12/09/2011

[macsupport] Digest Number 8609

Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)

1a.
Re: Backups, drive docks, and bare drives From: Michael P. Stupinski
1b.
Re: Backups, drive docks, and bare drives From: Tod Hopkins
1c.
Re: Backups, drive docks, and bare drives From: Denver dan
2a.
Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models From: Tod Hopkins
3a.
How much space to allocate for Fusion and Win7? From: harpangel36
3b.
Re: How much space to allocate for Fusion and Win7? From: Harry Flaxman
3c.
Re: How much space to allocate for Fusion and Win7? From: harpangel36
3d.
Re: How much space to allocate for Fusion and Win7? From: Harry Flaxman
4.
stop personal email From: renee
5a.
Grand Central Terminal Apple Store Opens From: Denver Dan
5b.
Re: Grand Central Terminal Apple Store Opens From: vixpix
5c.
Re: Grand Central Terminal Apple Store Opens From: Michael P. Stupinski
6a.
Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort From: Bill Morton
6b.
Re: Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort From: Harry Flaxman
6c.
Re: Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort From: Jim Saklad
6d.
Mac Mini loaded with Windows and a ton of Trojans From: Ardell Faul
6e.
Re: Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort From: Denver Dan
6f.
Re: Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort From: James Robertson
7.
Grand Central Apple Store officially open for business, celebrities, From: Bill Boulware
8a.
Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ??? From: Oneal Neumann
9a.
Re: camera-card file-retrieval app From: Oneal Neumann
9b.
Re: camera-card file-retrieval app From: Oneal Neumann
9c.
Re: camera-card file-retrieval app From: Dane Robison
9d.
Re: camera-card file-retrieval app From: Dane Robison
10.
German Court Rules Against Apple From: Harry Flaxman

Messages

1a.

Re: Backups, drive docks, and bare drives

Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net   mstupinski

Fri Dec 9, 2011 6:41 am (PST)



On a recommendation found online, probably here on this list, I
purchased the box of plastic containers shown in the link below, and
find they work very well. Bare drives fit in the individual
containers as if they were designed specifically for the job, and the
case is a great place to store them. The box is almost transparent,
and labels on the individual containers can be easily seen.

http://www.containerstore.com/shop?productId=10020697&N=&Ntt=photograph+boxes#

..........Mike

On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Charles Lenington wrote:

> On 12/4/11 3:12 PM, Andrew Buc wrote:
>> This is a follow-up to my November 22 post about ordering an external
>> drive from Other World Computing and finding that it was built around
>> a Toshiba drive rather than the expected Hitachi.
>>
>> I also spoke to my local Mac tech (who upgraded the internal HD in my
>> Mac a couple of years ago), and he said he keeps bare drives around
>> (for whatever purpose) and mounts one in a drive dock as needed. This
>> has the obvious advantage that I could buy the brand of drive I
>> wanted and not have to hassle with mounting it in an enclosure, or
>> paying him to do it. I'd had this image of unmounted hard drives as
>> rather fragile, so I asked him how I should protect the bare drive on
>> the way from home to the safe deposit box (and vice versa), and he
>> suggested a ziploc bag.
>
> Find a metal or heavy plastic case or brief case and cut foam to fit
> case and hard drive/s. Make sure the latches are tight/working.
>
>
> So maybe bare drives aren't so delicate after
>> all? I can imagine wanting an external drive in an enclosure if I had
>> a large amount of data (say, photos) that I wanted to move off the HD
>> but still access often, but that isn't my situation.
>>
>> The tech also said that given the longevity of drives these days, he
>> figures on replacing any given drive pre-emptively every 3 years. I
>> can see that for my internal drive, which runs 24/7/365, but what
>> about a backup that that sees maybe 90 minutes of use a week?
>
> Well you could move the back ups to production drives and put new
> drives
> in use as backups.
>
> If you have 3 production macs and you are using a 3 year drive
> replacement cycle you could do one machine a year spreading out costs.
>

1b.

Re: Backups, drive docks, and bare drives

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Fri Dec 9, 2011 6:51 am (PST)



Nice solution. If you want something more robust, Weibetech sells high quality shelf cases for bare drives.

tod

On Dec 9, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Michael P. Stupinski wrote:

> On a recommendation found online, probably here on this list, I
> purchased the box of plastic containers shown in the link below, and
> find they work very well. Bare drives fit in the individual
> containers as if they were designed specifically for the job, and the
> case is a great place to store them. The box is almost transparent,
> and labels on the individual containers can be easily seen.
>
> http://www.containerstore.com/shop?productId=10020697&N=&Ntt=photograph+boxes#
>
> ..........Mike
>
> On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Charles Lenington wrote:
>
> > On 12/4/11 3:12 PM, Andrew Buc wrote:
> >> This is a follow-up to my November 22 post about ordering an external
> >> drive from Other World Computing and finding that it was built around
> >> a Toshiba drive rather than the expected Hitachi.
> >>
> >> I also spoke to my local Mac tech (who upgraded the internal HD in my
> >> Mac a couple of years ago), and he said he keeps bare drives around
> >> (for whatever purpose) and mounts one in a drive dock as needed. This
> >> has the obvious advantage that I could buy the brand of drive I
> >> wanted and not have to hassle with mounting it in an enclosure, or
> >> paying him to do it. I'd had this image of unmounted hard drives as
> >> rather fragile, so I asked him how I should protect the bare drive on
> >> the way from home to the safe deposit box (and vice versa), and he
> >> suggested a ziploc bag.
> >
> > Find a metal or heavy plastic case or brief case and cut foam to fit
> > case and hard drive/s. Make sure the latches are tight/working.
> >
> >
> > So maybe bare drives aren't so delicate after
> >> all? I can imagine wanting an external drive in an enclosure if I had
> >> a large amount of data (say, photos) that I wanted to move off the HD
> >> but still access often, but that isn't my situation.
> >>
> >> The tech also said that given the longevity of drives these days, he
> >> figures on replacing any given drive pre-emptively every 3 years. I
> >> can see that for my internal drive, which runs 24/7/365, but what
> >> about a backup that that sees maybe 90 minutes of use a week?
> >
> > Well you could move the back ups to production drives and put new
> > drives
> > in use as backups.
> >
> > If you have 3 production macs and you are using a 3 year drive
> > replacement cycle you could do one machine a year spreading out costs.
> >
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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1c.

Re: Backups, drive docks, and bare drives

Posted by: "Denver dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Fri Dec 9, 2011 11:40 am (PST)



These are the plastic photo boxes that I suggested and that I use for bare drives. Made by Iris.

!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
iFrom Denver Dan's iPhone

— my magical animal is a butterfly

On Dec 9, 2011, at 9:41 AM, "Michael P. Stupinski" <mpstupinski@snet.net> wrote:

> On a recommendation found online, probably here on this list, I
> purchased the box of plastic containers shown in the link below, and
> find they work very well. Bare drives fit in the individual
> containers as if they were designed specifically for the job, and the
> case is a great place to store them. The box is almost transparent,
> and labels on the individual containers can be easily seen.
>
> http://www.containerstore.com/shop?productId=10020697&N=&Ntt=photograph+boxes#
>
> ..........Mike
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Charles Lenington wrote:
>
>> On 12/4/11 3:12 PM, Andrew Buc wrote:
>>> This is a follow-up to my November 22 post about ordering an external
>>> drive from Other World Computing and finding that it was built around
>>> a Toshiba drive rather than the expected Hitachi.
>>>
>>> I also spoke to my local Mac tech (who upgraded the internal HD in my
>>> Mac a couple of years ago), and he said he keeps bare drives around
>>> (for whatever purpose) and mounts one in a drive dock as needed. This
>>> has the obvious advantage that I could buy the brand of drive I
>>> wanted and not have to hassle with mounting it in an enclosure, or
>>> paying him to do it. I'd had this image of unmounted hard drives as
>>> rather fragile, so I asked him how I should protect the bare drive on
>>> the way from home to the safe deposit box (and vice versa), and he
>>> suggested a ziploc bag.
>>
>> Find a metal or heavy plastic case or brief case and cut foam to fit
>> case and hard drive/s. Make sure the latches are tight/working.
>>
>>
>> So maybe bare drives aren't so delicate after
>>> all? I can imagine wanting an external drive in an enclosure if I had
>>> a large amount of data (say, photos) that I wanted to move off the HD
>>> but still access often, but that isn't my situation.
>>>
>>> The tech also said that given the longevity of drives these days, he
>>> figures on replacing any given drive pre-emptively every 3 years. I
>>> can see that for my internal drive, which runs 24/7/365, but what
>>> about a backup that that sees maybe 90 minutes of use a week?
>>
>> Well you could move the back ups to production drives and put new
>> drives
>> in use as backups.
>>
>> If you have 3 production macs and you are using a 3 year drive
>> replacement cycle you could do one machine a year spreading out costs.
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

2a.

Re: Avoiding "Dog" Mac Models

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Fri Dec 9, 2011 6:50 am (PST)



Generally you want to avoid "first in breed" in any tech product. And often the end of the line has lost it's edge in the market (less bang for the buck). Those are, however, very general rules. In Macs, I tend to look hard at the feature details with consideration to what I actually want or need. Often overlooked are issues like how many slots of what kind, especially the graphics slot, max memory, how many drive bays, external connections, keyboard quality, installed OS, compatibility with newer standards (sata vs. ide, DVI vs. VGA), and, of course, the aesthetics of the particular design.

Cheers,
tod

On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:04 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:

> So, looks like you found the first two Intel Mac processors to be slower that the ones that followed. The first of any new model tends to to be improved upon in the next few revisions, computers, video recorders, cars, what not.
>
> The video card is another issue.
>
> On Dec 8, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Eric wrote:
>
> > Now we're getting somewhere. Coming up w/the keywords for searches like this is hard sometimes..."worst" was a helpful adjective to add to the mix.
> > So far I'm not seeing much in the way of widely agreed upon "dog" models.
> >
> > What I have found are these poor performers:
> > Core Duo Mac mini February 2006
> > Core Solo Mac mini February 2006
> >
> > Models using the 8600GT video card
> > Although I haven't found any other evidence other than a Macrumors forum where the 8600GT was mentioned by several as a "fiasco", seeing 4 or 5 posts on one subject made me take note.
> > http://tinyurl.com/82xfjme
> >
> > I didn't mention it, but a mini is also a possibility instead of a Mac Pro. It will all come down to $$ unfortunately.
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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3a.

How much space to allocate for Fusion and Win7?

Posted by: "harpangel36" harpangel36@yahoo.com   harpangel36

Fri Dec 9, 2011 7:32 am (PST)



I am setting up my new MBP and have to install windows 7 and Fusion. (I only have one program that needs windows). On my old MBP I allocated 40GB to the windows side and I believe it was too much. How can I figure how much I need to allocate on my new one? I really wish I didn't have to do it at all,(Like to keep my new Mac clean) but don't see the software changing over anytime soon.:(

Thanks, Roxanne

3b.

Re: How much space to allocate for Fusion and Win7?

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 9, 2011 8:07 am (PST)



On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:32 AM, harpangel36 wrote:
> I am setting up my new MBP and have to install windows 7 and Fusion. (I only have one program that needs windows). On my old MBP I allocated 40GB to the windows side and I believe it was too much. How can I figure how much I need to allocate on my new one? I really wish I didn't have to do it at all,(Like to keep my new Mac clean) but don't see the software changing over anytime soon.:(

Fusion will dynamically increase disk size as you go, up to your specified limit. Should you need to expand past that, Fusion has a feature to increase disk size. If you allocate, say, 20gb, Fusion will initially make the virtual disk smaller than that, but large enough to accommodate the OS.

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

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3c.

Re: How much space to allocate for Fusion and Win7?

Posted by: "harpangel36" harpangel36@yahoo.com   harpangel36

Fri Dec 9, 2011 8:55 am (PST)



So I should figure out how much space is used my Windows 7 Home Premium and how much by my program and allocate that? I just don't want to over allocate like I did on the last MBP. Wasted storage space:)

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@...> wrote:
>
> On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:32 AM, harpangel36 wrote:
> > I am setting up my new MBP and have to install windows 7 and Fusion. (I only have one program that needs windows). On my old MBP I allocated 40GB to the windows side and I believe it was too much. How can I figure how much I need to allocate on my new one? I really wish I didn't have to do it at all,(Like to keep my new Mac clean) but don't see the software changing over anytime soon.:(
>
>
> Fusion will dynamically increase disk size as you go, up to your specified limit. Should you need to expand past that, Fusion has a feature to increase disk size. If you allocate, say, 20gb, Fusion will initially make the virtual disk smaller than that, but large enough to accommodate the OS.
>
> Harry
>
>
> Harry Flaxman
> harry.flaxman@...
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

3d.

Re: How much space to allocate for Fusion and Win7?

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 9, 2011 9:15 am (PST)



On Dec 9, 2011, at 11:55 AM, harpangel36 wrote:
> So I should figure out how much space is used my Windows 7 Home Premium and how much by my program and allocate that? I just don't want to over allocate like I did on the last MBP. Wasted storage space:)

I haven't tried to decrease a virtual drive in Fusion yet. Don' t know if it's possible. I would at least allocate enough for the OS and the app you're going to use.

You can always increase though.

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

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4.

stop personal email

Posted by: "renee" rethom2000@yahoo.com   rethom2000

Fri Dec 9, 2011 8:13 am (PST)



Hi I tried many times to change from receiving personal emails to web emails without success .
any reasons for that should I unsubscribe?
thanks
Renée

5a.

Grand Central Terminal Apple Store Opens

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Fri Dec 9, 2011 8:29 am (PST)



Howdy.

This is probably somewhat off topic but still connected to the
importance of an Apple retail store at Grand Central Terminal.

A link to article on Grand Central Terminal Apple Store which opens
today and some of my own info on why a store at Grand Central Terminal
is an interesting place for a large computer retail store.

<http://www.macrumors.com/>

There is a lot of symbology, history, books, movies, songs, and even
emotion connected with both of the main rail passenger terminals in New
York City's main borough of Manhattan. Both terminals today are Amtrak
Stations. Pennsylvania Station is the busiest in North America.

If you took a train from NY to Chicago, Seattle, Denver, San Francisco,
Los Angeles, St Louis, Toronto, Montreal, it might have been the New
York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited" which has been seen in
numerous movies, posters, histories, books.

If you took a train from NY to Trenton, Philadelphia, Wilmington,
Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Richmond, Atlanta, Florida, Nashville,
Jackson, Memphis, New Orleans, it was via the Pennsy RR and Penn
Station.

Some info on the symbol of a store at Grand Central.

New York City has two underground passenger rail stations on the island
of Manhattan: Grand Central and Pennsylvania Station. Both connect to
the NYC subway system.

Grand Central Terminal was originally built by the New York Central
RailRoad (NYCRR) for its passenger trains running north and west of
NYC. Grand Central sees about 150,000 rail passengers a day and
connects to the NYC subway system and via pedestrian tunnel to the
large subway station under Times Square.

Pennsylvania Station (aka Penn Station) was built originally by the
Pennsylvania Railroad for trains running South of NYC. Penn Station
sees about 300,000 passengers a day. It is beneath Madison Square
Garden, the sports venue.

The principal owner of the NYCRR was the Vanderbilt family.

In the main lobby of Grand Central Terminal is a large clock. This
clock has been seen in countless movies set in New York City and the
phrase, "Let's meet under the clock," came to mean to meet in the lobby
of Grand Central Terminal. There is also a famous clock in the main
lobby of the Waldorf Astoria Hotel and for the folks with money and
position in society the phrase, "Let's meet under the clock," often met
the large lobby clock at the Waldorf. Both clocks are still there.

Pennsylvania Station is also across 7th Avenue from a famous hotel
today named the Hotel Pennsylvania. It used to be a "Stadtler" hotel
and the term Stadtler was often used to indicate a hotel with an early
elevator.

Hotel Pennsylvania has a famous, famous telephone number. It's still
known today as:

"Pennsylvania 6-5000"

PE 6-5000 is the oldest continuing phone number in use in NYC. The
Hotel Stadtler, being across 7th Avenue from Pennsylvania Station saw a
lot of professional musicians stay there since they didn't have to lug
their heavy musical instruments very far to find a room. The "P and E"
stood for the rotary dial numbers two and five.

In 1940 The Glenn Miller Orchestra recorded a new song based on the
hotel's phone number and it became a major hit and has been recorded by
many other groups and used in movies.

YouTube video of Glenn Miller Orchestra playing Pennsylvania 6-5000.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXGQNm4EKoc>

For more info on the song see:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEnnsylvania_6-5000>

Denver Dan

5b.

Re: Grand Central Terminal Apple Store Opens

Posted by: "vixpix" vixpix@frontiernet.net   nyskater

Fri Dec 9, 2011 9:47 am (PST)



Wow, that was great information!

Vickie

Sent from a spoiled little iPad

On Dec 9, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net> wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> This is probably somewhat off topic but still connected to the
> importance of an Apple retail store at Grand Central Terminal.
>
> A link to article on Grand Central Terminal Apple Store which opens
> today and some of my own info on why a store at Grand Central Terminal
> is an interesting place for a large computer retail store.
>
> <http://www.macrumors.com/>
>
> There is a lot of symbology, history, books, movies, songs, and even
> emotion connected with both of the main rail passenger terminals in New
> York City's main borough of Manhattan. Both terminals today are Amtrak
> Stations. Pennsylvania Station is the busiest in North America.
>
> If you took a train from NY to Chicago, Seattle, Denver, San Francisco,
> Los Angeles, St Louis, Toronto, Montreal, it might have been the New
> York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited" which has been seen in
> numerous movies, posters, histories, books.
>
> If you took a train from NY to Trenton, Philadelphia, Wilmington,
> Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Richmond, Atlanta, Florida, Nashville,
> Jackson, Memphis, New Orleans, it was via the Pennsy RR and Penn
> Station.
>
> Some info on the symbol of a store at Grand Central.
>
> New York City has two underground passenger rail stations on the island
> of Manhattan: Grand Central and Pennsylvania Station. Both connect to
> the NYC subway system.
>
> Grand Central Terminal was originally built by the New York Central
> RailRoad (NYCRR) for its passenger trains running north and west of
> NYC. Grand Central sees about 150,000 rail passengers a day and
> connects to the NYC subway system and via pedestrian tunnel to the
> large subway station under Times Square.
>
> Pennsylvania Station (aka Penn Station) was built originally by the
> Pennsylvania Railroad for trains running South of NYC. Penn Station
> sees about 300,000 passengers a day. It is beneath Madison Square
> Garden, the sports venue.
>
> The principal owner of the NYCRR was the Vanderbilt family.
>
> In the main lobby of Grand Central Terminal is a large clock. This
> clock has been seen in countless movies set in New York City and the
> phrase, "Let's meet under the clock," came to mean to meet in the lobby
> of Grand Central Terminal. There is also a famous clock in the main
> lobby of the Waldorf Astoria Hotel and for the folks with money and
> position in society the phrase, "Let's meet under the clock," often met
> the large lobby clock at the Waldorf. Both clocks are still there.
>
> Pennsylvania Station is also across 7th Avenue from a famous hotel
> today named the Hotel Pennsylvania. It used to be a "Stadtler" hotel
> and the term Stadtler was often used to indicate a hotel with an early
> elevator.
>
> Hotel Pennsylvania has a famous, famous telephone number. It's still
> known today as:
>
> "Pennsylvania 6-5000"
>
> PE 6-5000 is the oldest continuing phone number in use in NYC. The
> Hotel Stadtler, being across 7th Avenue from Pennsylvania Station saw a
> lot of professional musicians stay there since they didn't have to lug
> their heavy musical instruments very far to find a room. The "P and E"
> stood for the rotary dial numbers two and five.
>
> In 1940 The Glenn Miller Orchestra recorded a new song based on the
> hotel's phone number and it became a major hit and has been recorded by
> many other groups and used in movies.
>
> YouTube video of Glenn Miller Orchestra playing Pennsylvania 6-5000.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXGQNm4EKoc>
>
> For more info on the song see:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEnnsylvania_6-5000>
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

5c.

Re: Grand Central Terminal Apple Store Opens

Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net   mstupinski

Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:03 am (PST)



For those interested in the history of such famous structures, I
recommend the book 'Conquering Gotham,' by Jill Jonnes. It's a good
read and covers the story of Penn Station itself as well as the
tunnels that lead to it.

...........Mike

On Dec 9, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Denver Dan wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> This is probably somewhat off topic but still connected to the
> importance of an Apple retail store at Grand Central Terminal.
>
> A link to article on Grand Central Terminal Apple Store which opens
> today and some of my own info on why a store at Grand Central Terminal
> is an interesting place for a large computer retail store.
>
> <http://www.macrumors.com/>
>
> There is a lot of symbology, history, books, movies, songs, and even
> emotion connected with both of the main rail passenger terminals in
> New
> York City's main borough of Manhattan. Both terminals today are Amtrak
> Stations. Pennsylvania Station is the busiest in North America.
>
> If you took a train from NY to Chicago, Seattle, Denver, San
> Francisco,
> Los Angeles, St Louis, Toronto, Montreal, it might have been the New
> York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited" which has been seen in
> numerous movies, posters, histories, books.
>
> If you took a train from NY to Trenton, Philadelphia, Wilmington,
> Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Richmond, Atlanta, Florida, Nashville,
> Jackson, Memphis, New Orleans, it was via the Pennsy RR and Penn
> Station.
>
> Some info on the symbol of a store at Grand Central.
>
> New York City has two underground passenger rail stations on the
> island
> of Manhattan: Grand Central and Pennsylvania Station. Both connect
> to
> the NYC subway system.
>
> Grand Central Terminal was originally built by the New York Central
> RailRoad (NYCRR) for its passenger trains running north and west of
> NYC. Grand Central sees about 150,000 rail passengers a day and
> connects to the NYC subway system and via pedestrian tunnel to the
> large subway station under Times Square.
>
> Pennsylvania Station (aka Penn Station) was built originally by the
> Pennsylvania Railroad for trains running South of NYC. Penn Station
> sees about 300,000 passengers a day. It is beneath Madison Square
> Garden, the sports venue.
>
> The principal owner of the NYCRR was the Vanderbilt family.
>
> In the main lobby of Grand Central Terminal is a large clock. This
> clock has been seen in countless movies set in New York City and the
> phrase, "Let's meet under the clock," came to mean to meet in the
> lobby
> of Grand Central Terminal. There is also a famous clock in the main
> lobby of the Waldorf Astoria Hotel and for the folks with money and
> position in society the phrase, "Let's meet under the clock," often
> met
> the large lobby clock at the Waldorf. Both clocks are still there.
>
> Pennsylvania Station is also across 7th Avenue from a famous hotel
> today named the Hotel Pennsylvania. It used to be a "Stadtler" hotel
> and the term Stadtler was often used to indicate a hotel with an early
> elevator.
>
> Hotel Pennsylvania has a famous, famous telephone number. It's still
> known today as:
>
> "Pennsylvania 6-5000"
>
> PE 6-5000 is the oldest continuing phone number in use in NYC. The
> Hotel Stadtler, being across 7th Avenue from Pennsylvania Station
> saw a
> lot of professional musicians stay there since they didn't have to lug
> their heavy musical instruments very far to find a room. The "P and
> E"
> stood for the rotary dial numbers two and five.
>
> In 1940 The Glenn Miller Orchestra recorded a new song based on the
> hotel's phone number and it became a major hit and has been recorded
> by
> many other groups and used in movies.
>
> YouTube video of Glenn Miller Orchestra playing Pennsylvania 6-5000.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXGQNm4EKoc>
>
> For more info on the song see:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEnnsylvania_6-5000>
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

6a.

Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort

Posted by: "Bill Morton" billmorton999@gmail.com   redpup99

Fri Dec 9, 2011 9:29 am (PST)



I have a new MacBookPro which has a Thunderbolt port rather
than a MiniDisplay Port. Does anyone make a converter or
conversion cable that I can plug into the Thunderbolt port
and will convert it to MiniDisplay Port?

Thanks in advance!

Bill

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6b.

Re: Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 9, 2011 9:30 am (PST)



On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Bill Morton wrote:
> have a new MacBookPro which has a Thunderbolt port rather
> than a MiniDisplay Port. Does anyone make a converter or
> conversion cable that I can plug into the Thunderbolt port
> and will convert it to MiniDisplay Port?

AFAIK, they're backward compatible. No adapter necessary according to Apple.

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

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6c.

Re: Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Fri Dec 9, 2011 9:55 am (PST)



>> have a new MacBookPro which has a Thunderbolt port rather than a MiniDisplay Port. Does anyone make a converter or conversion cable that I can plug into the Thunderbolt port and will convert it to MiniDisplay Port?
>
> AFAIK, they're backward compatible. No adapter necessary according to Apple.

<http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/>

> High performance on display.
>
> Thunderbolt I/O technology provides native support for the Apple Thunderbolt Display and Mini DisplayPort displays.
>
> It also supports DisplayPort, DVI, HDMI, and VGA displays through the use of existing adapters. So you can connect your Apple LED Cinema Display or other display, along with multiple high-speed devices, all from a single port.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

6d.

Mac Mini loaded with Windows and a ton of Trojans

Posted by: "Ardell Faul" ardell@icehouse.net   computer_monitor_service_company

Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:13 am (PST)



I got a Mac Mini A1176 in for repair yesterday. The owner said she was
getting error messages about low memory or something. Of course, I
suspected either a hard drive failure was eminent or maybe a bad stick
of RAM.

But nooo--the unit had Windows XP installed in it and was infected worse
than 99% of the PCs I see come my way. The owner had the mistaken
belief that just because the hardware said Mac the unit was immune to
viruses. I had to inform her that if you have Windows installed in your
Mac, you now have nothing more than a vulnerable PC! LOL

Ardell Faul
Computer Monitor Service Inc.
Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
10816 E. Mission Ave.,
Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
ardell@icehouse.net
509-891-5188

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6e.

Re: Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:53 am (PST)



Howdy.

I'm still learning about Thunderbolt so I appreciate to opportunity to
discover more about it via your question.

Read here:

- - - - -

Displays: Mini DisplayPort display must be last in a Thunderbolt chain

• Last Modified: October 07, 2011
• Article: HT4744

Summary
Place any Mini DisplayPort displays—such as an Apple LED Cinema Display
—at the end of a chain of connected Thunderbolt devices.

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4744>

- - - - -

Apple Thunderbolt Display (27-inch): Connection options for Thunderbolt
Macs

• Last Modified: September 29, 2011
• Article: HT4885

Summary
Learn about the connection options for your Apple Thunderbolt Display
(27-inch).

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4885>

- - - - -

Macs that can be used with the Thunderbolt Display

• Last Modified: October 25, 2011
• Article: HT4941

Summary
Find out which Mac computers you can use with your Apple Thunderbolt
Display (27-inch).
Products Affected: Apple Thunderbolt Display (27-inch)

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4941>

- - - - -

Denver Dan




On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:29:15 -0800, Bill Morton wrote:
> I have a new MacBookPro which has a Thunderbolt port rather
> than a MiniDisplay Port. Does anyone make a converter or
> conversion cable that I can plug into the Thunderbolt port
> and will convert it to MiniDisplay Port?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Bill
>
6f.

Re: Converter from Thunderbolt to MiniDisplayPort

Posted by: "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net   jamesrob328i

Fri Dec 9, 2011 12:41 pm (PST)




On Dec 9, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Harry Flaxman wrote:

> AFAIK, they're backward compatible. No adapter necessary according to Apple.

There is one SUBTRACTION from the "feature set" of minidisplayport in MacBook Pros to the Thunderbolt port in the newest MacBook Pros. The integrated graphics processor isn't supported for output to the display. So, if you have your MacBook Pro set to "integrated" graphics and plug it into an Apple LED monitor, you'll get a black screen! I learned this from first hand experience and then asking Cody Krieger, author of gfxCardStatus, if he knew why I wasn't seeing anything on my LED Cinema display.

--
Jim Robertson

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7.

Grand Central Apple Store officially open for business, celebrities,

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:14 am (PST)



http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/9To5Mac-MacAllDay/~3/CH8JoYbU6Js/

Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Grand Central Apple
Store officially open for business, celebrities, [video] via 9to5Mac by
Jordan Kahn on 12/9/11

We've had a ton of coverage on what has become today Apple's new
flagship retail outlet. At 10am this morning, the 23,000 square foot
Grand Central Terminal store finally opened doors for business and big
crowds filled the concourse of the Terminal ahead of grand opening.
Apple is handing out 4,000 black T-shirts with "Apple Store, Grand
Central" graphic resembling a train arrival board, similar to that used
as a blockade prior to the opening.

Our Seth Weintraub went to film the store and you can see him in the
clip above getting out of the VIP elevator at the top, wearing a press
pass (more clips after the break). Also, make sure to check out the
below gallery, providing a glimpse of just how massive and breathtaking
this new store is. Mind you, just the perfect scene for one of
Samsung's adverts bashing line waiters.
Click to view slideshow.
See the first image in the slideshow? Yeah, that's actor Michael J.
Fox. Cool or what? We also have a Whoopi Goldberg showing and another
featuring Gary Allen (a guy with the beard) who runs ifoapplestore.com,
a site dedicated to Apple's retail strides. As you recall, a couples
days ago 9to5Mac got some shots from inside the store and Apple
confirmed the store would indeed be open from 7am to 9pm Monday to
Friday, 10am to 7pm Saturdays, and 11am to 6pm on Sundays. The store
has 315 employees, two genius bars, the new 15-minute Express Workshop
and also offers Personal Pickup, among other features.





Reports surfaced earlier this month that a possible state investigation
would look into the lease agreement between Apple and the Metro
Transportation Authority. The MTA quickly responded with all of the
intricacies of the agreement, which they referred to as the "best
possible deal" and note quadruples their rent and greatly increases
foot traffic to other retailers.





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8a.

Re: keystroke snooping Dvorak ???

Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com   newalander

Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:37 am (PST)




On 2011 December 8 (at 18:51) Jim Saklad wrote:

>>> I rarely (... \--: ...) make spelling mistakes, as I am always

looking at the monitor. Of course, I always proof. (... [--: ...)

>> Emoticons don't seem to work well from a Dvorak keyboard.

> Actually, emoticons work the same on Dvorak keyboards.

Okay, then.
You appear to have some strange and unintelligible emoticons.

Per my artistic sensibility, Jim, I like to add 'extras' to my emoticons. Think of triple dots as spacers and parentheses as frames. There you have it: a picture.

I would still like my original post dealt with on some level.

Thanx. Oneal

On 2011 December 8 (at 13:00) Oneal Neumann wrote:

I may be one of the few on this list using the Dvorak keyboard, as opposed to the QWERTY. In concocting passwords I will often spell something out on the regular QWERTY keyboard and it will become transliterated by my Dvorak transliterator.

As an example, PASSWORD (regular) becomes LAOO,RPE (Dvorak).

Not that I am aware that it has ever happened to me, but does keystroke snooping pick up the end result (Dvorak) or the QWERTY keystrokes.

I suspect that the former (the Dvorak) gets recorded.

By the way, I am a selftaught touchtypist who can 'burst' to 40+ wpm. I learned to touchtype in my late 40s when I bought my first comp. As a result of being able to touchtype, I rarely (... \--: ...) make spelling mistakes, as I am always looking at the monitor. Of course, I always proof. (... [--: ...)

Dvorak was American whose name is pronounced differently than that of his Czech cousin, the famous composer. Do the wiki thing on the two Dvoraks.

Linguistically (but unmusically), Oneal

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9a.

Re: camera-card file-retrieval app

Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com   newalander

Fri Dec 9, 2011 11:42 am (PST)




On 2011 December 8 (at 19:23) Michael P. Stupinski wrote:

Oneal, the vast majority of advice I've seen on this subject points to
reformatting your card in your camera as the best way to erase it. Mike

On 2011 December 8 (at 18:46) Otto Nikolaus wrote:

It's generally better to format or erase a card in the camera itself. Is
this just to free space taken by deleted files? Otto

There is no need to reformat my Sony�s card, guys, the ability to erase is built-in. The reason that I use Disk Utility to erase my Sony is because I�m always importing, resizing and storing (in an alternate-to-iPhoto folder (in addition to iPhoto)) my pix,
so it�s just more convenient using DU for the process.

Thanx for the responses. Oneal

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9b.

Re: camera-card file-retrieval app

Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" wardell.h.s@gmail.com   newalander

Fri Dec 9, 2011 11:53 am (PST)




On 2011 December 8 (at 06:49) Otto Nikolaus wrote:

On 7 December 2011 (at 15:44) Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have never used Terminal to set up anything, so I am a bit leery
> of it Otto.

I can understand that, but this one is well written and it takes you
through the steps. I'll help if needed. BTW, it's actually TestDisk
that you download and install: this includes PhotoRec. Otto

Well, I did the download thing with respect to TestDisk. All I ended up with was a folder entitled *testdisk-6.13*. It contains 15 items, none which seems to take me any closer to retrieving my card�s deleted photos.

Can you give me some more help with this? If not, I will have to purchase PhotoRescue, as recommended by Daly Jessup. Thanx Otto. Oneal

9c.

Re: camera-card file-retrieval app

Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com   macdane1

Fri Dec 9, 2011 1:20 pm (PST)



On Dec 09, 2011, at 02:53 PM, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I did the download thing with respect to TestDisk. All I ended up with was a folder entitled *testdisk-6.13*. It contains 15 items, none which seems to take me any closer to retrieving my card�s deleted photos.

Can you give me some more help with this? If not, I will have to purchase PhotoRescue, as recommended by Daly Jessup. Thanx Otto. Oneal

This should be very easy. First, inside the directory you mention, double-click on "photorec" to launch Terminal running�photorec. Next, simply follow the very few instructions here:

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Step_By_Step

BTW, completely irrelevant but what email application do you use? Something seems very weird about the quoting.

Good luck!
Dane

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9d.

Re: camera-card file-retrieval app

Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com   macdane1

Fri Dec 9, 2011 1:27 pm (PST)



On Dec 09, 2011, at 02:42 PM, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com> wrote:

There is no need to reformat my Sony�s card, guys, the ability to erase is built-in. The reason that I use Disk Utility to erase my Sony is because I�m always importing, resizing and storing (in an alternate-to-iPhoto folder (in addition to iPhoto)) my pix,
so it�s just more convenient using DU for the process.
 
While there's no specific guarantee that formatting your card in-camera will prevent problems, the preponderance of evidence suggests that folks who do so regularly experience fewer issues with card/file corruption.

Having said that, I don't do it very often but I *do* do it every time I stick a card into a different camera.

It only takes a couple seconds, won't hurt anything, and *may* help over the long run. Why not?

Dane

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10.

German Court Rules Against Apple

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Dec 9, 2011 2:15 pm (PST)



A German court, today, issued an injunction against Apple, preventing the sale of iPads and iPhones within Germany. They ruled that the devices infringed upon a Motorola patent. From Computerworld.

Harry

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

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