time and a current clone backup, then sure, go ahead and try the upgrade in place.
Keep in mind:
1. AFTER downloading the Lion installer, and BEFORE running it, make a copy of it to a separate secure location.
2. Upon completing the Lion upgrade and re-booting, the first thing to do is open Disk Utility and run Repair Permissions.
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:06 pm (PST)
On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> The first time I installed Lion, I overwrote the Snow Leopard installation with an "upgrade in place". Shortly thereafter, I started having serious problems (but I no longer remember exactly what). Since I performed that upgrade on a clone of my working drive, I completely wiped the drive (even unto re-partitioning it), and performed a clean install of Lion, then Migrated my User data. This worked fine, and has continued to.
>
> I have seen many reports of people who have performed an "upgrade in place" and had NO problems. However, that is also the situation most likely to cause a problem. Mainly because every individual has done slightly different things with their pre-existing system. Perhaps for many years and generations of the OS.
>
> Done right, "clean" always works.
>
> If you have lots of time and a current clone backup, then sure, go ahead and try the upgrade in place.
>
> Keep in mind:
> 1. AFTER downloading the Lion installer, and BEFORE running it, make a copy of it to a separate secure location.
> 2. Upon completing the Lion upgrade and re-booting, the first thing to do is open Disk Utility and run Repair Permissions.
I do agree with your findings. My point was, if it's working OK now, go with it.
I, too, had a good 'upgrade in place' install which went sour after awhile. I wound up having to do an erase and install and hand install of all apps. It wound up being a blessing in disguise. I didn't do this, however, until I had serious problems.
Harry
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Clean Installing/Re installing Lion
Posted by: "blumist2" blumist2@yahoo.com blumist2
Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:40 am (PST)
--- On Mon, 1/16/12, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
> From: Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com>
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Clean Installing/Re installing Lion
> To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 12:40 AM
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> have a MBP whose last erase and install was SL. I
> "upgraded" to Lion. Cant see any problem with my
> MBP functioning.
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> > My only question out of curiosity is that how worth
> while would doing a clean erase and reinstall of lion be in
> a system which is not showing any apparent problem. I
> presume a vast majority of us are doing well with updated
> lion over SL and a very small minority is in a situation to
> do a clean erase and install.
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> The first time I installed Lion, I overwrote the Snow
> Leopard installation with an "upgrade in place".
> Shortly thereafter, I started having serious problems (but I
> no longer remember exactly what). Since I performed that
> upgrade on a clone of my working drive, I completely wiped
> the drive (even unto re-partitioning it), and performed a
> clean install of Lion, then Migrated my User data. This
> worked fine, and has continued to.
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> I have seen many reports of people who have performed an
> "upgrade in place" and had NO problems. However,
> that is also the situation most likely to cause a problem.
> Mainly because every individual has done slightly different
> things with their pre-existing system. Perhaps for many
> years and generations of the OS.
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> Done right, "clean" always works.
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> If you have lots of time and a current clone backup, then
> sure, go ahead and try the upgrade in place.
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> Keep in mind:
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> 1. AFTER downloading the Lion installer, and BEFORE running
> it, make a copy of it to a separate secure location.
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> 2. Upon completing the Lion upgrade and re-booting, the
> first thing to do is open Disk Utility and run Repair
> Permissions.
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> Jim Saklad
> mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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- 9.1.
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:14 pm (PST)
Randy, Harry and everyone else reading this...
Much appreciate for being so accommodating. Although, Brent does make it sound as though I am about to bite out.
For the part of knowing the file size that is downloading - I am unable to determine that since the download is happening in the background in the install screens of OS X Lion. Thus, I am not sure about the download size. I called the ISP, and they said about 6 Gigabytes has been transfered in all (and since they sometimes double up the transfer to also including packet receipt messages, I am assuming about 3 Gigabytes must have been transfered).
Unfortunately, when I left last night, the download was showing 44 hours remaining, but this morning, it says, the download has failed. There can be multiple reasons for this I believe, and I would probably like to blame a spike in the ISP bandwidth, but that means after two days of paying for the high bandwidth, I am back to square one.
To bring forward Brent's idea on what I am starting out, then blowtrumpet.com is not a social networking site. We are working on solutions that aim at making the internet more useful for generations to come. We work as media consultants, on the idea that the printing press revolutionized media allowing one-to-many communication with high latency, the telephone brought one-to-one real time communication and the gramaphone, tape recorders brought latency to voice, audio and later video. But the internet was the first medium that became a motive carriage for many-to-many communication, where the audience has become participative and collaborates to generate meaningful content. This group is just a small example of such collaboration.
I understand that Brent is more fortunate, not only in terms of money, but also opportunity to have used Apple computers since he was a child. Although, I used computers since an early age, they were hard to come by, and get support for. In earlier days, we would round up groups of friends in schools, neighborhoods etc. and troubleshoot our problems. Needless to mention, the strive continues even today, and I beg apologies again, if I have offended anyone in any manner. Most people have taken great pains in order to help sort out the problem. Among the last few posts, I have been told to take the laptop to a genius bar, but I am afraid, there are no "Apple Stores" in India, and the "Apple Authorised Service Centers" do not indulge in making copies of OS X Lion and passing them out. The only option they say they have available is that one should download it from the App Store. I'll add here, that most service centers do not have very high-bandwidth connections either, because bandwidth in India comes at a phenomenal cost, as compared to how people get it in the west. For home use, I pay in India Rs. 1700 (USD 35) and get 20 Gigabytes of "data transfer" per month at 1 mbps. For commercial usage, the price plans are about ten times as much. The highest speed available here through DSL connectivity is 16mbps and the cost factor scales upto Rs. 350,000 per month, if you want it for commercial use. Such speeds are available only in very specific areas of large metro cities of the country, and probably nothing out of the ordinary if you live in the United States. Add to it, the price of the dollar for us is much more, because we earn in Indian rupees, and you can get a bottle of coke out here for Rs. 10, which is about the fraction of what it costs in America. At that difference in purchasing power parity, the cost of our internet connections is much higher as compared to what people in the west pay for theirs.
If younger people are not welcome on the group, to share their grievances or check if solutions are possible, then I would recommend this group be marked "Oldies only" because this is not the first time that Brent has attacked me in person. I am sure there will soon be days when the fortunate ones would like to blame China for a lot of their economic hassles, but then I must say, it is us who went helter-skelter in search for cost advantages when traditionally the motive of trade was to exchange goods in abundance, not economic cost advantage.
I do not want to collect laurels and accolades and put them up for display. As a schoolboy, I was blessed to receive a national award in robotics and design, my programs were featured on television a few times - but those were days of VHS, not of youtube. I have spent the last ten years, developing solutions in different areas of engineering compliances, financial systems and consulting companies on executive pay. I know this is getting a little out of purview of the group, but there are people in the US who pay more for club memberships every year, than even fortunate people in other parts of the world earn in their entire lifetime. I often wondered that even after the companies published executive pay in so much detail, how could shareholders approve of such extravagant expenditure and not raise their voice in annual meetings. I guess, it was because of people who are greedy and fortunate and who believe that there should be no end to accumulation of wealth, and probably somewhere they believe technologically will be developed when they can take it all up with them when they eventually die.
That said, I am not a Microsoft fan. In fact quite the opposite. Although, in our office, we are still using a few microsoft computers, but I surely hope as business grows, we would be able to sideline them out, and move to Macs completely. Or better yet, maybe consider open source alternatives - because I firmly believe that the best knowledge comes free. We can ask to be paid for our labour, not intellect. Intellect is but a gift of God, and we must use it to serve others.
I don't have as much experience as many of you helpful people, I am sure. But I've seen scores of people use anti-ageing complexes, but never seen anyone get younger. I don't think it's worth to hide away from the fact that youth are owners of tomorrow, and we better get our act together now.
Regards,
Arjun
On 16-Jan-2012, at 1:41 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:
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> On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
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> > If you use the directions I sent, in Terminal, you can extract the file from that recovery partition. Pretty easy task to accomplish.
> >
> > Once doing so, create a bootable device using the utility I posted the link for previously.
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> OFF-LIST
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> Harry,
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> Please keep this off-list.
>
> Arjun is just a troll and a whiner. No matter what you or anyone tells him, you are wrong and he is right. I pretty much just gave up on him. He has accused me os racism and personal attacks on him. I'm just waiting for Randy to go off on him.
>
> He is the source of much of his own issues. A little forethought would keep him from having these problems. He is younger than most of the regulars here, by 20 or more years, and he still thinks Windows when working on a Mac. He has started a social networking site and thinks that makes him the only one whose opinion or thinking is correct.
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> If I were king of the world for a day, I would take away his Macs and iPhone and give him Windows boxes and an Android phone, let him customize them to his hearts content, and watch him howl.
>
> I'm not a Terminal user, but a quick read though that web page confused the hell out of me. I'm sure if I had to I could do it, but I would have to ask a few questions to do it. And it would still confuse me.
>
> Brent
>
>
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- 10.1.
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Re: my granddaughter's email has been hacked - her reaction
Posted by: "Josephine Bacon" bacon@langservice.com baconandeggs_2001
Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:07 am (PST)
Dear All,
My granddaughter did little or nothing about it until urged by her
mother. Her sister, on the other hand, who is much more practical,
rushed upstairs to the computer and changed her password immediately!
Josephine Bacon
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Re: iCloud- how to use
Posted by: "titnaw titnaw" titnaw@gmail.com titnaw
Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:19 am (PST)
Is there any instructional sites for the iCloud. I would like to know how
to use this.
Thanks
Titnaw
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